Cornell @ Harvard Lax

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6-4 Harvard at the half. In the short time I've been watching, I've seen some very sloppy mistakes by CU, giving H the majority of possession time late in the 2nd. H scored twice in the last 1:30 of the half to take the lead. Noble had an easy clear on the man-down, but coughed it up, leading to the go-ahead score. Mock with 2, Pannell with 1.

Harvard leads the nation in having broadcasters who really don't seem to know much about the sport they are calling.

H broadcaster calling Pannell's goal "SportsCenter Top 10 worthy" and then tried to describe it as "underhand, backhand...whatever you want to call it"

The video is the scoreboard feed, and there was an ad for the Harvard Varsity Golf tournament that showed various Harvard athletes golfing in their equipment. The Harvard hockey player was driving the golf cart.

CU starts shooting on unsettled situations, Mock with 2 of 3 to start the 3rd, including a man-up, now 7-6 Red. CU seems to be struggling on the faceoffs.

9-7 Harvard, 5 min. left in 3Q. Cornell constantly defending EMOs and losing at the x since I started watching. Yikes.

10-7 Harvard after 3. Cornell not looking good.

12-12, late in the 4th. Cornell settling down on both ends and tied it up. Cornell still getting dangerously chippy on D and ending up a man down.

13-12, Cornell. 2:41 left. Cornell offense is starting to find the seams. Van Bourgondien with the last two, from the exact same spot.

Not only has Cornell come back for a 14-12 lead late in the fourth, but Harvard video and Cornell audio are nearly in sync.

Cornell outscores Crimson 6-2 in fourth, fights off 2 penalties last 2 minutes, to win 14-12. Phew.l

Harvard audio wasn't bad. 14-12 final as Cornell dominated the last 5 or 6 minutes of the game.

I started watching in the second half and don't think I saw a single Cornell EMO (not a criticism of the officials; I didn't see anything that warranted a flag). I saw 6 or 7 for Harvard and this is also not a criticism of the officials. Some of the calls against Cornell were chintzy but the Red were playing rough.

Rich, thanks for posting. I never thought Harvard would give away something of value.

ugarte
Cornell still getting dangerously chippy on D and ending up a man down.

Clearly Schafer's fault.

Trotsky

ugarte
Cornell still getting dangerously chippy on D and ending up a man down.

Clearly Schafer's fault.

Don't think I didn't think that. We know it isn't Schafer because the team won RIGHT GUYS

It took Cornell 3 quarters to figure out how to penetrate Krieger's Fort Kick-Ass.



SMOKE BOMB!

Sitting in the stands we didn't look like a top 5 team for the first 50 minutes today.

Harvard outplayed us for 3 and 1/4 periods. They had more patience on offense and found good shooting situations consistently. Defensively they looked every bit as good. From the X we were just miserable.

Then we got serious,like we knew we could get it done in the waning minutes, so why work hard before? From about 9 to go we played like a number 2 team. Happens over and over again in college lacrosse.

One strange and uncomfortable moment was very early. "Beating his chest", an image usually only literally seen in grade B movies. But after a clever underhanded goal just a couple minutes in Pannell literally beat his chest in celebration of himself. It clearly wasn't a game defining moment for his team, but one just for him. It seemed very self absorbed, and unusually so.

Ken70


One strange and uncomfortable moment was very early. "Beating his chest", an image usually only literally seen in grade B movies. But after a clever underhanded goal just a couple minutes in Pannell literally beat his chest in celebration of himself. It clearly wasn't a game defining moment for his team, but one just for him. It seemed very self absorbed, and unusually so.

Agreed.... but it was one heck of a goal, I will not hold that against a player who has always put the team ahead of himself. I'm just enjoying this ride and not in the mood to pee on my own team.

Redscore

Ken70


One strange and uncomfortable moment was very early. "Beating his chest", an image usually only literally seen in grade B movies. But after a clever underhanded goal just a couple minutes in Pannell literally beat his chest in celebration of himself. It clearly wasn't a game defining moment for his team, but one just for him. It seemed very self absorbed, and unusually so.

Agreed.... but it was one heck of a goal, I will not hold that against a player who has always put the team ahead of himself. I'm just enjoying this ride and not in the mood to pee on my own team.

+1

billhoward
Rich, thanks for posting. I never thought Harvard would give away something of value.

But if you wanted to see Cornell-Harvard softball, it would have cost you $5. Maybe Harvard knew the lax would bring in more of a broader following, so they dropped the pay wall to showcase Harvard.

