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Cornell lacrosse 2019

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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: June 22, 2018 10:00PM

BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Sorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship. In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25. In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.

Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh? I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.
Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.
You pissed and moaned about how Yale's championship was going to give them a great recruiting boost. Hasn't happened. 'Fess up.

Not talking about some unknown-to-anyone future "direction." Talking about where they are now...five years after their championship. Sub .500. Head-to-head 5-2-3 for Cornell since that championship.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: June 23, 2018 12:15PM

Al DeFlorio
BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Sorry to clutter your thinking with facts but let's look at what's happened since you bellyached after Yale's 2013 NCAA hockey championship. In the five seasons since, Yale's record's been 82-60-20 while Cornell's was 90-50-25. In the two season's since the last members of Yale's championship team graduated in 2016, Yale's gone 28-30-6, while Cornell's been 46-15-7.

Some recruiting bonanza for Yale, huh? I think you just have a hyperactive envy gene.
Yale has a great incoming recruiting class, second in the ECAC only to Harvard's. They've missed the NCAAs twice in a row after making it 6/8 years--something Cornell has never done under Schafer. It's way too early to conclude anything about the direction of Yale's hockey program.
You pissed and moaned about how Yale's championship was going to give them a great recruiting boost. Hasn't happened. 'Fess up.

Not talking about some unknown-to-anyone future "direction." Talking about where they are now...five years after their championship. Sub .500. Head-to-head 5-2-3 for Cornell since that championship.
My argument was limited to the five years following the national championship (two of which Yale made the NCAAs and two of which Cornell did)? That's news to me. You chose an arbitrary cutting off point that comes after two very successful years for Cornell. Cut off the "analysis" at 2015, or 2016, and we have the total opposite result. Yale has a great recruiting class this year. We don't know how things are going to develop.

There are far too many confounding variables to argue causality one way or the other. As I said earlier in literally this same thread:
BearLover
It's usually hard to prove a rival's success hurt us in recruiting
We usually don't know what teams a recruit is deciding between, what the recruit is looking for, etc. In this case, though, we have a relatively simple test-case: the top transfer in the country choosing between Cornell and a Yale team that just won the national championship. If this happened in, say, 2010, and Cornell were the clear best Ivy in lacrosse, would he have chosen Cornell instead? Princeton then was the closest parallel to Yale now: an HYP school with recent lax success. The difference, though, was that Cornell had more recent success than Princeton. So would the result have been different? Maybe, maybe not. But on average, holding everything else equal, Irelan would have been more likely to choose Cornell under those 2010 circumstances than under these current ones. (Or he could have chosen Syracuse or some non-Ivy instead. We don't know, but again, we are talking about likelihood, not absolutes.) If Yale had exited in the first round this year, I think there's a very good chance we'd be starting next season with the best FOGO guy in the country.

It's also worth noting the impact on recruiting was a relatively minor point in the overall argument I was making. If you look at Cornell's success relative to the strength of the rest of the ECAC, results from last six years support the conclusion that Cornell has more success when the ECAC is weaker, or at minimum a weak ECAC doesn't hurt Cornell enough nationally to cancel out the advantage of having a higher chance at an automatic bid (missing the tournament four years straight when the ECAC was strong, and making it the past two years when the ECAC was down).
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: margolism (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: June 23, 2018 12:32PM

Prior to the start of last (hockey) season, what was the word on our incoming class? I think we had two NHL picks, and one of them (Cairns) didn’t enter the lineup as a starter for the most part.

How a recruiting class looks on paper doesn’t indicate how well they will gel with the other classes and / or their fellow classmates. I believe there was a period when Harvard supposedly had amazing recruiting classes for a few consecutive years, yet was among the bottom dwellers in the ECAC.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: June 23, 2018 12:46PM

margolism
Prior to the start of last (hockey) season, what was the word on our incoming class? I think we had two NHL picks, and one of them (Cairns) didn’t enter the lineup as a starter for the most part.

