Tough times for Cornell athletics
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Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 18, 2015 04:47PM
Football 1-9. Only win over Columbia. Columbia recently hired Al Bagnoli, winner of 9 Ivy titles at Penn.
Basketball 5-9 in Ivies w/senior dominated team. Winner of one third of its games in 5 years under Bill Courtney. Steve Donahue, who won 3 consecutive Ivy titles preceding Courtney's hiring, is now coaching Penn.
Hockey 11-14. 7th in ECAC. Bounced in 1st round of ECAC playoffs.
Lacrosse 3-2 in Ivies w/senior dominated team. On NCAA bubble.
Andy, are you out there somewhere???
Basketball 5-9 in Ivies w/senior dominated team. Winner of one third of its games in 5 years under Bill Courtney. Steve Donahue, who won 3 consecutive Ivy titles preceding Courtney's hiring, is now coaching Penn.
Hockey 11-14. 7th in ECAC. Bounced in 1st round of ECAC playoffs.
Lacrosse 3-2 in Ivies w/senior dominated team. On NCAA bubble.
Andy, are you out there somewhere???
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 18, 2015 05:19PM
Don't forget the condemned West Stands at Schoellkopf Field.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Towerroad (---.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 18, 2015 05:54PM
CAS
Football 1-9. Only win over Columbia. Columbia recently hired Al Bagnoli, winner of 9 Ivy titles at Penn.
Basketball 5-9 in Ivies w/senior dominated team. Winner of one third of its games in 5 years under Bill Courtney. Steve Donahue, who won 3 consecutive Ivy titles preceding Courtney's hiring, is now coaching Penn.
Hockey 11-14. 7th in ECAC. Bounced in 1st round of ECAC playoffs.
Lacrosse 3-2 in Ivies w/senior dominated team. On NCAA bubble.
Andy, are you out there somewhere???
Yes doing self promoting puff pieces in the Cornell fund raising magazine and videos. Too busy to do that other stuff.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 12:20AM
Are the West Stands really condemned?
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 07:49AM
CAS
Are the West Stands really condemned?
The areas on either end are.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 09:47AM
I guess Schoellkopf unfortunately is not a beneficiary of the capital campaign which has raised over $5.8 billion to date.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 01:22PM
9 years since a winning season in football. 5 years since a winning season (and the Sweet Sixteen) in basketball.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 02:20PM
CAS
9 years since a winning season in football. 5 years since a winning season (and the Sweet Sixteen) in basketball.
Sounds normal to above average in Cornell history.
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Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 02:26PM
Not always true Chris. Jim Hofher went 33-23 in the Ivies, never finishing below 4th, coaching football from '90-'97. Donahue's last 6 Cornell teams all had winning Ivy records. If you accept losing, you will.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 03:09PM
Just to add "focus" to this discussion, I've created the chart below. (I left out basketball because it just doesn't matter.)
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 05:13PM
Scersk '97
Just to add "focus" to this discussion, I've created the chart below. (I left out basketball because it just doesn't matter.)
We are probably going to be the new Columbia after Bagnoli gets that program righted.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 05:25PM
Ken711
Scersk '97
Just to add "focus" to this discussion, I've created the chart below. (I left out basketball because it just doesn't matter.)
We are probably going to be the new Columbia after Bagnoli gets that program righted.
No argument here. Why did [we let?] Jim Hofher leave, again?
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 19, 2015 08:30PM
Scersk '97
Ken711
Scersk '97
Just to add "focus" to this discussion, I've created the chart below. (I left out basketball because it just doesn't matter.)
We are probably going to be the new Columbia after Bagnoli gets that program righted.
No argument here. Why did [we let?] Jim Hofher leave, again?
