Big Win for Men's B-Ball!!!

Men's B-Ball beats Northwestern 64-61--first win over a Big Ten team in almost 40 years (Ohio State--1967/68 season). They had their best recruiting season in many years and it seems to be paying dividends immediately (Whitman). Once they are able to add recent USC transfer Collin Robinson next season, I think it will finally be time to do some dancing.

That's a monstrous baseball score. Who was the winning pitcher?

In support of JZ, B-Ball is a frequently used term for hoops; I've never seen baseball referred to as B-Ball

Cornell. Basketball. Winning.

Really amazing.

I know, I know... I just thought it was funny that he/she used "B-Ball" once, then other than the score, never gave one bit of information that revealed what sport it was. I guess my joke just wasn't that funny.

Beeeej
I know, I know... I just thought it was funny that he/she used "B-Ball" once, then other than the score, never gave one bit of information that revealed what sport it was. I guess my joke just wasn't that funny.

Yeah, because with only two sports being referred to as b-ball, it was really hard to tell, since so much baseball is going on in November.

French Rage

Beeeej
I know, I know... I just thought it was funny that he/she used "B-Ball" once, then other than the score, never gave one bit of information that revealed what sport it was. I guess my joke just wasn't that funny.

Yeah, because with only two sports being referred to as b-ball, it was really hard to tell, since so much baseball is going on in November.

You do get that I actually did understand what sport was being talked about, yes? The point of the joke was that even though I knew, it still required assumptions. Let it go. Sheesh!

Damn! And here I thought we were poised to be on the verge of national recognition in bocce ball.

Hoops holds off Stony Brook 76-72 in the home opener tonight. They shot 67% in the first and 33% in the second. Yikes. They can't shoot 33% for a half and expect to compete in the 14 games that count.

Chris '03
They can't shoot 33% for a half and expect to compete in the 14 games that count.

Oh sure they can. This is Ivy league basketball, remember? My friends and I used to make bets on whether or not one of the teams would score 20 points by halftime.

In all seriousness however, it's good to see the team off to a 2-0 start against teams other than like, Ithaca College.

Who's Beeej?

Apparently Cornell's win over a Big-Ten school was not that big of a deal. Harvard defeated Maine at home and received one top-25 vote in the AP poll! Is Harvard expected to win the Ivy League title this season?

[sports.yahoo.com]

Adam Gore is out for the season with a torn ACL, injured in the Northwestern game.

Al DeFlorio
Adam Gore is out for the season with a torn ACL, injured in the Northwestern game.

That's devastating. He's fantastic. The freshmen were already making a major contribution; now they'll have to do the heavy lifting.

What a shame about Gore. With him they would be legitimate Ivy contenders; hard to believe they can remain in the hunt without him. That being said, this is probably the best Freshman class I've seen in my 25 years(!) of following Cornell basketball. Dale is explosive, Wittman tremendously poised and talented, and some of the other Frosh are making solid contributions.

I'm planning to see them next Tuesday at West Point so I can report see first-hand how they are progressing.

Al DeFlorio
Adam Gore is out for the season with a torn ACL, injured in the Northwestern game.

Aaaaaaaaaargh!

Of course, compared to last season, this is almost good news. Has anyone seen an update on Grant?

A great site for Cornell basketball discussion and information is on the Cornell message board at:

[boards.basketball-u.com]

Hoping to get me more Cornell basketball fans to participate.

From the Ithaca Journal:


Khaliq Gant, who suffered a serious neck injury back in January, is back on campus and attending all team functions. “Khaliq is in everything we do,” Head Coach Steve Donahue said. “He's at every practice, all the strength and conditioning sessions, team meetings. He's a tremendous leader and he's helping guys all the time.”

Northwestern almost lost to DIII Wheaton College Thursday evening. For those who are not familiar with Wheaton Collge, suffice it to say that it is Billy Graham's alma mater.

[q]"Fear David," indeed

Wheaton nearly pulls off colossal upset

By Adam Rittenberg
Daily Herald Sports Writer
Posted Friday, December 15, 2006

Early in the second half Thursday night, nine Wheaton College fans lined up in the row behind Northwestern?s basket.

Each man had a letter painted on his chest, spelling out a message:

"Fear David."

