Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust

The tower is (was) Crosley Tower in Cincinnati. I assume as in Crosley Field, the precursor to Riverfront Stadium. Fun fact: Crosley brought mass production to radios so something is his fault, I'm not sure what; maybe mass stupidity.

Trotsky
Brutalism is a long way to go for a joke, and those Cyclopean Stalinist structures only look good from a distance, if that.

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Though to be fair this is so spectacularly stupid it's kind of enjoyable:

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"The North's gonna do it again!" They should put that fucker in Potsdam.

Yeah sorry. I like that cathedral. It works for Reykjavik.

Yep. The Lief Erikson statue in front of Hallgrímskirsja. Once I saw Reykjavik, I remembered right away.

Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.

David Harding
Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.

That sucks. The annual visit last winter was apparently my last. I'm fortunate that there is a nitrogen purge equipped store near my home.

The varieties available at Cornell were great and so was the unpasteurized cider until that disappeared years ago.

Scersk '97
To be honest, something in me likes some of the Stalinist architecture from the 40s and 50s…

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I'm probably attracted by the exuberance of ornamentation, something that became anathema in the west because the Nazis loved it and we had to be darn sure to prove we weren't Nazis. Or Socialists.

I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

jtwcornell91
I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!

(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)

Scersk '97

jtwcornell91
I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!

(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)

It's the Orthodox translation of Orientalist gargantuism. Or something.

They're bad because they intimidated their courtiers. We're good because we stocked Versailles with booze and whores. Ignore the Gothic as it doesn't fit the narrative.

Trotsky

Scersk '97

jtwcornell91
I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!

(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)

It's the Orthodox translation of Orientalist gargantuism. Or something.

They're bad because they intimidated their courtiers. We're good because we stocked Versailles with booze and whores. Ignore the Gothic as it doesn't fit the narrative.

Actually, the pic is Moscow State University. You reminded me I've been in the one in Warsaw, too, but only for the view. Skipped the one in Riga, tho.

Cornell is pretty good at killing traditions.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

Scersk '97

jtwcornell91
I actually sort of went to that place when I was in Warsaw a few years back. For a museum, it's amazingly uninviting. The biggest problem with the whole thing, of course, is that it's not built on a human scale. You have to go all the way around those protruding wings to get to the front entrance. IIRC, there was also a long flight of stairs to the lobby. I managed to negotiate all that, but couldn't muster the enthusiasm to figure out what sort of ticket to buy and what to look at once I was there, which was pretty much what my guidebook warned would happen.

Bah, decadent Westerners and their dedication to the humanist urge. Clearly you need to re-forge the iron in your soul to the appropriate Soviet scale!

(Yeah, I do note now just how much tarmac we're talking about here. They did seemingly love their car-oriented grand entrances.)

It's the Orthodox translation of Orientalist gargantuism. Or something.

They're bad because they intimidated their courtiers. We're good because we stocked Versailles with booze and whores. Ignore the Gothic as it doesn't fit the narrative.

Actually, the pic is Moscow State University. You reminded me I've been in the one in Warsaw, too, but only for the view. Skipped the one in Riga, tho.

Did they build them all to the same plan or something?

Jeff Hopkins '82
Actually, the pic is Moscow State University. You reminded me I've been in the one in Warsaw, too, but only for the view. Skipped the one in Riga, tho.

Well, they had changed chefs...

Not a bar and not Collegetown, but sort of in the same vein: Denny's has closed, leaving Ithaca with no 24-hour sit-down dining options:

[www.14850.com]

I have to say I did not realize until the discussion on mha's facebook feed that Manos had closed, or that the State Street Diner is no longer open 24 hours.

jtwcornell91
I have to say I did not realize until the discussion on mha's facebook feed that Manos had closed, or that the State Street Diner is no longer open 24 hours.

Well, the State should go back to 24 then!

Scersk '97

jtwcornell91
I have to say I did not realize until the discussion on mha's facebook feed that Manos had closed, or that the State Street Diner is no longer open 24 hours.

Well, the State should go back to 24 then!

I didn't realize it ever stopped. John's post really threw me and for a second I thought State was dead!

BTW, I swear every time I go there State has gotten even farther west. I expect it to wind up in Mecklenburg.

