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Men's basketball 2018-19

Posted by billhoward 
Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 30, 2018 07:52AM

Time for a new thread.

Syracuse Sat. Dec. 1, Carrier Dome "Boeheim vs. Boeheim"

Arizona shows interest in Cornell grad transfer Stone Gettings (May 16 story) [www.azdesertswarm.com]

Awaiting Cornell's list of incoming recruits. They always all sound so good. Whereas with, say, Jeff Teat, Coach says, "He'll definitely compete for playing time freshman year."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2018 10:45AM by billhoward.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 30, 2018 09:35AM

Thank you.

So, how good is the Morgan good news? Is it the difference between .500 and an outside chance at contention, or cellar dweller and an outside chance at .500?
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 30, 2018 10:38AM

Trotsky
Thank you.
So, how good is the Morgan good news? Is it the difference between .500 and an outside chance at contention, or cellar dweller and an outside chance at .500?
We're managing expectations nicely.
Woody Allen
“More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.”
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: May 30, 2018 03:06PM

Trotsky
Thank you.

So, how good is the Morgan good news? Is it the difference between .500 and an outside chance at contention, or cellar dweller and an outside chance at .500?

Without Morgan - The Red have the look of a team that is fighting to stay out of the cellar and is hard to watch for all but the most dedicated.

With Morgan - Cornell battles Brown and Columbia for 5th and hopes one of HYPP implodes the way Princeton did last year. My way too early thought is 6th.

I'll hope for the best on the recruits, but it appears the three high school seniors had one D1 offer among them. No earthly idea what to expect from the two JUCOs.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: July 16, 2018 02:14PM

Getting verballed to Arizona I see
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: July 16, 2018 04:56PM

upprdeck
Getting verballed to Arizona I see
google tells me that you are talking about stone gettings as suggested by the link bill howard shared to open the thread

 
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/16/2018 04:57PM by ugarte.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: August 21, 2018 09:16AM

The 2018-19 schedule is out.

If you are counting, it includes 3 DIII games for your viewing pleasure.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 21, 2018 12:20PM

mountainred
The 2018-19 schedule is out.

If you are counting, it includes 3 DIII games for your viewing pleasure.
I've never heard of Johnson & Wales or Longwood. Are we sure these aren't prisons?
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: marty (161.11.160.---)
Date: August 21, 2018 12:36PM

Trotsky
mountainred
The 2018-19 schedule is out.

If you are counting, it includes 3 DIII games for your viewing pleasure.
I've never heard of Johnson & Wales or Longwood. Are we sure these aren't prisons?

They don't serve this in any prison where I've eaten.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.37.26.69.virtela.net)
Date: August 21, 2018 12:49PM

UConn? Great.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 21, 2018 01:06PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
UConn? Great.
Honest question. Would the UConn women's team beat the Cornell men's team by more than 50?
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.static.metronet.is)
Date: August 21, 2018 03:55PM

marty
Trotsky
mountainred
The 2018-19 schedule is out.

If you are counting, it includes 3 DIII games for your viewing pleasure.
I've never heard of Johnson & Wales or Longwood. Are we sure these aren't prisons?

They don't serve this in any prison where I've eaten.
Interested in seeing the list of those prisons where you've eaten.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 21, 2018 08:31PM

Trotsky
Jeff Hopkins '82
UConn? Great.
Honest question. Would the UConn women's team beat the Cornell men's team by more than 50?

No, because they'd empty the bench after the first half.

On second thought...yes.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: August 21, 2018 09:18PM

Al DeFlorio
marty
Trotsky
mountainred
The 2018-19 schedule is out.

If you are counting, it includes 3 DIII games for your viewing pleasure.
I've never heard of Johnson & Wales or Longwood. Are we sure these aren't prisons?

They don't serve this in any prison where I've eaten.
Interested in seeing the list of those prisons where you've eaten.

A young acquaintance told me he was planning to become a chef which at the time I thought worse than a prison sentence. That was until he uttered "pastry chef". My bias against the executive chef profession melted with those two words because the pastry chefs have the early shift. Wake early, work your butt off and leave for home before rush hour.

Last I knew he was here. Hopefully he can control his appetite and will enjoy a great career that started with a degree from Johnson and Wales.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.static.metronet.is)
Date: August 22, 2018 04:59AM

marty
Al DeFlorio
marty
Trotsky
mountainred
The 2018-19 schedule is out.

If you are counting, it includes 3 DIII games for your viewing pleasure.
I've never heard of Johnson & Wales or Longwood. Are we sure these aren't prisons?

They don't serve this in any prison where I've eaten.
Interested in seeing the list of those prisons where you've eaten.

A young acquaintance told me he was planning to become a chef which at the time I thought worse than a prison sentence. That was until he uttered "pastry chef". My bias against the executive chef profession melted with those two words because the pastry chefs have the early shift. Wake early, work your butt off and leave for home before rush hour.