How a recruiting class looks on paper doesn’t indicate how well they will gel with the other classes and / or their fellow classmates. I believe there was a period when Harvard supposedly had amazing recruiting classes for a few consecutive years, yet was among the bottom dwellers in the ECAC.
It's definitely not a 1:1 correlation but there's definitely a correlation. BU/Mich/NoDak/etc wouldn't be perennial powers if that weren't the case. On paper Cairns was the highlight of our recruiting class last year, but we also had a number of players who had put up great numbers in juniors. At least one was on an NHL draft watch-list (Betts, I believe) and Barron was drafted. This year we have a couple of forwards who put up good numbers coming, though none of whom were on any draft watch-lists. Yale was able to snag several of the top scorers in the USHL, IIRC.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: June 23, 2018 01:34PM

Alex Green was just selected in the 4th round
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 23, 2018 04:06PM

CAS
Alex Green was just selected in the 4th round
In lacrosse?

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-220-21.myvzw.com)
Date: June 23, 2018 09:16PM

ugarte
CAS
Alex Green was just selected in the 4th round
In lacrosse?

Thread appropriation.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.sub-174-200-15.myvzw.com)
Date: June 24, 2018 11:16PM

Swampy
Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 25, 2018 09:18AM

billhoward
Swampy
Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.

I guess they're the ones who choose Cornell over Yale. Good! Maybe in 10-15 years one of them will donate a portion of their obscene profits to build an indoor lacrosse practice facility.demented
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: June 25, 2018 10:16AM

billhoward
Swampy
Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.
Ever since we shit on the liberal arts that's essentially every major offered at Cornell now.

Because, you know, "preparation for life." wank
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 27, 2018 08:08AM

Follow the Bill Gates model: Build up personal wealth in your 20s and 30s, then do good works in your 40s and beyond. Including a computing center for Cornell.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 27, 2018 08:36AM

billhoward
Follow the Bill Gates model: Build up personal wealth in your 20s and 30s, then do good works in your 40s and beyond. Including a computing center for Cornell.

Are you saying there are still opportunities for in-garage businesses to buy licenses to shit software and relicense the software to clueless multinationals?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: billhoward (---.sub-174-200-15.myvzw.com)
Date: June 27, 2018 12:54PM

Swampy
billhoward
Follow the Bill Gates model: Build up personal wealth in your 20s and 30s, then do good works in your 40s and beyond. Including a computing center for Cornell.
Are you saying there are still opportunities for in-garage businesses to buy licenses to shit software and relicense the software to clueless multinationals?
Absolutely not what I'm saying. You're putting words in my mouth. The correct words to put in my mouth are: "Selling the software licenses for the apps whose characteristics you describe, that has become a task better handled by larger companies historically suited to this kind of enterprise. Screwing companies with today's software is no longer a game for kids and garage shops. The should stick to making surfboards."
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Swampy (---.163.128.131.dhcp.uri.edu)
Date: June 28, 2018 12:18PM

billhoward
Swampy
Have to say, if I were an undergraduate thinking of majoring in economics, the program description on Yale's web site, with its emphasis on non-profits, social justice, public policy, and global issues, would be much more attractive than Cornell's, with its emphasis on bureaucratic things like prerequisites and required courses.
Some undergrads might prefer a more mainstream major with the focus on avarice, materialism and obscene profits.

Sounds like excellent preparation for becoming Commissioner of the NHL.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: July 14, 2018 12:26PM

Watching Canada crush Scotland in the Worlds. Teat with 1G-4A in the first half for Team Canada. Brennan Donville in goal for Canada in the second half.

Teat now with 1G-6A after 3Q.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019
Posted by: djk26 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: July 14, 2018 09:07PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Watching Canada crush Scotland in the Worlds. Teat with 1G-4A in the first half for Team Canada. Brennan Donville in goal for Canada in the second half.

Teat now with 1G-6A after 3Q.

