Cornell football 2023

Color on color is great, but it should be Red vs. Columbia in the light blues. Those black pants look stupid on our team, and Columbia looks stupid in general.

Typical.

CAS
Cornell is a 1.5 point favorite at home vs
Columbia, who are 0-6 in Ivy play.

Columbia has been a perennial doormat in the league, and we've joined them. But I thought a few years ago Columbia brought in a sports consultant who came up with a plan to elevate Columbia football. For a while it seemed to be working.

Can any of you explain what happened to bring the Lions back down to earth?

Swampy

CAS
Cornell is a 1.5 point favorite at home vs
Columbia, who are 0-6 in Ivy play.

Columbia has been a perennial doormat in the league, and we've joined them. But I thought a few years ago Columbia brought in a sports consultant who came up with a plan to elevate Columbia football. For a while it seemed to be working.

Can any of you explain what happened to bring the Lions back down to earth?

Because their great head coach Al Bagnoli retired before the season due to health reasons.

Cornell's run defense is god awful.

Columbia 7-0, near end of Q1.

Ken711
Cornell's run defense is god awful.

And the pass defense? Against the worst offense in the league?

Columbia is fired up. Cornell is flat.

Al DeFlorio

Ken711
Cornell's run defense is god awful.

And the pass defense? Against the worst offense in the league?

Equally as atrocious. Fire Archer!

Just turned it on. Down 10-0 to Columbia. Ouch. Guess I'll turn back to H-Y.

Not what one hoped.

mike1960
A real chance at victory today, my friends.

damn this is a rough first post to see as i've been watching the game while typing up the wrestling season preview and right after the columbia backup qb ran for a 65-yard touchdown, flat outrunning the defensive backs. at least while i was typing this columbia took a point off the board when they accepted an offsides call on the xp then got stuffed on the two-point rushing attempt. this half has been pathetic with absolutely nothing to like except a single long pass from Wang to Kizer.

Down 19-0! In the first half! This is death. It's almost as if they are trying to get Archer canned.

19-0. Until today, Columbia has averaged 14 points per game.

George64
19-0. Until today, Columbia has averaged 14 points per game.

This is disgraceful. The only thing worse is Columbia’s uniforms.

If David Archer doesn't resign or isn't fired by Monday then Nikki Moore isn't doing her job. It's been obvious since the day Andy hired Archer more than a decade ago!!!!

Absolutely no time to throw the football.

ugarte

mike1960
A real chance at victory today, my friends.

damn this is a rough first post to see as i've been watching the game while typing up the wrestling season preview and right after the columbia backup qb ran for a 65-yard touchdown, flat outrunning the defensive backs. at least while i was typing this columbia took a point off the board when they accepted an offsides call on the xp then got stuffed on the two-point rushing attempt. this half has been pathetic with absolutely nothing to like except a single long pass from Wang to Kizer.

Down 19-0! In the first half! This is death. It's almost as if they are trying to get Archer canned.

You spoke too soon! 22-0 at half.

It’s no wonder we no longer play Ithaca College.

And Columbia hits a FG as time expires to go into the half 22-0.

arugula
It’s no wonder we no longer play Ithaca College.

lol

Yards in 1st half - Columbia 298, Cornell 75. Is Cornell playing the Georgia Bulldogs?

CAS
Yards in 1st half - Columbia 298, Cornell 75. Is Cornell playing the Georgia Bulldogs?

H-Y or Y-H in my house is a great game.

arugula

CAS
Yards in 1st half - Columbia 298, Cornell 75. Is Cornell playing the Georgia Bulldogs?

H-Y or Y-H in my house is a great game.

If Y holds on, the League title splits three ways. Dartmouth up huge on Brown late, 38-13.

Dartmouth is a great story.

arugula
Dartmouth is a great story.

Certainly is. Good for them. Thrilling finish to the Ivy League football season, a finish with which the Big Red of course had nothing to do.

tycho

arugula
Dartmouth is a great story.