Last I knew he was here. Hopefully he can control his appetite and will enjoy a great career that started with a degree from Johnson and Wales.
We've had a few dinners in the J&W culinary school dining rooms. Very nice.

 
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2018 04:59AM by Al DeFlorio.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: October 31, 2018 08:42AM

Ithaca's a pretty good D-III team, so a 37 point win in the exhibition game is a good sign
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: October 31, 2018 09:08AM

IC isn't Williams,* but they are probably on the level of Cortland St. Cornell beat the Dragons 96-70 in last year's opener. So, yeah, good sign and certainly better than most of the alternatives.

Boeheim was the #2 scorer, as he was in the inter-squad scrimmage. He looks to be the first choice to replace Stone's scoring. JUCO Thurston McCarty had a nice stat line in the intersquad (14p, 7R, 2A), but wasn't mentioned in the story about last night.

*BTW, after a couple of so-so seasons at Williams, Kevin App has the Ephs back to a 20-win, top 10 program.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 01, 2018 05:38PM

Meanwhile Harvard signs their SECOND 4 star recruit. Chris Ledlum is ranked as the No. 105 prospect in the 247Sports Composite Rankings. This gives Harvard their second four-star prospect in the 2019 recruiting class. Harvard's class currently ranks No. 22 overall in the 247Sports Composite Rankings.

[247sports.com]
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 02, 2018 12:44PM

WSJ coverage of the Harvard (alleged) discrimination against Asians says 86% of all recruited athletes are admitted. Versus 5% of all applicants.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: November 04, 2018 11:00AM

Ken711
Meanwhile Harvard signs their SECOND 4 star recruit. Chris Ledlum is ranked as the No. 105 prospect in the 247Sports Composite Rankings. This gives Harvard their second four-star prospect in the 2019 recruiting class. Harvard's class currently ranks No. 22 overall in the 247Sports Composite Rankings.

[247sports.com]

The only good news there is Chris' coach at Harvard is still Tommy Amaker, who wastes a lot of talent. But Yale, Penn and Princeton are also nabbing big time recruits and, to put it mildly, Cornell isn't.

I'm going to focus on enjoying Matt Morgan's last year. It could be very bleak after that.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (---.dr01.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net)
Date: November 06, 2018 10:25PM

Nice road win to start the season 86-75 at Binghamton.

Morgan with a career high 38 -- he could average 25 points a game. Boeheim was the second option and looked pretty good (20p). Only newcomer to the rotation was Soph. Jake Kuhn.

Glorified scrimmage on Thursday against a bad d3 team with a good nickname (the SUNY-Canton Roos), then Colgate at home on Sunday.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: November 06, 2018 10:37PM

mountainred
Nice road win to start the season 86-75 at Binghamton.

Morgan with a career high 38 -- he could average 25 points a game. Boeheim was the second option and looked pretty good (20p). Only newcomer to the rotation was Soph. Jake Kuhn.

Glorified scrimmage on Thursday against a bad d3 team with a good nickname (the SUNY-Canton Roos), then Colgate at home on Sunday.

Morgan started slowly but blew up in the 2nd half. Boeheim has really improved and looks like he can at least partially fill the gap left by Gettings. Binghamton had some dangerous offensive players and I think this was a very nice road win against a decent D1 team.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - 86 SUNY Canton 44
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 10, 2018 12:34AM

When will this chance come our way again? Cornell 2 points short of doubling Canton, winning 86-44.

Wondering how often this kind of headline is used on the Duke basketball site?

 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - 86 SUNY Canton 44
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: November 10, 2018 12:15PM

Ridiculous headline given 2nd win vs D3 SUNY Canton. The Roos went 7-18 last yr
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/10/2018 12:18PM by CAS.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - 86 SUNY Canton 44
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 10, 2018 12:18PM

CAS
Ridiculous headline given 2nd win vs D3 SUNY Canton
"And the last time the Big Red went 2-0, they went to the Sweet Sixteen."
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - 86 SUNY Canton 44
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: November 10, 2018 12:31PM

Look forward to returning to the Sweet 16 & maybe playing Kentucky again.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - 86 SUNY Canton 44
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 10, 2018 04:24PM

CAS
Look forward to returning to the Sweet 16 & maybe playing Kentucky again.
It was closer than the score indicated, for the first 10 minutes.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - 86 SUNY Canton 44
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: November 11, 2018 02:50PM

Ugly loss to Colgate 73-57. Basically, the Big Red looked awful. They couldn't shoot (4 of 28 from behind the arc) and the Raiders got to the basket with ease (they had 54 points in the paint).

Nobody is as bad as their worst loss, but the team I watched today finishes last in the Ivy.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - 86 SUNY Canton 44
Posted by: scoop85 (204.186.80.---)
Date: November 11, 2018 02:51PM

mountainred
Ugly loss to Colgate 73-57. Basically, the Big Red looked awful. They couldn't shoot (4 of 28 from behind the arc) and the Raiders got to the basket with ease (they had 54 points in the paint).

