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Cornell lacrosse 2019

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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: June 22, 2018 10:00PM

BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Sorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship. In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25. In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.

Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh? I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.
Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.
You pissed and moaned about how Yale's championship was going to give them a great recruiting boost. Hasn't happened. 'Fess up.

Not talking about some unknown-to-anyone future "direction." Talking about where they are now...five years after their championship. Sub .500. Head-to-head 5-2-3 for Cornell since that championship.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: June 23, 2018 12:15PM

Al DeFlorio
BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Sorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship. In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25. In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.

Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh? I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.
Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.
You pissed and moaned about how Yale's championship was going to give them a great recruiting boost. Hasn't happened. 'Fess up.

Not talking about some unknown-to-anyone future "direction." Talking about where they are now...five years after their championship. Sub .500. Head-to-head 5-2-3 for Cornell since that championship.
My argument was limited to the five years following the national championship (two of which Yale made the NCAAs and two of which Cornell did)? That's news to me. You chose an arbitrary cutting off point that comes after two very successful years for Cornell. Cut off the "analysis" at 2015, or 2016, and we have the total opposite result. Yale has a great recruiting class this year. We don't know how things are going to develop.

There are far too many confounding variables to argue causality one way or the other. As I said earlier in literally this same thread:
BearLover
It's usually hard to prove a rival's success hurt us in recruiting
We usually don't know what teams a recruit is deciding between, what the recruit is looking for, etc. In this case, though, we have a relatively simple test-case: the top transfer in the country choosing between Cornell and a Yale team that just won the national championship. If this happened in, say, 2010, and Cornell were the clear best Ivy in lacrosse, would he have chosen Cornell instead? Princeton then was the closest parallel to Yale now: an HYP school with recent lax success. The difference, though, was that Cornell had more recent success than Princeton. So would the result have been different? Maybe, maybe not. But on average, holding everything else equal, Irelan would have been more likely to choose Cornell under those 2010 circumstances than under these current ones. (Or he could have chosen Syracuse or some non-Ivy instead. We don't know, but again, we are talking about likelihood, not absolutes.) If Yale had exited in the first round this year, I think there's a very good chance we'd be starting next season with the best FOGO guy in the country.

It's also worth noting the impact on recruiting was a relatively minor point in the overall argument I was making. If you look at Cornell's success relative to the strength of the rest of the ECAC, results from last six years support the conclusion that Cornell has more success when the ECAC is weaker, or at minimum a weak ECAC doesn't hurt Cornell enough nationally to cancel out the advantage of having a higher chance at an automatic bid (missing the tournament four years straight when the ECAC was strong, and making it the past two years when the ECAC was down).
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: margolism (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: June 23, 2018 12:32PM

Prior to the start of last (hockey) season, what was the word on our incoming class? I think we had two NHL picks, and one of them (Cairns) didn’t enter the lineup as a starter for the most part.

How a recruiting class looks on paper doesn’t indicate how well they will gel with the other classes and / or their fellow classmates. I believe there was a period when Harvard supposedly had amazing recruiting classes for a few consecutive years, yet was among the bottom dwellers in the ECAC.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: June 23, 2018 12:46PM

margolism
Prior to the start of last (hockey) season, what was the word on our incoming class? I think we had two NHL picks, and one of them (Cairns) didn’t enter the lineup as a starter for the most part.

How a recruiting class looks on paper doesn’t indicate how well they will gel with the other classes and / or their fellow classmates. I believe there was a period when Harvard supposedly had amazing recruiting classes for a few consecutive years, yet was among the bottom dwellers in the ECAC.
It's definitely not a 1:1 correlation but there's definitely a correlation. BU/Mich/NoDak/etc wouldn't be perennial powers if that weren't the case. On paper Cairns was the highlight of our recruiting class last year, but we also had a number of players who had put up great numbers in juniors. At least one was on an NHL draft watch-list (Betts, I believe) and Barron was drafted. This year we have a couple of forwards who put up good numbers coming, though none of whom were on any draft watch-lists. Yale was able to snag several of the top scorers in the USHL, IIRC.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: June 23, 2018 01:34PM

Alex Green was just selected in the 4th round
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 23, 2018 04:06PM

CAS
Alex Green was just selected in the 4th round
In lacrosse?

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-220-21.myvzw.com)
Date: June 23, 2018 09:16PM

ugarte
CAS
Alex Green was just selected in the 4th round
In lacrosse?

Thread appropriation.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.sub-174-200-15.myvzw.com)
Date: June 24, 2018 11:16PM

Swampy
Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 25, 2018 09:18AM

billhoward
Swampy
Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.

I guess they're the ones who choose Cornell over Yale. Good! Maybe in 10-15 years one of them will donate a portion of their obscene profits to build an indoor lacrosse practice facility.demented
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: June 25, 2018 10:16AM

billhoward
Swampy
Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.
Ever since we shit on the liberal arts that's essentially every major offered at Cornell now.

Because, you know, "preparation for life." wank
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 27, 2018 08:08AM

Follow the Bill Gates model: Build up personal wealth in your 20s and 30s, then do good works in your 40s and beyond. Including a computing center for Cornell.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 27, 2018 08:36AM

billhoward
Follow the Bill Gates model: Build up personal wealth in your 20s and 30s, then do good works in your 40s and beyond. Including a computing center for Cornell.

Are you saying there are still opportunities for in-garage businesses to buy licenses to shit software and relicense the software to clueless multinationals?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.sub-174-200-15.myvzw.com)
Date: June 27, 2018 12:54PM

Swampy
billhoward
Follow the Bill Gates model: Build up personal wealth in your 20s and 30s, then do good works in your 40s and beyond. Including a computing center for Cornell.
Are you saying there are still opportunities for in-garage businesses to buy licenses to shit software and relicense the software to clueless multinationals?
Absolutely not what I'm saying. You're putting words in my mouth. The correct words to put in my mouth are: "Selling the software licenses for the apps whose characteristics you describe, that has become a task better handled by larger companies historically suited to this kind of enterprise. Screwing companies with today's software is no longer a game for kids and garage shops. The should stick to making surfboards."
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.163.128.131.dhcp.uri.edu)
Date: June 28, 2018 12:18PM

billhoward
Swampy
Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.