Trotsky
BTW, I swear every time I go there State has gotten even farther west. I expect it to wind up in Mecklenburg.

I frequented the State more as a townie than as a student or expatriate. But it was always nice to know it (and Manos) were there late at night if necessary.

Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.

Scersk '97
Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.

No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.

This article is remarkably in-depth: [ithacavoice.com]

RichH

Scersk '97
Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.

No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.

This article is remarkably in-depth: [ithacavoice.com]

truly, the hands of fate

ugarte

RichH

Scersk '97
Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.

No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.

This article is remarkably in-depth: [ithacavoice.com]

truly, the hands of fate

But who will watch the place when the Master is away?

I meant the demise of the 24-hour diner, not Manos specifically. Cigarettes keep you awake, you know.

Scersk '97
I meant the demise of the 24-hour diner, not Manos specifically. Cigarettes keep you awake, you know.

ugarte

RichH

Scersk '97
Remembering the atmosphere of Manos, part of me thinks that the anti-smoking regulations had something to do with all this. Sure, great societal benefit that I generally support, but you lose some things in the process.

No. Manos closed in 2014, 13 years after the smoking ban. Bill Manos was 76, tired after 52 years, and got a sweet payday when freaking Marriott decided it wanted his location. It's as simple as that.

This article is remarkably in-depth: [ithacavoice.com]

truly, the hands of fate

+1

David Harding
Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.

OH no. when I was a grad student, my lab was in BTI - across the street from the orchard. They had apples for sale through February. I used to go every friday or saturday to get apples for my weekend baking adventures. I still have recipes and "know your apples" cheat sheets from the 90's.

As I go to the local supermarket in SWFL to get apples for my "football sunday apple pie" (yup - some habits do not die) I remember the Cornell Orchards. I hate change.

Rita

David Harding
Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.

OH no.... I remember the Cornell Orchards. I hate change.

Where else could one fill the belly with delicious FREE samples?

marty
Where else could one fill the belly with delicious FREE samples?

Wegmans.

Trotsky

marty
Where else could one fill the belly with delicious FREE samples?

Wegmans.

Siddharth and I invented a weekly Wegmans event called "tasting Saturday".

I think Bjs is the best place for free samples

marty

Rita

David Harding
Not a bar, or even a restaurant, but an iconic food establishment: Ithaca Voice reports that the Cornell Orchards retail store is closing after almost 70 years of operation.

OH no.... I remember the Cornell Orchards. I hate change.

Where else could one fill the belly with delicious healthy FREE samples?

FMP

David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.

More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.

I had no idea that was the original space for Triangle Books.

David Harding

David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.

More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.

downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?

ugarte

David Harding

David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.

More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.

downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?

The article said the new location would have outdoor space. The original location on College Ave. didn't.

Jeff Hopkins '82

ugarte

David Harding

David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.

More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.

downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?

The article said the new location would have outdoor space. The original location on College Ave. didn't.

I worked in the original location. the second location did though. I didn't catch the mention of outdoor space in Sheldon Court, so thanks for that.

ugarte

Jeff Hopkins '82

ugarte

David Harding

David Harding
[ithacavoice.com]

Collegetown Bagels will move across the street to the Cornell-owned Sheldon Court where they get a 10-year lease. Ruloff's is still up in the air. The nominal end date for both Collegetown Bagels in their current location and for Rulloff's is June 1. The owners are in discussion with their landlord, Student Agencies, for a one week extension to allow big parties with alumni in town for reunions.

More details on the new CTB space Mark Anbinder in 14850.com. It sounds like a nice step up for them.

downside is no outdoor space. i'm not wrong in remembering outdoor space, right? at least when it was oliver's. i'm not wrong in remembering that it was previously oliver's, right?

The article said the new location would have outdoor space. The original location on College Ave. didn't.

I worked in the original location. the second location did though. I didn't catch the mention of outdoor space in Sheldon Court, so thanks for that.

Here's Google Maps Streetview of the new location.

The Haunt will be moving in the face of development along Cayuga Inlet [cornellsun.com]

does this have any effect on the golf course?

upprdeck
does this have any effect on the golf course?

There's a 2019 Waterfront Plan that includes a Newman [as in golf course] District at the north end. The Haunt and the development that will replace it are in the Newman District, but the golf course is outside the plan area, forming its northern border. There might well be more business for the course with housing close by. You can see the course in the background of this rendering.