Nobody is as bad as their worst loss, but the team I watched today finishes last in the Ivy.

Interior defense is nonexistent
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - 86 SUNY Canton 44
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: November 11, 2018 03:02PM

scoop85
mountainred
Ugly loss to Colgate 73-57. Basically, the Big Red looked awful. They couldn't shoot (4 of 28 from behind the arc) and the Raiders got to the basket with ease (they had 54 points in the paint).

Nobody is as bad as their worst loss, but the team I watched today finishes last in the Ivy.

Interior defense is nonexistent

No argument here. And if Morgan isn't scoring, the team isn't scoring. That's a bad combination.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - 86 SUNY Canton 44
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 11, 2018 04:45PM

scoop85
mountainred
Ugly loss to Colgate 73-57. Basically, the Big Red looked awful. They couldn't shoot (4 of 28 from behind the arc) and the Raiders got to the basket with ease (they had 54 points in the paint).

Nobody is as bad as their worst loss, but the team I watched today finishes last in the Ivy.

Interior defense is nonexistent

Cornell needs to bring in size at center, whether it's a JUCO transfer or recruited freshman.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: November 15, 2018 07:48PM

Delaware leads at the half 35-23. Adding insult to injury, Nobal Days, a 3-star big guy who had Cornell in his final 3 along with Wisconsin and Tulane, announced today he’s going to Tulane. We seem to be falling further behind in the recruiting race against the other Ivies, and with Morgan gone after this year we may be looking at even leaner times.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (---.dsl1.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net)
Date: November 15, 2018 08:40PM

scoop85
Delaware leads at the half 35-23. Adding insult to injury, Nobal Days, a 3-star big guy who had Cornell in his final 3 along with Wisconsin and Tulane, announced today he’s going to Tulane. We seem to be falling further behind in the recruiting race against the other Ivies, and with Morgan gone after this year we may be looking at even leaner times.

The second half wasn't any better. Cornell closed on a 16-6 run and still lost by 17. Other than Matt and Jimmy Boeheim, no one can shoot.

Some of these guys are better players than they've looked the last two games. But right now, Stone looks like he made the right call.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: November 15, 2018 08:49PM

mountainred
scoop85
Delaware leads at the half 35-23. Adding insult to injury, Nobal Days, a 3-star big guy who had Cornell in his final 3 along with Wisconsin and Tulane, announced today he’s going to Tulane. We seem to be falling further behind in the recruiting race against the other Ivies, and with Morgan gone after this year we may be looking at even leaner times.

The second half wasn't any better. Cornell closed on a 16-6 run and still lost by 17. Other than Matt and Jimmy Boeheim, no one can shoot.

Some of these guys are better players than they've looked the last two games. But right now, Stone looks like he made the right call.

And the fact that neither of the JUCO guys we brought in this year are in the rotation implies neither of them will be real contributors to the program, since you would expect JUCO transfers to have more of an immediate impact than freshmen. I thought Earl would be able to bring in better talent to Ithaca, but so far Boeheim looks like the best guy he’s recruited.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (---.dsl1.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net)
Date: November 15, 2018 09:19PM

scoop85
mountainred
scoop85
Delaware leads at the half 35-23. Adding insult to injury, Nobal Days, a 3-star big guy who had Cornell in his final 3 along with Wisconsin and Tulane, announced today he’s going to Tulane. We seem to be falling further behind in the recruiting race against the other Ivies, and with Morgan gone after this year we may be looking at even leaner times.

The second half wasn't any better. Cornell closed on a 16-6 run and still lost by 17. Other than Matt and Jimmy Boeheim, no one can shoot.

Some of these guys are better players than they've looked the last two games. But right now, Stone looks like he made the right call.

And the fact that neither of the JUCO guys we brought in this year are in the rotation implies neither of them will be real contributors to the program, since you would expect JUCO transfers to have more of an immediate impact than freshmen. I thought Earl would be able to bring in better talent to Ithaca, but so far Boeheim looks like the best guy he’s recruited.

Mack is beginning to sneak into the rotation, he got 7 minutes tonight, but he hasn't done much in those minutes. Compare that to Julian who started out of the gate last year and made an immediate impact.

I still think McBride can play, I thought he was easily the best freshman last year, but he may be even more passive on offense this year (and his shooting slump isn't helping). Boeheim has improved his game this off-season, but I'm not sure his ceiling is much more than solid starter. You need those, but that better not be your best player. Kuhn is also improved and could be a decent rotation guy, but he's still a work in process. That's too many "buts" for the best recruits over the last three years.

