Expansion
Posted by David Harding
Expansion
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 05, 2022 09:02PM
Plans are moving forward to double the size of Thurston Hall. [ithacavoice.com]
Re: Expansion
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 06, 2022 04:48PM
Bleep! Evenings and weekends, it was a good place to find parking behind Thurston and the gorge. Parking for alumni versus learning space for students seems like a close call to me.David Harding
Plans are moving forward to double the size of Thurston Hall. [ithacavoice.com]
I'd like to see a feasibility study of a Cornell academic building bridging the gorge. (Yes, sarcasm font.) Frank Lloyd Wright showed it could be done (next time, maybe a little more fit and finish) with Falling Waters. The architecture building, um, Milstein Hall, I think it is, made a tentative extension above University Avenue but could've gone another 50 feet. The original 1970s plan for the Johnson Museum imagined an underground extension under University Avenue and ending in Windows on the Gorge. Didn't happen. Best we got was the glassy pillbox extending Uris Library.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: April 06, 2022 05:34PM
billhoward
Bleep! Evenings and weekends, it was a good place to find parking behind Thurston and the gorge. Parking for alumni versus learning space for students seems like a close call to me.David Harding
Plans are moving forward to double the size of Thurston Hall. [ithacavoice.com]
From what I can see in the article, the parking is intact. It's the engineering quad that's getting chewed up.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: April 06, 2022 06:29PM
billhoward
Bleep! Evenings and weekends, it was a good place to find parking behind Thurston and the gorge. Parking for alumni versus learning space for students seems like a close call to me.David Harding
Plans are moving forward to double the size of Thurston Hall. [ithacavoice.com]
I'd like to see a feasibility study of a Cornell academic building bridging the gorge. (Yes, sarcasm font.) Frank Lloyd Wright showed it could be done (next time, maybe a little more fit and finish) with Falling Waters. The architecture building, um, Milstein Hall, I think it is, made a tentative extension above University Avenue but could've gone another 50 feet. The original 1970s plan for the Johnson Museum imagined an underground extension under University Avenue and ending in Windows on the Gorge. Didn't happen. Best we got was the glassy pillbox extending Uris Library.
as that whole road on the north side of campus is in danger if sliding away good thing they didnt go much further north.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 06, 2022 06:42PM
Tough call, which advantages alumni better. I suppose if it's a tossup, then we should think about which better educates students.Jeff Hopkins '82
From what I can see in the article, the parking is intact. It's the engineering quad that's getting chewed up.
This may be heresy, but rather than chew up green space, would it kill us to have a couple more buildings go up 6, 8, maybe 10 stories and leave some green space? OK, if was on the back of the engineering quad by the gorge, say it ruins the view from that glossy, shiny, mirrored building that replaces Collegetown Bagels and adds additional apartments that, what, 10% of students can afford? Were this CTB-replacement planted there anytime pre-2000, it would be the Death Star Building. What happened to the Student Agencies that rented out refrigerators and gave students part time work? They've grown big. I'm waiting for them to make a tender offer on TSLA.
Before more greenspace gets taken, also consider whether the land the Andrew Dickson White House sits on might have a higher purpose.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 06, 2022 06:44PM
Well, that'd be one way for the Milstein Bumpout to be on the gorge.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: Scersk '97 (38.81.106.---)
Date: April 07, 2022 01:22PM
David Harding
Plans are moving forward to double the size of Thurston Hall. [ithacavoice.com]
Yay! Another metal and glass carbuncle, this time grafted onto the last engineering quad building that had a bit of class.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 07, 2022 11:46PM
Scersk '97
the last engineering quad building that had a bit of class.
I thought all those assholes were moving to Roosevelt Island?
Re: Expansion
Posted by: Scersk '97 (38.81.106.---)
Date: April 08, 2022 10:52AM
Trotsky
Scersk '97
the last engineering quad building that had a bit of class.
I thought all those assholes were moving to Roosevelt Island?
I know you're being flippant, but I'll take it up to say that I very much hope that isn't the case. One of my many concerns regarding the Roosevelt Island project is whether it will cause a brain drain in science and engineering from the Ithaca campus to the great detriment of the University. Frankly, a Cornell without engineers rubbing shoulders with hotelies, architects (even the misled ones), etc., etc. is not Cornell.
To refine my architectural critique, I'll resuscitate and refine an old term of derision: let's call these things Academic McMansions. Seems these days that it takes a jagged jumble of glass and metal to make an academic village.
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Posted by: George64 (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: April 08, 2022 11:50AM
Scersk '97
One of my many concerns regarding the Roosevelt Island project is whether it will cause a brain drain in science and engineering from the Ithaca campus to the great detriment of the University. Frankly, a Cornell without engineers rubbing shoulders with hotelies, architects (even the misled ones), etc., etc. is not Cornell.
