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Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust

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Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 24, 2020 09:17AM

The tower is (was) Crosley Tower in Cincinnati. I assume as in Crosley Field, the precursor to Riverfront Stadium. Fun fact: Crosley brought mass production to radios so something is his fault, I'm not sure what; maybe mass stupidity.
 
Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 24, 2020 08:28PM

Trotsky
Brutalism is a long way to go for a joke, and those Cyclopean Stalinist structures only look good from a distance, if that.










Though to be fair this is so spectacularly stupid it's kind of enjoyable:



"The North's gonna do it again!" They should put that fucker in Potsdam.

Yeah sorry. I like that cathedral. It works for Reykjavik.
 
Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: Iceberg (---.tmodns.net)
Date: January 26, 2020 04:59PM

Yep. The Lief Erikson statue in front of Hallgrímskirsja. Once I saw Reykjavik, I remembered right away.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2020 04:59PM by Iceberg.
 
Cornell Orchards retail store
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: January 28, 2020 11:57PM

Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.
 
Re: Cornell Orchards retail store
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-220-1.myvzw.com)
Date: January 29, 2020 09:21AM

David Harding
Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.

That sucks. The annual visit last winter was apparently my last. I'm fortunate that there is a nitrogen purge equipped store near my home.

The varieties available at Cornell were great and so was the unpasteurized cider until that disappeared years ago.
 
Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: January 29, 2020 10:42AM

Scersk '97
To be honest, something in me likes some of the Stalinist architecture from the 40s and 50s…


I'm probably attracted by the exuberance of ornamentation, something that became anathema in the west because the Nazis loved it and we had to be darn sure to prove we weren't Nazis. Or Socialists.

I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

 
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Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: January 29, 2020 11:37AM

jtwcornell91
I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!

(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)
 
Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 29, 2020 11:50AM

Scersk '97
jtwcornell91
I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!

(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)
It's the Orthodox translation of Orientalist gargantuism. Or something.

They're bad because they intimidated their courtiers. We're good because we stocked Versailles with booze and whores. Ignore the Gothic as it doesn't fit the narrative.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2020 11:54AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 29, 2020 01:29PM

Trotsky
Scersk '97
jtwcornell91
I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!

(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)
It's the Orthodox translation of Orientalist gargantuism. Or something.

They're bad because they intimidated their courtiers. We're good because we stocked Versailles with booze and whores. Ignore the Gothic as it doesn't fit the narrative.

Actually, the pic is Moscow State University. You reminded me I've been in the one in Warsaw, too, but only for the view. Skipped the one in Riga, tho.
 
Re: Cornell Orchards retail store
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 29, 2020 05:55PM

Cornell is pretty good at killing traditions.
 
Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: January 31, 2020 03:11AM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
Scersk '97
jtwcornell91
I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!

(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)
It's the Orthodox translation of Orientalist gargantuism. Or something.

They're bad because they intimidated their courtiers. We're good because we stocked Versailles with booze and whores. Ignore the Gothic as it doesn't fit the narrative.

Actually, the pic is Moscow State University. You reminded me I've been in the one in Warsaw, too, but only for the view. Skipped the one in Riga, tho.

Did they build them all to the same plan or something?

 
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Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 31, 2020 07:49AM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Actually, the pic is Moscow State University. You reminded me I've been in the one in Warsaw, too, but only for the view. Skipped the one in Riga, tho.

Well, they had changed chefs...

 
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Diners
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: January 31, 2020 08:16AM

Not a bar and not Collegetown, but sort of in the same vein: Denny's has closed, leaving Ithaca with no 24-hour sit-down dining options:

[www.14850.com]

I have to say I did not realize until the discussion on mha's facebook feed that Manos had closed, or that the State Street Diner is no longer open 24 hours.

 
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Re: Diners
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: January 31, 2020 09:01AM

jtwcornell91
I have to say I did not realize until the discussion on mha's facebook feed that Manos had closed, or that the State Street Diner is no longer open 24 hours.