Certainly is. Good for them. Thrilling finish to the Ivy League football season, a finish with which the Big Red of course had nothing to do.

Though, as I type that, Cornell's thrilling early road upset against Y mattered in the end... maybe that'll be the PR headline tomorrow... Big Red leads League from behind, helps determine split title.

Cornell driving for the tie if the score a two point conversion.

Ken711
Cornell driving for the tie if the score a two point conversion.

An astonishingly bad pass.

How on Gods name did we ever beat Yale?

arugula

Ken711
Cornell driving for the tie if the score a two point conversion.

An astonishingly bad pass.

Yep, the only good thing from this loss would be if its finally bye bye David Archer.

arugula
How on Gods name did we ever beat Yale?

Luck on a late FG.

Yes but why was it even close

Finished the year losing 7 of their last 8 games

Perfect ending. Don’t step out of bounds and stop the clock. So dumb.

arugula
Perfect ending. Don’t step out of bounds and stop the clock. So dumb.

The timeout after the lengthy review was really something too.

Okay, thankfully it is over.
Simply put, Archer should be gone tonight. Get serious about it - stop the charade...

Assuming Archer is gone, is there any reason to think a new regime will be any better? Can Cornell do anything to be competitive in football, or are we Brown hockey?

jmeaneyjr
Okay, thankfully it is over.
Simply put, Archer should be gone tonight. Get serious about it - stop the charade...

The thought is in the right place, but the timing is off. Ideally, Nicki Moore would've met Archer on the field as the teams departed and handed him the pink slip right then and there, as the Arizona State brass did to Herm Edwards early last season.

29-71 overall, 19-51 in the Ivy League, punctuated by a loss at home to a team previously winless in conference.

This should be the end — but the thing is, I don't know that it will be. I wouldn't put anything past anyone in the top echelons of Cornell Athletics at this juncture.

Good question! You have to start with the coach, though. Time for the AD to act.

Eh. Cornell was predicted to finish seventh of eight. Cornell finished seventh of eight. Cornell and Archer are meeting expectations!

/s

Chris '03

arugula
Perfect ending. Don’t step out of bounds and stop the clock. So dumb.

The timeout after the lengthy review was really something too.

Both of these, SMH.

Trotsky
Assuming Archer is gone, is there any reason to think a new regime will be any better? Can Cornell do anything to be competitive in football, or are we Brown hockey?

It starts with hiring the head coach, one that surrounds himself with a competent assistant staff. A head coach that has a proven background of winning. Simple answer yes.

I have been big backer of Dave Archer over the years. He bleeds red and white and has been in his "dream job" for 10 years. 30 seniors still being on the team speaks positive that the guys like being in the program. Unfortunately I think it's time to move on. I raise the question of whether football success is possible at Cornell given current conditions.

I spoke with Andy after their huge lopsided 66-0 loss to Princeton on October 27, 2018. That was 5 years and Andy said they were hopeful Archer was going to turn it around. Well now we see how seriously misplaced their hopes were.

rss77
I have been big backer of Dave Archer over the years. He bleeds red and white and has been in his "dream job" for 10 years. 30 seniors still being on the team speaks positive that the guys like being in the program. Unfortunately I think it's time to move on. I raise the question of whether football success is possible at Cornell given current conditions.

+1. Well said.

As I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.

Local Motion
As I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.

You are completely delusional. The football program was a disaster before Martha Pollack, it’s a disaster under Martha Pollack, and it will likely be a disaster long after Martha Pollack is gone. I don’t even have a perspective on Martha Pollack one way or the other, but one thing I can tell you for certain is that she has almost zero to do with the failures of the football program. Did Martha Pollack also tell the hockey team to pass the puck around the perimeter for the full five-minute power play tonight against Princeton?

BearLover

Local Motion
As I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.