Go Jeff! Soooo...how is Canada countering SOT? ;-)

I kid...I know that just about any winning team in the NCAA could likely beat the Scottish national team.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - recruits announced
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: July 16, 2018 11:32AM

Again, the incoming lacrosse Class of '22, as described by Coach, sounds really good without too many specifics.

Coach Peter Millman
"I think this class is going to bring depth and competition at every spot on the field. There are several players who have the ability to impact us right away, but for the first time in a few years, we have very few openings in the lineup right now. There is a battle at every position all of these newcomers are going to have to fight very hard if they want a chance to get on the field this year. This is a defensively heavy class but overall it's a strong group that we are very excited about.

Men's Lacrosse Welcomes 13 Newcomers for 2019
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 03:02AM

From Christian Swezey, Inside Lacrosse. This was done back in June when it was uncertain where Albany's FOGO would go. Yale, Cornell and Princeton are Ivies in the top 20. (I don't believe this was posted before)

[www.insidelacrosse.com] < slideshow
[www.insidelacrosse.com] <-- starts with last slide, #1 Yale, just click the left arrow to count backwards

1. Yale
2. Virgina
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Hopkins
6. Cornell
7. Loyola
8. Marquette
9. Notre Dame
10 Syracuse
11 Lehigh
12 Albany
13 Denver
14 UMass
15 Princton
16 UNC
17 Penn State
18 Rutgers
19 Robbie Morris
20 Villanova

Christian Swezey
[Cornell] 13-5, lost in NCAA quarterfinals The Big Red led the nation in shooting percentage (38%) and bring back nine of the top 10 scorers, including junior Jeff Teat (37G,62A) and senior Clarke Petterson (44G). Back on defense is senior Fleet Wallace and a goalie who went 5-0 in his starts. There also is a rumor of a record-breaking face-off specialist [TD Ierlan] possibly being added to the mix as a transfer. The Big Red are a dark horse to win the national title in 2019, if all breaks right. The only shadow is the loss to Maryland in the quarterfinals last year; in that game the Big Red looked undercooked, gimmicky and completely out of their depth.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - new Colgate coach Matt Karweck (not what you think)
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 03:12AM

[gocolgateraiders.com]
Colgate PR
"HAMILTON – Matt Karweck, an eight-year assistant coach in the Division I ranks, including the last six seasons at Notre Dame, is the new Colgate men's lacrosse head coach."

Not the same as our Matt Kerwick. Who is director of lax at IMG Academy.
[www.collegecrosse.com]

Ben DeLuca '91, whose fall 2013 firing led to Kerwick being elevated to Cornell head coach, and whose (Kerwick) departure led to Peter Millman taking over, is (DeLuca) in his second year at Delaware.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 11:38AM

billhoward
From Christian Swezey, Inside Lacrosse. This was done back in June when it was uncertain where Albany's FOGO would go. Yale, Cornell and Princeton are Ivies in the top 20. (I don't believe this was posted before)

[www.insidelacrosse.com] < slideshow
[www.insidelacrosse.com] <-- starts with last slide, #1 Yale, just click the left arrow to count backwards

1. Yale
2. Virgina
3. Maryland
4. Duke
5. Hopkins
6. Cornell
7. Loyola
8. Marquette
9. Notre Dame
10 Syracuse
11 Lehigh
12 Albany
13 Denver
14 UMass
15 Princton
16 UNC
17 Penn State
18 Rutgers
19 Robbie Morris
20 Villanova

Christian Swezey
[Cornell] 13-5, lost in NCAA quarterfinals The Big Red led the nation in shooting percentage (38%) and bring back nine of the top 10 scorers, including junior Jeff Teat (37G,62A) and senior Clarke Petterson (44G). Back on defense is senior Fleet Wallace and a goalie who went 5-0 in his starts. There also is a rumor of a record-breaking face-off specialist [TD Ierlan] possibly being added to the mix as a transfer. The Big Red are a dark horse to win the national title in 2019, if all breaks right. The only shadow is the loss to Maryland in the quarterfinals last year; in that game the Big Red looked undercooked, gimmicky and completely out of their depth.