Sounds like excellent preparation for becoming Commissioner of the NHL.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: July 14, 2018 12:26PM

Watching Canada crush Scotland in the Worlds. Teat with 1G-4A in the first half for Team Canada. Brennan Donville in goal for Canada in the second half.

Teat now with 1G-6A after 3Q.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: djk26 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: July 14, 2018 09:07PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Watching Canada crush Scotland in the Worlds. Teat with 1G-4A in the first half for Team Canada. Brennan Donville in goal for Canada in the second half.

Teat now with 1G-6A after 3Q.

Go Jeff! Soooo...how is Canada countering SOT? ;-)

I kid...I know that just about any winning team in the NCAA could likely beat the Scottish national team.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - recruits announced
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: July 16, 2018 11:32AM

Again, the incoming lacrosse Class of '22, as described by Coach, sounds really good without too many specifics.

Coach Peter Millman
"I think this class is going to bring depth and competition at every spot on the field. There are several players who have the ability to impact us right away, but for the first time in a few years, we have very few openings in the lineup right now. There is a battle at every position all of these newcomers are going to have to fight very hard if they want a chance to get on the field this year. This is a defensively heavy class but overall it's a strong group that we are very excited about.

Men's Lacrosse Welcomes 13 Newcomers for 2019
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 03:02AM

From Christian Swezey, Inside Lacrosse. This was done back in June when it was uncertain where Albany's FOGO would go. Yale, Cornell and Princeton are Ivies in the top 20. (I don't believe this was posted before)

[www.insidelacrosse.com] < slideshow
[www.insidelacrosse.com] <-- starts with last slide, #1 Yale, just click the left arrow to count backwards

1. Yale
2. Virgina
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Hopkins
6. Cornell
7. Loyola
8. Marquette
9. Notre Dame
10 Syracuse
11 Lehigh
12 Albany
13 Denver
14 UMass
15 Princton
16 UNC
17 Penn State
18 Rutgers
19 Robbie Morris
20 Villanova

Christian Swezey
[Cornell] 13-5, lost in NCAA quarterfinals The Big Red led the nation in shooting percentage (38%) and bring back nine of the top 10 scorers, including junior Jeff Teat (37G,62A) and senior Clarke Petterson (44G). Back on defense is senior Fleet Wallace and a goalie who went 5-0 in his starts. There also is a rumor of a record-breaking face-off specialist [TD Ierlan] possibly being added to the mix as a transfer. The Big Red are a dark horse to win the national title in 2019, if all breaks right. The only shadow is the loss to Maryland in the quarterfinals last year; in that game the Big Red looked undercooked, gimmicky and completely out of their depth.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - new Colgate coach Matt Karweck (not what you think)
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 03:12AM

[gocolgateraiders.com]
Colgate PR
"HAMILTON – Matt Karweck, an eight-year assistant coach in the Division I ranks, including the last six seasons at Notre Dame, is the new Colgate men's lacrosse head coach."

Not the same as our Matt Kerwick. Who is director of lax at IMG Academy.
[www.collegecrosse.com]

Ben DeLuca '91, whose fall 2013 firing led to Kerwick being elevated to Cornell head coach, and whose (Kerwick) departure led to Peter Millman taking over, is (DeLuca) in his second year at Delaware.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 11:38AM

billhoward
From Christian Swezey, Inside Lacrosse. This was done back in June when it was uncertain where Albany's FOGO would go. Yale, Cornell and Princeton are Ivies in the top 20. (I don't believe this was posted before)

[www.insidelacrosse.com] < slideshow
[www.insidelacrosse.com] <-- starts with last slide, #1 Yale, just click the left arrow to count backwards

1. Yale
2. Virgina
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Hopkins
6. Cornell
7. Loyola
8. Marquette
9. Notre Dame
10 Syracuse
11 Lehigh
12 Albany
13 Denver
14 UMass
15 Princton
16 UNC
17 Penn State
18 Rutgers
19 Robbie Morris
20 Villanova

Christian Swezey
[Cornell] 13-5, lost in NCAA quarterfinals The Big Red led the nation in shooting percentage (38%) and bring back nine of the top 10 scorers, including junior Jeff Teat (37G,62A) and senior Clarke Petterson (44G). Back on defense is senior Fleet Wallace and a goalie who went 5-0 in his starts. There also is a rumor of a record-breaking face-off specialist [TD Ierlan] possibly being added to the mix as a transfer. The Big Red are a dark horse to win the national title in 2019, if all breaks right. The only shadow is the loss to Maryland in the quarterfinals last year; in that game the Big Red looked undercooked, gimmicky and completely out of their depth.

Interesting that Yale, which lost 6 MLL draft picks, is still picked to be #1. And this was before the Ierlan transfer was announced! cry
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: underskill (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 11:48AM

as a very casual lacrosse fan (i.e. when Cornell is in the tournament) - how did Yale get so good recently? I remember people kept thinking Harvard would make a jump, but Yale seemed to come out of nowhere.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 02:40PM

underskill
as a very casual lacrosse fan (i.e. when Cornell is in the tournament) - how did Yale get so good recently? I remember people kept thinking Harvard would make a jump, but Yale seemed to come out of nowhere.
It's the Yale Corporation System. Also, Harvard-intenders maybe got scared off by Harvard's opposition to finals clubs. Maybe New Haven is going through a resurrection. Nah, skip that last one.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 08:41PM

shot clock rules could really change things up
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 09, 2018 10:07AM

underskill
as a very casual lacrosse fan (i.e. when Cornell is in the tournament) - how did Yale get so good recently? I remember people kept thinking Harvard would make a jump, but Yale seemed to come out of nowhere.

Here's one set of answers: http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-sp-yale-lacrosse-column-20180528-story.html.

There's also been more than a little bit of luck. Ben Reeves was "under recruited" and turned out better than expected. (Cornell has had its share of players like this: among recent classes, RP3 & Jake P. come to mind.) This spring TD Ierlan decided he wanted to transfer to a school with stronger academics than Albany, and the choice came down to following his younger brother to Cornell and being closer to home vs going to Yale. But Yale's coach Shay did a great job recruiting him. And besides, who wouldn't want the chance to be a key player on a NC team trying to repeat?

