lacrosse tie breakers

looks like a decent shot now for princeton to win the league and 4 teams end at 3-3..

how do they break that to decide who plays in the playoff?

upprdeck
how do they break that to decide who plays in the playoff?

1. In the case of two-way ties between teams in the final standings, the higher seed will be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

2. In the case of a multiple ties (more than two teams with the same record), the following procedure will be used:

a. The highest seed will go to the team with the best cumulative records against all other teams tied at that spot.

b. Once a highest seed team (among the tied teams) is determined, the tie between the remaining two teams will be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

c. This procedure will be completed until all ties are broken.

3. In the case of a multiple tie that cannot be broken on the basis of review of cumulative record against all other teams tied at that spot:

a. The higher seed will go to the team that has beaten the highest seeded team outside of the tie.

b. Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the tie between the remaining seeds shall be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

c. This procedure will be completed until all ties are broken.

4. If a tie still persists, add the goals for and against in the games between the tied teams; team with the greatest goal differential gets higher seed (6-goal maximum differential per game). Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the remaining seeds shall be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

5. If a tie still persists, add the goals for and against the highest seeded team(s) outside of the tied teams. The team with the greatest goal differential against the highest seeded team outside of the tie gets higher seed (6-goal maximum differential per game). Once a highest seed (amongst the tied teams) is determined, the remaining seeds shall be determined on the basis of head-to-head competition.

6. If a tie still persists, the tie will be broken by a random draw conducted by the Executive Director.

7. If this occurs in determining the tournament’s #1 seed, the team first drawn in the random draw selects:

a. To host the tournament and occupy the #3 seed, or:

b. To claim the #1 seed. If drawn teams elects the #1 seed, hosting privileges go to the #2 seed.

8. The first team drawn must select from the above options before the tie between the remaining two teams is broken.

9. The highest remaining seed will go the second team drawn in the random draw, continuing with remaining team(s) given the next highest seed remaining.

10. If any seeds need to be determined by a draw it shall be conducted at 10 AM by the Ivy Office on the Monday prior to the tournament. Institutions are welcome to participate in person or by telephone.

upprdeck
looks like a decent shot now for princeton to win the league and 4 teams end at 3-3..

Not impossible to see five teams at 3-3. Princeton beats Cornell. Harvard beats Yale. Dartmouth beats Brown. Each of the five would be 2-2 against the other four. Harvard would get the #2 seed by virtue of its win over Princeton. Taking it further gives me a headache, but it might not be a happy ending for the Big Red.

but if cornell wins they could still be the one seed..

upprdeck
but if cornell wins they could still be the one seed..

It may depend on who wins the Brown-Dartmouth and Yale-Harvard games. Should Cornell beat Princeton they would both finish 4-2. Brown and Yale would also finish 4-2 by winning. The "winner" of the tie-break could change depending on whether two, three, or four teams are tied at 4-2.

Go here [network.laxpower.com] and scroll down to the posting that includes Jerry Price's discussion of all the mind-bending possibilities.

Al DeFlorio
Go here [network.laxpower.com] and scroll down to the posting that includes Jerry Price's discussion of all the mind-bending possibilities.

A few posts above that discussion is a terse summary by CU77 of the eight possible outcomes.

Yale holds on to beat Harvard 9-8 according to Laxpower, meaning Harvard is out & Yale is in.

Can't find a Dartmouth-Brown update... anyone?

Al (or anyone who knows), are the tiebreakers used for tournament seeding similar to the ones used in years past?

In other words, if this was 2009, who would receive the Ivy autobid?

Greenberg '97
Al (or anyone who knows), are the tiebreakers used for tournament seeding similar to the ones used in years past?

Not sure - but I think yes. First tiebreaker is head to head. Somewhere below that is record against top teams. Yale (v Brown) and Brown (v Cornell) have only one win against the other teams. Cornell (Prin and Yale) and Princeton (Brown and Yale)have two. Then they recycle thru all the tiebreakers until there is a winner. Ultimately, if there is still a tie,as there was in 2003, there is a coin flip

Greenberg '97
In other words, if this was 2009, who would receive the Ivy autobid?

Cornell.

TimV

Greenberg '97
Al (or anyone who knows), are the tiebreakers used for tournament seeding similar to the ones used in years past?

Not sure - but I think yes. First tiebreaker is head to head. Somewhere below that is record against top teams. Yale (v Brown) and Brown (v Cornell) have only one win against the other teams. Cornell (Prin and Yale) and Princeton (Brown and Yale)have two. Then they recycle thru all the tiebreakers until there is a winner. Ultimately, if there is still a tie,as there was in 2003, there is a coin flip

Greenberg '97
In other words, if this was 2009, who would receive the Ivy autobid?

Cornell.

Right. Ain't it great to have a tournament so Cornell has to win it twice.

Actually, things could break such that we have to beat Princeton three times in one year. It's just like th ACC...

TimV
Actually, things could break such that we have to beat Princeton three times in one year. It's just like th ACC...

But isn't that partially the reason to have a tournament? To artificially bump up the SOS of the participating teams to increase the opportunity of at-large bids?

RichH

TimV
Actually, things could break such that we have to beat Princeton three times in one year. It's just like th ACC...

But isn't that partially the reason to have a tournament? To artificially bump up the SOS of the participating teams to increase the opportunity of at-large bids?

Yes, but it's not artificial.