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Men's Basketball (2017-2018)

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Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: May 27, 2017 07:52AM

It's time to start a "Men's Basketball (2017-2018)" thread.

Incoming recruits.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: May 30, 2017 11:00AM

It's an interesting class. All of the six could be useful contributors, though the odds are that it won't "click" at the D1 level for at least one. Julian, Kuhn, and Voss could help with rebounding; Boeheim and Knapp look like potential 3pt snipers (though Knapp may need a year to get up to speed the same way Eitan did); and McBride was a combo guard at a high level in high school ball.

The downside is that there is nobody who looks like a potential All-Ivy player, which probably puts our class as no better than 6th in the league along with Brown and Dartmouth. Here's hoping Coach Earl has found some guys who fit in his system.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 30, 2017 02:52PM

The way the release is written, everybody sounds fabulous. We could start five newcomers and win the Ivy tournament.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: June 02, 2017 11:10PM

mountainred
It's an interesting class. All of the six could be useful contributors, though the odds are that it won't "click" at the D1 level for at least one. Julian, Kuhn, and Voss could help with rebounding; Boeheim and Knapp look like potential 3pt snipers (though Knapp may need a year to get up to speed the same way Eitan did); and McBride was a combo guard at a high level in high school ball.

The downside is that there is nobody who looks like a potential All-Ivy player, which probably puts our class as no better than 6th in the league along with Brown and Dartmouth. Here's hoping Coach Earl has found some guys who fit in his system.

McBride could be a sleeper. He played very respectably on a top-tier team loaded with talent. His respectable-but-not-breathtaking numbers probably reflect the overall quality of his teammates. Obviously college will be more challenging than high school, but after he acclimates he could surprise.

Also, I'd choose balance over having a single all-star. We'll just have to see how this group stacks up as a group. Did you make a comparison against the recruiting classes of the other five teams, or are you just guessing they've all recruited at least one potential All-Ivy?
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (50.106.176.---)
Date: June 04, 2017 05:30PM

Swampy
mountainred
It's an interesting class. All of the six could be useful contributors, though the odds are that it won't "click" at the D1 level for at least one. Julian, Kuhn, and Voss could help with rebounding; Boeheim and Knapp look like potential 3pt snipers (though Knapp may need a year to get up to speed the same way Eitan did); and McBride was a combo guard at a high level in high school ball.

The downside is that there is nobody who looks like a potential All-Ivy player, which probably puts our class as no better than 6th in the league along with Brown and Dartmouth. Here's hoping Coach Earl has found some guys who fit in his system.

McBride could be a sleeper. He played very respectably on a top-tier team loaded with talent. His respectable-but-not-breathtaking numbers probably reflect the overall quality of his teammates. Obviously college will be more challenging than high school, but after he acclimates he could surprise.

Also, I'd choose balance over having a single all-star. We'll just have to see how this group stacks up as a group. Did you make a comparison against the recruiting classes of the other five teams, or are you just guessing they've all recruited at least one potential All-Ivy?

I hope you are right on McBride. He was the 5th option on a team where his teammates are headed to UCLA, Ariz. St., San Diego St., plus maybe the top recruit in the country next year. I have no doubt he's talented, but is he a stud on a team of max-level studs, or a good player who is picking up stats because he isn't a focus and gets matched up with the other team's worst starter? Here is the ESPN bottom line: "McBride is a solid looking prospect and if he continues to work on his all around skill set and savvy, he should be able to play at the next level."

As far as the the other Ivies, I have a decent idea of who is going where, though I am not claiming to be a scout. Columbia has the top-ranked recruit in PF/C Jaron Faulds; he is a four star recruit according to ESPN. Princeton has a pair of ESPN three stars (Sebastian Much and Jerome Desrosiers) and a two star. Penn has a three star in Jelani Williams and a two star. Harvard has a three star and a two star, plus a kid from Canada who is said to be very good. Yale has a two star guard, Dartmouth a pair of two star players, and Brown a two star forward. In retrospect, I may have oversold the Elis, but James Jones normally gets the max out of his team.

Meanwhile, McBride is Cornell's highest rated recruit where he is one of the four guys ESPN gives one star (not Voss or Julian). Stars aren't everything (ESPN had Galal Cancer as a two star recruit and Shonn Miller as just a one), but they are an impartial, if subjective, way to measure recruiting classes. And in hoops, I would rather have one difference-maker, such as Shonn Miller, than four solid players, though Coach Earl may disagree.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: June 06, 2017 09:24PM

Just saw on Twitter that David Onourah will play next year as a grad student at UConn. Nice opportunity for him to use his athleticism to add defense and rebounding in what I assume will be a reserve role.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: June 07, 2017 02:37PM

scoop85
Just saw on Twitter that David Onourah will play next year as a grad student at UConn. Nice opportunity for him to use his athleticism to add defense and rebounding in what I assume will be a reserve role.