Interesting that Yale, which lost 6 MLL draft picks, is still picked to be #1. And this was before the Ierlan transfer was announced! cry
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: underskill (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 11:48AM

as a very casual lacrosse fan (i.e. when Cornell is in the tournament) - how did Yale get so good recently? I remember people kept thinking Harvard would make a jump, but Yale seemed to come out of nowhere.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 02:40PM

underskill
as a very casual lacrosse fan (i.e. when Cornell is in the tournament) - how did Yale get so good recently? I remember people kept thinking Harvard would make a jump, but Yale seemed to come out of nowhere.
It's the Yale Corporation System. Also, Harvard-intenders maybe got scared off by Harvard's opposition to finals clubs. Maybe New Haven is going through a resurrection. Nah, skip that last one.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2018 08:41PM

shot clock rules could really change things up
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 09, 2018 10:07AM

underskill
as a very casual lacrosse fan (i.e. when Cornell is in the tournament) - how did Yale get so good recently? I remember people kept thinking Harvard would make a jump, but Yale seemed to come out of nowhere.

Here's one set of answers: http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-sp-yale-lacrosse-column-20180528-story.html.

There's also been more than a little bit of luck. Ben Reeves was "under recruited" and turned out better than expected. (Cornell has had its share of players like this: among recent classes, RP3 & Jake P. come to mind.) This spring TD Ierlan decided he wanted to transfer to a school with stronger academics than Albany, and the choice came down to following his younger brother to Cornell and being closer to home vs going to Yale. But Yale's coach Shay did a great job recruiting him. And besides, who wouldn't want the chance to be a key player on a NC team trying to repeat?

Meanwhile, Shay seems happy at Yale and unlikely to jump ship, as successful coaches at Brown and Cornell have done. OTOH, at least Cornell has suffered from coaching turnover and an AD who makes puzzling timing decisions -- to put it mildly -- regarding hiring and firing coaches. Notice, for example, that Cornell's last 3 HC's were all internal hires -- one after a successful coach jumped, one after another successful coach was fired late in the Fall Semester, and one after serving a year as an interim coach even though the former coach resigned in plenty of time to do a national search for a new coach without hurting recruiting with a coach who's future at the position was uncertain. Princeton, the other traditional Ivy power, had similar turnover when Bill Tierney left for Denver (rumored to be because of trouble with a new admissions regime), his replacement was fired 7 years later for elbowing an opposing player, and his replacement was interim HC for the rest of the season but then appointed HC. So Yale has risen to the top when the other Ivy teams most likely to challenge Yale have been undergoing coaching turmoil.

Part of Yale's rise has also been the culture Yale's players have fostered. Compare the Yale and Penn threads on Laxpower, and you'll see what I mean. From what I've read, Yale's culture is all encompassing. Even out of season the players have to post pictures of their meals, and the upperclassmen use this to police the diets of underclassmen and teach them that substituting Kind bars for Milky Ways does not make a healthy/athletic diet. Meanwhile, over on the Penn thread, posters complain about members of the lacrosse team being stuck up and acting entitled.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2018 10:35AM by Swampy.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: djk26 (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 09, 2018 01:31PM

Swampy
Even out of season the players have to post pictures of their meals, and the upperclassmen use this to police the diets of underclassmen and teach them that substituting Kind bars for Milky Ways does not make a healthy/athletic diet.

I can't argue with the results (I am still jealous of Yale's national championship), but ugh. That does not sound fun. Of course, I have never been part of an athletic team, so I imagine it wouldn't work at Yale (or anywhere else) unless all the players loved and respected each other.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 09, 2018 02:17PM

billhoward
Harvard-intenders maybe got scared off by Harvard's opposition to finals clubs.