RichH

billhoward
Rich, thanks for posting. I never thought Harvard would give away something of value.

But if you wanted to see Cornell-Harvard softball, it would have cost you $5. Maybe Harvard knew the lax would bring in more of a broader following, so they dropped the pay wall to showcase Harvard.

That is probably the reason. Maybe Harvard smelled upset. Maybe Harvard thought this sport only lasted 3 periods. Someday I'm going to write an article on the economics of pay-per-view college sports videos. Outside the B1G sports at the big schools, I bet it loses money and what little you bring it, the provider of the feed takes most of that small amount. The net benefit would be to make it free for all sports. The majority of people watching the softball feed were probably parents. Who are already in for fifty grand a year in tuition and fees.

RichH
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Go the archived (On Demand) videos section. Pick up the feed at about 22:30. (The video scrubbing is imprecise, so if you get to around 21:00, just watch until it comes up.) Fiore makes a save, Cornell clears to midfield. Pannell picks up the ball at midfield. Runs clockwise behind the net, comes front right, circles, turns, picks up defenders, turns some more, and shoots low, blind, and sort of not looking at the net. Not highlights-reel pretty because there's no fluid over-the-head arcing motion. If he's thumping his chest (as Ken70 notes), it feels more like one of those thank you, Lord or good to be alive moments more than dang, I'm good gestures.

This tied the score at 2-all. Harvard was impressed enough to run an instant replay of the shot, giving away time that could have gone to a still photo of the Crimson Golfer of the Week.

billhoward

RichH
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Go the archived (On Demand) videos section. Pick up the feed at about 22:30. (The video scrubbing is imprecise, so if you get to around 21:00, just watch until it comes up.) Fiore makes a save, Cornell clears to midfield. Pannell picks up the ball at midfield. Runs clockwise behind the net, comes front right, circles, turns, picks up defenders, turns some more, and shoots low, blind, and sort of not looking at the net. Not highlights-reel pretty because there's no fluid over-the-head arcing motion. If he's thumping his chest (as Ken70 notes), it feels more like one of those thank you, Lord or good to be alive moments more than dang, I'm good gestures.

This tied the score at 2-all. Harvard was impressed enough to run an instant replay of the shot, giving away time that could have gone to a still photo of the Crimson Golfer of the Week.

Pretty impressive.

Towerroad

billhoward

RichH
Harvard's Lacrosse video is free today:
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Go the archived (On Demand) videos section. Pick up the feed at about 22:30. (The video scrubbing is imprecise, so if you get to around 21:00, just watch until it comes up.) Fiore makes a save, Cornell clears to midfield. Pannell picks up the ball at midfield. Runs clockwise behind the net, comes front right, circles, turns, picks up defenders, turns some more, and shoots low, blind, and sort of not looking at the net. Not highlights-reel pretty because there's no fluid over-the-head arcing motion. If he's thumping his chest (as Ken70 notes), it feels more like one of those thank you, Lord or good to be alive moments more than dang, I'm good gestures.

This tied the score at 2-all. Harvard was impressed enough to run an instant replay of the shot, giving away time that could have gone to a still photo of the Crimson Golfer of the Week.

Pretty impressive.

I hear Brown is adding this clip to the Yann Denis Rhymes With Hobey minisite.

billhoward

RichH
Harvard's Lacrosse video is free today:
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Go the archived (On Demand) videos section. Pick up the feed at about 22:30. (The video scrubbing is imprecise, so if you get to around 21:00, just watch until it comes up.) Fiore makes a save, Cornell clears to midfield. Pannell picks up the ball at midfield. Runs clockwise behind the net, comes front right, circles, turns, picks up defenders, turns some more, and shoots low, blind, and sort of not looking at the net. Not highlights-reel pretty because there's no fluid over-the-head arcing motion. If he's thumping his chest (as Ken70 notes), it feels more like one of those thank you, Lord or good to be alive moments more than dang, I'm good gestures.

This tied the score at 2-all. Harvard was impressed enough to run an instant replay of the shot, giving away time that could have gone to a still photo of the Crimson Golfer of the Week.

I definitely saw no questionable chest thumping in that clip - he opens his arms to hug a teammate who is approaching, hugs all around, and then after the scrum breaks up, he uses both hands to underline where it says "Cornell" on his chest. Hardly gaudy self-promotion if you ask me.