It was his choice. He wanted to return to coaching at the D1 level, hoping to advance his coaching career at a higher level program.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: April 20, 2015 12:42PM
baseball has done Ok and they are self funded
the AD has even let them run the golf course into the ground.
the question really is does the BoT care enough to ask the AD to do a good job or is it like so many other decision on the campus money driven and who cares about the service/product that results.
the AD has even let them run the golf course into the ground.
the question really is does the BoT care enough to ask the AD to do a good job or is it like so many other decision on the campus money driven and who cares about the service/product that results.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 20, 2015 11:00PM
Sounds right upprdeck. Unless the BoT and the senior Administation care, little is likely to change.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: KeithK (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: April 20, 2015 11:10PM
Who sas they don't? But they may not be using "win NCAA or Ivy championships" (in the sports I care about) as the only or primary metric for doing a good job. It probably shouldn't be at an academic institution.upprdeck
the question really is does the BoT care enough to ask the AD to do a good job...
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: April 21, 2015 07:35AM
Ken711
It was his choice. He wanted to return to coaching at the D1 level, hoping to advance his coaching career at a higher level program.Scersk '97
No argument here. Why did [we let?] Jim Hofher leave, again?
Perhaps if we'd been to show him a bit more green, or some facility upgrades?
Yet the subsequent years proved good ol' Chaz. Moore (the CEO of Athletics) to have been pretty astute in making personnel decisions. Perhaps there was nothing to be done. Mangurian, hired by Charlie, seemed to have the team heading in the right direction as well, the season-ending and championship-losing loss in the "Ivy Bowl" notwithstanding.
I had no idea during my "salad days" that I was watching the tail end of some football "golden years."
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: April 21, 2015 09:04AM
maybe we should be wondering why they spend a million+ on charter day but asked the kids to kick in money to pay for health care.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 21, 2015 10:21AM
Scersk '97
Ken711
It was his choice. He wanted to return to coaching at the D1 level, hoping to advance his coaching career at a higher level program.Scersk '97
No argument here. Why did [we let?] Jim Hofher leave, again?
Perhaps if we'd been to show him a bit more green, or some facility upgrades?
Yet the subsequent years proved good ol' Chaz. Moore (the CEO of Athletics) to have been pretty astute in making personnel decisions. Perhaps there was nothing to be done. Mangurian, hired by Charlie, seemed to have the team heading in the right direction as well, the season-ending and championship-losing loss in the "Ivy Bowl" notwithstanding.
I had no idea during my "salad days" that I was watching the tail end of some football "golden years."
Columbia brought in an outside consultant to evaluate the football program, athletic admissions process, facilities etc. One result, they make a smart hire an Al Bagnoli. Perhaps it's time for Cornell to bring in an outside consultant to evaluate the lack of success Cornell has experienced in sport programs like football and basketball as well.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Towerroad (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: April 21, 2015 10:36AM
Ken711
Scersk '97
Ken711
It was his choice. He wanted to return to coaching at the D1 level, hoping to advance his coaching career at a higher level program.Scersk '97
No argument here. Why did [we let?] Jim Hofher leave, again?
Perhaps if we'd been to show him a bit more green, or some facility upgrades?
Yet the subsequent years proved good ol' Chaz. Moore (the CEO of Athletics) to have been pretty astute in making personnel decisions. Perhaps there was nothing to be done. Mangurian, hired by Charlie, seemed to have the team heading in the right direction as well, the season-ending and championship-losing loss in the "Ivy Bowl" notwithstanding.
I had no idea during my "salad days" that I was watching the tail end of some football "golden years."
Columbia brought in an outside consultant to evaluate the football program, athletic admissions process, facilities etc. One result, they make a smart hire an Al Bagnoli. Perhaps it's time for Cornell to bring in an outside consultant to evaluate the lack of success Cornell has experienced in sport programs like football and basketball as well.
That would require the AD and other administrators to stop looking in the mirror and admiring themselves.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Johnny 5 (209.68.90.---)
Date: April 21, 2015 11:14AM
I'm heartbroken.
Lacrosse was my refuge.
Especially after hockey season.
Lacrosse was my refuge.
Especially after hockey season.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.sub-70-192-65.myvzw.com)
Date: April 21, 2015 04:02PM
Agree Ken, we need someone outside the athletic dept to evaluate why we are uncompetitive in football, and possibly examine other issues hurting Cornell programs.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Greenberg '97 (161.185.161.---)
Date: April 22, 2015 11:41AM
Scersk '97
I had no idea during my "salad days" that I was watching the tail end of some football "golden years."
