Yet another collegetown bar bites the dust

I miss the Chapter House. And the Chariot.

The demise of C-Town and the green space on campus truly sucks. Trantor won.

But I never saw the elm trees, so I never really saw Cornell anyway.

There was mass planting of trees in the 1970s -- an Asian species suited to Ithaca's climate? gingko trees? -- but I don't recall there ever being a time when East Avenue, the main road through campus, ever approached having an arched canopy. Meanwhile, Princeton has hundreds of elm trees along one of its roads, the one where some of the rec sports are played.

Does anyone recall if the replacement trees ever took hold, if there was a mass die-off, or if they just weren't able to attain the same heights as the storied elms?

Trotsky
But I never saw the elm trees, so I never really saw Cornell anyway.

Beneath green elms with branches bowed…

Der Schmerz!

billhoward
There was mass planting of trees in the 1970s -- an Asian species suited to Ithaca's climate? gingko trees? -- but I don't recall there ever being a time when East Avenue, the main road through campus, ever approached having an arched canopy. Meanwhile, Princeton has hundreds of elm trees along one of its roads, the one where some of the rec sports are played.

Does anyone recall if the replacement trees ever took hold, if there was a mass die-off, or if they just weren't able to attain the same heights as the storied elms?

IINM the Aggies have been beavering away for decades trying to design elms that survive whatever the Dutch plague was. I mean, I assume they will eventually figure it out... the same time Day Hall declares no grass or trees will be permitted on campus because they do not have a sufficiently high ROI per mm².

Scersk '97

Trotsky
But I never saw the elm trees, so I never really saw Cornell anyway.

Beneath green elms with branches bowed…

I wake at night and think I hear remembered chimes.
And mem'ry brings in visions clear Enchanted times.
Beneath green elms with branches bowed,
In springtime suns,
Or touching elbows in a crowd
Of eager ones.
Again, I'm hurrying past the tow'rs
Or with the teams,
Or spending precious idling hours in golden dreams.

Trotsky

Scersk '97

Trotsky
But I never saw the elm trees, so I never really saw Cornell anyway.

Beneath green elms with branches bowed…

I wake at night and think I hear remembered chimes.

In my Glee Club alum incarnation, I desperately miss singing this particular Cornell song at the Chariot.

But the only golden dreams I dream of are ECAC championships.

Trotsky

I wake at night and think I hear remembered chimes.
And mem'ry brings in visions clear Enchanted times.
Beneath green elms with branches bowed,
In springtime suns,
Or touching elbows in a crowd
Of eager ones.
Again, I'm hurrying past the tow'rs
Or with the teams,
Or spending precious idling hours in golden dreams.

champions.jpg

Beautiful memories. Thank you.

One of the species that was planted as a potential replacemennt was the Zelcova Serrata
There was a substantial number planted, I distinctly remember a bunch in front of Lincoln on the Arts quad

They unfortunately don't reach the same towering height, and while they do have a similar vase shape that would create the desired 'arch' form over narrower spans, they also didnt handle snow/ice load as well and were known to split badly. While I was on campus in the 90s it seemed like every other one had been 'saved' with cabling

I recall there were several research efforts to find resistant cultivars... but it is a serious endeavor and the time required for research, commercialization and then growth to a mature replacement size tree is multiple decades of effort. There are of course additional emerging disease issues hitting other species now (the Ash tree will be practically non-existent in the NorthEast in the next 5 years).

Cornell95
One of the species that was planted as a potential replacemennt was the Zelcova Serrata
There was a substantial number planted, I distinctly remember a bunch in front of Lincoln on the Arts quad

They unfortunately don't reach the same towering height, and while they do have a similar vase shape that would create the desired 'arch' form over narrower spans, they also didnt handle snow/ice load as well and were known to split badly. While I was on campus in the 90s it seemed like every other one had been 'saved' with cabling

I recall there were several research efforts to find resistant cultivars... but it is a serious endeavor and the time required for research, commercialization and then growth to a mature replacement size tree is multiple decades of effort. There are of course additional emerging disease issues hitting other species now (the Ash tree will be practically non-existent in the NorthEast in the next 5 years).