To the contrary, Cornell is making a huge capital investment in the engineering quad and created the Bowers College of Computing and Information Science in Ithaca. For now at least, the Roosevelt Island campus offers only graduate programs, although I can envision undergraduates spending a semester or two there in the future. Also, I think it can be a boon to faculty recruitment, giving Ithaca CS faculty an opportunity to spend some time in NYC, and vice versa.
I agree with you that the great strength of Cornell is the opportunity for all students to know and work with students in other schools and colleges. BTW, back in the day, all engineering programs were five years, so engineers could take more courses outside their discipline.
This reminds me of a card that was, and maybe still is sold at the Campus Store — “Before I came to Cornell, I couldn’t even spell engineer and now I are one.”
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Re: Expansion
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: April 09, 2022 03:08PM
George64
Scersk '97
One of my many concerns regarding the Roosevelt Island project is whether it will cause a brain drain in science and engineering from the Ithaca campus to the great detriment of the University. Frankly, a Cornell without engineers rubbing shoulders with hotelies, architects (even the misled ones), etc., etc. is not Cornell.
To the contrary, Cornell is making a huge capital investment in the engineering quad and created the Bowers College of Computing and Information Science in Ithaca. For now at least, the Roosevelt Island campus offers only graduate programs, although I can envision undergraduates spending a semester or two there in the future. Also, I think it can be a boon to faculty recruitment, giving Ithaca CS faculty an opportunity to spend some time in NYC, and vice versa.
I agree with you that the great strength of Cornell is the opportunity for all students to know and work with students in other schools and colleges. BTW, back in the day, all engineering programs were five years, so engineers could take more courses outside their discipline.
This reminds me of a card that was, and maybe still is sold at the Campus Store — “Before I came to Cornell, I couldn’t even spell engineer and now I are one.”
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The poster I remember was "Before I came here I culdint even spel studint. Now I are won at CORNELL UNIVERSITY"
Re: Expansion
Posted by: Scersk '97 (38.81.106.---)
Date: April 09, 2022 03:31PM
George64
Scersk '97
One of my many concerns regarding the Roosevelt Island project is whether it will cause a brain drain in science and engineering from the Ithaca campus to the great detriment of the University. Frankly, a Cornell without engineers rubbing shoulders with hotelies, architects (even the misled ones), etc., etc. is not Cornell.
To the contrary, Cornell is making a huge capital investment in the engineering quad and created the Bowers College of Computing and Information Science in Ithaca. For now at least, the Roosevelt Island campus offers only graduate programs, although I can envision undergraduates spending a semester or two there in the future. Also, I think it can be a boon to faculty recruitment, giving Ithaca CS faculty an opportunity to spend some time in NYC, and vice versa.
I agree with you that the great strength of Cornell is the opportunity for all students to know and work with students in other schools and colleges. BTW, back in the day, all engineering programs were five years, so engineers could take more courses outside their discipline.
This reminds me of a card that was, and maybe still is sold at the Campus Store — “Before I came to Cornell, I couldn’t even spell engineer and now I are one.”
How dare you counteract my paranoia with evidence, reason, and the expectation of good results! As long as everything continues along the lines you describe, I agree that the Ithaca campus will persist and might even flourish.
Would that engineering programs were still five years so that engineers could spend more time studying things like aesthetics and ethics. After all, technology, more than anything else it seems, drives change for good or ill. Of course, would that tuition were about a third of what it is, i.e., had stayed flat in real dollars from the 60s, so that staying around for an extra year didn't cost an arm and a leg.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/09/2022 03:32PM by Scersk '97.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: April 09, 2022 11:56PM
George64
Scersk '97
One of my many concerns regarding the Roosevelt Island project is whether it will cause a brain drain in science and engineering from the Ithaca campus to the great detriment of the University. Frankly, a Cornell without engineers rubbing shoulders with hotelies, architects (even the misled ones), etc., etc. is not Cornell.
I agree with you that the great strength of Cornell is the opportunity for all students to know and work with students in other schools and colleges. BTW, back in the day, all engineering programs were five years, so engineers could take more courses outside their discipline.
Especially for those going on to graduate school, the opportunity to learn about things outside one's discipline is an important part of Cornell, and college in general. One of my favorite courses as an Astronomy major was the one where we read Beowulf in the original Old English.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: RichH (104.28.78.---)
Date: April 10, 2022 12:20AM
jtwcornell91
George64
Scersk '97
One of my many concerns regarding the Roosevelt Island project is whether it will cause a brain drain in science and engineering from the Ithaca campus to the great detriment of the University. Frankly, a Cornell without engineers rubbing shoulders with hotelies, architects (even the misled ones), etc., etc. is not Cornell.
I agree with you that the great strength of Cornell is the opportunity for all students to know and work with students in other schools and colleges. BTW, back in the day, all engineering programs were five years, so engineers could take more courses outside their discipline.
Especially for those going on to graduate school, the opportunity to learn about things outside one's discipline is an important part of Cornell, and college in general. One of my favorite courses as an Astronomy major was the one where we read Beowulf in the original Old English.