The last two games were supposed to be toss-up, go down to the last possession match ups. Neither was close. Long season and all that, but this looks grim.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: rss77 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: November 15, 2018 10:35PM

Looking at the lineup out there at times outside of Boeheim or Morgan who else can put points up? Prognosis even in league play looks pretty grim.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: November 15, 2018 10:57PM

rss77
Looking at the lineup out there at times outside of Boeheim or Morgan who else can put points up? Prognosis even in league play looks pretty grim.

Gordon had some nice games last year, but he’s been off this year. Also I thought Whiteside and Davis could contribute more this year, so hopefully that will come.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: November 16, 2018 09:26AM

scoop85
rss77
Looking at the lineup out there at times outside of Boeheim or Morgan who else can put points up? Prognosis even in league play looks pretty grim.

Gordon had some nice games last year, but he’s been off this year. Also I thought Whiteside and Davis could contribute more this year, so hopefully that will come.

McBride, Whiteside, Gordon and Kuhn are 2 for 32 from behind the arc so far this season. They aren't that bad. Julian is shooting 21% from the field. He shot about 50% last year. Those numbers should improve, which will help the offense overall.

Chaz Mack was a 20p-10r player at his JUCO, so cross your fingers that it clicks for him this season. Half of that production would be really helpful.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (---.dr01.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net)
Date: November 17, 2018 08:18PM

I only caught the second half, but Cornell finds its offense and beats NJIT 86-73. Everyone who played shot at least 50%. Morgan had 35, Boeheim 15 and Gordon 10. Julian grabbed 8 rebounds and hit his shots.

Next up is UConn, who beat Syracuse, but is probably smarting after getting handled by Iowa. Even a great game will probably not be enough.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: November 20, 2018 08:01PM

Big Red trails UCONN 49-33 at the half. We wouldn’t beat them in any event, but the officiating is a joke. We get called for breathing on their guys, while they maul us and nothing is called.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - UConn
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 20, 2018 08:43PM

What are the odds the streak continues? Is this like the Polish cavalry charging German tanks in 1939? In text, Cornell puts the streak in perspective: "Cornell's modest three-game road streak is the longest since 2012-13." Good luck, Cornell.

[edit add:] Final 91-74, 2 points shy of losing by an almost-reasonable 25. The line was Cornell + 15 (to make the score even).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/20/2018 09:39PM by billhoward.

 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 20, 2018 09:47PM

Final: UConn 91 Cornell 74
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - UConn
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: November 21, 2018 07:53AM

billhoward
What are the odds the streak continues? Is this like the Polish cavalry charging German tanks in 1939? In text, Cornell puts the streak in perspective: "Cornell's modest three-game road streak is the longest since 2012-13." Good luck, Cornell.

[edit add:] Final 91-74, 2 points shy of losing by an almost-reasonable 25. The line was Cornell + 15 (to make the score even).

17 points is 2 points shy of losing by an almost-reasonable 25?

We literally forgot to watch the game last night, but when we checked the final score we were actually impressed by the respectable result. The second half was 43-41 UConn, which is really kind of amazing, unless they had all their scrubs in.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - UConn
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: November 21, 2018 09:15AM

Beeeej
billhoward
What are the odds the streak continues? Is this like the Polish cavalry charging German tanks in 1939? In text, Cornell puts the streak in perspective: "Cornell's modest three-game road streak is the longest since 2012-13." Good luck, Cornell.

[edit add:] Final 91-74, 2 points shy of losing by an almost-reasonable 25. The line was Cornell + 15 (to make the score even).

17 points is 2 points shy of losing by an almost-reasonable 25?

We literally forgot to watch the game last night, but when we checked the final score we were actually impressed by the respectable result. The second half was 43-41 UConn, which is really kind of amazing, unless they had all their scrubs in.
The first time I checked it was 23-20 Cornell, and I tried to watch the game but found out it was blacked out in NYC. The next time I checked it was 48-33 UConn and I stopped checking.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - UConn
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: November 21, 2018 09:36AM

ugarte
Beeeej
billhoward
What are the odds the streak continues? Is this like the Polish cavalry charging German tanks in 1939? In text, Cornell puts the streak in perspective: "Cornell's modest three-game road streak is the longest since 2012-13." Good luck, Cornell.

[edit add:] Final 91-74, 2 points shy of losing by an almost-reasonable 25. The line was Cornell + 15 (to make the score even).

17 points is 2 points shy of losing by an almost-reasonable 25?

We literally forgot to watch the game last night, but when we checked the final score we were actually impressed by the respectable result. The second half was 43-41 UConn, which is really kind of amazing, unless they had all their scrubs in.
The first time I checked it was 23-20 Cornell, and I tried to watch the game but found out it was blacked out in NYC. The next time I checked it was 48-33 UConn and I stopped checking.