I think my solution would be to widen the tree planting verge (whatever you want to call it—by the road) and go with oaks, but then they are a bit randomly shed-dy of branches at inopportune moments. And lots of moving sidewalks, etc. Whatever works. Just no puff-ball dwarfs, dammit!

What's happening to ashes is a tragedy. Lost three huge ones along our neighbor's back fence (southern CT) just this year.

Huh. Hadn’t heard (or forgot) about this:

[cornellsun.com]

A quote from an early patron: “Here, I can sit down with my friends and grab a beer and pizza, which is not an experience I really had before.”

Didn’t have that experience. IN COLLEGETOWN.

RichH
A quote from an early patron: “Here, I can sit down with my friends and grab a beer and pizza, which is not an experience I really had before.”

Didn’t have that experience. IN COLLEGETOWN.

Also: "The one thing Collegetown was missing was a sports bar vibe."

Yeah, the one thing that's never missing anywhere is a sports bar "vibe."

Interiors look sterile to me. I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Trotsky

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.

RichH

Trotsky

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.

And whatever this is called:

Trotsky

RichH

Trotsky

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.

And whatever this is called:

Retro-Formica-24-600x600.jpg

It's called ugly.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

RichH

Trotsky

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.

And whatever this is called:

Retro-Formica-24-600x600.jpg

It's called ugly.

You wouldn't say that if Lana Turner were wiping it down.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

RichH

Trotsky

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.

And whatever this is called:

Retro-Formica-24-600x600.jpg

It's called ugly.

Mid-century ugly to be precise.

RichH

Trotsky

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.

That picture Greg linked to was beautiful.

The 70s ski lodge aesthetic will always have my heart.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

RichH

Trotsky

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.

And whatever this is called:

Retro-Formica-24-600x600.jpg

It's called ugly.

You wouldn't say that if Lana Turner were wiping it down.

gettyimages-526892154-1549397236.jpg

I think I'd probably ask, "Who's that beautiful woman wiping down that ugly counter?"

Scersk '97

RichH

Trotsky

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.

That picture Greg linked to was beautiful.

The 70s ski lodge aesthetic will always have my heart.

The brick makes it more urban than ski lodge. Needs more wood. And more cowbell.

TimV

Scersk '97

RichH

Trotsky

Scersk '97
I'll never get the fetish for exposed lightbulbs.

It's 2010-2019 for "Naugahyde."

Each period's gimmicks quickly date themselves.

cf. granite counter tops, stainless steel appliances.

Orange and olive Formica forever, because the 1970s aesthetic was the peak of modern society. Anything else are just passing fads.

That picture Greg linked to was beautiful.

The 70s ski lodge aesthetic will always have my heart.

The brick makes it more urban than ski lodge. Needs more wood. And more cowbell.

The brick is because it's built, in my imagination, against the slope, and the reverse shot would be all windows and mountains.

I don't think of Naugahyde as apres ski.

Hmmph. Hardly any recent posts on Collegetown bars closing.

billhoward
Hmmph. Hardly any recent posts on Collegetown bars closing.

Do any remain?

Trotsky

billhoward
Hmmph. Hardly any recent posts on Collegetown bars closing.

Do any remain?

Very, very scant compared to even when I was an underclassman ten years ago and bars were starting to close (i.e. The Palms). I was up there a few months ago and the only ones that were operational before I graduated are Level B and Loco, with the latter opening while I was still a student. Hideaway has been in the former Dunbars spot for quite a few years now and Ithaca Beer Company recently opened up a location in Collegetown. It's funny because when I was a student I thought it couldn't get any worse in Collegetown

Iceberg
... when I was a student I thought it couldn't get any worse in Collegetown

As the number of bars goes down, rental rates go up. I was leafing through Collegetown rental sites, they seemed outrageous. But then I see Cornell dorms are $9,000-$12,000 for the year.

Yet, Moosewood survives! NY Times article.

A new food truck in Collegetown. Roman-style vegetarian pizza made by a native. [ithacavoice.com]

David Harding
A new food truck in Collegetown. Roman-style vegetarian pizza made by a native. [ithacavoice.com]

Adelina’s, the new food truck David mentions, is parked in front of The Nines when I walked by Sunday morning. College Avenue feels as if a third of the buildings on the far (downhill) side of Dryden Road are being turned to rubble and then taller apartment buildings replace them.