I cant imagine how that road/intersection handles that much more load on the northern end.

David Harding
The Haunt will be moving in the face of development along Cayuga Inlet [cornellsun.com]

It never made much sense to me that The Haunt (*) had moved out of downtown into such a remote (from the colleges) location.

(*) where I attended a Dead Milkmen concert first semester freshman year, and a classmate of mine--who, despite being a Physics major, hung out with artsie types in the basement of Sibley--saw me there and commented that he didn't expect to find me at an event like that, with the obvious subtext that I was too much of a dork to listen to anything remotely punk-like.

jtwcornell91
(*) where I attended a Dead Milkmen concert first semester freshman year, and a classmate of mine--who, despite being a Physics major, hung out with artsie types in the basement of Sibley--saw me there and commented that he didn't expect to find me at an event like that, with the obvious subtext that I was too much of a dork to listen to anything remotely punk-like.

That makes no sense. The two staple college punk demos are Risley artsies and hard SF STEMies. (Note: these also make the best cross-pollinating couples. INTJ in the streets, ENTP in the sheets.)

Your classmate was an idiot. Also, if there is an Ur-Dead Milkman fan, John, it's you. Fun fact: this was Dr. Mrs.' & my first dance song.

Trotsky
The two staple college punk demos are Risley artsies and hard SF STEMies. (Note: these also make the best cross-pollinating couples.

INTJ in the streets,
ENTP in the sheets.)

This is poetry. In the sixties it was "Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" Which devolved to "Par-TAY!" then "Hey, that's my Uber not yours!" You've brought something back to discourse and learned commentary.

billhoward

Trotsky
The two staple college punk demos are Risley artsies and hard SF STEMies. (Note: these also make the best cross-pollinating couples.

INTJ in the streets,
ENTP in the sheets.)

This is poetry. In the sixties it was "Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" Which devolved to "Par-TAY!" then "Hey, that's my Uber not yours!" You've brought something back to discourse and learned commentary.

I'd like to thank Lester Bangs and John Peele.

A Cornell Sun reviewers pans CTB bagels. [cornellsun.com]

CTB’s main business relies on pedaling a product that relies on sentimentality, and not pure quality. In short, people don’t buy these bagels for their outstanding taste or texture, but to relieve the experiences that they’ve had at CTB.
...
One student described them most eloquently as “Bread formed into the shape of a bagel,” and another as “a small, sad, overpriced lump.”.

David Harding
A Cornell Sun reviewers pans CTB bagels. [cornellsun.com]

CTB’s main business relies on pedaling a product that relies on sentimentality, and not pure quality. In short, people don’t buy these bagels for their outstanding taste or texture, but to relieve the experiences that they’ve had at CTB.
...
One student described them most eloquently as “Bread formed into the shape of a bagel,” and another as “a small, sad, overpriced lump.”.

"Pedaling" and "relieve" are why you can't rely on spellchecking software in lieu of actual editors and proofreaders.

But this student's writing would still be terrible even if spelled perfectly.

David Harding
A Cornell Sun reviewers pans CTB bagels. [cornellsun.com]

CTB’s main business relies on pedaling a product that relies on sentimentality, and not pure quality. In short, people don’t buy these bagels for their outstanding taste or texture, but to relieve the experiences that they’ve had at CTB.
...
One student described them most eloquently as “Bread formed into the shape of a bagel,” and another as “a small, sad, overpriced lump.”.

That's not why CTB sucks.

CTB sucks because (1) bagels suck and (2) it replaced Olivers.

So is Ithaca Pasta thats moving into the old Joes space a new eating place or just an extension of the catering service they offer?

David Harding
A Cornell Sun reviewers pans CTB bagels. [cornellsun.com]

CTB’s main business relies on pedaling a product that relies on sentimentality, and not pure quality. In short, people don’t buy these bagels for their outstanding taste or texture, but to relieve the experiences that they’ve had at CTB.
...
One student described them most eloquently as “Bread formed into the shape of a bagel,” and another as “a small, sad, overpriced lump.”.

Counterpoint in the Sun.

Gabe Schiffer’s column on Collegetown Bagels is extraordinarily colorful and eloquent. Unfortunately, it misses the larger picture about this iconic, decades-old, family-run local business.