Cornell's football excitement ended on a broken play fullback option at Baker Field. I still have to change the channel whenever Marcellus Wiley comes on.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 22, 2015 01:39PM
Weren't people saying just a few years ago that Cornell was doing well and Andy had made some smart hires?
In football and basketball we play in the Special Olympics conference. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from year-to-year performance other than "we got worse one-half star prospects than Brown last year."
In football and basketball we play in the Special Olympics conference. I don't think we can draw any conclusions from year-to-year performance other than "we got worse one-half star prospects than Brown last year."
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.sub-70-192-65.myvzw.com)
Date: April 22, 2015 02:35PM
Andy has hired 4 football head coaches who combined have 1 winning season at Cornell.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: underskill (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 22, 2015 02:56PM
I'm assuming the administration is concerned with success in wrestling, hockey and lacrosse on a consistent basis; anything else is a bonus.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 22, 2015 04:41PM
Bagnoli is 62 and no spring chicken. Recall we brought in Bob Blackman when he was in his 60th year and he went 23-33-1. At Dartmouth, hired when he was 39, Blackman went 104-37-3. A coach in his 40s or 50s is more likely to be in his prime.Ken711
Columbia brought in an outside consultant to evaluate the football program, athletic admissions process, facilities etc. One result, they make a smart hire an Al Bagnoli. Perhaps it's time for Cornell to bring in an outside consultant to evaluate the lack of success Cornell has experienced in sport programs like football and basketball as well.
Cornell doesn't deliberately hire bad football coaches. Maxie Baughan may well have been a great coach at Cornell (1983-88) but personal conduct did him in. He lifted the team frm 3-6-1 to 7-2-1 and a tie for first in the Ivies.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/22/2015 08:55PM by billhoward.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 22, 2015 07:18PM
billhoward
Bagnoli is 62 and no spring chicken. Recall we brought in Bob Blackman when he was in his 60th year and he went 23-33-1. At Dartmouth, hired when he was 39, Blackman went 104-37-3.Ken711
Columbia brought in an outside consultant to evaluate the football program, athletic admissions process, facilities etc. One result, they make a smart hire an Al Bagnoli. Perhaps it's time for Cornell to bring in an outside consultant to evaluate the lack of success Cornell has experienced in sport programs like football and basketball as well.
Cornell doesn't deliberately hire bad football coaches. Maxie Baughan may well have been a great coach at Cornell (1983-88) but personal conduct did him in. He lifted the team frm 3-6-1 to 7-2-1 and a tie for first in the Ivies.
I'm not saying they deliberately hire bad football coaches (although the Tim Pendergast hire was pretty suspect), then it may be other areas where the support system for these recent coaches is lacking. Is it the facilities, the admissions process, I'm not sure, but clearly and outside consultant with a fresh evaluation wouldn't hurt.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/22/2015 07:18PM by Ken711.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 02:26AM
Who cares about football, cant go to the playoffs
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 08:46AM
Many would care about football if we were any good. We have had 1 winning season (6-4 record) in the last 14 years. Why excuse all the losing? Is there any accountability for performance? Why not do what's necessary to have a successful football program?
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Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 09:18AM
The olds (I mean people 20+ years older than I -- the ancients) still care about football to a degree that most of us would find astounding. I assume the administration cares about money, and there still seems to be money to be shaken from football alumni and elderly fans. Winning would open that vein.underskill
I'm assuming the administration is concerned with success in wrestling, hockey and lacrosse on a consistent basis; anything else is a bonus.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: KeithK (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 09:49AM
Why the heck can't Andy go out and sign a few big name free agents and turn the team around? Wait, you can't do that? Damn.CAS
Many would care about football if we were any good. We have had 1 winning season (6-4 record) in the last 14 years. Why excuse all the losing? Is there any accountability for performance? Why not do what's necessary to have a successful football program?