You are completely delusional. The football program was a disaster before Martha Pollack, it’s a disaster under Martha Pollack, and it will likely be a disaster long after Martha Pollack is gone. I don’t even have a perspective on Martha Pollack one way or the other, but one thing I can tell you for certain is that she has almost zero to do with the failures of the football program. Did Martha Pollack also tell the hockey team to pass the puck around the perimeter for the full five-minute power play tonight against Princeton?

I asked CNN and they definitely said yes

Local Motion
As I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.

Nope you're wrong again. What Cornell deserves is an athletic director that will do his/her job. Andy failed miserably in overseeing the football program. Nicki Moore has more than enough information on David Archer's ability to be successful or not. Ten straight losing seasons by the same head coach, something never before seen in NCCA FCS coaching history is justification enough to do her job and dismiss if Archer immediately, if he doesn't do the honorable thing and resign on his own. Andy made a cheap quick hire in naming David Archer head coach, who as an assistant football coach had NEVER experienced a winning season in his entire coaching career, nor had he ever advanced to a coordinator coaching position, yet was named the Cornell head football coach. It's time for the new AD to do her job and bring in a new coaching staff with a winning background.

BearLover

Local Motion
As I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.

You are completely delusional. The football program was a disaster before Martha Pollack, it’s a disaster under Martha Pollack, and it will likely be a disaster long after Martha Pollack is gone. I don’t even have a perspective on Martha Pollack one way or the other, but one thing I can tell you for certain is that she has almost zero to do with the failures of the football program. Did Martha Pollack also tell the hockey team to pass the puck around the perimeter for the full five-minute power play tonight against Princeton?

+1 well said.

Local Motion
As I have said before Cornell's football season is like the Martha Pollack administration. Ever since she has become president at Cornell the only news coming from the Eaat Hill is bad news. Just ask CNN. Cornell needs a new leader who brings positive energy back to our campus. Whether it's threats of violence on campus, student depression, or a football team who can't even beat Columbia, our students deserve a leader who cares, shows empathy to our students, and brings optimism back to Cornell.

For fuck's sake how is it Martha Pollack's fault that a student went postal on social media?

This is a bad take and you should feel bad.

BearLover
Did Martha Pollack also tell the hockey team to pass the puck around the perimeter for the full five-minute power play tonight against Princeton?

Well if she did that bitch has a lot to answer for.

Ken711
Ten straight losing seasons by the same head coach, something never before seen in NCCA FCS coaching history

OTOH, just a few more years and he can qualify.

Note: Bill Klika, the 4th worst winning percentage in NCAA history for coaches with at least 100 losses, did his work at Fairleigh Dickinson–Florham. He retired in 2001, but Dave did his assistant coaching gig there in 2006 (where FDF went 2-8).

Can the student surpass the master?

Trotsky

Ken711
Ten straight losing seasons by the same head coach, something never before seen in NCCA FCS coaching history

OTOH, just a few more years and he can qualify.

Qualify for what, Social Security, as he coaches Cornell football until he's 65.

arugula
How on Gods name did we ever beat Yale?

Maybe She thought RBG was better than the Justices coming out of New Haven Law. Or just had a sense of humor.

Jake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who’s fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.

arugula
Jake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who’s fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.

It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.

Syracuse just fired their head coach Dino Barbers. Maybe he wants to stay in upstate NY.

What a good story it would have been had Archer been the one to restore the Cornell football program to something resembling respectibility. But it was not to be, and practicality must take the place of sentimentality (to the extent any such thing exists as far as Archer is concerned). And practicality tells us that it's time for Cornell and for Archer to move on. I wish him well, but he is a failure of a coach, who leaves much on the field with the talent his team already clearly possesses. My fear is that any coach worth hiring will not be interested -- and in any case, player development takes time and the bleeding'll likely continue. But my hope is that a change will bring with it the sort of alumni engagement the program so desparately needs to rebuild the program into something the University at least needn't be embarrassed by. Academics first and foremost -- we know this isn't the B1G or SEC -- but school pride and spirit are important, to students, faculty, and alumni. Football is a part of that, and of the League's DNA. Go Big Red.