Make no mistake, Northwestern is anything but a hoops Goliath, a fact proven again Thursday. But Division III Wheaton made sure to bring its slingshots to Evanston -- and it nearly hit its mark.

A surreal atmosphere at Welsh-Ryan Arena nearly produced an equally surreal result. Wheaton center Andy Wiele missed a game-winning 3-pointer as time expired, allowing Northwestern to escape 41-39 in front of 3,542.

The Wildcats (6-2) won their fourth straight game by 2 points or fewer and their fifth straight overall. But unlike victories over Miami and Western Michigan, the Wildcats had nothing to celebrate.

"Definitely relief," said freshman forward Kevin Coble, who led Northwestern with 12 points, 10 after halftime. "We were lucky to get away with that one."

Wildcats coach Bill Carmody likened the game to a season-opening loss to Cornell, a depressing thought given the 34 days separating that disaster from Thursday's near catastrophe. Even in victory, Northwestern continues to struggle in critical areas.

.....

Welsh-Ryan hardly felt like the road for Wheaton. Its fans packed a corner of the arena, with dozens spilling into Northwestern's empty "Wild Side" student section.

Coble, who grew up in Arizona, has several high school friends who attend Wheaton.

"I actually talked to them this morning," Coble said. "They said they were going to bring the whole army out there, and they certainly did."[/q]

David Harding
For those who are not familiar with Wheaton College, suffice it to say that it is Billy Graham's alma mater.

And Dennis Hastert's.

Cornell lost (again) to Penn last night.

However, tonight they beat Princeton by TWENTY, holding them to 35 points, lowest for an Ivy game since the shot clock came in apparently.

Chris '03
Cornell lost (again) to Penn last night.

However, tonight they beat Princeton by TWENTY, holding them to 35 points, lowest for an Ivy game since the shot clock came in apparently.

And that came after trailing 9-0 early! Princeton must...well...suck.

Al DeFlorio

Chris '03
Cornell lost (again) to Penn last night.

However, tonight they beat Princeton by TWENTY, holding them to 35 points, lowest for an Ivy game since the shot clock came in apparently.

And that came after trailing 9-0 early! Princeton must...well...suck.

The glass-is-half-empty fans would believe that a big win over Princeton correlates to your conclusion ("Princton sucks" as opposed to Cornell's having climbed the mountain. Sigh. Hard to believe Princeton will be down for more than a couple years, just as you know that two off years for Cornell hockey or lacrosse are anomalies.

billhoward
The glass-is-half-empty fans would believe that a big win over Princeton correlates to your conclusion ("Princton sucks" as opposed to Cornell's having climbed the mountain. Sigh.

The fact that Columbia handled Princeton the night before is not a good sign for the Tigers. Unless, of course, Columbia has "climbed the mountain" coincidentally with us.

Columbia and Cornell are both much improved. Princeton was 9-4 coming into Ivy play and had a few nice wins this year including destroying Rice which boasts the NCAA's leading scorer and future NBA draft pick Morris Almond.

CornellFan
Columbia and Cornell are both much improved. Princeton was 9-4 coming into Ivy play and had a few nice wins this year including destroying Rice which boasts the NCAA's leading scorer and future NBA draft pick Morris Almond.

Worth noting that among Rice's nine wins this year were the following opponents: Incarnate Word, Paul Quinn, Texas-Permian Basin, Lamar, Prairie View A&M, Western Carolina, and East Carolina. In addition to Princeton, teams beating Rice include North Texas and Belmont. Not sure Rice really counts as a "nice win."

That said, I'm always happy to beat Princeton in basketball. Let's not get carried away yet with its significance, however. This team has nice young talent and is dealing well with injuries. Let's hope it's tendency to blow late leads has been deep-sixed.

56-51 victory over Columbia--they were down by seven points with less than 5 minutes left in the game. The team is learning from their "growing pains" collapses earlier this season and is now turning the tables, even with two consecutive poor shooting games. They are still very much in the running this year and next year (and beyond) could be really special.

Up by 5 at the end, and they lose with less than a second left on a layup. The women lost to Sucks too.

JohnnieAg'99
Up by 5 at the end, and they lose with less than a second left on a layup. The women lost to Sucks too.