Honestly, there wasn't much to see. It was close for a while thanks to some hot shooting, then UConn hit the jets and opened up a 20 point lead. The Huskies played with a decided lack of urgency after that, playing just hard enough to keep it around 20. If not for Morgan, this would have been truly ugly.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - UConn
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: November 21, 2018 11:53AM

game was on SNY and blacked out on ESPN+
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - UConn
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: November 21, 2018 12:16PM

upprdeck
game was on SNY and blacked out on ESPN+
I watched a few minutes early in the game on ESPN3.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - UConn
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: November 21, 2018 04:25PM

Al DeFlorio
upprdeck
game was on SNY and blacked out on ESPN+
I watched a few minutes early in the game on ESPN3.
he meant blacked out in the NY region

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19 - UConn
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: November 21, 2018 05:25PM

ugarte
Al DeFlorio
upprdeck
game was on SNY and blacked out on ESPN+
I watched a few minutes early in the game on ESPN3.
he meant blacked out in the NY region
The game wasn't on ESPN+ anywhere. It was on ESPN3. That may have been blacked out in the NY region because SNY had the local rights.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (50.110.16.---)
Date: November 28, 2018 09:18PM

Ugly win, but at least a win, over Lafayette 63-58 on the road in overtime. Josh Warren was huge -- 17 points and 7 rebounds. Very scary moment in the second half when Morgan landed wrong and looked to be in a lot of pain, but he came back into the game.

The LC announcers kept praising Cornell's defense, which was fine, but really Lafayette is just not very good.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: rss77 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 01, 2018 10:45AM

Today is the annual trouncing. For all the kvetching on this board when Cornell played Delaware in football (Princeton. Dartmouth, and Colgate were all better than Delaware) this is a game I do not forward to. With an undersized team that I do not Project to make Ivy playoffs (maybe 6th place) it will be ugly in the Done.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: December 01, 2018 09:31PM

Meanwhile on the ESPN that is working, CU keeping it close. 47-45 orange with 8:45 to go. Morgan has 21.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: December 01, 2018 11:04PM

jeff '84
Meanwhile on the ESPN that is working, CU keeping it close. 47-45 orange with 8:45 to go. Morgan has 21.
Cornell got the lead at 48-47 and again at 50-49 but after that Syracuse locked down and won 63-55.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: rss77 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 02, 2018 10:16AM

Guess I should watch I say-good showing for the Red. Morgan is a special athlete. Must say that Yale looks really good-beatinghe "U" down in Miami.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: December 02, 2018 10:39AM

rss77
Guess I should watch I say-good showing for the Red. Morgan is a special athlete. Must say that Yale looks really good-beatinghe "U" down in Miami.

Hey, the last three times the guys stayed within 20 of Syracuse, they won the league. I wasn't in the mood to watch a 20 point drubbing and passed on watching. Looks like I chose poorly.

Yale also has a 17 point thrashing of Cal on their resume. The Bears aren't particularly good this year, but that's still a drubbing of a Pac-12 team.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Roy 82 (128.18.14.---)
Date: December 03, 2018 02:40PM

ugarte
jeff '84
Meanwhile on the ESPN that is working, CU keeping it close. 47-45 orange with 8:45 to go. Morgan has 21.
Cornell got the lead at 48-47 and again at 50-49 but after that Syracuse locked down and won 63-55.

Not so much Syracuse locking down as Cornell getting cold on their 3-pointers. Several of the late Syracuse points came on fouls to stop the clock. A couple of more 3's and it would have been really close.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-203-5.myvzw.com)
Date: December 11, 2018 10:00PM

Penn 78, Villanova 75. This is going to be a long year for the Big Red.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: December 12, 2018 07:20AM

ugarte
Penn 78, Villanova 75. This is going to be a long year for the Big Red.

We’re not a bad team by general Ivy standards, but Penn, Yale, and Harvard (when healthy) are quite strong this year. The rest of the teams, including Cornell, will likely jostle for the 4th spot in the Ivy tournament. I’m thinking another 6-8 league record is about where we’ll finish. A shame too, because had Gettings stuck around, we’d be more of a factor.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: December 12, 2018 07:25AM

scoop85
A shame too, because had Gettings stuck around, we’d be more of a factor.

Seems as if Donahue had stuck around, we'd be more of a factor…
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 12, 2018 08:09AM

Scersk '97
scoop85
A shame too, because had Gettings stuck around, we’d be more of a factor.

Seems as if Donahue had stuck around, we'd be more of a factor…
Only if he got lucky and had another confluence of Dale, Foote, and Wittman appearing on campus together.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: December 12, 2018 09:12AM

Al DeFlorio
Scersk '97
scoop85
A shame too, because had Gettings stuck around, we’d be more of a factor.

Seems as if Donahue had stuck around, we'd be more of a factor…
Only if he got lucky and had another confluence of Dale, Foote, and Wittman appearing on campus together.

Not necessarily. At Penn he's winning with Brodeur, Woods, and Wang. Penn is currently 9-2, with the losses coming to Kansas State and Oregon State.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: December 12, 2018 11:02AM

scoop85
ugarte
Penn 78, Villanova 75. This is going to be a long year for the Big Red.