Robb

billhoward

RichH
Harvard's Lacrosse video is free today:
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Go the archived (On Demand) videos section. Pick up the feed at about 22:30. (The video scrubbing is imprecise, so if you get to around 21:00, just watch until it comes up.) Fiore makes a save, Cornell clears to midfield. Pannell picks up the ball at midfield. Runs clockwise behind the net, comes front right, circles, turns, picks up defenders, turns some more, and shoots low, blind, and sort of not looking at the net. Not highlights-reel pretty because there's no fluid over-the-head arcing motion. If he's thumping his chest (as Ken70 notes), it feels more like one of those thank you, Lord or good to be alive moments more than dang, I'm good gestures.

This tied the score at 2-all. Harvard was impressed enough to run an instant replay of the shot, giving away time that could have gone to a still photo of the Crimson Golfer of the Week.

I definitely saw no questionable chest thumping in that clip - he opens his arms to hug a teammate who is approaching, hugs all around, and then after the scrum breaks up, he uses both hands to underline where it says "Cornell" on his chest. Hardly gaudy self-promotion if you ask me.

I thought he had just motioned that he had ripped their hearts out.

Robb
I definitely saw no questionable chest thumping in that clip - he opens his arms to hug a teammate who is approaching, hugs all around, and then after the scrum breaks up, he uses both hands to underline where it says "Cornell" on his chest. Hardly gaudy self-promotion if you ask me.

Just watched the clip and that's exactly what I saw. Much ado about nothing.

Al DeFlorio

Robb
I definitely saw no questionable chest thumping in that clip - he opens his arms to hug a teammate who is approaching, hugs all around, and then after the scrum breaks up, he uses both hands to underline where it says "Cornell" on his chest. Hardly gaudy self-promotion if you ask me.

Just watched the clip and that's exactly what I saw. Much ado about nothing.

Well, it got me to spend 10 minutes finding the video and time-in rather than ask someone else to do it.

About what you'd expect:

Cornell 14, Harvard 12 -- a little closer than I expected (hoped?)
Yale 7, Dartmouth 5 -- shouldn't have been so close
Penn 10, Brown 3 -- maybe should have been closer
Syracuse 13, Princeton 12 -- Syracuse scored the last 3 goals, at Princeton

Ivy records

Cornell      4-0 to play at Brown, Princeton @ Meadowlands in Ivies 
Princeton    2-1 to play at Dartmouth, Harvard, Cornell 
Penn         2-2 
Yale         2-2
Brown        1-2
Harvard      1-2
Dartmouth    0-3

Cornell beats Princeton, we host the Ivy tournament (unless Brown wins out, meaning we could lose out to Brown in the H2H, but then Princeton could be ahead of us too by winnng out). Too bad we don't have the bye weekend before Princeton not before Brown. I think those are the possibilities. Since we've beaten Penn and Yale, they can't beat us H2H.

For Cornell, first, Syracuse Wednesday on ESPNU. then a bye weekend.

billhoward
About what you'd expect:

Cornell 14, Harvard 12 -- a little closer than I expected (hoped?)
Yale 7, Dartmouth 5 -- shouldn't have been so close
Penn 10, Brown 3 -- maybe should have been closer
Syracuse 13, Princeton 12 -- Syracuse scored the last 3 goals, at Princeton

Ivy records

Cornell      4-0 to play at Brown, Princeton @ Meadowlands in Ivies 
Princeton    2-1 to play at Dartmouth, Harvard, Cornell 
Penn         2-2 
Yale         2-2
Brown        1-2
Harvard      1-2
Dartmouth    0-3

Cornell beats Princeton, we host the Ivy tournament (unless Brown wins out, meaning we could lose out to Brown in the H2H, but then Princeton could be ahead of us too by winnng out). Too bad we don't have the bye weekend before Princeton not before Brown. I think those are the possibilities. Since we've beaten Penn and Yale, they can't beat us H2H.

For Cornell, first, Syracuse Wednesday on ESPNU. then a bye weekend.

Actually, Cornell clinches first place outright with a win over Princeton. I'm hardly an expert, but it seems like beating Brown still matters for at-large and seeding purposes regardless of the outcome of the Princeton game. Besides, if Princeton loses one other game a win over Brown clinches home field.

Mock is now the leading goal scorer in Division I with 37, and in goals per game with 3.4.

