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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Lehigh-Princeton
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 16, 2017 03:36AM

upprdeck
hard to understand this team sometimes.. but still losing 80% of the faceoffs is usually something you cant overcome.

And, I doubt they will ever be a top 10 (20?) team unless they get this FO gremlin figured out; regardless of how many records the freshmen set.

help
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Lehigh-Princeton
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 16, 2017 08:54AM

dont lose the late 2 goal leads vs penn and uv and they are 6-5 and on the edge of making the tourney. some pretty big programs are going to struggle to get in this year like UNC and virg will not be going. Had JH lost yesterday they probably wouldnt have made it and they are ranked.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 16, 2017 09:19AM

harvard losing to penn really creates chaos in the ivy

penn 2-3 with dartmouth left let so they probably get to 3-3
cornell - brown play this week if cornell wins brown probably ends 3-3 with dart left
if cornell loses to princeton it ends 3-3

thats a 3 way tie for 3rd-4th all will have lost to yale and princeton and all split the series with each other

if cornell loses to brown and beats princeton they are probably out unless harvard beats them too
then you could end up with
yale
brown
cu 3-3
penn 3-3
princeton 3-3

and if harvard beats yale 3-3

4 way tie for 4th
and a dartmouth upset vs brown makes it a 5 way tie.

is the rule still the tie breaker after the h2h and thplay against top teams in order a random draw?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Lehigh-Princeton
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 16, 2017 01:40PM

Wins over both Brown and Princeton guarantee Cornell the #2 seed in the ILT. Lose either game, and Cornell needs help. In particular, a lost to Brown on Saturday, coupled with wins by Penn over Dartmouth and Princeton over Harvard (both likely), would leave Cornell out of the ILT, which would be Yale, Princeton, Brown, Penn.

I've posted a complete list of all 64 possible outcomes for the remaining 6 Ivy games, and the resulting ILT seeds, at laxpower:
[network.laxpower.com]
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - CU 16 Lehigh 11 (F)
Posted by: mountainred (50.110.58.---)
Date: April 16, 2017 07:59PM

On laxpower, CU 77 ran though all of the scenarios. [network.laxpower.com] It looks like: if Cornell beats Brown, the worst that can happen is a three way tie for third with Brown and Penn that would be broken by random draw. CU77, if I got that wrong, please correct me. And thanks for crunching the numbers.

I'm not sure how I missed the post right above mine.smashfreak Thanks for not pointing out my stupidity.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/17/2017 03:53PM by mountainred.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - CU 16 Lehigh 11 (F)
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 16, 2017 11:28PM

Yes, that's correct, but the random-draw for #3 is the most likely outcome if Cornell does not also beat Princeton. Other outcomes require a Dartmouth win over either Brown or Penn (or both), which is not going to happen.

In the random-draw scenario, Cornell has a 1/3 chance for seed #3, a 1/3 chance for seed #4, and a 1/3 chance to be left out entirely.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Lehigh-Princeton
Posted by: nshapiro (192.148.195.---)
Date: April 17, 2017 10:35AM

CU77
Yes, that's correct, but the random-draw for #3 is the most likely outcome if Cornell does not also beat Princeton. Other outcomes require a Dartmouth win over either Brown or Penn (or both), which is not going to happen.

In the random-draw scenario, Cornell has a 1/3 chance for seed #3, a 1/3 chance for seed #4, and a 1/3 chance to be left out entirely.

In the Laxpower forum, you said that after the #3 seed is chosen, the #4 seed would be selected based on head-to-head result from remaining tied teams. This can be inferred from the criteria you posted...

3. In the case of a multiple tie that cannot be broken on the basis of review of cumulative record against all other teams tied at that spot:

a. The higher seed will go to the team that has beaten the highest seeded team outside of the tie.

b. Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the tie between the remaining seeds shall be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

c. This procedure will be completed until all ties are broken. ?