Oh please. The Upper Class Twits of the Year at Harvard will remain as entitled, pampered, and clueless after that little PR stunt by the Harvard administration as Cantabs of yore. Or Yalies. Or Cornellians, for that matter. Snotty McCokespoon's great, great grandchildren will still be circle-jerking at Phillips Academy long after our bones have been ground into Soylent White for our own progeny.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: August 10, 2018 12:29AM

Just my opinion: the Yale worship is waaaayyy overdone. If Teat gets a little stronger and with some offensive adjustments I think they'll be looking up at us next season. They lost a lot of talent and what they have coming in won't replace it.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: August 10, 2018 08:32PM

djk26
Swampy
Even out of season the players have to post pictures of their meals, and the upperclassmen use this to police the diets of underclassmen and teach them that substituting Kind bars for Milky Ways does not make a healthy/athletic diet.

I can't argue with the results (I am still jealous of Yale's national championship), but ugh. That does not sound fun. Of course, I have never been part of an athletic team, so I imagine it wouldn't work at Yale (or anywhere else) unless all the players loved and respected each other.
it sounds less like hazing than mutual support so it didn't reflexively bug me

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: August 11, 2018 10:43AM

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Inside Lacrosse: It's Official: A Shot Clock is Coming to NCAA Men's Lacrosse; 'The Dive' Returns
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 12, 2018 11:23PM

jeff '84
[www.insidelacrosse.com]

Inside Lacrosse: It's Official: A Shot Clock is Coming to NCAA Men's Lacrosse; 'The Dive' Returns
It appears to target the upcoming season but still needs to get one more round of approval from the NCAA. Although the majority of coaches support the shot clock: 20 seconds to get the ball into the offensive end, at which point the 60-second shot clock kicks in. A shot on-goal (not at-goal) resets the clock. The dive refers to taking an athletic shot at the net where the attacker winds up inside the crease when he lands. If his direction of flight is not in the direction of the goal mouth and if he scores before touching down, the goal counts. Diving at the goal mouth will be rewarded with a one-minute personal foul penalty, as I read it.

NCAA press release
The NCAA Men’s Lacrosse Rules Committee has recommended both a visible 60-second shot clock on every possession and rules changes to allow offenses more flexibility around the crease beginning with the 2019 regular season.

If approved next month by the NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Committee, the shot clock will follow a 20-second clearing count, during which players must advance the ball across the midfield line with the over-and-back provision in effect.

The committee, which met this week in Indianapolis, made the proposal after several years of experimentation and discussion. In the annual rules survey, 62 percent of coaches indicated support for a shot clock on every possession, including 71 percent of Division I coaches.

“It was clear to the committee that the majority of the lacrosse community felt strongly that a shot clock was needed to properly manage today’s game,” said Rob Randall, chair of the committee and head coach at Nazareth. “In our discussions, we debated many different options and reviewed the experiments that took place in the fall. Ultimately, we believe our proposal will continue the evolution of our sport.”

All of the committee’s proposals will be distributed to the NCAA membership to collect feedback. The committee will view the comments and move its final proposals to PROP for review Sept. 12.

Under the proposal, a team will have 20 seconds to cross the midfield line when it gains possession in its defensive half of the field. If a team fails to clear the defensive half of the field, the ball is awarded to the opposing team. The referees will keep this time on the field, as they do currently.

After advancing the ball to the offensive half the visible 60-second shot clock will start. If the offensive team regains possession after satisfying the shot clock, such as with a save, rebound off goal, etc., [[i]no further explain of what the etceteras would be[/i]] the shot clock will reset to 60 seconds. If no shot is taken in the 60 seconds, the defending team will be awarded possession.

So the question for Cornell is, does this in any way help Jeff Teat, or does he need to keep lifting weights and/or find undetectable human growth hormones?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: margolism (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: August 13, 2018 09:45AM

I have to imagine that this rule change would lessen the impact of face offs to a certain extent, and benefit team defenses (since there would likely be fewer super long possessions.)

This rule change will likely impact Cornell's game quite a bit since they really took advantage of longer possessions and the extra pass.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: August 13, 2018 11:40AM

margolism
I have to imagine that this rule change would lessen the impact of face offs to a certain extent, and benefit team defenses (since there would likely be fewer super long possessions.)