We’re not a bad team by general Ivy standards, but Penn, Yale, and Harvard (when healthy) are quite strong this year. The rest of the teams, including Cornell, will likely jostle for the 4th spot in the Ivy tournament. I’m thinking another 6-8 league record is about where we’ll finish. A shame too, because had Gettings stuck around, we’d be more of a factor.

This isn't a bad Ivy team, more middle of the road, but it's a good year for the league. Penn, Yale and Harvard are top 100 teams and there aren't any truly awful teams (Columbia looked pretty bad to start the season have looked better as of late). 6-8 in the league is possible, but will be tough.

Gettings would have helped, obviously, but he probably wouldn't have been enough to close the gap to H,Y, and Penn.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: December 12, 2018 11:43AM

Donahue would have had he not been married
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: December 12, 2018 12:22PM

upprdeck
Donahue would have had he not been married
I'm not sure what this is responding to but ... you think if he were single he wouldn't have taken the BC job? That's crazy talk.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 12, 2018 03:27PM

Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Scersk '97
scoop85
A shame too, because had Gettings stuck around, we’d be more of a factor.

Seems as if Donahue had stuck around, we'd be more of a factor…
Only if he got lucky and had another confluence of Dale, Foote, and Wittman appearing on campus together.

Not necessarily. At Penn he's winning with Brodeur, Woods, and Wang. Penn is currently 9-2, with the losses coming to Kansas State and Oregon State.
Yes, I know all that.

But his record at Cornell wasn't much until Dale, Foote, and Wittman appeared serendipitously on campus together. Whether he would have reverted to his mediocre recruiting form after those years we'll never know, but in my opinion it was likely. I didn't mourn his departure then and don't blame him for giving it a shot, but wasn't at all surprised when he failed at BC.

Penn basketball, I hope you realize, has a rather different history from Cornell's, and Penn is located in a city where basketball has been a big-time item for decades, and the Palestra is, well, the Palestra. Cornell and Ithaca and Alberding/Newman, not so much.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: December 12, 2018 05:50PM

Al DeFlorio
Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Scersk '97
scoop85
A shame too, because had Gettings stuck around, we’d be more of a factor.

Seems as if Donahue had stuck around, we'd be more of a factor…
Only if he got lucky and had another confluence of Dale, Foote, and Wittman appearing on campus together.

Not necessarily. At Penn he's winning with Brodeur, Woods, and Wang. Penn is currently 9-2, with the losses coming to Kansas State and Oregon State.
Yes, I know all that.

But his record at Cornell wasn't much until Dale, Foote, and Wittman appeared serendipitously on campus together. Whether he would have reverted to his mediocre recruiting form after those years we'll never know, but in my opinion it was likely. I didn't mourn his departure then and don't blame him for giving it a shot, but wasn't at all surprised when he failed at BC.

Penn basketball, I hope you realize, has a rather different history from Cornell's, and Penn is located in a city where basketball has been a big-time item for decades, and the Palestra is, well, the Palestra. Cornell and Ithaca and Alberding/Newman, not so much.

{Emphasis added to the quote}

Al, you may be forgetting that after two awful years, Steve's teams consistently improved and finished 2nd and 3rd in the league before any of the class of 2010 set foot on campus (Cornell had finished 3rd only twice between 1988 and 2004); that he recruited three Ivy Rookies of the Year that weren't part of the 2010 class (Collins, Gore and 'ski) and 9 players, other than Wittman, Dale and Foote, who were named to all-Ivy teams (totaling 3 first-team selections, 6 second-team, and 4 honorable mention). In the years since, Cornell has only recruited 4 all-Ivy players, and two bailed on the school before graduating. And while Penn certainly has significant basketball advantages over Cornell, the two prior Quaker coaches proved that you can't just show up and hope to win there.

The "Steve just got lucky" story was a favorite of Penn and Princeton fans because it allowed them to discount the Big Red titles as flukes -- Cornell wasn't a real champion like their teams were. Of course, Penn fans don't raise that as much anymore. No question there was luck involved in assembling the 2010 team, but it ignores how well Steve made the pieces work together.

Steve may not be a Ned Harkness of basketball, but he's a good coach. He's, at worst, the second best Cornell coach of all-time after Sam MacNeil (unless you really want to lobby for the work Albert Sharpe did a century ago). Who knows if Cornell would have won another Ivy title after 2010, maybe not, but the team would have been more relevant.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: December 12, 2018 08:05PM

Al DeFlorio
Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Scersk '97
scoop85
A shame too, because had Gettings stuck around, we’d be more of a factor.

Seems as if Donahue had stuck around, we'd be more of a factor…
Only if he got lucky and had another confluence of Dale, Foote, and Wittman appearing on campus together.

Not necessarily. At Penn he's winning with Brodeur, Woods, and Wang. Penn is currently 9-2, with the losses coming to Kansas State and Oregon State.
Yes, I know all that.