Even if it were a priority there's no magic formula for doing what's necesaary to win.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 10:00AM
Agree Trotsky re fundraising. Annual football giving, even with the current state of the program, is a big multiple of what's raised for hockey.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: underskill (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 10:13AM
CAS
Agree Trotsky re fundraising. Annual football giving, even with the current state of the program, is a big multiple of what's raised for hockey.
isn't that a function of numbers? i.e. a football alumni list is inherently much larger than a hockey list given the size of rosters.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: BearLover (---.wrls.harvard.edu)
Date: April 23, 2015 10:37AM
Definitely not true. Football raises the most money and is historically (where "history" is defined as going back a loooong time) our most important sport.underskill
I'm assuming the administration is concerned with success in wrestling, hockey and lacrosse on a consistent basis; anything else is a bonus.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: underskill (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 11:07AM
BearLover
Definitely not true. Football raises the most money and is historically (where "history" is defined as going back a loooong time) our most important sport.underskill
I'm assuming the administration is concerned with success in wrestling, hockey and lacrosse on a consistent basis; anything else is a bonus.
if it raises the most money, then I doubt they have an incentive to invest much more in the program as is, I don't think being an Ivy League contender in football is really going to lead to a huge increase in funds, and certainly not exposure given that it's D2 and no playoffs. It's not like basketball where the school gets to appear on CBS for making the tourney
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 11:57AM
underskill
BearLover
Definitely not true. Football raises the most money and is historically (where "history" is defined as going back a loooong time) our most important sport.underskill
I'm assuming the administration is concerned with success in wrestling, hockey and lacrosse on a consistent basis; anything else is a bonus.
if it raises the most money, then I doubt they have an incentive to invest much more in the program as is, I don't think being an Ivy League contender in football is really going to lead to a huge increase in funds, and certainly not exposure given that it's D2 and no playoffs. It's not like basketball where the school gets to appear on CBS for making the tourney
Please, that's playoff ineligible Division I Football Championship Subdivision.
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Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 12:34PM
We'll always have that 1939 Lambert Trophy.Chris '03
underskill
BearLover
Definitely not true. Football raises the most money and is historically (where "history" is defined as going back a loooong time) our most important sport.underskill
I'm assuming the administration is concerned with success in wrestling, hockey and lacrosse on a consistent basis; anything else is a bonus.
if it raises the most money, then I doubt they have an incentive to invest much more in the program as is, I don't think being an Ivy League contender in football is really going to lead to a huge increase in funds, and certainly not exposure given that it's D2 and no playoffs. It's not like basketball where the school gets to appear on CBS for making the tourney
Please, that's playoff ineligible Division I Football Championship Subdivision.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: RichH (---.northgrum.com)
Date: April 23, 2015 01:04PM
Trotsky
We'll always have that 1939 Lambert Trophy.Chris '03
underskill
BearLover
Definitely not true. Football raises the most money and is historically (where "history" is defined as going back a loooong time) our most important sport.underskill
I'm assuming the administration is concerned with success in wrestling, hockey and lacrosse on a consistent basis; anything else is a bonus.
if it raises the most money, then I doubt they have an incentive to invest much more in the program as is, I don't think being an Ivy League contender in football is really going to lead to a huge increase in funds, and certainly not exposure given that it's D2 and no playoffs. It's not like basketball where the school gets to appear on CBS for making the tourney
Please, that's playoff ineligible Division I Football Championship Subdivision.
And the 5 fake NCAA trophies somebody mocked up for the HOF room in Friends Hall.
One thing I just learned: "Cornell president Edmund Ezra Day turned down a Rose Bowl bid, citing the players’ need to catch up on their studies."
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 01:27PM
Back in the day, Cornell football was big to the alumni but also the students and to the media. It helped that the Ivy League was real D1. When Ed Marinaro broke the NCAA rushing record, it was on the front page of the NY Times and on the cover of Sports Illustrated. At at one point Dartmouth (under Blackman) got the Indians (now Green) up to 14th in the polls. Even now, football provides a fabric for fall activities by students and alumni five times each fall. Homecoming has become a big event again, as Cornell Alumni Affairs welcomes all but really pushes to get the first ten classes out to come back. Which draws old alumni who like to be around younger alumnni. The only thing old alumni don't like is seeing drunken sorority women toss their liquid breakfast in front of Schoellkopf; I remember a classmate tut-tutting and saying, "Our sorority was never like that." Memory is selective.Trotsky
The olds (I mean people 20+ years older than I -- the ancients) still care about football to a degree that most of us would find astounding. I assume the administration cares about money, and there still seems to be money to be shaken from football alumni and elderly fans. Winning would open that vein.underskill
I'm assuming the administration is concerned with success in wrestling, hockey and lacrosse on a consistent basis; anything else is a bonus.