This rule change will likely impact Cornell's game quite a bit since they really took advantage of longer possessions and the extra pass.

This is why I'm disappointed by the new rule: not because it disadvantages Cornell, but because it makes the game less attractive.

I really dislike the offensive/defensive platooning, especially when it makes the game stand still while teams substitute after a clear; I also dislike it because of the silly game one sometimes sees in which players fake being substituted. The 20 sec. clear and other adjustments could have addressed this.

The 60-second shot clock will reduce the number of extra passes (i.e., dilute the passing game), increase the prevalence of zone defenses, increase the likelihood of shut-off (as in SOT) defensive strategies, and put more emphasis on individual dodging, size, and strength. I consider all of these detrimental to the game.

Taking the subjectivity out of the existing shot-clock regulations is a good thing, but there are other ways to accomplish this.

Also, it seems more than a little self-contradictory to consider a "shot" for shot-clock purposes to be one that goes in, hits the GK, or hits the goal. But a "shot" for possession purposes (i.e., one in which possession goes to the team closest to where the "shot" goes out of bounds) is one that, in the judgement of the ref, was intended to go in and had a reasonable chance of doing so, whereas other throws -- such as a completed or errant "pass" behind the cage or in front of it, or an intended shot that never had a remote chance of going in -- are not. The criteria for what counts as a "shot" should be consistent.
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: August 14, 2018 10:14AM

Swampy
margolism
I have to imagine that this rule change would lessen the impact of face offs to a certain extent, and benefit team defenses (since there would likely be fewer super long possessions.)

This rule change will likely impact Cornell's game quite a bit since they really took advantage of longer possessions and the extra pass.

This is why I'm disappointed by the new rule: not because it disadvantages Cornell, but because it makes the game less attractive.

I really dislike the offensive/defensive platooning, especially when it makes the game stand still while teams substitute after a clear; I also dislike it because of the silly game one sometimes sees in which players fake being substituted. The 20 sec. clear and other adjustments could have addressed this.

The 60-second shot clock will reduce the number of extra passes (i.e., dilute the passing game), increase the prevalence of zone defenses, increase the likelihood of shut-off (as in SOT) defensive strategies, and put more emphasis on individual dodging, size, and strength. I consider all of these detrimental to the game.

Taking the subjectivity out of the existing shot-clock regulations is a good thing, but there are other ways to accomplish this.

Also, it seems more than a little self-contradictory to consider a "shot" for shot-clock purposes to be one that goes in, hits the GK, or hits the goal. But a "shot" for possession purposes (i.e., one in which possession goes to the team closest to where the "shot" goes out of bounds) is one that, in the judgement of the ref, was intended to go in and had a reasonable chance of doing so, whereas other throws -- such as a completed or errant "pass" behind the cage or in front of it, or an intended shot that never had a remote chance of going in -- are not. The criteria for what counts as a "shot" should be consistent.
The inconsistency likely comes down to how easy it is to fake an errant shot for shot clock purposes when you have someone in position to keep possession. "Pass or shot" is generally not a tough call. "Real shot or Reset-Trigger Shot" would be.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: CU77 (---.wireless.ucsb.edu)
Date: August 16, 2018 06:23PM

I agree with Swampy that this is bad for the game and bad for Cornell.

On the plus side, here's a nice article on the team & PM from US Lacrosse:

[www.uslaxmagazine.com]
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: August 17, 2018 10:35AM

I thought the new rule was you get to keep the ball when shooting for the duration of the shot clock but it wont reset unless it hits goalie or net, so just taking shots wont let you keep the ball.

i think its great for the game.. it will force teams to play faster hopefully cause more unsettled play and players taking shots before they are ready again causing more unsettled play.

anything that makes the faceoffs more valuable and also less dominating is great.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2019 - 2019 preview top 20
Posted by: CU77 (---.wireless.ucsb.edu)
Date: August 17, 2018 08:22PM

IMO, players taking shots before they are ready does not make for a fun game to watch.
 
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