Well, the State should go back to 24 then!
 
Re: Diners
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 31, 2020 10:38AM

Scersk '97
jtwcornell91
I have to say I did not realize until the discussion on mha's facebook feed that Manos had closed, or that the State Street Diner is no longer open 24 hours.

Well, the State should go back to 24 then!
I didn't realize it ever stopped. John's post really threw me and for a second I thought State was dead!

BTW, I swear every time I go there State has gotten even farther west. I expect it to wind up in Mecklenburg.
 
Re: Diners
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: January 31, 2020 11:07AM

Trotsky
BTW, I swear every time I go there State has gotten even farther west. I expect it to wind up in Mecklenburg.

I frequented the State more as a townie than as a student or expatriate. But it was always nice to know it (and Manos) were there late at night if necessary.

Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.
 
Re: Diners
Posted by: RichH (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: January 31, 2020 11:53AM

Scersk '97
Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.

No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.

This article is remarkably in-depth: [ithacavoice.com]
 
Re: Diners
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: January 31, 2020 12:41PM

RichH
Scersk '97
Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.

No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.

This article is remarkably in-depth: [ithacavoice.com]
truly, the hands of fate

 
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Re: Diners
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 31, 2020 01:09PM

ugarte
RichH
Scersk '97
Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.

No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.

This article is remarkably in-depth: [ithacavoice.com]
truly, the hands of fate
But who will watch the place when the Master is away?
 
Re: Diners
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: January 31, 2020 01:51PM

I meant the demise of the 24-hour diner, not Manos specifically. Cigarettes keep you awake, you know.
 
Re: Diners
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 31, 2020 01:57PM

Scersk '97
I meant the demise of the 24-hour diner, not Manos specifically. Cigarettes keep you awake, you know.

 
Re: Diners
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 31, 2020 05:15PM

ugarte
RichH
Scersk '97
Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.

No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.

This article is remarkably in-depth: [ithacavoice.com]
truly, the hands of fate

+1
 
Re: Cornell Orchards retail store
Posted by: Rita (---.ftmy.qwest.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 12:23PM

David Harding
Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.

OH no. when I was a grad student, my lab was in BTI - across the street from the orchard. They had apples for sale through February. I used to go every friday or saturday to get apples for my weekend baking adventures. I still have recipes and "know your apples" cheat sheets from the 90's.

As I go to the local supermarket in SWFL to get apples for my "football sunday apple pie" (yup - some habits do not die) I remember the Cornell Orchards. I hate change.
 
Re: Cornell Orchards retail store
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: February 01, 2020 12:50PM

Rita
David Harding
Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.

OH no.... I remember the Cornell Orchards. I hate change.

Where else could one fill the belly with delicious FREE samples? :-(
 
Re: Cornell Orchards retail store
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 05:16PM

marty
Where else could one fill the belly with delicious FREE samples? :-(

Wegmans.
 
Re: Cornell Orchards retail store
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: February 04, 2020 03:48AM

Trotsky
marty
Where else could one fill the belly with delicious FREE samples? :-(

Wegmans.

Siddharth and I invented a weekly Wegmans event called "tasting Saturday".

 
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Re: Cornell Orchards retail store
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: February 04, 2020 12:16PM

I think Bjs is the best place for free samples
 
Re: Cornell Orchards retail store
Posted by: marty (161.11.160.---)
Date: February 04, 2020 03:28PM

marty
Rita
David Harding
Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.

OH no.... I remember the Cornell Orchards. I hate change.

Where else could one fill the belly with delicious healthy FREE samples? :-(

FMP
 
Re: Collegetown Bagels to move, not close
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 05, 2020 11:29PM

David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2020 11:30PM by David Harding.
 
Re: Collegetown Bagels to move, not close
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 06, 2020 11:43AM

I had no idea that was the original space for Triangle Books.
 
Re: Collegetown Bagels to move, not close
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: February 06, 2020 02:14PM

David Harding
David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.
downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?