Meanwhile, Shay seems happy at Yale and unlikely to jump ship, as successful coaches at Brown and Cornell have done. OTOH, at least Cornell has suffered from coaching turnover and an AD who makes puzzling timing decisions -- to put it mildly -- regarding hiring and firing coaches. Notice, for example, that Cornell's last 3 HC's were all internal hires -- one after a successful coach jumped, one after another successful coach was fired late in the Fall Semester, and one after serving a year as an interim coach even though the former coach resigned in plenty of time to do a national search for a new coach without hurting recruiting with a coach who's future at the position was uncertain. Princeton, the other traditional Ivy power, had similar turnover when Bill Tierney left for Denver (rumored to be because of trouble with a new admissions regime), his replacement was fired 7 years later for elbowing an opposing player, and his replacement was interim HC for the rest of the season but then appointed HC. So Yale has risen to the top when the other Ivy teams most likely to challenge Yale have been undergoing coaching turmoil.

Part of Yale's rise has also been the culture Yale's players have fostered. Compare the Yale and Penn threads on Laxpower, and you'll see what I mean. From what I've read, Yale's culture is all encompassing. Even out of season the players have to post pictures of their meals, and the upperclassmen use this to police the diets of underclassmen and teach them that substituting Kind bars for Milky Ways does not make a healthy/athletic diet. Meanwhile, over on the Penn thread, posters complain about members of the lacrosse team being stuck up and acting entitled.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2018 10:35AM by Swampy.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: djk26 (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 09, 2018 01:31PM

Swampy
Even out of season the players have to post pictures of their meals, and the upperclassmen use this to police the diets of underclassmen and teach them that substituting Kind bars for Milky Ways does not make a healthy/athletic diet.

I can't argue with the results (I am still jealous of Yale's national championship), but ugh. That does not sound fun. Of course, I have never been part of an athletic team, so I imagine it wouldn't work at Yale (or anywhere else) unless all the players loved and respected each other.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 09, 2018 02:17PM

billhoward
Harvard-intenders maybe got scared off by Harvard's opposition to finals clubs.

Oh please. The Upper Class Twits of the Year at Harvard will remain as entitled, pampered, and clueless after that little PR stunt by the Harvard administration as Cantabs of yore. Or Yalies. Or Cornellians, for that matter. Snotty McCokespoon's great, great grandchildren will still be circle-jerking at Phillips Academy long after our bones have been ground into Soylent White for our own progeny.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: August 10, 2018 12:29AM

Just my opinion: the Yale worship is waaaayyy overdone. If Teat gets a little stronger and with some offensive adjustments I think they'll be looking up at us next season. They lost a lot of talent and what they have coming in won't replace it.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: August 10, 2018 08:32PM

djk26
Swampy
Even out of season the players have to post pictures of their meals, and the upperclassmen use this to police the diets of underclassmen and teach them that substituting Kind bars for Milky Ways does not make a healthy/athletic diet.

I can't argue with the results (I am still jealous of Yale's national championship), but ugh. That does not sound fun. Of course, I have never been part of an athletic team, so I imagine it wouldn't work at Yale (or anywhere else) unless all the players loved and respected each other.
it sounds less like hazing than mutual support so it didn't reflexively bug me

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: August 11, 2018 10:43AM

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Inside Lacrosse: It's Official: A Shot Clock is Coming to NCAA Men's Lacrosse; 'The Dive' Returns
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 12, 2018 11:23PM

jeff '84
[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Inside Lacrosse: It's Official: A Shot Clock is Coming to NCAA Men's Lacrosse; 'The Dive' Returns
It appears to target the upcoming season but still needs to get one more round of approval from the NCAA. Although the majority of coaches support the shot clock: 20 seconds to get the ball into the offensive end, at which point the 60-second shot clock kicks in. A shot on-goal (not at-goal) resets the clock. The dive refers to taking an athletic shot at the net where the attacker winds up inside the crease when he lands. If his direction of flight is not in the direction of the goal mouth and if he scores before touching down, the goal counts. Diving at the goal mouth will be rewarded with a one-minute personal foul penalty, as I read it.

NCAA press release
The NCAA Men’s Lacrosse Rules Committee has recommended both a visible 60-second shot clock on every possession and rules changes to allow offenses more flexibility around the crease beginning with the 2019 regular season.

If approved next month by the NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Committee, the shot clock will follow a 20-second clearing count, during which players must advance the ball across the midfield line with the over-and-back provision in effect.

The committee, which met this week in Indianapolis, made the proposal after several years of experimentation and discussion. In the annual rules survey, 62 percent of coaches indicated support for a shot clock on every possession, including 71 percent of Division I coaches.

“It was clear to the committee that the majority of the lacrosse community felt strongly that a shot clock was needed to properly manage today’s game,” said Rob Randall, chair of the committee and head coach at Nazareth. “In our discussions, we debated many different options and reviewed the experiments that took place in the fall. Ultimately, we believe our proposal will continue the evolution of our sport.”

All of the committee’s proposals will be distributed to the NCAA membership to collect feedback. The committee will view the comments and move its final proposals to PROP for review Sept. 12.

Under the proposal, a team will have 20 seconds to cross the midfield line when it gains possession in its defensive half of the field. If a team fails to clear the defensive half of the field, the ball is awarded to the opposing team. The referees will keep this time on the field, as they do currently.

After advancing the ball to the offensive half the visible 60-second shot clock will start. If the offensive team regains possession after satisfying the shot clock, such as with a save, rebound off goal, etc., [[i]no further explain of what the etceteras would be[/i]] the shot clock will reset to 60 seconds. If no shot is taken in the 60 seconds, the defending team will be awarded possession.

So the question for Cornell is, does this in any way help Jeff Teat, or does he need to keep lifting weights and/or find undetectable human growth hormones?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: margolism (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: August 13, 2018 09:45AM

I have to imagine that this rule change would lessen the impact of face offs to a certain extent, and benefit team defenses (since there would likely be fewer super long possessions.)

This rule change will likely impact Cornell's game quite a bit since they really took advantage of longer possessions and the extra pass.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 13, 2018 11:40AM

margolism
I have to imagine that this rule change would lessen the impact of face offs to a certain extent, and benefit team defenses (since there would likely be fewer super long possessions.)