Thanks for the photo.
You're certainly right about the downhill side being redeveloped. [ithacavoice.com] This article is from a year ago, but it's the best overview rendering I've seen. There is more work to the south (left) in another project.

My take from the last common council meeting is that there will never be a comeback for Joes now thats is planned to be knocked down for yet another set of appts.. I miss the Italian places around town from 20 or so years ago. Joes, Napolis, The Coddington, Lucatellis etc.. Is there any good Italian in town any more?

upprdeck
My take from the last common council meeting is that there will never be a comeback for Joes now thats is planned to be knocked down for yet another set of appts.. I miss the Italian places around town from 20 or so years ago. Joes, Napolis, The Coddington, Lucatellis etc.. Is there any good Italian in town any more?

Gola is your best best, IMO. Close to campus too

Joe's the last – five, ten (twenty?) – years ago didn't seem quite like the Joe's of ... cripe, well that was forty, fifty years ago when we first ate there. Our tastes in Italian dining have changed.

An undergraduate laments the lost Collegetown bar scene. [cornellsun.com]

Collegetown feels filled by the ghosts of the bars that once were there.

The drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.

Hey the Burger king closed up at East Hill.. Down to 1 wendys in town, no BKs, no Pizza huts, no Friendlies, only 2 Mac Ds, lost the subway at East hill but still about 4-5 of those left. At least the KFC came back after about 20 yrs

upprdeck
Hey the Burger king closed up at East Hill.. Down to 1 wendys in town, no BKs, no Pizza huts, no Friendlies, only 2 Mac Ds, lost the subway at East hill but still about 4-5 of those left. At least the KFC came back after about 20 yrs

We should mourn its passing by going for a drink. But where?

Ithaca is also about middle-class townspeople (or stoned students late at night) who want something comforting and with a special sauce.

The Rancor
The drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.

Yeah, it would certainly eliminate much of the "mystique" around drinking that doesn't exist in many other countries where the age is 18 or 19. This soft prohibition encourages many 17-20 year olds to overindulge in secret, less safe environments during their college years and I've never really seen the benefit in that for anyone--the students, the administration, parents, law enforcement, businesses...

It's relocating over across the street neat the Dunkin Doughnut building. The Mirabato gas station is also moving across the street.

Do you mean the BK is moving?

Thats a strange thing to do and also be closed for a yr while they build.

The Rancor
The drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.

For women. For men, raise it to 35.

Iceberg

The Rancor
The drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.

Yeah, it would certainly eliminate much of the "mystique" around drinking that doesn't exist in many other countries where the age is 18 or 19. This soft prohibition encourages many 17-20 year olds to overindulge in secret, less safe environments during their college years and I've never really seen the benefit in that for anyone--the students, the administration, parents, law enforcement, businesses...

If you want to eliminate the mystique simply eliminate the drinking age. There is significantly less binge drinking in (most of) Europe. One reason is drinking isn't considered a fetish of adulthood the way it is by teens here.

(cf. fucking)

Trotsky

Iceberg

The Rancor
The drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.

Yeah, it would certainly eliminate much of the "mystique" around drinking that doesn't exist in many other countries where the age is 18 or 19. This soft prohibition encourages many 17-20 year olds to overindulge in secret, less safe environments during their college years and I've never really seen the benefit in that for anyone--the students, the administration, parents, law enforcement, businesses...

If you want to eliminate the mystique simply eliminate the drinking age. There is significantly less binge drinking in (most of) Europe. One reason is drinking isn't considered a fetish of adulthood the way it is by teens here.

(cf. fucking)

i don't have a strong opinion about this but binge drinking may be lower but alcoholism is higher iirc

ugarte

Trotsky

Iceberg

The Rancor
The drinking age should return to 18. It's crazy that it is 21 in this country.