But his record at Cornell wasn't much until Dale, Foote, and Wittman appeared serendipitously on campus together. Whether he would have reverted to his mediocre recruiting form after those years we'll never know, but in my opinion it was likely. I didn't mourn his departure then and don't blame him for giving it a shot, but wasn't at all surprised when he failed at BC.

Penn basketball, I hope you realize, has a rather different history from Cornell's, and Penn is located in a city where basketball has been a big-time item for decades, and the Palestra is, well, the Palestra. Cornell and Ithaca and Alberding/Newman, not so much.

Yes, around 1970 I dated someone with family in Philly, and most of them had some association with Penn. At some function at one of her Philly relatives, an uncle said something like, "Cornell's basketball team isn't doing too well this year." And I responded, "Yeah, but the hockey team is doing great." Seeing the blank stares, I suddenly remembered I was in Philly, where they were fanatics for a different religion.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: December 13, 2018 07:18AM

Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Scersk '97
scoop85
A shame too, because had Gettings stuck around, we’d be more of a factor.

Seems as if Donahue had stuck around, we'd be more of a factor…
Only if he got lucky and had another confluence of Dale, Foote, and Wittman appearing on campus together.

Not necessarily. At Penn he's winning with Brodeur, Woods, and Wang. Penn is currently 9-2, with the losses coming to Kansas State and Oregon State.
Yes, I know all that.

But his record at Cornell wasn't much until Dale, Foote, and Wittman appeared serendipitously on campus together. Whether he would have reverted to his mediocre recruiting form after those years we'll never know, but in my opinion it was likely. I didn't mourn his departure then and don't blame him for giving it a shot, but wasn't at all surprised when he failed at BC.

Penn basketball, I hope you realize, has a rather different history from Cornell's, and Penn is located in a city where basketball has been a big-time item for decades, and the Palestra is, well, the Palestra. Cornell and Ithaca and Alberding/Newman, not so much.

Yes, around 1970 I dated someone with family in Philly, and most of them had some association with Penn. At some function at one of her Philly relatives, an uncle said something like, "Cornell's basketball team isn't doing too well this year." And I responded, "Yeah, but the hockey team is doing great." Seeing the blank stares, I suddenly remembered I was in Philly, where they were fanatics for a different religion.

It went so far that Penn dropped hockey as a sport.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: December 13, 2018 07:35AM

Donahue is an excellent coach. Look how Cornell has fared after his departure. Bill Courtney went 60-113 during his 6 unsuccessful years. Brian Earl is 24-41 so far.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: December 13, 2018 09:44AM

CAS
Donahue is an excellent coach. Look how Cornell has fared after his departure. Bill Courtney went 60-113 during his 6 unsuccessful years. Brian Earl is 24-41 so far.

Absolutely. Even with the team he had, you don't get the likes of Dick Vitale saying, "Cornell put on a clinic against Wisconsin" without excellent coaching.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: December 13, 2018 10:26AM

Swampy
CAS
Donahue is an excellent coach. Look how Cornell has fared after his departure. Bill Courtney went 60-113 during his 6 unsuccessful years. Brian Earl is 24-41 so far.

Absolutely. Even with the team he had, you don't get the likes of Dick Vitale saying, "Cornell put on a clinic against Wisconsin" without excellent coaching.

His coaching and his philosophy of how the team members should treat each other was also apparently a big factor behind Foote's decision to transfer from St. Bonaventure. Foote's mom was a nurse at the hospital where Khaliq Gant was being treated after his spinal cord injury, and she was reportedly blown away by how much time and effort Donahue and the players spent making sure Gant knew he was still part of the team. It was terrible what happened to Gant, but without that, Foote probably keeps riding the bench for the Bonnies.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Chuck Henderson (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 13, 2018 02:31PM

mountainred
Steve may not be a Ned Harkness of basketball, but he's a good coach. He's, at worst, the second best Cornell coach of all-time after Sam MacNeil (unless you really want to lobby for the work Albert Sharpe did a century ago).

MacNeil by the record may look pretty good, but I and everyone I knew thought he was a bad coach in terms of game-time decisions. If one has him as a contender, his predecessor, Royner Greene, needs to be as well, until he kind of lost it later in his tenure (separate the 46-47 through 53-54 seasons from then through 58-59). We were all calling for his dismissal in those later years. (I saw every home game he coached from the 48-49 season on.) I would put Donahue first, but it's hard to compare eras, with recruiting, for example, being very different.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: December 13, 2018 02:38PM

ugarte
upprdeck
Donahue would have had he not been married
I'm not sure what this is responding to but ... you think if he were single he wouldn't have taken the BC job? That's crazy talk.

yup
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: December 13, 2018 03:12PM

upprdeck
ugarte
upprdeck
Donahue would have had he not been married
I'm not sure what this is responding to but ... you think if he were single he wouldn't have taken the BC job? That's crazy talk.

yup
I'm going to remain skeptical.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: December 13, 2018 06:31PM

Chuck Henderson
mountainred
Steve may not be a Ned Harkness of basketball, but he's a good coach. He's, at worst, the second best Cornell coach of all-time after Sam MacNeil (unless you really want to lobby for the work Albert Sharpe did a century ago).