4. If a tie still persists, it will be broken by a random draw conducted by the Executive Director....

but it does not explicitly have subparagraphs a, b, and c under criteria 4 like it does under criteria 3.?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/17/2017 10:49AM by nshapiro.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Lehigh-Princeton
Posted by: CU77 (---.wireless.ucsb.edu)
Date: April 17, 2017 07:47PM

According to people I consulted who are familiar with Ivy procedures, we revert to the earlier tiebreakers when possible.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 18, 2017 08:17PM

Yale sports site knows where the first round of the Ivy Lacrosse Tournament is being played.

 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: April 18, 2017 09:20PM

Brown nipped Providence 13-12 in double OT tonight at Providence.

Some strange stats: Brown wins the faceoff battle, 21-8; Providence outshoots Brown 57-37

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 19, 2017 01:44AM

billhoward
Yale sports site knows where the first round of the Ivy Lacrosse Tournament is being played.
But they can't figure out that the championship is also being played there??
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 19, 2017 01:45AM

Al DeFlorio
Brown nipped Providence 13-12 in double OT tonight at Providence.

Some strange stats: Brown wins the faceoff battle, 21-8; Providence outshoots Brown 57-37
Those are pretty strange.

Beating Brown in Providence on Saturday is a tall order, but Cornell is very likely out of the ILT without that win ...
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2017 08:56AM

CU77
billhoward
Yale sports site knows where the first round of the Ivy Lacrosse Tournament is being played.
But they can't figure out that the championship is also being played there??
I know the sports information staff is overworked and some work-study intern didn't change the "TBD" in both places. But still, this same kid will graduate law school, forget to include a comma in a contract, and $100 million in payments goes the opposite of what's intended.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2017 12:41PM

When was the Brown game moved from 1pm to 4pm?

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: April 19, 2017 01:10PM

Nice that its on ESPN3 for streaming
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2017 01:28PM

upprdeck
Nice that its on ESPN3 for streaming
Not so nice for those of us who were planning to go if that's why the start time changed.pissed

 
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Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.scansafe.net)
Date: April 19, 2017 11:37PM

Al DeFlorio
upprdeck
Nice that its on ESPN3 for streaming
Not so nice for those of us who were planning to go if that's why the start time changed.pissed

And totally frustrating to those of us stuck on a plane somewhere over the Canadian arctic.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/19/2017 11:39PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Ivy tournament location
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: April 20, 2017 12:05PM

Al DeFlorio
upprdeck
Nice that its on ESPN3 for streaming
Not so nice for those of us who were planning to go if that's why the start time changed.pissed

Disagree, I couldn't go at the earlier time, but now I can attend in person.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: April 22, 2017 04:32PM

Brown announcers, as always, are jackasses.

 
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Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 04:32PM

End of 1 Q, Brown leads 5-4. Cornell has lost EVERY faceoff, as that situation has become almost comical. Cornell's offense looks very sharp, and if we can even win 25% of the faceoffs it's a game that can be won.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 22, 2017 04:34PM

missed a 2ft shot are they would be tied after one. at this rate 10% of the draws would be enough.. can they get to 30%?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 04:34PM

Al DeFlorio
Brown announcers, as always, are jackasses.

The PBP guy is that guy who also does their hockey. Not the worst out there, but certainly no comparison to the fine Harvard announcers who are a pleasure to listen to.

Brown wins the 2nd Q faceoff. Brown is now 11 for 11
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 04:50PM

If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??

bang
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 04:52PM

Johnny 5
If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??

bang

It's certainly trending that way
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 04:55PM

scoop85
Johnny 5
If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??

bang

It's certainly trending that way

Seriously, what's the solution? Maybe have an open tryout for the entire male student body? panic
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 05:00PM

7-6 Brown at the half -- without us winning a single faceoff. I've never seen anything like that.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 22, 2017 05:03PM

even worse the few TOs they have committed have just been on awful passes otherwise they might be leading..
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 05:08PM

upprdeck
even worse the few TOs they have committed have just been on awful passes otherwise they might be leading..