This rule change will likely impact Cornell's game quite a bit since they really took advantage of longer possessions and the extra pass.

This is why I'm disappointed by the new rule: not because it disadvantages Cornell, but because it makes the game less attractive.

I really dislike the offensive/defensive platooning, especially when it makes the game stand still while teams substitute after a clear; I also dislike it because of the silly game one sometimes sees in which players fake being substituted. The 20 sec. clear and other adjustments could have addressed this.

The 60-second shot clock will reduce the number of extra passes (i.e., dilute the passing game), increase the prevalence of zone defenses, increase the likelihood of shut-off (as in SOT) defensive strategies, and put more emphasis on individual dodging, size, and strength. I consider all of these detrimental to the game.

Taking the subjectivity out of the existing shot-clock regulations is a good thing, but there are other ways to accomplish this.

Also, it seems more than a little self-contradictory to consider a "shot" for shot-clock purposes to be one that goes in, hits the GK, or hits the goal. But a "shot" for possession purposes (i.e., one in which possession goes to the team closest to where the "shot" goes out of bounds) is one that, in the judgement of the ref, was intended to go in and had a reasonable chance of doing so, whereas other throws -- such as a completed or errant "pass" behind the cage or in front of it, or an intended shot that never had a remote chance of going in -- are not. The criteria for what counts as a "shot" should be consistent.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: August 14, 2018 10:14AM

Swampy
margolism
I have to imagine that this rule change would lessen the impact of face offs to a certain extent, and benefit team defenses (since there would likely be fewer super long possessions.)

This rule change will likely impact Cornell's game quite a bit since they really took advantage of longer possessions and the extra pass.

This is why I'm disappointed by the new rule: not because it disadvantages Cornell, but because it makes the game less attractive.

I really dislike the offensive/defensive platooning, especially when it makes the game stand still while teams substitute after a clear; I also dislike it because of the silly game one sometimes sees in which players fake being substituted. The 20 sec. clear and other adjustments could have addressed this.

The 60-second shot clock will reduce the number of extra passes (i.e., dilute the passing game), increase the prevalence of zone defenses, increase the likelihood of shut-off (as in SOT) defensive strategies, and put more emphasis on individual dodging, size, and strength. I consider all of these detrimental to the game.

Taking the subjectivity out of the existing shot-clock regulations is a good thing, but there are other ways to accomplish this.

Also, it seems more than a little self-contradictory to consider a "shot" for shot-clock purposes to be one that goes in, hits the GK, or hits the goal. But a "shot" for possession purposes (i.e., one in which possession goes to the team closest to where the "shot" goes out of bounds) is one that, in the judgement of the ref, was intended to go in and had a reasonable chance of doing so, whereas other throws -- such as a completed or errant "pass" behind the cage or in front of it, or an intended shot that never had a remote chance of going in -- are not. The criteria for what counts as a "shot" should be consistent.
The inconsistency likely comes down to how easy it is to fake an errant shot for shot clock purposes when you have someone in position to keep possession. "Pass or shot" is generally not a tough call. "Real shot or Reset-Trigger Shot" would be.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: CU77 (---.wireless.ucsb.edu)
Date: August 16, 2018 06:23PM

I agree with Swampy that this is bad for the game and bad for Cornell.

On the plus side, here's a nice article on the team & PM from US Lacrosse:

[www.uslaxmagazine.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2018 07:54PM by CU77.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 17, 2018 10:35AM

I thought the new rule was you get to keep the ball when shooting for the duration of the shot clock but it wont reset unless it hits goalie or net, so just taking shots wont let you keep the ball.

i think its great for the game.. it will force teams to play faster hopefully cause more unsettled play and players taking shots before they are ready again causing more unsettled play.

anything that makes the faceoffs more valuable and also less dominating is great.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: CU77 (---.wireless.ucsb.edu)
Date: August 17, 2018 08:22PM

IMO, players taking shots before they are ready does not make for a fun game to watch.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: August 17, 2018 11:17PM

CU77
IMO, players taking shots before they are ready does not make for a fun game to watch.
Agree completely. The problem is the waiting around to switch middies. The shot clock is not going to change that.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 18, 2018 10:52AM

Al DeFlorio
CU77
IMO, players taking shots before they are ready does not make for a fun game to watch.
Agree completely. The problem is the waiting around to switch middies. The shot clock is not going to change that.

Exactly!

Rather than 20-second-clear and 60-second-shot clock, I would have preferred an 80-second prohibition on substitutions except in case of injury.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: August 18, 2018 11:10AM

Swampy
Al DeFlorio
CU77
IMO, players taking shots before they are ready does not make for a fun game to watch.
Agree completely. The problem is the waiting around to switch middies. The shot clock is not going to change that.

Exactly!

Rather than 20-second-clear and 60-second-shot clock, I would have preferred an 80-second prohibition on substitutions except in case of injury.
Coaches will still switch middies so it will in reality become a 40-45 second shot clock, and the sublime beauty of a surgically-precise Teat goal-mouth pass will be a much less frequent phenomenon.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: mike1960 (---.wi.res.rr.com)
Date: August 19, 2018 07:37PM

CU77
I agree with Swampy that this is bad for the game and bad for Cornell.

On the plus side, here's a nice article on the team & PM from US Lacrosse:

[www.uslaxmagazine.com]

I don't think this will be bad for Cornell. They can attack and get off several passes in 60 seconds, esp. with their box skills.

A shot clock is a draw for the general fan, and that's good for the growth of the sport. The game becomes faster and more exciting. It also, as people have pointed out, takes away the (sometimes inexplicable) subjectivity of the refs to determine shots v. passes or when to put on the stall warning.

It does add, though, the sometimes difficult call whether a shot occurred before or after the shot clock expires.

Mike
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: jeff '84 (209.155.106.---)
Date: August 23, 2018 10:53PM

[www.insidelacrosse.com]


“Shanny's Take on the Minto Cup Game 2 Situation”

(Jeff Teat is suspended for 3 games for verbal abuse of ref). sketchy.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: August 24, 2018 07:18AM

Jeff Teat’s suspension was overturned upon appeal.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 27, 2018 02:22AM

CAS
Jeff Teat’s suspension was overturned upon appeal.
Maybe he's pre-law. And saw Animal House.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - Denver @ Princeton 3/26/19
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 27, 2018 01:19PM

Bill Tierney, all is forgiven. Denver flies to Princeton to play the Tigers Tuesday, March 26.