And on a night that Penn lost to Yale to boot. We may be seeing a new age of parity in the Ivies.

JohnnieAg'99
Up by 5 at the end, and they lose with less than a second left on a layup. The women lost to Sucks too.

According to the cornellbigred.com recap, Harvard was up 63-58. Cornell came back to take a 64-63 lead, then lost it on a--literally--last second lay-up.

What's really disappointing is that Columbia crushed Harvard by 20 the night before, and Harvard could no longer play their top scorer and rebounder, who had run out of eligibility for this weekend's games.

Al DeFlorio
What's really disappointing is that Columbia crushed Harvard by 20 the night before, and Harvard could no longer play their top scorer and rebounder, who had run out of eligibility for this weekend's games.

How does a players eligibility run out midway through the season like this? I thought eligibility was counted in seasons, not games (apparently I'm wrong).

KeithK

Al DeFlorio
What's really disappointing is that Columbia crushed Harvard by 20 the night before, and Harvard could no longer play their top scorer and rebounder, who had run out of eligibility for this weekend's games.

How does a players eligibility run out midway through the season like this? I thought eligibility was counted in seasons, not games (apparently I'm wrong).

Harvard is just getting around to starting the second semester so I could see how there is a line here. I certainly recall hearing about players losing eligibilty midseason due to first semester grades. Is this guy a transfer? Maybe he transfered mid-year so his eligibility calendar is off.

nyc94
Harvard is just getting around to starting the second semester so I could see how there is a line here. I certainly recall hearing about players losing eligibilty midseason due to first semester grades. Is this guy a transfer? Maybe he transfered mid-year so his eligibility calendar is off.

I think eligibility is measured in semesters. Ugo I?????? on the Cornell basketball team will run out of eligibility after the fall semester next season. I think I read recently that he has chosen NOT to play with the team in the fall for the half-season. Prepping for med school, I think.

Thought I read that the Harvard kid was a 7-footer. Had lots of points and rebounds per game.

Freshman Alex Taylor Tyler was named Ivy rookie of the week.This makes the TENTH time this season the award has gone to a Cornellian (Wittman 5, Dale 4). There have been 11 winners this season. Cornell was off the week they didn't have the winner.

Looks like things are headed in the right direction!

EDIT: I knew I should have just used cut and paste...

It's called graduation....In the Ivy League if you don't have a reason to be in school academically, you don't get to play.

Just because one has completed his graduation requirements, does that mean he has to leave school? I don't feel like that is the case. If I hadn't applied to graduate, so long as I kept paying my tuition, wouldn't I have been allowed to stay and take more courses? Am I totally off-base here?

bandit1
It's called graduation....In the Ivy League if you don't have a reason to be in school academically, you don't get to play.

Maybe so. But I'd expect that if the kid had graduated then the cornellbigred.com blurb would have said "Harvard was playing its first game without leading scorer and rebounder Brian Cusworth, who graduated after the fall semester" rather than "...who exhausted his eligibility after the fall semester." Now maybe that's expecting a little too much of the Cornell SID [gratuitous dig] but I'm just saying...

Actually, his name is Alex Tyler.

Against Harvard, four Cornell freshmen combined for 47 points-- Dale 15 pts, Tyler 14 pts, Wittman 12 points, and rapidly developing Geoff Reeves with 6 points. The night before against Dartmouth, Reeves had a career high 7 points. He is still recovering from a major injury. Alex Tyler had 14 pts, Wittman 14 points, Dale 9 points.

Four freshmen leading the way of a team 4-2 in the Ivy and with an overall winning record AND without Adam Gore and Jason Hartford-- not to mention our USC transfer Collin Robinson and seven footer Jeff Foote from St. Bona.

This team will be a force next year. Get on the bandwagon before it leaves.

The Harvard Crimson
The fifth-year senior from St. Louis finished his eighth semester and his Harvard degree in biology this January, rendering him ineligible, as a midyear graduate, to play for the Crimson during the second term.

[www.thecrimson.com]

Keith K, Harvard should have mentioned he graduated but for whatever reason did not. There are no automatic fifth years in this league. Makes it tough when a student misses an entire season due to injury but is on target to graduate on time.