Meantime, I enjoyed the League football season as a whole and the finish yesterday. Good parity, with lots of teams in it until late. What a good story at Dartmouth after the Buddy Teevens tragedy, and that H-Y game befitted the history of that rivalry.

Ken711

Trotsky
Assuming Archer is gone, is there any reason to think a new regime will be any better? Can Cornell do anything to be competitive in football, or are we Brown hockey?

It starts with hiring the head coach, one that surrounds himself with a competent assistant staff. A head coach that has a proven background of winning. Simple answer yes.

Good points. But a prior question is if Nicki Moore can discern & hire such a person.

She spent over a decade as junior AD at U. of Oklahoma, which with regard to football might bode well. But Oklahoma football wasn't exactly a model of championship football or conformance to NCAA rules during this time, and let's not even mention Cornell & U of Oklahoma in the same breath when it comes to academics.

From 2018 to 2023 she was AD at Colgate, which is a better comparison (but academically still considerably inferior) to Cornell. 'Gate did win the Patriot League championship in 2018, but never after that. In fact, during the years she was AD at Colgate, the 2018 football team was the only Colgate team to win a Patriot League championship in any sport.

So, a search for a new coach is cause for optimism, but our current AD's record is not. Let's wish her luck. She's going to need it.

Ken711
Syracuse just fired their head coach Dino Barbers. Maybe he wants to stay in upstate NY.

Babers was 19-7 at Eastern Illinois and 18-9 at Bowling Green. Might be a good fit at Cornell.

Swampy

From 2018 to 2023 she was AD at Colgate, which is a better comparison (but academically still considerably inferior) to Cornell. 'Gate did win the Patriot League championship in 2018, but never after that. In fact, during the years she was AD at Colgate, the 2018 football team was the only Colgate team to win a Patriot League championship in any sport.

So, a search for a new coach is cause for optimism, but our current AD's record is not. Let's wish her luck. She's going to need it.

At the risk of thread drift, as parent of both a Cornell graduate and a current Colgate senior, it’s preposterous to say Colgate is “considerably inferior” academically to Cornell. Admission stats are pretty close (Colgate avg. ACT: 32/34, Cornell: 33/35), and from my kids’ experience the caliber of students and quality of the classroom rigor is pretty much the same.

Ken711

arugula
Jake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who’s fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.

It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.

I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...

I agree-not a Colgate grad but that was a pretty ignorant remark. Excellent school academically-Just want to beat them in football.

Colgate is an outstanding university and great Cornell rivalry.

In terms of my criticism of Martha Pollack she has simply not been a good fit at Cornell. Just ask the Michigan alums she was not a popular Provost in Ann Arbor and was never going to get the president's job at that great institution. I have an older sister who was in Martha Pollack's 1979 Class at Dartmouth and she was a strange bird then and not much has changed. She couldn't believe it when Martha Pollack was tapped as Cornell's president in 2017.

In terms of Cornell football, Martha Pollack rarely attends any games and this year she blew off Homecoming as well. As soon as Martha Pollack arrived at Cornell she attacked Greek Life almost non-stop and proceeded to cut $1MM out of Any Noel's budget on day one. That is the reality of the situation. I think we are all excited about Cornell's new AD Nicki Moore, but dealing with this administration will not be easy. Go Big Red!!!

scoop85

Swampy

From 2018 to 2023 she was AD at Colgate, which is a better comparison (but academically still considerably inferior) to Cornell. 'Gate did win the Patriot League championship in 2018, but never after that. In fact, during the years she was AD at Colgate, the 2018 football team was the only Colgate team to win a Patriot League championship in any sport.

So, a search for a new coach is cause for optimism, but our current AD's record is not. Let's wish her luck. She's going to need it.