[goprincetontigers.com]

Princeton "jumped at the chance"?

Princeton coach Matt Madalon
"The opportunity to add Denver to the schedule presented itself, and we of course jumped at the opportunity."
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 27, 2018 04:12PM

billhoward
CAS
Jeff Teat’s suspension was overturned upon appeal.
Maybe he's pre-law. And saw Animal House.
Does this thing talk?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.mtnsat.com)
Date: August 27, 2018 07:12PM

Cornell fall ball October 14 against Maryland.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: CU77 (---.wireless.ucsb.edu)
Date: August 28, 2018 06:32PM

Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else …
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.mtnsat.com)
Date: August 28, 2018 07:53PM

CU77
Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else …
Email from Milliman. Good enough for you?

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: August 29, 2018 11:15AM

So it seems LaxPower may really be defunct based on a message posted today when I tried logging on. I'm certainly glad we have this forum to use.

And a new forum is already up and running at FanLax.com
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/29/2018 12:04PM by scoop85.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 29, 2018 12:18PM

Al DeFlorio
CU77
Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else …
Email from Milliman. Good enough for you?
As Ned Harkness allegedly (and probably) said, "Keep your elbows up, boys."
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 29, 2018 02:51PM

billhoward
Al DeFlorio
CU77
Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else …
Email from Milliman. Good enough for you?
As Ned Harkness allegedly (and probably) said, "Keep your elbows up, boys."

Was that in hockey or lacrosse?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - Denver @ Princeton 3/26/19
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 29, 2018 03:10PM

billhoward
Bill Tierney, all is forgiven. Denver flies to Princeton to play the Tigers Tuesday, March 26.

[goprincetontigers.com]

Princeton "jumped at the chance"?

Princeton coach Matt Madalon
"The opportunity to add Denver to the schedule presented itself, and we of course jumped at the opportunity."

Also,

Princeton Tigers
... the only men's lacrosse coach to have won an NCAA title with two schools.

Technically correct. BUT ... IIRC, lacrosse teams at RPI coached by Ned Harkness were undefeated in 1947 and 1952, when RPI won the Wingate Trophy, precursor to the NCAA national championship. And in 3 years at Cornell, his teams were 35-1. Odds are that had the NCAA engaged in voter suppression a few years before 1971, Ned would have been the first to win championships at two different schools. But alas, Ned coached during the last few years that the NCAA still relied on gerrymandered voting instead of actually playing for the championship.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/29/2018 03:11PM by Swampy.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 30, 2018 10:26AM

Swampy
billhoward
Al DeFlorio
CU77
Source? This news doesn't seem to be anywhere else …
Email from Milliman. Good enough for you?
As Ned Harkness allegedly (and probably) said, "Keep your elbows up, boys."

Was that in hockey or lacrosse?
With Ned it may even have been dancing.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 16, 2018 08:47AM

Sitting outside the stadium yesterday, one Mr. Andy Noel stopped over to chat with the only Cornell fans who were around. In the course of conversation, he mentioned that we just picked up a new FOGO from of all places, Australia.

Anybody know anything?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: September 17, 2018 12:57AM

Face off, hop off.

 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: September 18, 2018 03:27PM

billhoward
Face off, hop off.

I may be wrong about this, and perhaps things have changed under the new rules. But aren't kicks to the stomach illegal?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: September 21, 2018 10:30PM

you could check the student roster i suppose.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: TimV (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: September 28, 2018 11:32AM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Sitting outside the stadium yesterday, one Mr. Andy Noel stopped over to chat with the only Cornell fans who were around. In the course of conversation, he mentioned that we just picked up a new FOGO from of all places, Australia.

Anybody know anything?


His name is Tim Graham. I saw him on the televised World Games last summer, and he is great. Trevor Baptiste of Denver and now in the MLL considered the best college faceoff specialist in the country (The kid who decided on Yale doesn't have as long a track record) faced off against Graham 12 times. Graham won 5. Almost a standoff. I'm very optimistic. Yeah, we lost that other guy, but he has only two years of eligibility left and Graham has all four. You can probably see Youtube videos of those Australian National Team games.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: September 28, 2018 12:20PM

TimV
Jeff Hopkins '82
Sitting outside the stadium yesterday, one Mr. Andy Noel stopped over to chat with the only Cornell fans who were around. In the course of conversation, he mentioned that we just picked up a new FOGO from of all places, Australia.

Anybody know anything?


His name is Tim Graham. I saw him on the televised World Games last summer, and he is great. Trevor Baptiste of Denver and now in the MLL considered the best college faceoff specialist in the country (The kid who decided on Yale doesn't have as long a track record) faced off against Graham 12 times. Graham won 5. Almost a standoff. I'm very optimistic. Yeah, we lost that other guy, but he has only two years of eligibility left and Graham has all four. You can probably see Youtube videos of those Australian National Team games.

Do we know if Graham is enrolling for the spring semester? Right now he's not on the roster. In any event Angelo Petrakis from Long Island, who is rated the best FOGO in the HS class of 2019 and a top-15 recruit overall, is scheduled to arrive in Ithaca in 2019 as well. So we are likely looking at FOGO becoming a position of strength sooner than later.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: TimV (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: September 28, 2018 02:24PM

My information (directly from the coaching staff) is that he is enrolling in January and is eligible immediately.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: September 28, 2018 04:17PM

TimV
My information (directly from the coaching staff) is that he is enrolling in January and is eligible immediately.

Works for me!
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (110.8.254.---)
Date: September 29, 2018 09:12AM

I'll take two solid FOGO's. Let the best man win!
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 29, 2018 10:25AM

Three guys - counting Rasimovicz who was pretty good after the 0-24 UAlbany Game and before his injury. Subtract the Albany game and the Maryland playoff (that he played despite his injury) from his season stats and he was 140-104 for 57%. Take out the Lehigh Game when he got injured and he was 133-86 for 63%. Only 6 players did better than that in D1 last year.