Today, even if we had a fabulous football team, there still would not be 15,000-20,000 in the stands each game. That has changed. Actually, in the seventies, the old fans thought seventies football stucked because in the 1950s we beat Michigan. Is it possible in 2035, alumni will recall 2010-15 as the good old days. (Uh, probably not.) Maybe Columbia will be replaced on our schedule with Technion. In hockey, the fans could throw gefilte fish.
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Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 23, 2015 02:36PM
Professor MH Abrams dead at 102. According to the Sun article, he never missed a home football game during his nearly 70 years at Cornell. The man was a glutton for punishment. NY Times obit.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: April 23, 2015 03:01PM
It would a nice thing for the SuN to get an explanation on why the Ivy still does not let the fball teams go to the ncaa when all the other sports can now.. low level football or not having something to play for would probably help all the ivy teams recruit and play at a better level and increase attendance.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 03:53PM
billhoward
Even now, football provides a fabric for fall activities by students and alumni five times each fall.
No.
Unless things have dramatically changed since I was a student, 97% of the students could not care less. The bandies had to be there and the frats did their cute frat stuff, but otherwise nobody gave a shit. Hockey was unique in that interesting students actually cared. Jock rituals like Homecoming have not involved students since sometime in the mid 60s -- since then they have been the type of thing that student government types think is important, but everyone else ignores, or at most regards as laughable.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Towerroad (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 04:09PM
Trotsky
billhoward
Even now, football provides a fabric for fall activities by students and alumni five times each fall.
No.
Unless things have dramatically changed since I was a student, 97% of the students could not care less. The bandies had to be there and the frats did their cute frat stuff, but otherwise nobody gave a shit. Hockey was unique in that interesting students actually cared. Jock rituals like Homecoming have not involved students since sometime in the mid 60s -- since then they have been the type of thing that student government types think is important, but everyone else ignores, or at most regards as laughable.
Agreed.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 23, 2015 05:08PM
upprdeck
It would a nice thing for the SuN to get an explanation on why the Ivy still does not let the fball teams go to the ncaa when all the other sports can now.. low level football or not having something to play for would probably help all the ivy teams recruit and play at a better level and increase attendance.
That has been discussed numerous times here. [www.voy.com]
The Ivy Presidents won't change this policy...ever. Still the basic argument of the thread is if we are fielding sport teams like football, why can't we build a competitive program?
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Towerroad (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: April 24, 2015 09:26AM
Ken711
upprdeck
It would a nice thing for the SuN to get an explanation on why the Ivy still does not let the fball teams go to the ncaa when all the other sports can now.. low level football or not having something to play for would probably help all the ivy teams recruit and play at a better level and increase attendance.
That has been discussed numerous times here. [www.voy.com]
The Ivy Presidents won't change this policy...ever. Still the basic argument of the thread is if we are fielding sport teams like football, why can't we build a competitive program?
I think the real question is "Why can't we be competitive within the Ivy League?" Unfortunately I think the deck is stacked against us.
1. The talent pool of academically qualified players who can play at an elite level is modest at best and for those with dreams of the NFL or competing at a high level there are better choices (Eg Stanford, Cal, Michigan, Northwestern).
2. Football means much more to Harvard and Yale given the importance of "The Game" ($$$$) than it does to us. They will put far more emphasis ($) on gobbling up the eligible pool than we will.