At the risk of thread drift, as parent of both a Cornell graduate and a current Colgate senior, it’s preposterous to say Colgate is “considerably inferior” academically to Cornell. Admission stats are pretty close (Colgate avg. ACT: 32/34, Cornell: 33/35), and from my kids’ experience the caliber of students and quality of the classroom rigor is pretty much the same.

Sorry. Maybe I'm basing my judgement on a biased & unrepresentative sample. But I base my comment on my own experience in Cornell's Engineering school compared to someone I had worked with, a Colgate graduate who had majored in geology and was working on a master's degree but didn't have a command of ninth-grade algebra.

tycho

Ken711

arugula
Jake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who’s fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.

It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.

I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...

Official announcement from Athletics: Cornell Announces Change in Football Leadership

tycho

Ken711

arugula
Jake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who’s fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.

It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.

I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...

You can believe it now that it's official. It was posted on the Ivy League Sports Board this morning that he was out.

Ken711

tycho

Ken711

arugula
Jake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who’s fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.

It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.

I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...

You can believe it now that it's official. It was posted on the Ivy League Sports Board this morning that he was out.

Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle. Have to figure Archer has a lot to think about now that he's snapped about the longest leash in Division I. Cornell and Nicki Moore, even more so.

kingpin248

tycho

Ken711

arugula
Jake Novak-a Columbia football blogger who’s fairly plugged in Says Archer is gone.

It's been reported by a poster on the Ivy League Sports Board that he's out. Please let these reports be verified as true.

I'll believe it when I see it, and even then...

Official announcement from Athletics: Cornell Announces Change in Football Leadership

i respect the way they have him a dignified send off. this is as kind as "you're fired" gets.

I hope the Cornell hiring committee is not too proud to consider coaches from DII and DIII championship winning teams. Lance Leipold won DIII titles at Wisconsin-Whitewater and then turned around the program at Buffalo. He then took a historically awful program at Kansas and has them approaching respectability. When it's all said and done, football is just football, and a coach who wins championship at the college level knows what he's doing.

Local Motion
In terms of Cornell football, Martha Pollack rarely attends any games and this year she blew off Homecoming as well.

Well, yeah, we suck!

And saying Pollack attacked Greek Life as a criticism is, shall we say, not a universally held opinion. Some have a rather jaundiced view of our "peculiar institution."

mike1960
I hope the Cornell hiring committee is not too proud to consider coaches from DII and DIII championship winning teams. Lance Leipold won DIII titles at Wisconsin-Whitewater and then turned around the program at Buffalo. He then took a historically awful program at Kansas and has them approaching respectability. When it's all said and done, football is just football, and a coach who wins championship at the college level knows what he's doing.

I agree. I still think a good coaching candidate to consider is Dan Swanstrom. He is the current offensive coordinator at U of Penn. He was the former head coach at Ithaca College posting the highest winning percentage for any coach in program history that has coached more than one season. Swanstrom went 32-11 (.744) and his teams registered eight wins in all four seasons in which they took the field. Also look at the job that the job that Bob Chesney has done at Holy Cross. Chesny came to Holy Cross after a successful 44–16 (.733) run at Division II Assumption College. So yes, a successful Div 2 or 3 coach should definitely be considered. Former U of Penn and Columbia head coach Al Bagnoli took over at Penn after leading Div 3 Union to the playoffs.

Ken711
Want a logical replacement for Archer. Look no further that U. of Penn's Offensive Coordinator Dan Swanstrom. He was went 32-11 (.744) and his teams registered eight wins in all four seasons in which they took led Ithaca College as their head coach. Knows the Ivy League, was a former head coach, and has even lived in the Ithaca area.

You got it right!

Zero personality but will give him a chance.

rss77
Zero personality but will give him a chance.

Never met the guy, but he was Penn's recruiting coordinator in his first stint with the Quakers and must've recruited well enough at IC for him to go 32-11 there.

He's a great choice,

rss77
Zero personality but will give him a chance.