Yeah, it would certainly eliminate much of the "mystique" around drinking that doesn't exist in many other countries where the age is 18 or 19. This soft prohibition encourages many 17-20 year olds to overindulge in secret, less safe environments during their college years and I've never really seen the benefit in that for anyone--the students, the administration, parents, law enforcement, businesses...

If you want to eliminate the mystique simply eliminate the drinking age. There is significantly less binge drinking in (most of) Europe. One reason is drinking isn't considered a fetish of adulthood the way it is by teens here.

(cf. fucking)

i don't have a strong opinion about this but binge drinking may be lower but alcoholism is higher iirc

According to this, there appear to be four big classes for Male Stupidity:

I. 10%+ Frozen Dystopic Hell. Examples: Russia, Hungary, Belarus, the Baltic Republics.
II. 7.5-10% The Idiocy of the Countryside: Slovakia (REPRESENT!), Norway, Ukraine. Surprised the Poles aren't here.
III. 5.0% - 7.5% European Amerika: UK, Finland, Sweden, US, Romania, Netherlands (that surprises me), Bosnia. Surprised the Czechs aren't here.
IV. below 5.0% Sanity: everybody else, including Germany, France, Italy, Spain. My god, even the Irish and the Poles. Tsk, tsk, pick it up, guys.

This suggests to me that both binge drinking and alcoholism are lower in those countries where attaining the drinking age is not a rite of passage. I would suggest the high rates of alcoholism in the main European offenders come from living in a place where you are envious of North Country weather and Mississippi governance.

And another franchise, Moe's Southwest Grill down on Meadow St is gone. [ithacavoice.com]

Ithaca Voice
The Ithaca location of Moe’s Southwest Grill, a popular burrito spot, has closed, leaving Tompkins County lacking a nearby option for gigantic burritos with cuttingly accurate names like “the Homewrecker.”

David Harding
And another franchise, Moe's Southwest Grill down on Meadow St is gone. [ithacavoice.com]

Ithaca Voice
The Ithaca location of Moe’s Southwest Grill, a popular burrito spot, has closed, leaving Tompkins County lacking a nearby option for gigantic burritos with cuttingly accurate names like “the Homewrecker.”

Sub headline: Collective A1C in Ithaca About to Drop.

it was always a tougher spot than say Chipotle. Hasnt been all that busy down there in a while..

Reminds me had a chicago friend send some deep dish from Lou Malnatis for xmas..

for a frozen pizza gift not too bad, but why is no one in town doing a deep dish any more with Ninos gone?

Don’t visit Ithaca during intersession! We’re here because my dog is having CCL (similar to the ACL in people) surgery at Cornell. Boatyard Grill closed, Moosewood closed, Simeon’s closed, Agava closed . . . Willard Straight? We’ll find out soon.

BTW, we’re staying at Best Western, as are the women’s hockey and other CU teams, because the dorms are closed. LGR, but please be quiet at night!
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Now you've tipped off the stalkers.

The whole team, or the ones not living off campus?

billhoward

The whole team, or the ones not living off campus?

Don’t know. Not wanting to appear like a lecherous old man, I merely asked if they were getting ready to leave for an away game, and a player told me they were playing at home this weekend and staying at the BW over intersession. There were about a dozen at breakfast.

The men’s swimming and diving team was there also and several were celebrating a birthday in the room next to ours at 11! They quieted down and stayed quiet after this octogenarian went to their door. My dog barked at 7:30 this morning and probably woke them. Turnaround is fair play.

George64
They quieted down and stayed quiet after this octogenarian went to their door. My dog barked at 7:30 this morning and probably woke them. Turnaround is fair play.

Please tell me you had all the buttons buttoned on your jammies when you went to their door. Sometimes those who need several nighttime trips to the bathroom forget.

We are fortunate to have a pair of classmates who've repatriated to Ithaca, and who have houses with spare bedrooms. That is so very nice. That last time we paid for lodgings in Ithaca was reunion, because we still enjoy the dorm experience. For a weekend.

I suppose because of rule that those students can't stay in the dorms, because I imagine the administration will need to have RA's present and then pay for maintenance staff labor. I always thought there were a few students allowed to stay over the winter break but I guess not

Dorms are closed over break. Most of the displaced athletes are freshmen. Sometimes they bunk with upperclassmen/women in off campus housing but if that is not an option, they are put up in hotels. I used to decamp to Florida over intercession and for a number of years, freshmen hockey players took over my house. Sometimes men, sometimes women. It was always in pretty good shape when I got home.