I think the best we can hope for is to be better than Penn, Columbia, Dartmouth, Princeton and Brown in a good year.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: rss77 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: April 24, 2015 10:57PM
Mollie Marcoux, the Athletic Director at Princeton (And Ithaca NY native) made a statement a couple of months ago advocating for football participation in playoffs. I doubt she would have said that without permission from the "higher ups" at Princeton. Never say Never I say.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 25, 2015 08:55AM
I really never understood what the downside to letting an ivy school play playoff football was. did they forget that for a long tme the power of football was some of the ivy league teams? is one school getting to play for a title going to kill the system?
would cornell/penn in late nov get more people in the seats if they were playing for something meaningful?
would cornell/penn in late nov get more people in the seats if they were playing for something meaningful?
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: April 25, 2015 09:20AM
We all agree Ivy football isn't at the same level as that played in the SEC. And it would be nice to have the Ivy winner participate in the playoffs. But the basic question is why we are uncompetitive in the league as currently constituted? Do we have the right coaches, facilities, and institutional support to be be successful? And if not, how do we change that?
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 26, 2015 08:15PM
CAS
We all agree Ivy football isn't at the same level as that played in the SEC. And it would be nice to have the Ivy winner participate in the playoffs. But the basic question is why we are uncompetitive in the league as currently constituted? Do we have the right coaches, facilities, and institutional support to be be successful? And if not, how do we change that?
Spot on.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 02, 2015 09:38AM
Yesterday's lax losses -- the men, of course, and the women losing a 2nd consecutive 1-goal game to Penn -- probably cap off the most disappointing Cornell sports year in many a year. Perhaps only wrestling matched or outperformed expectations.
Well, there's always polo I guess
Well, there's always polo I guess
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 02, 2015 10:18AM
scoop85
Well, there's always polo I guess
Check out Cornell's lightweight crew. National champions last year, undefeated so far this year.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 02, 2015 11:06AM
George64
scoop85
Well, there's always polo I guess
Check out Cornell's lightweight crew. National champions last year, undefeated so far this year.
Yes, of course. After I posted I realized I forgot to mention crew.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 02, 2015 12:25PM
Pretty sad year when the rare successes are in wrestling and lightweight crew.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 02, 2015 02:28PM
Cornell lights sweep Dartmouth for second consecutive undefeated regular season. This is particularly impressive considering the conditions on Cayuga earlier this spring. Coach Kerber deserves IJ Coach of the Year. Eastern Sprints and IRA National Championship coming up. LGRCAS
Pretty sad year when the rare successes are in wrestling and lightweight crew.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: phillysportsfan (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: May 09, 2015 12:57PM
Are we going to lose by 20? A fitting end to a lousy sports season, good work Andy
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 09, 2015 01:21PM
Thank you Andy
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Towerroad (---.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
Date: May 09, 2015 04:11PM
Thank you AndyCAS
Thank you Andy
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: toddlose (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 09, 2015 04:34PM
Towerroad
Thank you AndyCAS
Thank you Andy
Thank you Andy
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: BearLover (---.wrls.harvard.edu)
Date: May 09, 2015 04:47PM
We all (rightfully) think Andy is doing a bad job, but I doubt he ever reads these forums, so maybe we should sarcastically thank him through an e-mail instead of an ELynah forum post.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 09, 2015 05:03PM
Bearlover, you're probably right. In the words of the Grateful Dead, one way or another, this darkness got to give.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 13, 2015 02:49PM
Al Bagnoli the new Columbia football coach "bags" a D1 transfer QB from the Florida. Cornell will be lonely at the bottom of the Ivy League football standings now.
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Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 17, 2015 07:45AM
I don't understand why despite enrolling many transfers, Cornell football never gets an impact transfer. Bagnoli at Penn and now Columbia, and Yale have been very successful going the transfer route.
Re: Tough times for Cornell athletics
Posted by: Ken711 (---.midsouth.biz.rr.com)
Date: May 17, 2015 09:16AM
CAS
I don't understand why despite enrolling many transfers, Cornell football never gets an impact transfer. Bagnoli at Penn and now Columbia, and Yale have been very successful going the transfer route.
I agree, I can't figure that one out as well. Even Harvard has had great success with transfers. [en.wikipedia.org]
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