 
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"Yo Paulie - I don't see no crowd gathering 'round you neither."

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2018 10:28AM by TimV.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.ipvanish.com)
Date: September 29, 2018 11:13PM

TimV
Three guys - counting Rasimovicz who was pretty good after the 0-24 UAlbany Game and before his injury. Subtract the Albany game and the Maryland playoff (that he played despite his injury) from his season stats and he was 140-104 for 57%. Take out the Lehigh Game when he got injured and he was 133-86 for 63%. Only 6 players did better than that in D1 last year.

Four, counting Mitch Rothstein. If nothing else, we'll have a nice rotation of FOGOs and wear down most other teams' FOGOs.

Of course, any individual FOGO's success also will depend heavily on wing play.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: October 01, 2018 11:48AM

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'll take two solid FOGO's. Let the best man win!
Then the best man wins. The other guy withdraws. The best men gets hurt. Viz Clemson football
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: October 01, 2018 11:51AM

Swampy
TimV
Three guys - counting Rasimovicz who was pretty good after the 0-24 UAlbany Game and before his injury. Subtract the Albany game and the Maryland playoff (that he played despite his injury) from his season stats and he was 140-104 for 57%. Take out the Lehigh Game when he got injured and he was 133-86 for 63%. Only 6 players did better than that in D1 last year.

Four, counting Mitch Rothstein. If nothing else, we'll have a nice rotation of FOGOs and wear down most other teams' FOGOs. Of course, any individual FOGO's success also will depend heavily on wing play.
Maybe one could be a bruiser who bowls over the opponent face-guarding Jeff Teat. Sort of like the unheralded fullbacks who blew the whole open for Ed Marinaro. Dick Storto and then Bob Joehl, I believe their names were. Sorry, people under 50. This for you is like me being forced to believe Cornell football in the depression years was worth being told about.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: October 09, 2018 03:28PM

Men’s Lacrosse to host Maryland, Nazareth this Sunday.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: October 09, 2018 03:33PM

George64
Men’s Lacrosse to host Maryland, Nazareth this Sunday.
Huh. Lax is a Fall sport now?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 09, 2018 06:28PM

Trotsky
George64
Men’s Lacrosse to host Maryland, Nazareth this Sunday.
Huh. Lax is a Fall sport now?

Fall Ball that all teams play now.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: October 14, 2018 02:20PM

Haven’t seen any details, but Cornell 16-14 over Maryland in today’s scrimmage.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: October 14, 2018 04:16PM

scoop85
Haven’t seen any details, but Cornell 16-14 over Maryland in today’s scrimmage.
Would be interested in how MD marked Teat. If shut off for all or part of the game, how did we respond?

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: October 15, 2018 01:03PM

Story on Scrimmage from Inside Lacrosse

Photos from Scrimmage

 
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/15/2018 01:05PM by TimV.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: CU77 (---.wireless.ucsb.edu)
Date: October 15, 2018 08:57PM

From the forum at fanlax.com:
rmredlax
was at the scrimmage yesterday and it was a beautiful, fall day in Ithaca!

As noted in the IL lacrosse article it was a very competitive, fairly even game, back and forth and plenty of action. CU took more control of the game in the 3rd/early 4th before players were subbed. Clock had minimal effect and at times, the refs had some issue keeping up with the 20 second rule.

There was no face-guarding JT but the highlight for sure was Connor Fletcer bulldozzing his defender from outside on his run for a goal. Certainly got everyone on the Big Red side and sideline excited.

This should be a fun season!
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (65.124.240.---)
Date: October 16, 2018 07:48PM

Some highlights from Sunday's scrimmage: [youtu.be]

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: October 16, 2018 09:51PM

CU77
From the forum at fanlax.com:
rmredlax
was at the scrimmage yesterday and it was a beautiful, fall day in Ithaca!

As noted in the IL lacrosse article it was a very competitive, fairly even game, back and forth and plenty of action. CU took more control of the game in the 3rd/early 4th before players were subbed. Clock had minimal effect and at times, the refs had some issue keeping up with the 20 second rule.

There was no face-guarding JT but the highlight for sure was Connor Fletcer bulldozzing his defender from outside on his run for a goal. Certainly got everyone on the Big Red side and sideline excited.

This should be a fun season!

Hmmm. Posted by "rmredlax"...Now I wonder who that could be?wtf

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: October 17, 2018 09:54AM

I still dont understand why we can have off season practice and "scrimmages" for sports like Lax but fball cant be in the FCS playoffs..
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 17, 2018 10:46AM

upprdeck
I still dont understand why we can have off season practice and "scrimmages" for sports like Lax but fball cant be in the FCS playoffs..
Optics. Ivy branding depends on appearing, conspicuously, above it all.

The label is the product.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: November 29, 2018 01:16PM

Ivy tournament at Columbia again in 2019. Women, too.

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: jeff '84 (64.74.86.---)
Date: November 29, 2018 03:37PM

Inside Lacrosse ranks the “Top Incoming Men's Classes” (from September)

Virginia is #1, Yale is 2

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Cornell #9
Under Armour All-Americans bookend the field in John John Lombardi (Salisbury, Conn.) at attack and Chayse Ierlan (Victor, N.Y.) in goal. Lombardi is a strong, dual threat who evokes memories of Rob Pannell, while Ierlan had an illustrious high school career. The offense will get contributions from Billy Coyle (Malvern Prep, Pa. / Hill Academy, Ont.), Henry Follows (Hill Academy, Ont.) and Billy Chabot (Rye, N.Y.), while a stable of longpoles is led by JQ Stramanak (Spalding, Md.)
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: rss77 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: November 29, 2018 06:21PM

Supposedly the Ivy football title is the THING.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: mike1960 (---.wi.res.rr.com)
Date: November 30, 2018 06:50PM

jeff '84
Inside Lacrosse ranks the “Top Incoming Men's Classes” (from September)

Virginia is #1, Yale is 2

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Cornell #9
Under Armour All-Americans bookend the field in John John Lombardi (Salisbury, Conn.) at attack and Chayse Ierlan (Victor, N.Y.) in goal. Lombardi is a strong, dual threat who evokes memories of Rob Pannell, while Ierlan had an illustrious high school career. The offense will get contributions from Billy Coyle (Malvern Prep, Pa. / Hill Academy, Ont.), Henry Follows (Hill Academy, Ont.) and Billy Chabot (Rye, N.Y.), while a stable of longpoles is led by JQ Stramanak (Spalding, Md.)