True, but overall I have no real quibble with our offense is playing. We're pretty efficient considering how few touches we've gotten in the offensive end. And given how much defense we're playing, I think we've done decently on that end.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 22, 2017 05:11PM

they have to win now to get in to the tourney, still as solid shot today. any kind of faceoff game and they win this game
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 05:23PM

upprdeck
they have to win now to get in to the tourney, still as solid shot today. any kind of faceoff game and they win this game

Now 10-7 game mid-3Q. We're starting to turnover the ball and Brown is capitalizing.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 05:48PM

2 in a row by Teat.
This kid is earning his keep.


banana
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 05:48PM

We're actually winning some faceoffs now but the Brown goalie has gotten hot. However we're within 2 goals at 12-10 with 7:44 left
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: dag14 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 05:49PM

12-10 with 7:30 to go. Decent shots but unlucky bounces as well as unforced TOs
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 06:08PM

13-10 final. We actually won a number of faceoffs, but Brown's goalie got hot just when we began peppering him with shots. Knight played well too. We also had too many turnovers. Disappointing result, but we're heading in the right direction. Now we have no chance for Ivy tournament; the Penn loss ultimately killed us.

Despite it all, the outlook heading into next season seems bright. It will be interesting to see if Knight comes back, as he missed last season with an injury and could likely petition the league for a medical redshirt season if he for any reason isn't graduating this year.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 06:09PM

scoop85
scoop85
Johnny 5
If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??

bang

It's certainly trending that way

Seriously, what's the solution? Maybe have an open tryout for the entire male student body? panic

Maybe include women??

thud
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 06:15PM

Johnny 5
scoop85
scoop85
Johnny 5
If Cornell is shut out at the X for the entire game do they set a record??

bang

It's certainly trending that way

Seriously, what's the solution? Maybe have an open tryout for the entire male student body? panic

Maybe include women??

Well the women's lax team choked away an 11-9 lead in last 2:40 to lose to Princeton 12-11 in OT; game-tying goal was scored with 2.9 seconds left. So, there's that.




thud
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 22, 2017 06:22PM


 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU2007 (---.sub-174-228-139.myvzw.com)
Date: April 23, 2017 12:23PM

Can someone in the know tell me how the recruiting looks for next year and on down the line? Is there reason to be optimistic Cornell can be a top flight team again in the next few years?

Thanks
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 23, 2017 04:17PM

Recruiting is not the problem, the problem is coaching the recruits into an effective team.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 23, 2017 04:17PM

CU2007
Can someone in the know tell me how the recruiting looks for next year and on down the line? Is there reason to be optimistic Cornell can be a top flight team again in the next few years?

Thanks

Since you asked:

The next two classes look quite good, and I think next year's incoming class is especially strong. The four most acclaimed guys are midfielder Matt Licciardi from Long Island, defenseman Andrew Fowler from the D.C. area, attackman Billy Coyle from Philly, and midfielder Jonathan Donville from Ontario who is playing this year for Deerfield Academy. Licciardi is a do-it-all kid who's small but has great skills and smarts. I've seen him play twice and he's quite impressive. Donville is the younger brother of former Cornell goalie Brennan Donville, and he played on the Canadian U-19 team wth current Cornellians Buhlen, Teat and Petterson. There are a number of other well-regarded players in the class, including middie Harrison Bardwell, attachmen John Pocatelli and Joe Wolf, and defenseman Dominic Doria, who was formerly a Navy commit.

In the 2018 class the top-ranked guy (and of course the "rankings" are just some guy's opinions) is Jake Stevens, a Canadian midfielder who plays for prep powerhouse Culver Military Academy. Some other interesting players in that class include Nico Ragaini, a midfielder from Connecticut who's also a standout football player, goalie Chase Ierlan from NY powerhouse Victor, and Max Fields, a defenseman from Massachusetts.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/23/2017 04:21PM by scoop85.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: April 24, 2017 01:20PM

this team is not that far way from competing right now. That being said you cant lost 20 faceoffs in a row. If Teat gets bigger so he can create under pressure he will be really good
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: April 24, 2017 01:34PM

upprdeck
this team is not that far way from competing right now. That being said you cant lost 20 faceoffs in a row. If Teat gets bigger so he can create under pressure he will be really good