Thanks Scoop. I was hoping -- without good reason -- that he disappeared so he could save a year of eligibility for us. Can't fault him for having UConn pay for a year of grad school.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 07, 2017 03:34PM

scoop85
Just saw on Twitter that David Onourah will play next year as a grad student at UConn. Nice opportunity for him to use his athleticism to add defense and rebounding in what I assume will be a reserve role.
Reserves count toward the team GPA as much as the starting five. More, in some ways.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: rss77 (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: June 14, 2017 10:14PM

Not sure what UConn sees in Onourah. He was not a good player at the Ivy League level and really did not evolve as a player during his time at Cornell. Wish him well though
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: June 15, 2017 11:29AM

rss77
Not sure what UConn sees in Onourah. He was not a good player at the Ivy League level and really did not evolve as a player during his time at Cornell. Wish him well though

David was always a decent rebounder and shot blocker, even if his offensive game never came around. UConn graduated all three of their starting front court players and doesn't have a lot of returning players. I bet David can give the Huskies some solid minutes off the bench, especially while their freshmen learn the game.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2017 08:16PM by mountainred.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 16, 2017 03:12PM

mountainred
rss77
Not sure what UConn sees in Onourah. He was not a good player at the Ivy League level and really did not evolve as a player during his time at Cornell. Wish him well though

David was always a decent rebounder and shot blocker, even if his offensive game never came around. UConn graduated all three of their starting front court players and doesn't have a lot of returning players. I bet David can give the Huskies some solid minutes off the bench, especially while their freshman learn the game.
A good, smart defensive rotation player for a year is worth a roster spot.

 
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Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018) 0-1 start
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 19, 2017 12:01PM

Cornell opens the season on the road, against Syracuse. Cornell is 0-22 vs. the Orange at the Carrier Dome. Men's Basketball To Open The 2017-18 Season At Syracuse
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: October 20, 2017 09:12AM

Men's Hoops get their first commitment of the new season: 6-9 PF/C Kobe Dickson from Holcomb, Kansas. Kobe helped lead his team to a KS state title (mid-sized schools) last year, though it looks like he was the "defensive/rebounding forward" while a now-graduated teammate was the scoring forward. I like recruits who come from winning programs, especially in states that care deeply about basketball. On the other hand, it looks like Cornell was his only D1 offer, though he had interest from Air Force and D2 power Washburn. He should help fill a need, but the recruiting arms race in the Ivies is getting tougher (Princeton has a commitment from ESPN's #99 overall recruit, for instance).
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: October 24, 2017 01:30PM

KenPom has published their initial set of ratings. The model says 12-16, 6-8 which would be good for a tie with Columbia for 5th. Of course, Cornell has only scheduled 27 games -- KenPom lists a game at Nebraska/Omaha that isn't on the Cornell schedule.

Things can change, but every out of conference game is winnable except for @Syracuse and @Auburn. Okay, those are "winnable," but very unlikely.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: November 05, 2017 10:51AM

Men's hoops beat SUNY-Cortland in a full exhibition game yesterday 96-70, which is encouraging considering two regulars (Stone Gettings, Troy Whitehead) didn't play. No broadcast that I can find, so my thoughts are all from the box score.

Matt Morgan against a D3 defense isn't fair. Matt had 25 points in 23 minutes (off the bench for some reason) on 75% shooting. The last Cornellian to average 20 points a game was Ken Bantum in '84-'85. Morgan could be the next.
Wil Bathurst looks to be the PG. He played the most minutes and put up a very solid line of 14P-7A-6R, with just two turnovers (plus a steal and a block). Assuming Stone and Troy aren't seriously hurt, Wil's play could decide if the Big Red gets to .500.
Josh Warren and Steven Julian both started the exhibition; Warren had 10P-5A, Julian 7P-7R. Julian will likely be the newcomer who makes the biggest impact.
Boeheim and Gordon were the other two starters. Neither had a great game, but both look to start the season in the rotation.
The remaining freshman all got double digit minutes. Kuhn had 10 points and a pair of offensive rebounds. Voss and Knapp hit all their shots. McBride had a pair assists. It will be interesting to see if any of the four can force his way into the rotation.