Tom Lento

billhoward
About what you'd expect:

Cornell 14, Harvard 12 -- a little closer than I expected (hoped?)
Yale 7, Dartmouth 5 -- shouldn't have been so close
Penn 10, Brown 3 -- maybe should have been closer
Syracuse 13, Princeton 12 -- Syracuse scored the last 3 goals, at Princeton

Ivy records

Cornell      4-0 to play at Brown, Princeton @ Meadowlands in Ivies 
Princeton    2-1 to play at Dartmouth, Harvard, Cornell 
Penn         2-2 
Yale         2-2
Brown        1-2
Harvard      1-2
Dartmouth    0-3

Cornell beats Princeton, we host the Ivy tournament (unless Brown wins out, meaning we could lose out to Brown in the H2H, but then Princeton could be ahead of us too by winnng out). Too bad we don't have the bye weekend before Princeton not before Brown. I think those are the possibilities. Since we've beaten Penn and Yale, they can't beat us H2H.

For Cornell, first, Syracuse Wednesday on ESPNU. then a bye weekend.

Actually, Cornell clinches first place outright with a win over Princeton. I'm hardly an expert, but it seems like beating Brown still matters for at-large and seeding purposes regardless of the outcome of the Princeton game. Besides, if Princeton loses one other game a win over Brown clinches home field.

If Brown wins the rest of its matches, then it would be 4-2 and one of the wins would have been over Cornell, making Cornell either 5-1 (if we beat Princeton) or 4-2 (lose to Brown and Princeton) and Brown at 4-2 would be ahead of us. So you're right that a win over Princeton makes us at worst 5-1 and the only one-Ivy-loss team, thus the Ivy champ and tournament host, as it should be.

This is rock, scissors, paper. Yale, Harvard, Penn, Princeton and Brown could possibly finish 4-2. We've beaten Yale, Penn and Harvard, haven't played Brown and Princeton. Princeton has beaten Brown, hasn't played Harvard (probably a tougher match than Cornell-Brown), nor winless Dartmouth.

Beating Syracause is going to matter for ranking and seeding, too. Maybe they'll try a 2-3 zone.

Regarding teams outside the Ivy League, #1 Maryland Friday got past 3-8 Navy 11-8 and #3 Denver needed 2 OT to beat Bellarmine. #4 Notre Dame beat 7-5 and unranked Providence 13-8. #5 Loyola beat unranked, 6-5 Fairfield 13-7. Nobody at the top looked unbeatable. We need a couple more of those 19-7 games. I could see us blowing out Brown ... and also not beating Brown.

Hi def highlights here, with a good look at RP's no-look goal: [www.lax.com]

Al DeFlorio
Hi def highlights here, with a good look at RP's no-look goal: [www.lax.com]

About 1:40 into the video. Here (this quality video) you can get a good look at the underhand shot going into the upper left corner. Just amazing.

Rob Pannell (RP3), Twitter
Best goal of my career against the Crimson this past Saturday and here's a great video clip of it! #lucky

…

Lax.com headlines it, "Rob Pannell's Nasty No-Look Goal"

Pannell's second goal was pretty wicked too. Deked his defender standing parallel to the pipe on the goalie's left, about 20 feet away, spun and fired a laser just above the ground into the bottom corner. Barely looked before firing. Goalie didn't have a chance.

Al DeFlorio
Hi def highlights here, with a good look at RP's no-look goal: [www.lax.com]

That *is* a great goal. Also:

lax.com
In a game pinning two long standing Ivy League lacrosse rivals against one another, the Cornell Big Red lacrosse team traveled to Cambridge to take on the Harvard Crimson.

Don't you "pit" two rivals against one another, rather than "pin"?
/nitpick

billhoward

Al DeFlorio
Hi def highlights here, with a good look at RP's no-look goal: [www.lax.com]

About 1:40 into the video. Here (this quality video) you can get a good look at the underhand shot going into the upper left corner. Just amazing.

Nice!!

I cannot tell what he did. Even in slow-mo, it's just not clear. I need another angle.

Kyle Rose
I cannot tell what he did. Even in slow-mo, it's just not clear. I need another angle.

Here's the full sequence:

Pannell runs out in front of the goal, then spins back, breaking toward the corner. When he gets to a 45 degree angle from the goalie's left, with his back to the goal and FACING away from the goal, with a defender on his shoulder he slams on the brakes. The defender skids past, maybe a half step. In one motion he turns toward the goal, pivoting with the basket held low, and whips the ball low-to-high over the goalie's right shoulder.