Agreed. Lots of hand-wringing on the Laxpower thread, and I don't know if Kerwick is the "guy" who can return the team to national prominence. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I think next season will be a better read on his coaching and leadership ability, as most of our top players will be sophomores and juniors. In my mind we should be at minimum 4-2 in the Ivy League and reach the Ivy League tournament final. Anything less and I think the Kerwick critics may be vindicated.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: underskill (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 24, 2017 01:50PM

it's not like Cornell is going to pay top dollar for a couch anyways, so best to let Kerwick get a couple full recruiting classes in, then see where things are at w/the program. Worse comes to worse a new coach takes over a team loaded with upperclassmen in a couple years.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 24, 2017 02:25PM

scoop85
... I'm willing to give [Kerwick] the benefit of the doubt, and I think next season will be a better read on his coaching and leadership ability, as most of our top players will be sophomores and juniors. In my mind we should be at minimum 4-2 in the Ivy League and reach the Ivy League tournament final. Anything less and I think the Kerwick critics may be vindicated.
These are not bold steps for Cornell lacrosse.

Cornell had the #1 recruit incoming. Princeton may have the #1 freshman in Michael Sowers (#10 on the recruits list), 33-37--70 points in 13 games. Not that Jeff Teat is doing badly at 28-32--60 in 12. (Rob Pannell had 65.)
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: nshapiro (192.148.195.---)
Date: April 25, 2017 12:22PM

Is there some reason that Cornell only plays 13 games, but Princeton and Brown play 14?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 26, 2017 02:26AM

The number of non-league games depends on what the coaches prefer, and available opponents.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - vs. Princeton
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 28, 2017 02:56PM

Not a single post about the season-ending game with Princeton. That says words.

Jeff Teat is going to finish with about 65 points, what Rob Pannell had freshman year when he got to play four NCAA tournament games. Pannell was first-team All-Ivy, third-team All-America. Interesting to see how Teat fares.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - Tewaaraton list
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 28, 2017 03:03PM

The 50 pre-season players on the Tewaaraton watch list was cut to 25 Friday. Three Ivy attackmen on the list but not Teat. [www.insidelacrosse.com]

Nick Aponte, Penn State - Sr., Attack
Trevor Baptiste, Denver - Jr., Face-off
Jack Bruckner, Duke - Sr., Attack
Josh Byrne, Hofstra - Sr., Attack
Connor Cannizzaro, Denver - Sr., Attack
Jack Concannon, Hofstra - Jr., Goalie
Zach Currier, Princeton - Sr., Midfield
Connor Fields, Albany - Jr., Attack
Nick Fields, Johns Hopkins - Sr., Defense
Jake Froccaro, Villanova - Sr., Midfield
Justin Guterding, Duke - Jr., Attack
Colin Heacock, Maryland - Sr., Attack
Nick Mariano, Syracuse - Sr., Midfield
Dylan Molloy, Brown - Sr., Attack
Sergio Perkovic, Notre Dame - Sr., Midfield
Benny Pugh, Richmond - Sr., Goalie
Matt Rambo, Maryland - Sr., Attack
Ben Reeves, Yale - Jr., Attack
Sergio Salcido, Syracuse - Sr., Midfield
John Sexton, Notre Dame - Jr., Long Stick Midfield
Michael Sowers, Princeton - Fr., Attack
Patrick Spencer, Loyola - Soph., Attack
Joel Tinney, Johns Hopkins - Jr., Midfield
Zed Williams, Virginia - Sr., Attack
Jake Withers, Ohio State - Sr., Face-off
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - vs. Princeton
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 29, 2017 06:44AM

billhoward
Not a single post about the season-ending game with Princeton. That says words.

I figured that folks would get tired of my pissing and moaning about the faceoff situation.

deadhorse

P.S. But, have I mentioned lately how much I can't stand Syracuse (add the name of any sport)?

flipa
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Swampy (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 29, 2017 02:32PM

underskill
it's not like Cornell is going to pay top dollar for a couch anyways, so best to let Kerwick get a couple full recruiting classes in, then see where things are at w/the program. Worse comes to worse a new coach takes over a team loaded with upperclassmen in a couple years.