Overall, the Big Red shot well (62% and 50% from 3) and moved the ball well (21 assists on 37 FGs). Only 4 offensive rebounds against a D3 school is a worry, as were the 12 turnovers compared to just 2 steals. The season opens for real Friday at Syracuse. The first home game is Monday night vs. Bingo.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: November 13, 2017 08:53PM

Cornell had their customary annual blowout loss to Syracuse to start the D-I season over the weekend but evened their record with a 94-84 win over Binghamton.

 
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Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (50.110.63.---)
Date: November 13, 2017 09:14PM

The Big Red led by 18 with six minutes to go, but Bingo was stubborn. To their credit, the Big Red hit their free throws down the stretch (12 of 14) so the result was never really in doubt.

If Morgan stays healthy, he's going to have an insane stat line. He had 26 tonight with 8 rebounds. Gettings came off the bench for 16 and Steve Julian had 10 points and 11 rebounds.

Cornell will be the underdog at Colgate on Thursday, then a trio of tossups: @UMass-Lowell, home with Toledo and @Duquesne.

In other league news, Dartmouth's best player decided to quit the team the day before the season started. He'll graduate early and play two years somewhere else.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/13/2017 09:26PM by mountainred.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: November 13, 2017 10:33PM

mountainred

In other league news, Dartmouth's best player decided to quit the team the day before the season started. He'll graduate early and play two years somewhere else.

Rather strange, especially considering that Boudreaux’s father (and possible both parents) are Dartmouth alumns.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: November 14, 2017 12:28AM

scoop85
mountainred

In other league news, Dartmouth's best player decided to quit the team the day before the season started. He'll graduate early and play two years somewhere else.

Rather strange, especially considering that Boudreaux’s father (and possible both parents) are Dartmouth alumns.
Kinda feel like "played for a few years and got a degree" is all the parents need and now maybe the kid can get a scholarship for grad school.

 
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Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: semsox (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: November 14, 2017 08:13AM

scoop85
mountainred

In other league news, Dartmouth's best player decided to quit the team the day before the season started. He'll graduate early and play two years somewhere else.

Rather strange, especially considering that Boudreaux’s father (and possible both parents) are Dartmouth alumns.

This can cut both ways if he was never really crazy about Dartmouth, but went out of a perceived obligation.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: November 14, 2017 09:08AM

semsox
scoop85
mountainred

In other league news, Dartmouth's best player decided to quit the team the day before the season started. He'll graduate early and play two years somewhere else.

Rather strange, especially considering that Boudreaux’s father (and possible both parents) are Dartmouth alumns.

This can cut both ways if he was never really crazy about Dartmouth, but went out of a perceived obligation.

Both parents are grads and Evan's mother is on the Board of Trustees there. There had been rumblings he wasn't happy last season -- the coach who recruited Evan was fired before the season started -- but the timing is brutal.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (184.13.127.---)
Date: November 16, 2017 08:52PM

'gate with a 72-61 win. The Big Red just couldn't shoot, 5-27 from behind the arc. Morgan gets 23 and is now in the all-time top 20 in scoring at Cornell.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: November 19, 2017 03:04PM

Troubling loss at UMass-Lowell 98-78. 22 Cornell turnovers. 25 UML second chance points and 52 UML points in the paint. Ugh.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: November 19, 2017 04:04PM

mountainred
Troubling loss at UMass-Lowell 98-78. 22 Cornell turnovers. 25 UML second chance points and 52 UML points in the paint. Ugh.

Yes, troubling is the right word. I would’ve thought we’d be improving, and I’m not sure we’re seeing that.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: November 19, 2017 04:47PM

mountainred
Troubling loss at UMass-Lowell 98-78. 22 Cornell turnovers. 25 UML second chance points and 52 UML points in the paint. Ugh.

Earl needs to bring in a good sized center in his next recruiting class.
 
Re: Men's Basketball (2017-2018)
Posted by: mountainred (50.110.9.---)
Date: November 19, 2017 05:09PM

scoop85
mountainred
Troubling loss at UMass-Lowell 98-78. 22 Cornell turnovers. 25 UML second chance points and 52 UML points in the paint. Ugh.

Yes, troubling is the right word. I would’ve thought we’d be improving, and I’m not sure we’re seeing that.

I'm not either. Four games into year 2 is way too early to panic, but it is not too be early to be concerned. And I'm that.
 

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