George64
Don’t visit Ithaca during intersession! We’re here because my dog is having CCL (similar to the ACL in people) surgery at Cornell. Boatyard Grill closed, Moosewood closed, Simeon’s closed, Agava closed . . . Willard Straight? We’ll find out soon.

I finally resorted to a Google search for Ithaca restaurants that were open and found Gola Osteria. It’s very good, but good luck finding it. It’s located within the new apartment complex on South Quarry Street in the old Ithaca City Hospital. As uninviting as that sounds, it’s worth the effort.
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This is Lego blocks meets 1950s delta-wing fighter. Or Iran's latest drone, 3D printed, what you see is draft mode.

Iceberg
I suppose because of rule that those students can't stay in the dorms, because I imagine the administration will need to have RA's present and then pay for maintenance staff labor. I always thought there were a few students allowed to stay over the winter break but I guess not

The U has always had a plan because of international students who can't afford to fly home and, or your GF/BF invites to spend the holidays at the other's home in the U.S., or there was a fall-semester regime change and you don't want to be conscripted. You don't see Andreev getting on airplanes he doesn't need to.

losing the Regal is gonna be tough. The lease charges are probably killing the location given the current market for movies. But also that site has had some crazy ideas on what movies to bring in and show times lately. Still they dont have more than a handful of employees on a normal day. Is it really a function of the current method of most of the money going out the door for the first few weeks when demand is the highest.

A big city to not have a place to see the bigger movies this summer locally.

upprdeck
losing the Regal is gonna be tough. The lease charges are probably killing the location given the current market for movies. But also that site has had some crazy ideas on what movies to bring in and show times lately. Still they dont have more than a handful of employees on a normal day. Is it really a function of the current method of most of the money going out the door for the first few weeks when demand is the highest.

A big city to not have a place to see the bigger movies this summer locally.

Honestly I am devastated. Was expecting it, but I am still devastated.

I've had the unlimited pass for a while so have gone to the regal multiple times a week for years.

Luckily we still have cinemapolis but I still need my Marvel/other blockbusters fix without having to drive 45 minutes or take a 3 hr bus ride! hopefully an AMC comes and fills the void soon

Auburn/cortland have these movies so the little people can do it.. the issue is we now have a turnkey solution but you know the mall lease would kill any hopes of someone taking it over and building from scratch would take a long time.

i have the pass and adding it up the last yr I am still ahead even with the lack of movies i wanted to see and not in town nearly as much anymore. might as well shut it off, I wont be in Destiny enough to use it there.

Is the Regal closing nationwide or just cutting back a lot of locations? The announcement that the Union Square Regal was closing was a huge shock.

ugarte
Is the Regal closing nationwide or just cutting back a lot of locations? The announcement that the Union Square Regal was closing was a huge shock.

39 locations closed (some more of them closed in september of 2022). Parent company (Cineworld) filed for bankruptcy and are going to close regals slowly to save money and try and keep some open longer.

apparently according to AMC CEO on twitter yesterday: "Of their 546 U.S. theatres, the bankruptcy judge was just told they [Regal] now intend to walk away/close fully 108!"

Anyone know what the new place that is going in down in the small area near to the Sherwin williams store is going to be?

Looks like some kind of Asian type thing?

upprdeck
Do you mean the BK is moving?

Thats a strange thing to do and also be closed for a yr while they build.

Article on the planned new Mirabito - Burger King combo. [ithacavoice.org]

The Joe's building is still there (Feb. 2023). No restaurant. Appears to be a pasta takeout place now or soon.

I spoke with a couple friends about Joe's. One had fond memories of it from undergraduate days and fairly fond memories of Joe's in its teens (i.e. 2010s) reincarnation. Others thought it was good when we were undergrad because we didn't have much experience in international fare, so-so after graduation, and mostly running on memories when visited a couple times ten years ago. I am trying to provide some historical continuity of Ithaca / Collegetown dining from my era, realize most people here couldn't care less about food 40-50 years ago, just as I didn't really think much about what food was like in the, say, 1930s.