AN is not giving us any other choice. But a few things that can be fixed with good coaching are still broken.
  1. Faceoffs: OK, I get it. Our stud FOGO had a falling out with the coaches, so he left the team; now it's undermanned at this crucial position. But if you know you have a 70% chance of losing the faceoff, why do you allow your two wings to line up at the midfield stripe? Shouldn't one, or even sometimes both, line up at the defensive end of the side stripe?
  2. Unforced turnovers: it's amazing how amateurish the passing can be. If I were coach, 50% of practice would be spent on throwing and catching until the team cuts the UFTO's to an elite level. Rather than wait for the ball, players have to run to it to catch it. You don't throw the ball the length of the field when there's no good reason to do so. You don't throw the ball way above the receiver's head, as if you're a NFL quarterback throwing to a tight end.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - vs. Princeton
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 29, 2017 04:16PM

Teat with 8 pts at the half.. could be a monster game
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - 18 Princeton 17
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 29, 2017 05:24PM

Cornell leads by 6 in the third, holds on to win 18-17.

Jeff Teat with 12 points 5G 7A, best day of the season, 72 points on the year. Pannell had 65 as freshman. Princeton's stud freshman Michael Sowers was 4-3-7.

Sophomore Jake McCulloch took 9 shots: 2 went wide, 1 was saved, 6 went in. He had the first goal and the GWG with 2:24 to play.

Cornell got possession with about 2 minutes to play and the one-goal lead but didn't take a serious shot at the goal as the shot clock wound down. Princeton set up for a final shot. Jack Pulver of Cornell was flagged with about 10 seconds to play but a loose ball scrum developed and the play didn't stop until 2.3 seconds to play. On the restart, Yale got off one decent shot that Christian Knight saved.

No matter what the game stats say, it *seemed* like a bad day for Cornell on faceoffs and ground balls especially critical ground balls (read: the GBs we lost).

Stats:

GBs Princeton 40-33
FOs, Cornell 20x38 (that's what box score says).
TOs, Princeton 12, Cornell 9.
Saves, 10 for each.

Box score: [www.cornellbigred.com]

So Cornell ends 5-8 and would have been in the Ivy tournament had it not lost to Penn by 1 at midseason. Or actually gotten one more win from any other Ivy team, such as Brown last week.


Harvard beats Yale 9-8 so Princeton loses a chance for another Ivy title (tie with Yale).


Yale and Princeton were ranked 11 and 13 going in to this weekend. With losses by both, it looks more and more like only the tournament winner is going on.

Damn! Michael Sowers is the real deal as well. He's at 77 points on the year and should hit 80 with at least one more game (Friday's Ivy tournament).
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2017 06:27PM by billhoward.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 29, 2017 07:53PM

Another disappointing season, but it ends on a high note.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 30, 2017 07:33AM

CU77
Another disappointing season, but it ends on a high note.

"My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over!" ~ G. R. Ford

thud
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 30, 2017 08:59AM

The team that finished the year doesnt lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 30, 2017 11:24AM

upprdeck
The team that finished the year doesnt lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.

Cornell had six double-digit goal scorers (two freshman, three sophomores and one junior), who accounted for 124 of team's 152 goals. It would be nice if Knight gets another year of eligibility because of last year's injury. That, plus a faceoff stud.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 30, 2017 11:50AM

upprdeck
The team that finished the year doesnt lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.

Provided they solve their face-off problem.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: April 30, 2017 05:20PM

I don't see improvement happening under these coaches, but I will be happy to be proven wrong.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: May 01, 2017 06:58AM

Meanwhile the women are doing well, securing the #1 seed in the Ivy tourney.

However, I don't like the penalty rules in their game, the whole free position shot thing.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2017 07:47AM

Jim Hyla
Meanwhile the women are doing well, securing the #1 seed in the Ivy tourney.

However, I don't like the penalty rules in their game, the whole free position shot thing.

Agreed that there are too many whistles in the women's game that really stops the flow. Put helmets on the gals already and perhaps they will resolve that issue.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 07:57AM

upprdeck
The team that finished the year doesn't lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.
So we're agreed the coaches should not be hanged this year. (Lacrosse only; football, hockey, basketball could go either way.)
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2017 07:58AM

scoop85
Jim Hyla
Meanwhile the women are doing well, securing the #1 seed in the Ivy tourney.