Can't wait for the season to begin!
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 05, 2018 03:39PM

First pre-season lacrosse poll:

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

[cornellbigred.com]

 
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/05/2018 03:41PM by Al DeFlorio.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: December 06, 2018 05:05PM

We're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 06, 2018 09:23PM

TimV
We're under-rated. S'OK though.
I think so, too. Teat should have been on the IL cover, though.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: December 07, 2018 10:47AM

TimV
We're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 07, 2018 11:39AM

Swampy
TimV
We're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: December 07, 2018 01:20PM

Al DeFlorio
Swampy
TimV
We're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.

In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 07, 2018 03:25PM

Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Swampy
TimV
We're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.

In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.
Not sure why you're telling me something (the SOT business) I obviously know.

My point was Yale has been improving year over year under Andy Shay, and is now national champ. No surprise that their program is now at the top of the Ivy. Harvard, by the way, has never been "our most serious Ivy rival" in lacrosse.

Cornell's defense was so effective in that game because a decision was made NOT to slide to Ben Reeves. Seventeen of Yale's 21 goals against Penn in the semis were assisted, including all seven of Gaudet's. Reeves and Morrill accounted for two-thirds of Yale's assists during the season. Yale had one assisted goal in the Cornell game (Reeves's first), and that was a gift assist if you watch again. Pulver made Morrill invisible and Reeves had no one to pass to as no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score. Brilliant strategy by Milliman and Stevens, leaving Reeves to Wallace and Knight while keeping everyone else covered. Reeves got his five goals but no assists, and the rest of Yale's offense disappeared.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: December 08, 2018 09:44AM

Al DeFlorio
Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Swampy
TimV
We're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.

In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.
Not sure why you're telling me something (the SOT business) I obviously know.

My point was Yale has been improving year over year under Andy Shay, and is now national champ. No surprise that their program is now at the top of the Ivy. Harvard, by the way, has never been "our most serious Ivy rival" in lacrosse.

Cornell's defense was so effective in that game because a decision was made NOT to slide to Ben Reeves. Seventeen of Yale's 21 goals against Penn in the semis were assisted, including all seven of Gaudet's. Reeves and Morrill accounted for two-thirds of Yale's assists during the season. Yale had one assisted goal in the Cornell game (Reeves's first), and that was a gift assist if you watch again. Pulver made Morrill invisible and Reeves had no one to pass to as no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score. Brilliant strategy by Milliman and Stevens, leaving Reeves to Wallace and Knight while keeping everyone else covered. Reeves got his five goals but no assists, and the rest of Yale's offense disappeared.

My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. I started by replying to TimV's comment about us being underrated, expressing my disagreement because we haven't yet demonstrated our ability to overcome SOT. As an aside, I mentioned Yale's recruiting. Then you mentioned the ILT, and I responded mainly by pointing out that Yale did not use SOT when we kicked their ass.

I mainly agree with your posts, except for one thing. IIRC, Reeves scored most (all?) of his goals in the first half. I may be wrong, but on all of them I remember him coming around from behind the goal to Knight's left and beating Wallace one-on-one. At halftime Milliman & Co. changed the slide packages, with quicker slides double-teaming Reeves when he came around, but still shutting off Yale players in front of the goal, and leaving Reeves with the difficult task (he was double-teamed) of passing to a teammate in a relatively harmless location on the periphery. IIRC, several times he lost possession due to this strategy. We pulled away during the 2nd half.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 08, 2018 02:50PM

Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Swampy
Al DeFlorio
Swampy
TimV
We're under-rated. S'OK though. Let those nouveau riche in New Haven enjoy 2018.

Actually, I think we deserve to be where we are (#5) until we demonstrate that we can regularly counter SOT and win against top teams.

Also, an ominous note about New Haven: if you look at the recruit lists and go by either the star or numeric rating systems, Yale is the one Ivy that beats us in both systems. We have the same number of 5-star recruits coming in this year, but they have more 4-star. And if you look at the numerical ratings for all recruits who've committed for the next few years, they've got many rated at 80 or above, but we have only a few before dropping down to the 70s.

One of the great thing about lacrosse is it's a game in which one can learn and improve as time goes on, and it's a team game. So such ratings should be taken with a grain of salt. Nonetheless, it does seem Yale has leapfrogged over Princeton and Harvard as our most serious Ivy rival.
Well...they just won a national championship--leapfrogging everyone. But their asses got kicked in the ILT.

True, but Yale didn't really play SOT. Instead, most of the time Yale's Fake marked Jeff the conventional way, but Jeff was still was able to do his magic: a goal and 5 assists. (Also, our defense was really, really good, and this year it's liable to be a bit weaker. But this is not my point.) Cornell beat Yale 14-8.

In contrast, two days earlier Brown played SOT, denying Jeff the ball most of the game. And he scored only 1 goal and 2 assists, with Cornell beating Brown 7-4. Taking JT out of the game also took Cornell out of its game, so the impact of SOT is more than just the 3 additional goals that Teat was directly involved in during the championship game.
Not sure why you're telling me something (the SOT business) I obviously know.

My point was Yale has been improving year over year under Andy Shay, and is now national champ. No surprise that their program is now at the top of the Ivy. Harvard, by the way, has never been "our most serious Ivy rival" in lacrosse.

Cornell's defense was so effective in that game because a decision was made NOT to slide to Ben Reeves. Seventeen of Yale's 21 goals against Penn in the semis were assisted, including all seven of Gaudet's. Reeves and Morrill accounted for two-thirds of Yale's assists during the season. Yale had one assisted goal in the Cornell game (Reeves's first), and that was a gift assist if you watch again. Pulver made Morrill invisible and Reeves had no one to pass to as no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score. Brilliant strategy by Milliman and Stevens, leaving Reeves to Wallace and Knight while keeping everyone else covered. Reeves got his five goals but no assists, and the rest of Yale's offense disappeared.