 
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Re: Collegetown Bagels to move, not close
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: February 06, 2020 02:36PM

ugarte
David Harding
David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.
downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?

The article said the new location would have outdoor space. The original location on College Ave. didn't.
 
Re: Collegetown Bagels to move, not close
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-203-20.myvzw.com)
Date: February 06, 2020 10:03PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
ugarte
David Harding
David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.
downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?

The article said the new location would have outdoor space. The original location on College Ave. didn't.
I worked in the original location. the second location did though. I didn't catch the mention of outdoor space in Sheldon Court, so thanks for that.

 
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Re: Collegetown Bagels to move, not close
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 06, 2020 10:32PM

ugarte
Jeff Hopkins '82
ugarte
David Harding
David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.
More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.
downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?

The article said the new location would have outdoor space. The original location on College Ave. didn't.
I worked in the original location. the second location did though. I didn't catch the mention of outdoor space in Sheldon Court, so thanks for that.
Here's Google Maps Streetview of the new location.

 
An iconic venue will relocate
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 02:00AM

The Haunt will be moving in the face of development along Cayuga Inlet [cornellsun.com]
 
Re: An iconic venue will relocate
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 03:49PM

does this have any effect on the golf course?
 
Re: An iconic venue will relocate
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 09:21PM

upprdeck
does this have any effect on the golf course?
There's a 2019 Waterfront Plan that includes a Newman [as in golf course] District at the north end. The Haunt and the development that will replace it are in the Newman District, but the golf course is outside the plan area, forming its northern border. There might well be more business for the course with housing close by. You can see the course in the background of this rendering.
 
Re: Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 10:04PM

I cant imagine how that road/intersection handles that much more load on the northern end.
 
Re: An iconic venue will relocate
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: February 17, 2020 05:14AM

David Harding
The Haunt will be moving in the face of development along Cayuga Inlet [cornellsun.com]

It never made much sense to me that The Haunt (*) had moved out of downtown into such a remote (from the colleges) location.

(*) where I attended a Dead Milkmen concert first semester freshman year, and a classmate of mine--who, despite being a Physics major, hung out with artsie types in the basement of Sibley--saw me there and commented that he didn't expect to find me at an event like that, with the obvious subtext that I was too much of a dork to listen to anything remotely punk-like.

 
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Re: An iconic venue will relocate
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 18, 2020 10:32AM

jtwcornell91
(*) where I attended a Dead Milkmen concert first semester freshman year, and a classmate of mine--who, despite being a Physics major, hung out with artsie types in the basement of Sibley--saw me there and commented that he didn't expect to find me at an event like that, with the obvious subtext that I was too much of a dork to listen to anything remotely punk-like.
That makes no sense. The two staple college punk demos are Risley artsies and hard SF STEMies. (Note: these also make the best cross-pollinating couples. INTJ in the streets, ENTP in the sheets.)

Your classmate was an idiot. Also, if there is an Ur-Dead Milkman fan, John, it's you. Fun fact: this was Dr. Mrs.' & my first dance song.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2020 10:37AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: An iconic venue will relocate
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 18, 2020 03:16PM

Trotsky
The two staple college punk demos are Risley artsies and hard SF STEMies. (Note: these also make the best cross-pollinating couples.

INTJ in the streets,
ENTP in the sheets.
)

This is poetry. In the sixties it was "Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" Which devolved to "Par-TAY!" then "Hey, that's my Uber not yours!" You've brought something back to discourse and learned commentary.
 
Re: An iconic venue will relocate
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 19, 2020 01:35PM

billhoward
Trotsky
The two staple college punk demos are Risley artsies and hard SF STEMies. (Note: these also make the best cross-pollinating couples.

INTJ in the streets,
ENTP in the sheets.
)

This is poetry. In the sixties it was "Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" Which devolved to "Par-TAY!" then "Hey, that's my Uber not yours!" You've brought something back to discourse and learned commentary.
I'd like to thank Lester Bangs and John Peele.
 
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