However, I don't like the penalty rules in their game, the whole free position shot thing.

Agreed that there are too many whistles in the women's game that really stops the flow. Put helmets on the gals already and perhaps they will resolve that issue.

Or, move the game into the 21st century and let them play by the men's rules?
The women's game is more whistles than lacrosse. Insane.
I mean, if women can carry weapons into combat now....??
Elizabeth Cady Stanton is turning over.

rock
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 10:00AM

billhoward
upprdeck
The team that finished the year doesn't lose to Penn and Hobart. it started moving in the right direction , now can it take another step next year.
So we're agreed the coaches should not be hanged this year. (Lacrosse only; football, hockey, basketball could go either way.)

I wouldn't include basketball. Football is a make or break year in my opinion, finish at least 5-5 or time for a new staff.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 10:59AM

billhoward
So we're agreed the coaches should not be hanged this year. (Lacrosse only; football, hockey, basketball could go either way.)
Wait, what? Why are we hanging hockey coaches?
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 11:51AM

It's unlikely a coach at Cornell would get fired regardless of how poor their team's record is. Bill Courtney even was extended for a 6th year despite his team's losing record, which including a 2-26 season in his 4th year.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2017 12:53PM

CAS
It's unlikely a coach at Cornell would get fired regardless of how poor their team's record is. Bill Courtney even was extended for a 6th year despite his team's losing record, which including a 2-26 season in his 4th year.

True, but Tim Pendergast was let go as football coach after 3 years following a humiliating blowout at Penn
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 01:47PM

scoop85
CAS
It's unlikely a coach at Cornell would get fired regardless of how poor their team's record is. Bill Courtney even was extended for a 6th year despite his team's losing record, which including a 2-26 season in his 4th year.

True, but Tim Pendergast was let go as football coach after 3 years following a humiliating blowout at Penn

Correct.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 01:49PM

...of course that was way back in 2003.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 02:07PM

CAS
...of course that was way back in 2003.

Yes, but Andy was the AD then.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 02:18PM

Ken711
scoop85
CAS
It's unlikely a coach at Cornell would get fired regardless of how poor their team's record is. Bill Courtney even was extended for a 6th year despite his team's losing record, which including a 2-26 season in his 4th year.
True, but Tim Pendergast was let go as football coach after 3 years following a humiliating blowout at Penn
Correct.
The 59-7 blowout at Penn was preceded by six straight league losses to everyone else; in only two Ivy games did we score more than 7 points. And that was it for his head coaching career. Pendergast spent a year at Ithaca as an assistant coach in 2006. The last six years he's been director of football administration at UConn. Trying to recall how it was Pendergast came to Cornell when he had lots of assistant-coach experience but only one year as head coach at Hamilton and a 2-7 record. Does anyone remember what Cornell saw in Pendergast at the time? He wasn't the only person available? After Pendergast was dismissed, the first four finalists also said no thanks. Jim Knowles '87 finally took the job. Compared to that era, Jeff Archer has been a miracle worker.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 04:03PM

Fwiw, Pendergast had 5 Ivy wins in his 3 years at Cornell. Archer has 6 Ivy wins in 4 years.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2017 06:01PM

CAS
Fwiw, Pendergast had 5 Ivy wins in his 3 years at Cornell. Archer has 6 Ivy wins in 4 years.

But I think the trend with Archer is better, although slower than we would like. 2017 is certainly a critical year to show real improvement.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 06:14PM

CAS
Fwiw, Pendergast had 5 Ivy wins in his 3 years at Cornell. Archer has 6 Ivy wins in 4 years.
If you're drawing trendlines, Jeff Archer in year 3 would have had to win the opening game by 2 points *and* lose the entire Ivy slate while being held to 7 or less in the majority of them. Archer is also working to overturn Cornell's history of unsuccessful football, 60 years of it, with not one outright, unshared championship in 61 seasons.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 06:36PM

I hope Archer is successful, & gets the support from the university he needs. Just a reminder last year we went 2-5 in the Ivies, & lost 6 of our last 7 games.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/01/2017 06:46PM by CAS.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 07:31PM

billhoward
CAS
Fwiw, Pendergast had 5 Ivy wins in his 3 years at Cornell. Archer has 6 Ivy wins in 4 years.
If you're drawing trendlines, Jeff Archer in year 3 would have had to win the opening game by 2 points *and* lose the entire Ivy slate while being held to 7 or less in the majority of them. Archer is also working to overturn Cornell's history of unsuccessful football, 60 years of it, with not one outright, unshared championship in 61 seasons.