Drove though Collegetown Construction zone. Backhoes, torn-up streets, gaping holes with the beginning of more big apartment buildings. I don't believe there are any bars left on College Avenue, that is more bar than dining, hard liquor as well as beer. Is this what's left early 2023?

Liquor:
Hideaway (409 Eddy Street, former Dunbars)
Level B (410 Eddy Street)
Loco (308 Stewart Avenue)

Beer:
Ithaca Beer Co. (old Collegetown Bagels)

Plans are to tear down joes and make it into more Appts. Just needs approval if its not a done deal already.

billhoward
Drove though Collegetown Construction zone. Backhoes, torn-up streets, gaping holes with the beginning of more big apartment buildings. I don't believe there are any bars left on College Avenue, that is more bar than dining, hard liquor as well as beer. Is this what's left early 2023?

Liquor:
Hideaway (409 Eddy Street, former Dunbars)
Level B (410 Eddy Street)
Loco (308 Stewart Avenue)

Beer:
Ithaca Beer Co. (old Collegetown Bagels)

I believe there’s a small bar at the entrance of the new location of Collegetown Bagels in Sheldon Court. Seemed to me like a cozy spot for a happy hour beer after the lunch rush dies down.

Thanks. I heard that (Joe's --> housing / apartments) but nothing's happening. Lot of apartments going up downtown in the vicinity west of North Meadow Street, (i.e. the street Purity, Ithaca Bakery and Joe's are on). The area along the Cascadilla inlet marina (Farmers' Market is across that inlet) has a lot of housing going up already, mixed use, also medical buildings and some office space.

billhoward
Thanks. I heard that (Joe's --> housing / apartments) but nothing's happening. Lot of apartments going up downtown in the vicinity west of North Meadow Street, (i.e. the street Purity, Ithaca Bakery and Joe's are on). The area along the Cascadilla inlet marina (Farmers' Market is across that inlet) has a lot of housing going up already, mixed use, also medical buildings and some office space.

The apartment project where Joe's has been is moving along at a typical pace. See the heading "The Citizen" in this recent report on an Ithaca Planning Board meeting. [ithacavoice.org] Look for other articles by Brian Crandall for news on developments around town.

Although changes in Collegetown have a huge impact on students and their housing choices, the Cornell Sun has not had quite as much coverage of late as the Ithaca Voice has.

It’s literally horrible how collegetown is now. I drove thru on a recon mission after getting accepted, but if it was then how it is now, it’d have been a much tougher decision. The juniors/seniors are missing out on so much of the college experience.

toddlose
It’s literally horrible how collegetown is now. I drove thru on a recon mission after getting accepted, but if it was then how it is now, it’d have been a much tougher decision. The juniors/seniors are missing out on so much of the college experience.

Things are weird everywhere. I'm up near Potsdam right now (wife's sabbatical), and I hardly ever see Clarkson or Potsdam students off-campus. Potsdam has tons of vacant storefronts, the local diner closes at 1PM, students don't go to hockey games, and the bar/pub choices leave much to be desired. This in a town of 14,000 that welcomes 8,000 students each school year. Where are they?

We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction. I have started to come around to the thought that we graduates of the 90s were benefitting from the social largesse of the pre-21 drinking age regulatory environment, i.e., we were experiencing the end of something as social "establishments," of whatever sort, continued to soldier on pretty much on autopilot. Except as anything but a spartan bedroom for a school where social life continues on diminished and behind closed doors, Collegetown has ceased to exist as it once was.

Any wonder why the kids are full of anxieties? Any wonder why more-than-every-once-in-a-while we end up reading some sordid, tragic tale emanating from the hidden culture of what counts for socializing these days? Things are weird.

Scersk '97

toddlose
It’s literally horrible how collegetown is now. I drove thru on a recon mission after getting accepted, but if it was then how it is now, it’d have been a much tougher decision. The juniors/seniors are missing out on so much of the college experience.