My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. I started by replying to TimV's comment about us being underrated, expressing my disagreement because we haven't yet demonstrated our ability to overcome SOT. As an aside, I mentioned Yale's recruiting. Then you mentioned the ILT, and I responded mainly by pointing out that Yale did not use SOT when we kicked their ass.

I mainly agree with your posts, except for one thing. IIRC, Reeves scored most (all?) of his goals in the first half. I may be wrong, but on all of them I remember him coming around from behind the goal to Knight's left and beating Wallace one-on-one. At halftime Milliman & Co. changed the slide packages, with quicker slides double-teaming Reeves when he came around, but still shutting off Yale players in front of the goal, and leaving Reeves with the difficult task (he was double-teamed) of passing to a teammate in a relatively harmless location on the periphery. IIRC, several times he lost possession due to this strategy. We pulled away during the 2nd half.
Yale didn't use the SOT but my point was that playing straight up the national champs got their asses kicked, so they weren't so superior to everyone else.

In the second half, Reeves scored early in the third to tie the game at 6, again with no slide to help Wallace. Later in the third, Cornell slid twice to Reeves, the first by Doria when Reeves was out of scoring range and the guy Doria was marking, Morrill (after a switch, apparently) was well behind the net and not in position for an easy feed from Reeves. Reeves did try to get the ball to Morrill but the pass was short, Morrill fumbled it, and Cornell picked it up.The second slide was by Pulver from Knight's right as Reeves was coming from behind to Knight's left (as Reeves ALWAYS did), again making for a difficult pass to the guy Pulver slid from, and Reeves wisely didn't risk it.

In the first two minutes of the fourth period, Reeves made his move twice, again with no slide. First time he went east-west and passed back to Warner who had a clear path to the net. Knight stoned him. A minute later Reeves again came from behind the net to Knight's left, no slide, and fed Morrill, who somehow slipped behind Pulver, right on the crease. Knight stoned him, too. Later in the game, after Cornell opened a good lead, Pulver did slide to Reeves, and Doria did again on yet again a Reeves move from behind to Knight's left, but this last time with 1:20 left in a game that was over long before.

As I wrote above, "no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score." I'll modify that to add "when the game was still in doubt."

Yale took a different approach with Teat: sliding anyone and everyone to him (except when poor Sessa wound up with him, strangely enough), and it burned them again and again.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: December 09, 2018 11:12AM

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My post wasn't specifically addressed to you. I started by replying to TimV's comment about us being underrated, expressing my disagreement because we haven't yet demonstrated our ability to overcome SOT. As an aside, I mentioned Yale's recruiting. Then you mentioned the ILT, and I responded mainly by pointing out that Yale did not use SOT when we kicked their ass.

I mainly agree with your posts, except for one thing. IIRC, Reeves scored most (all?) of his goals in the first half. I may be wrong, but on all of them I remember him coming around from behind the goal to Knight's left and beating Wallace one-on-one. At halftime Milliman & Co. changed the slide packages, with quicker slides double-teaming Reeves when he came around, but still shutting off Yale players in front of the goal, and leaving Reeves with the difficult task (he was double-teamed) of passing to a teammate in a relatively harmless location on the periphery. IIRC, several times he lost possession due to this strategy. We pulled away during the 2nd half.

Yale didn't use the SOT but my point was that playing straight up the national champs got their asses kicked, so they weren't so superior to everyone else.

Agreed.

But I maintain that had we demonstrated the ability to overcome SOT against very top-level teams, unlike the quarterfinal loss to Maryland which we lost by 5 goals, we would be ranked higher than #5 this year.

So I don't see us disagreeing as much as talking past each other.

Al DeFlorio
In the second half, Reeves scored early in the third to tie the game at 6, again with no slide to help Wallace. Later in the third, Cornell slid twice to Reeves, the first by Doria when Reeves was out of scoring range and the guy Doria was marking, Morrill (after a switch, apparently) was well behind the net and not in position for an easy feed from Reeves. Reeves did try to get the ball to Morrill but the pass was short, Morrill fumbled it, and Cornell picked it up.The second slide was by Pulver from Knight's right as Reeves was coming from behind to Knight's left (as Reeves ALWAYS did), again making for a difficult pass to the guy Pulver slid from, and Reeves wisely didn't risk it.

In the first two minutes of the fourth period, Reeves made his move twice, again with no slide. First time he went east-west and passed back to Warner who had a clear path to the net. Knight stoned him. A minute later Reeves again came from behind the net to Knight's left, no slide, and fed Morrill, who somehow slipped behind Pulver, right on the crease. Knight stoned him, too. Later in the game, after Cornell opened a good lead, Pulver did slide to Reeves, and Doria did again on yet again a Reeves move from behind to Knight's left, but this last time with 1:20 left in a game that was over long before.

As I wrote above, "no Cornell defender slid to him from a Yale player in a position to score." I'll modify that to add "when the game was still in doubt."

Yale took a different approach with Teat: sliding anyone and everyone to him (except when poor Sessa wound up with him, strangely enough), and it burned them again and again.

Wow! Do you recall all this detail from memory, or did you review the game film before composing your post? Either way, I'm very impressed.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 09, 2018 07:03PM

Swampy
But I maintain that had we demonstrated the ability to overcome SOT against very top-level teams, unlike the quarterfinal loss to Maryland which we lost by 5 goals, we would be ranked higher than #5 this year.
Agree. Doesn't take anything away from beating #1-ranked and eventual national champ Yale straight up in a game that mattered.


Wow! Do you recall all this detail from memory, or did you review the game film before composing your post? Either way, I'm very impressed.
Have watched that game several times as there's much you can learn about lacrosse offense and defense in analyzing both team's goals, and understanding why Yale managed not one legitimate assisted goal.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.cl.ri.cox.net)
Date: December 10, 2018 04:38PM

We don't have a "Lacrosse Opponents" thread, so I'm posting here something to add to the "Ugh!" department. doh
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: December 14, 2018 09:36PM

TimV
My information (directly from the coaching staff) is that he is enrolling in January and is eligible immediately.

Official announcement.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: December 15, 2018 09:26AM

And, in the same announcement, a 29 year old ex-marine sniper. An actual sniper.

Don't f*** with us Yale. moon

 
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