Dave Archer. I beg to differ a little. They were at least competitive under Jim Hofher in the early to mid 1990s.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - polls 5/1
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 01, 2017 10:14PM

[www.insidelacrosse.com] -- Maryland, Denver, Syracuse are 1-2-3 in the May 1 poll by USILA.

Harvard's win over Yale pushed Yale from 11 to 17. Cornell's win over Princeton pushed Princeton from 13 to 19. Neither Yale nor Harvard is going to the NCAAs without winning the Ivy tournament.

The poll has 3 Syracuse, 5 Albany, 14 Hofstra, 18 Army and HM Binghamton from NYS. So Cornell went the entire year without even a mention.

On to 2018.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - polls 5/1
Posted by: Johnny 5 (209.68.90.---)
Date: May 02, 2017 08:11AM

Any of these individuals looking at Cornell?

[www.maxpreps.com]

whistle
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - polls 5/1
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 02, 2017 10:49AM

Johnny 5
Any of these individuals looking at Cornell?

[www.maxpreps.com]

whistle

I give up. How do you win more faceoffs than you attempt? According to maxpreps.com, Trevor Douenias did it in 10 of 12 games, with an overall winning percentage of 141.4.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - polls 5/1
Posted by: Johnny 5 (209.68.90.---)
Date: May 02, 2017 10:56AM

George64
Johnny 5
Any of these individuals looking at Cornell?

[www.maxpreps.com]

whistle

I give up. How do you win more faceoffs than you attempt? According to maxpreps.com, Trevor Douenias did it in 10 of 12 games, with an overall winning percentage of 141.4.

Alternative facts? New math??

blush
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017 - polls 5/1
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 02, 2017 12:37PM

George64
Johnny 5
Any of these individuals looking at Cornell?
[www.maxpreps.com]
whistle
I give up. How do you win more faceoffs than you attempt? According to maxpreps.com, Trevor Douenias did it in 10 of 12 games, with an overall winning percentage of 141.4.
Perfect candidate for the new combined B-school where he can major in mutual fund prospectuses.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 04, 2017 07:28AM

Jeff Teat, second team All-Ivy!?
Was it the team's overall record?
Did he moon the selection committee??

screwy
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: May 05, 2017 02:16AM

Princeton's Gavin McBride, who leads all of DI in goals per game, got Honorable Mention.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: May 05, 2017 02:18AM

Nice composite of all of JT51's goals and assists in the Princeton game from Inside Lacrosse:

[www.instagram.com]
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (74.119.161.---)
Date: May 05, 2017 02:31AM

Johnny 5
Jeff Teat, second team All-Ivy!?
Was it the team's overall record?
Did he moon the selection committee??

screwy
[www.uslaxmagazine.com]

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 05, 2017 06:35AM

Al DeFlorio
Johnny 5
Jeff Teat, second team All-Ivy!?
Was it the team's overall record?
Did he moon the selection committee??

screwy
[www.uslaxmagazine.com]

That's more like it!
JT may not be the Rodney Dangerfield of lacrosse, after all?!

banana
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: May 07, 2017 09:18PM

Women's Lax beat Harvard in the Ivy semis but lost to Princeton in the final. I have no idea if they have a chance at an at-large bid. I don't even know how many teams make the NCAA tournament.

 
___________________________
Jokes and stuff
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 07, 2017 09:22PM

ugarte
Women's Lax beat Harvard in the Ivy semis but lost to Princeton in the final. I have no idea if they have a chance at an at-large bid. I don't even know how many teams make the NCAA tournament.