How dare you not take a course in Zydeco evolution.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 10, 2022 09:47AM
I just thought the 4 white Eng chicks were cute.
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Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 10, 2022 04:12PM
would you please shut the fuck up alreadyTrotsky
I just thought the 4 white Eng chicks were cute.
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Re: Expansion
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 11, 2022 02:02AM
Oh honey. Your time will come, too. Enjoy your podium while you can stand astride it.ugarte
would you please shut the fuck up alreadyTrotsky
I just thought the 4 white Eng chicks were cute.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: April 13, 2022 10:20AM
ugarte
would you please shut the fuck up alreadyTrotsky
I just thought the 4 white Eng chicks were cute.
So this is the post you tweeted about.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 13, 2022 06:45PM
Sunrise, sunset.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: David Harding (76.150.68.---)
Date: March 21, 2023 11:47PM
A round-up of Cornell construction projects from the Ithaca Voice, including a report on the new baseball field.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: upprdeck (---.cit.cornell.edu)
Date: March 22, 2023 12:32PM
i wonder if college town ever gets done again. never ending down there
Re: Expansion
Posted by: David Harding (---.dhcp.fnal.gov)
Date: March 22, 2023 11:16PM
Here's the map of the blocks that can be redeveloped to the new, denser standards. They're working their way down College Avenue with a block or so to go.upprdeck
i wonder if college town ever gets done again. never ending down there
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Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 24, 2023 10:34AM
David Harding
Here's the map of the blocks that can be redeveloped to the new, denser standards. They're working their way down College Avenue with a block or so to go.upprdeck
i wonder if college town ever gets done again. never ending down there
There is a Harvard Place? Who would have thunk it?
Re: Expansion
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 24, 2023 12:34PM
building density on cook street, which is basically a BASE jumping site, is very funny to me
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Re: Expansion
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 24, 2023 01:09PM
ugarte
building density on cook street, which is basically a BASE jumping site, is very funny to me
I don’t get it!
BASE Basic Analysis and Security Engine (software)
BASE Beta-Alumina Solid Electrolyte
BASE Berlin Aging Study
BASE Bible Archaeology, Search & Exploration Institute
BASE Blind Adaptive Signal Extraction
BASE Building Access to Specialists through E-Consultation (Canada)
BASE Building, Antennae, Span, Earth (parachute jumping)
BASE Basic Army Strategic Estimates
BASE Bank-Americard Service Exchange
BASE Believe, Achieve, Support, and Educate
BASE Bathymetry Associated with Statistical Error
BASE Babes, Automobiles, Sports, Entertainment (website) . . .
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Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 24, 2023 01:14PM
google "BASE jumping" as a single phrase
EDIT: it's on your list. you graduated from a very good school i have confidence in you.
EDIT: it's on your list. you graduated from a very good school i have confidence in you.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2023 01:16PM by ugarte.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 24, 2023 01:51PM
ugarte
google "BASE jumping" as a single phrase
EDIT: it's on your list. you graduated from a very good school i have confidence in you.
But, it was a long time ago!
Babes, Automobiles, Sports, Entertainment???
Building, Antenna, Span, and Earth, I still don’t get it. Just too old! College Avenue bridge, I’d get.
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Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: March 24, 2023 01:51PM
Great Idea to put elevators in Balch. It was murder running those stairs to escape the RAs in the 60's.
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Re: Expansion
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 24, 2023 03:01PM
Cook Street is like a cliff. Turning from College Ave felt the same way cresting the first hill on the Cyclone does. imagine an apartment building on Lombard.George64
ugarte
google "BASE jumping" as a single phrase
EDIT: it's on your list. you graduated from a very good school i have confidence in you.
But, it was a long time ago!
Babes, Automobiles, Sports, Entertainment???
Building, Antenna, Span, and Earth, I still don’t get it. Just too old! College Avenue bridge, I’d get.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2023 03:03PM by ugarte.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: David Harding (76.150.68.---)
Date: March 25, 2023 12:36AM
If you lost your brakes driving down Cook St, you wound up in the front yard of the house I grew up in. Catherine St, parallel to Cook and one block north is similarly steep. They've started working their way down it, too.ugarte
Cook Street is like a cliff. Turning from College Ave felt the same way cresting the first hill on the Cyclone does. imagine an apartment building on Lombard.George64
ugarte
google "BASE jumping" as a single phrase
EDIT: it's on your list. you graduated from a very good school i have confidence in you.
But, it was a long time ago!
Babes, Automobiles, Sports, Entertainment???
Building, Antenna, Span, and Earth, I still don’t get it. Just too old! College Avenue bridge, I’d get.
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Re: Expansion
Posted by: David Harding (76.150.68.---)
Date: March 28, 2023 10:36PM
Following up with Collegetown construction in progress and planned, along with downtown Ithaca. [ithacavoice.org] Lots of scary pictures.
Re: Expansion
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 30, 2023 08:48AM
Make Ithaca Cortland Again
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