The sequence from when he turns toward the corner and the ball finds the back of the net takes about 2 seconds.

ugarte

Kyle Rose
I cannot tell what he did. Even in slow-mo, it's just not clear. I need another angle.

Here's the full sequence:

Pannell runs out in front of the goal, then spins back, breaking toward the corner. When he gets to a 45 degree angle from the goalie's left, with his back to the goal and FACING away from the goal, with a defender on his shoulder he slams on the brakes. The defender skids past, maybe a half step. In one motion he turns toward the goal, pivoting with the basket held low, and whips the ball low-to-high over the goalie's right shoulder.

The sequence from when he turns toward the corner and the ball finds the back of the net takes about 2 seconds.

You left out the part where he pounds his chest like the Hulk and then does the Gangnam Style dance on the grave of John Harvard himself.

Wait, that didn't happen? Pity.

RichH
You left out the part where he pounds his chest like the Hulk and then does the Gangnam Style dance on the grave of John Harvard himself.

Wait, that didn't happen? Pity.

They should give him the Tewaaraton on the spot if he did that. Heck, the Hobey and the Heisman too.

ugarte

Kyle Rose
I cannot tell what he did. Even in slow-mo, it's just not clear. I need another angle.

Here's the full sequence:

Pannell runs out in front of the goal, then spins back, breaking toward the corner. When he gets to a 45 degree angle from the goalie's left, with his back to the goal and FACING away from the goal, with a defender on his shoulder he slams on the brakes. The defender skids past, maybe a half step. In one motion he turns toward the goal, pivoting with the basket held low, and whips the ball low-to-high over the goalie's right shoulder.

The sequence from when he turns toward the corner and the ball finds the back of the net takes about 2 seconds.

Thank you. Though what really helped was clicking on "Youtube" to view it in a larger window. That made it quite clear.

Kyle Rose

ugarte

Kyle Rose
I cannot tell what he did. Even in slow-mo, it's just not clear. I need another angle.

Here's the full sequence:

Pannell runs out in front of the goal, then spins back, breaking toward the corner. When he gets to a 45 degree angle from the goalie's left, with his back to the goal and FACING away from the goal, with a defender on his shoulder he slams on the brakes. The defender skids past, maybe a half step. In one motion he turns toward the goal, pivoting with the basket held low, and whips the ball low-to-high over the goalie's right shoulder.

The sequence from when he turns toward the corner and the ball finds the back of the net takes about 2 seconds.

Thank you. Though what really helped was clicking on "Youtube" to view it in a larger window. That made it quite clear.

Take off those shades.

Kyle Rose

ugarte

Kyle Rose
I cannot tell what he did. Even in slow-mo, it's just not clear. I need another angle.

Here's the full sequence:

Pannell runs out in front of the goal, then spins back, breaking toward the corner. When he gets to a 45 degree angle from the goalie's left, with his back to the goal and FACING away from the goal, with a defender on his shoulder he slams on the brakes. The defender skids past, maybe a half step. In one motion he turns toward the goal, pivoting with the basket held low, and whips the ball low-to-high over the goalie's right shoulder.

The sequence from when he turns toward the corner and the ball finds the back of the net takes about 2 seconds.

Thank you. Though what really helped was clicking on "Youtube" to view it in a larger window. That made it quite clear.

I should have gone tech support on you and asked "did you view it full screen" but I've been an antagonistic asshole on this forum a lot lately and I figured "why not a change of pace?"

Never again.

ugarte

Kyle Rose
I cannot tell what he did. Even in slow-mo, it's just not clear. I need another angle.

Here's the full sequence:

Pannell runs out in front of the goal, then spins back, breaking toward the corner. When he gets to a 45 degree angle from the goalie's left, with his back to the goal and FACING away from the goal, with a defender on his shoulder he slams on the brakes. The defender skids past, maybe a half step. In one motion he turns toward the goal, pivoting with the basket held low, and whips the ball low-to-high over the goalie's right shoulder.

The sequence from when he turns toward the corner and the ball finds the back of the net takes about 2 seconds.

It also appears he got the shot off an instant before he was doubled by a slide.

Josh '99

RichH
You left out the part where he pounds his chest like the Hulk and then does the Gangnam Style dance on the grave of John Harvard himself.

Wait, that didn't happen? Pity.

They should give him the Tewaaraton on the spot if he did that. Heck, the Hobey and the Heisman too.

Dont forget the Nobel Prize, The Fields Medal, and a Pulitzer

You're upset about Jay-Z leaving the Nets?