Yes, they get an at-large bid playing Notre Dame in 1st round at Princeton. If they win they would likely get a 3rd crack at Princeton
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: May 08, 2017 01:02AM

The Cornell-ND game is Friday, the winner plays #5 seed Princeton on Sunday.

Princeton has upped their game recently; they beat Penn 17-8 in the Ivy semis (after losing to them 3 weeks earlier 17-12), and then had leads of 7-1 and 10-3 over Cornell in the Ivy final before winning 12-9.

LGR!
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU77 (---.sb.sd.cox.net)
Date: May 08, 2017 01:07AM

The Ivy League is thinking of having the men's and women's lax tournaments at pre-determined sites starting next year, per an interview with Executive Director Robin Harris at halftime of today's men's final between Brown and Yale on ESPNU.

Yale won, 10-9, and is the only Ivy to get an NCAA bid; the Elis will play at #2 seed Syracuse next Sunday.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: sjact (---.sprjan.com)
Date: May 08, 2017 04:14PM

Kerwick out

[www.insidelacrosse.com]
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: May 08, 2017 04:25PM

sjact
Kerwick out

[www.insidelacrosse.com]
just came here to post this more ambiguous tweet.

 
___________________________
Jokes and stuff
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 08, 2017 06:44PM

sjact
Kerwick out

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: May 08, 2017 07:04PM

Ken711
sjact
Kerwick out

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.

From the article:


The release says Milliman will be interim coach through 2018 season.

That's next season, no?

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 08, 2017 07:21PM

Jim Hyla
Ken711
sjact
Kerwick out

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.

From the article:


The release says Milliman will be interim coach through 2018 season.

That's next season, no?

Yes one full lacrosse season spanning almost two years with the Summer, Fall and Winter workouts.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 08, 2017 08:38PM

Ken711
Jim Hyla
Ken711
sjact
Kerwick out

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.

From the article:


The release says Milliman will be interim coach through 2018 season.

That's next season, no?

Yes one full lacrosse season spanning almost two years with the Summer, Fall and Winter workouts.


Anybody have Max Seibald's phone number??

help
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: CU77 (---.wireless.ucsb.edu)
Date: May 08, 2017 09:17PM

This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?

Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: May 09, 2017 12:21AM

CU77
This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?

Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!

This.

"If it ain't wrestling, it's not a priority" is the message I get time and time again from this bozo. Who puts off a coaching search for a year??
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/09/2017 12:23AM by RichH.
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: May 09, 2017 06:58AM

Ken711
Jim Hyla
Ken711
sjact
Kerwick out

[www.insidelacrosse.com]

So Andy basically has given Milliman a two year try-out to see if can become the permanent head coach.....interesting. It didn't turn out so great when Kerwick was the interim coach following Deluca, hope it's better this time.

From the article:


The release says Milliman will be interim coach through 2018 season.

That's next season, no?

Yes one full lacrosse season spanning almost two years with the Summer, Fall and Winter workouts.

Isn't through the 2018 season 1 year from now? I've assumed that the summer, fall and winter workouts are part of the 2019 season. After all, the seniors won't be around to participate and in the fall you'll have new freshmen. I can't imagine they'll wait until just before games start in the spring of 2019 to announce a new coach.

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: semsox (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: May 09, 2017 07:32AM

CU77
This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?

Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!

I find the move bizarre as well. Not to say it can't or won't end well, but imagine a scenario where Milliman doesn't have the interim tag eventually removed. Not a pretty thought
 
Re: Cornell lacrosse 2017
Posted by: mountainred (69.43.54.---)
Date: May 09, 2017 09:08AM

semsox
CU77
This move makes no sense at all. Who is going to take Milliman's old job for one year? What recruit is going to come under these circumstances?

Just start a search for a permanent head coach NOW!!!

I find the move bizarre as well. Not to say it can't or won't end well, but imagine a scenario where Milliman doesn't have the interim tag eventually removed. Not a pretty thought

I don't get it either. Milliman has been in Ithaca for four years. If you are convinced he's the right guy, give him the job. If not, start the search. I guess this could be a ploy to keep a pretty solid recruiting class together, but it could wreck havoc with the next two years. Sure seems like it has more ways to end badly than end well.
 
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