He has a solid record at Ithaca College. Penn always scored more than 20 points in their games in 2023 with Swanstrom as their OC. It looks like a good hire.

mike1960

rss77
Zero personality but will give him a chance.

He has a solid record at Ithaca College. Penn always scored more than 20 points in their games in 2023 with Swanstrom as their OC. It looks like a good hire.

His family loved the Ithaca area while he was at IC. I hope the University commitment to winning extends beyond just his hiring but providing him with the funds to hire a great staff and in the recruitment area.

Update: Cortland won the 2023 D-III championship 38-37 over North Central (Ill.) 38-37 12/15. #1 North Central scored with a minute left, went for 2 to win and didn't make it.
In the FCS semifinal, Albany got clobbered by South Dakota State, 59-0.

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4 of the 32 NCAA D-III football playoff teams were from New York State: Cortland, Ithaca, Union and Alfred State. Cortland made it to the title game (Friday, 7 pm). So there is some football capability within a short drive from East Hill. Ithaca has been to the championship game 7 times in 50 years, won 3. Union made it twice. won 1. Wagner (on Long Island) won 1.


D-III NYS Football Team Made This Far in 2023 Playoffs:

Round of 32
Alfred State (lost to Mt. Union 56-14)

Round of 16
Ithaca (beaten by Randolph-Macon)
Union (beaten by Hopkins)

Quarterfinals

Semifinals

Finals, Friday 12/15, 7:00 EST
Cortland, 13-1 vs. North Central College, 14-0 (Naperville, Ill.)


Also in the FCS of D1 (the one the Ivy League could be in, if we were allowed in by the Ivy Group presidents, those still left), Albany (NY not GA) plays #1 South Dakota State Friday 12/15.

Albany and Cortland both on TV at the same time friday night, cool for NY teams

billhoward
Wagner (on Long Island)

No. Just no.

Correct is on Staten (not Long) Island. A place where the school motto should be, "How Much Off for Cash?" I'm surprised there wasn't a rebellion when the first toll readers went onto the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge. Some people there are believed to underreport their incomes.

Wagner about 25 years ago, previous administration, had aspirations of being an Ivy caliber school, sized like an Amherst or Williams. The selling point was: Near New York, not really in New York (Manhattan) where your daughter might get mugged. Wagner is #69 (make a good fraternity T-shirt) in US News regional colleges Northeast where 1-2-3 are Bentley-Providence-TCNJ, Ithaca is 13, and schools around #70 include Alfred, Central Connecticut and Eastern Connecticut State.

Correct is on Staten (not Long) Island. A place where the school motto should be, "How Much Off for Cash?" I'm surprised there wasn't a rebellion when the first toll readers went onto the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge. Some people there are believed to underreport their incomes.

Wagner about 25 years ago, previous administration, had aspirations of being an Ivy caliber school, sized like an Amherst or Williams. The selling point was: Near New York, not really in New York (Manhattan) where your daughter might get mugged. Wagner is #69 (make a good fraternity T-shirt) in US News regional colleges Northeast where 1-2-3 are Bentley-Providence-TCNJ, Ithaca is 13, and schools around #70 include Alfred, Central Connecticut and Eastern Connecticut State.

Bill-kinda not a nice thing to write. I recall at MSG last year a Cornell supporter started chanting “safety school” at UCONN. I told him to shut up first because did you actually apply to UConn and second because that’s only funny if you chant it at Harvard.

Agreed

arugula
Bill-kinda not a nice thing to write. I recall at MSG last year a Cornell supporter started chanting “safety school” at UCONN. I told him to shut up first because did you actually apply to UConn and second because that’s only funny if you chant it at Harvard.

Cornell hockey fans have been chanting “safety school” at actual safety schools for awhile now (well, maybe not this year—the fans seem to have forgotten most of the cheers). It’s pretentious. And it’s rude, but that’s the point. I don’t like the cheer, except against Quinnipiac, because they deserve it.