MacNeil by the record may look pretty good, but I and everyone I knew thought he was a bad coach in terms of game-time decisions. If one has him as a contender, his predecessor, Royner Greene, needs to be as well, until he kind of lost it later in his tenure (separate the 46-47 through 53-54 seasons from then through 58-59). We were all calling for his dismissal in those later years. (I saw every home game he coached from the 48-49 season on.) I would put Donahue first, but it's hard to compare eras, with recruiting, for example, being very different.

Thanks for the insight Chuck. Sam was before my time (Class of '88) so I just know the record (.637 overall, 8 top 4 Ivy finishes in 9 seasons, a couple of the most storied wins in school history). He was doing something right, so I didn't want to dismiss him, but I have to defer to you on his game-time decision-making.
Royner Greene is interesting. He had 2-3 really good seasons, a bunch of solid ones, but, like you said, really tailed off at the end. Both Sam and Royner were dealing with a league where the best team could be ranked in the top 10 and SD certainly never had to worry about that. And no question the game now is very different.
All that said, Steve's record stacks up with anyone who has coached here and he's certainly the best of the last half century.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 13, 2018 07:01PM

Swampy
CAS
Donahue is an excellent coach. Look how Cornell has fared after his departure. Bill Courtney went 60-113 during his 6 unsuccessful years. Brian Earl is 24-41 so far.

Absolutely. Even with the team he had, you don't get the likes of Dick Vitale saying, "Cornell put on a clinic against Wisconsin" without excellent coaching.
His record until the three bluebirds flew through his window was mediocre at best. Saying he was better than Courtney isn't saying much. Thinking we'd be where Penn is now under Donahue is fanciful. Cornell was 47 games below .500 overall and 22 below .500 in the league under Donahue before the fab three arrived. They made him look good and got him the BC job.

Yes, Donahue was a good guy. From all I could see Courtney was, too. And Archer.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: December 13, 2018 10:09PM

Guess the players Coach K has recruited has made him look good too. And how many games did the Fab 3 play in the NBA?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2018 10:18PM by CAS.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 14, 2018 06:39AM

CAS
Guess the players Coach K has recruited has made him look good too. And how many games did the Fab 3 play in the NBA?
Irrelevant. Sorry to say.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: December 14, 2018 08:11AM

Yup, Donahue was just lucky. 3 straight Ivy titles, including the Sweet 16, had nothing to do with coaching. Not responsible for attracting the players who played for him. The Fab 3 were all NBA lottery picks. Turning around Penn was pure luck again. Expect Brian Earl will be similarly lucky, & take us to the Elite 8 soon.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/14/2018 08:12AM by CAS.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: December 14, 2018 10:25AM

Al DeFlorio
Swampy
CAS
Donahue is an excellent coach. Look how Cornell has fared after his departure. Bill Courtney went 60-113 during his 6 unsuccessful years. Brian Earl is 24-41 so far.

Absolutely. Even with the team he had, you don't get the likes of Dick Vitale saying, "Cornell put on a clinic against Wisconsin" without excellent coaching.
His record until the three bluebirds flew through his window was mediocre at best. Saying he was better than Courtney isn't saying much. Thinking we'd be where Penn is now under Donahue is fanciful. Cornell was 47 games below .500 overall and 22 below .500 in the league under Donahue before the fab three arrived. They made him look good and got him the BC job.

Yes, Donahue was a good guy. From all I could see Courtney was, too. And Archer.

I realize this is an inconvenient fact for your narrative, but, as I said before, Steve's teams finished 2nd and 3rd in the league before any of the class of 2010 set foot on campus.

I would love that level of mediocrity.
 
Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.sub-174-192-5.myvzw.com)
Date: December 14, 2018 04:10PM

CAS
Yup, Donahue was just lucky. 3 straight Ivy titles, including the Sweet 16, had nothing to do with coaching. Not responsible for attracting the players who played for him. The Fab 3 were all NBA lottery picks. Turning around Penn was pure luck again. Expect Brian Earl will be similarly lucky, & take us to the Elite 8 soon.
No point in responding as so far, given what you've written above you've made no effort to understand what I write.

 
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Re: Men's basketball 2018-19
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: December 14, 2018 08:15PM

Donahue’s family has remained in the Boston area while Donahue takes over the reins at Penn. Second-oldest son, Matthew, is a senior in high school and they didn’t want to take him out of school.

Part of the reason BC and was so attractive to Donahue was the school systems in the Boston area. Matthew has the development disorder Asperger’s syndrome, and the Donahues believed he’d have advanced support available in the Boston area.
 

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