Wittman, Dale, and Reeves are fantastic young talent for the Big Red...Jeff Foote, although tall is unproven and Hartford has been here for 2 years, leaving him in need of? You guessed it a 5th year.

bandit1
Keith K, Harvard should have mentioned he graduated but for whatever reason did not. There are no automatic fifth years in this league. Makes it tough when a student misses an entire season due to injury but is on target to graduate on time.

The Ivy League *generally* allows medical redshirts, but you still have to petition for them on a case-by-case basis. See Auger, Vinnie.

Robb

bandit1
Keith K, Harvard should have mentioned he graduated but for whatever reason did not. There are no automatic fifth years in this league. Makes it tough when a student misses an entire season due to injury but is on target to graduate on time.

The Ivy League *generally* allows medical redshirts, but you still have to petition for them on a case-by-case basis. See Auger, Vinnie.

And couldn't you continue playing by going to grad school? I seem to remember the RB Oliaro (sp?) doing that, right?

ugarte, only if the student-athlete graduates early would they be able to compete as a graduate student...note Kevin Rooney (football) graduated in 4 years, but still had a year of eligibility. He was not able to compete as a grad student..

bandit1
ugarte, only if the student-athlete graduates early would they be able to compete as a graduate student...note Kevin Rooney (football) graduated in 4 years, but still had a year of eligibility. He was not able to compete as a grad student..

Yep - the Ivy League wants you to use your 4 years of eligibility in the first 4 years after your initial matriculation date. Competing in your 5th year of "higher education" is (generally, exceptions can be petitioned) a no-no, regardless of whether you're registered as a grad or undergrad in your 5th year.

Robb

bandit1
Yep - the Ivy League wants you to use your 4 years of eligibility in the first 4 years after your initial matriculation date. Competing in your 5th year of "higher education" is (generally, exceptions can be petitioned) a no-no, regardless of whether you're registered as a grad or undergrad in your 5th year.

Right. But if you've used three years of eligibility at an Ivy, I think you could go to grad school at a non-Ivy and get your fourth year of eligibility, a la Matt Pollock wrestling this year at Hofstra.

 

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Al DeFlorio '65

Sure, it's a hockey forum, but on this section why not start a new thread for each basketball game? Easier for the rest of us to follow.

billhoward
Sure, it's a hockey forum, but on this section why not start a new thread for each basketball game? Easier for the rest of us to follow.

Because we aren't even talking about basketball. I'll start a thread for the Yale game, though. Big, big game.

Al DeFlorio

Robb
Yep - the Ivy League wants you to use your 4 years of eligibility in the first 4 years after your initial matriculation date. Competing in your 5th year of "higher education" is (generally, exceptions can be petitioned) a no-no, regardless of whether you're registered as a grad or undergrad in your 5th year.

Right. But if you've used three years of eligibility at an Ivy, I think you could go to grad school at a non-Ivy and get your fourth year of eligibility, a la Matt Pollock wrestling this year at Hofstra.

Tyler Shovlin '05 did the same thing at UNC-Greensboro

The rules change from time to time. There have been a couple of Cornellians who competed as graduate students. I remember Joe Holland '78 sitting out a year when he transferred to Cornell, then staying on for another year of football as a masters student. Shortly after Holland's success, the Ivies passed a rule explictly prohibited graduate students from competing even if they had eligibility left under NCAA rules. Almost 20 years later they relaxed the rule, and Tom Brownlie '98(?) took advantage of the change to play tennis while working on his masters degree. [www.news.cornell.edu] I don't know whether the rule has changed again or whether any other Cornellian has used it since then.

Al DeFlorio
Right. But if you've used three years of eligibility at an Ivy, I think you could go to grad school at a non-Ivy and get your fourth year of eligibility, a la Matt Pollock wrestling this year at Hofstra.

That makes sense, since it is the Ivies that won't let you compete in the 5th year. As long as you meet the criteria for the NCAA and your grad school, the Ivy rule wouldn't matter.

Robb
That makes sense, since it is the Ivies that won't let you compete in the 5th year. As long as you meet the criteria for the NCAA and your grad school, the Ivy rule wouldn't matter.

Another example I just noticed: Yale's lacrosse face-off specialist last year (ranked 3rd in the nation), Dan Kallaugher, is in grad school at Loyola (Maryland) and will be using his fourth year of eligibility this spring.