BearLover

arugula
Bill-kinda not a nice thing to write. I recall at MSG last year a Cornell supporter started chanting “safety school” at UCONN. I told him to shut up first because did you actually apply to UConn and second because that’s only funny if you chant it at Harvard.

Cornell hockey fans have been chanting “safety school” at actual safety schools for awhile now (well, maybe not this year—the fans seem to have forgotten most of the cheers). It’s pretentious. And it’s rude, but that’s the point. I don’t like the cheer, except against Quinnipiac, because they deserve it.

Well aware of that, What sort of insecurity makes it so important to diminish the other schools in that way? Thats the kind of thing we hate in our supposed betters. We're supposed to be the "People's Ivy." I've said the same thing since 1983. I've never found it funny, which is what I think is the point. Easy to be rude, not easy to be funny and/or witty. My favorite chant is the one at Princeton-"Primary color, secondary color." Anyone can yell-"f-you" or "safety school." Not funny or witty unless it's at HYP. Otherwise, not rude, douchey.

As I'm sure is the case in your life and job, some of the best people I've worked with came from "safety" schools or worse (and some are even from Staten Island, Bill) and some of the of the worst came from "elite" schools. I loved the nurse my wife had when she was in the hospital, who graduated from...Quinnipiac. Thank God for her.

There are better ways than that ad hominem, vaguely bigoted attack on Staten Island (this from me, a snooty Manhattanite) from Bill above, which where this started and there are better ways to abuse the opponent than being so uncreative.

Sort of what Schaf was talking about.

Anyone with a realistic chance of acceptance to Cornell should not bother applying to Quinnipiac.

I think it’s a good cheer against Colgate. That stings a bit.

Stings who? How insecure do you have to be to take pleasure in that?

CU2007
Anyone with a realistic chance of acceptance to Cornell should not bother applying to Quinnipiac.

I think it’s a good cheer against Colgate. That stings a bit.

You completely missed the point. I’m not saying Cornell isn’t a “better@ school. I’m simply saying it’s a douchey thing to chant. Be creative.

it’s playful banter at a sporting event. I get a kick out of people taking shots at Cornell too - I don’t feel offended. It’s just not that serious - nothing really is.

CU2007
it’s playful banter at a sporting event. I get a kick out of people taking shots at Cornell too - I don’t feel offended. It’s just not that serious - nothing really is.

I mostly agree and I’m not offended by it I just find it stupid and reflective of deep insecurity. Plus im not convinced that everyone who chants that stuff does it with a sense of fun. Fun would be chanting it at HYP. As we see above, they’re interested in it “stinging”. That’s just being a jerk. Be creative. Goalie … sieve. Warm up the bus. Primary color.

Unrelated I said a few weeks ago no wonder we don’t schedule IC in football. Add Cortland to that. What a game! Congrats to the Red Dragons.

CU2007
Goalie … sieve. Warm up the bus. Primary color.

Princeton’s in New Jersey.
Bush went to Yale.
Eh, oh right, Penn doesn’t have a hockey team!

arugula
Unrelated I said a few weeks ago no wonder we don’t schedule IC in football. Add Cortland to that. What a game! Congrats to the Red Dragons.

It would be too embarrassing if we played them and lost.

Exactly

Cornell is playing Albany next season. Albany is semi-finalist in the FCS playoffs. That will be a huge test of the current state of the Cornell football program.

Ken711
Cornell is playing Albany next season. Albany is semi-finalist in the FCS playoffs. That will be a huge test of the current state of the Cornell football program.

FWIW, in the semifinal game yesterday the Albany Great Danes were blown out by the defending champion South Dakota State Jackrabbits 0-59.

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Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football

David Harding

Ken711
Cornell is playing Albany next season. Albany is semi-finalist in the FCS playoffs. That will be a huge test of the current state of the Cornell football program.

FWIW, in the semifinal game yesterday the Albany Great Danes were blown out by the defending champion South Dakota State Jackrabbits 0-59.

South Dakota State is a FBS school in disguise.