Things are weird everywhere. I'm up near Potsdam right now (wife's sabbatical), and I hardly ever see Clarkson or Potsdam students off-campus. Potsdam has tons of vacant storefronts, the local diner closes at 1PM, students don't go to hockey games, and the bar/pub choices leave much to be desired. This in a town of 14,000 that welcomes 8,000 students each school year. Where are they?

We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction. I have started to come around to the thought that we graduates of the 90s were benefitting from the social largesse of the pre-21 drinking age regulatory environment, i.e., we were experiencing the end of something as social "establishments," of whatever sort, continued to soldier on pretty much on autopilot. Except as anything but a spartan bedroom for a school where social life continues on diminished and behind closed doors, Collegetown has ceased to exist as it once was.

Any wonder why the kids are full of anxieties? Any wonder why more-than-every-once-in-a-while we end up reading some sordid, tragic tale emanating from the hidden culture of what counts for socializing these days? Things are weird.

My son is a junior at Colgate, and I see a lot of what you describe going on up there. I paid him a visit this past weekend and we attended both a basketball and hockey game. Student attendance for hoops wasn't bad, which should be expected for a first place team. But there were relatively few students at their beautiful rink to see two decent teams play. But beyond the athletic events, the students (my son included) spend too much time isolated in their rooms glued to their video game consoles. It's a sea change from how college life was experienced "back in my day," and I feel badly for this "COVID generation" as some are now calling them.

Scersk '97
We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction.

I find it absolutely impossible to fathom that kids are staying in their rooms instead of fucking. As long as boys 18-22 have brains wired solely for one activity, and as long as girls 18-22, well, look like girls 18-22, I do not believe there is any reason for moral panic.

Horniness finds a way.

Trotsky

Scersk '97
We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction.

I find it absolutely impossible to fathom that kids are staying in their rooms instead of fucking. As long as boys 18-22 have brains wired solely for one activity, and as long as girls 18-22, well, look like girls 18-22, I do not believe there is any reason for moral panic.

Horniness finds a way.

I just don't know anymore, considering the falling birthrates worldwide, the growth of "online gamer culture," etc. Yet, I'm not sure this social indolence poses a threat to Society.

I'm not in a moral panic; I more just pity them. Whether through a collective defect brought on by changing technologies or a lack of opportunities brought on by general societal collapse, I don't think they are having it as good as we did.

EDIT: And I forgot to mention, I think there are multiple societal forces that are perfectly happy with this glut in the supply of docile consumers. That's actually what worries me, because an economic feedback loop is forming.

Dr. Ruth could not have put it better. And you did it in fewer words. #threaddriftwecanuse

With all the Title IX stuff out there you pretty much need a signed affidavit saying that intercourse in consensual. The hookup scene on campus has dramatically changed over the last 10+ years

Trotsky

Scersk '97
We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction.

I find it absolutely impossible to fathom that kids are staying in their rooms instead of fucking. As long as boys 18-22 have brains wired solely for one activity, and as long as girls 18-22, well, look like girls 18-22, I do not believe there is any reason for moral panic.

Horniness finds a way.

Search for stories/articles about porn addiction. I'm glad this crap wasn't so pervasive when I was a horny 20 something. I might have been a dope and never found the real thing.

I can't imagine a world without my grandchildren

marty

Trotsky

Scersk '97
We used to make fun of the kids who didn't go out and spent all their time holed up in their dorm rooms playing No-friend-os. ('Cause god knows you can only work so much. Everyone needs some release.) Now, that's every kid, briefly as a necessity or otherwise as a response to a lack of options, but mostly as a choice or a symptom of phone addiction.

I find it absolutely impossible to fathom that kids are staying in their rooms instead of fucking. As long as boys 18-22 have brains wired solely for one activity, and as long as girls 18-22, well, look like girls 18-22, I do not believe there is any reason for moral panic.

Horniness finds a way.

Search for stories/articles about porn addiction. I'm glad this crap wasn't so pervasive when I was a horny 20 something. I might have been a dope and never found the real thing.

I can't imagine a world without my grandchildren

Right, but in this timeline somebody else missed out, and maybe theirs would've been bett-- kidding, KIDDING!

Cop at Lynah
With all the Title IX stuff out there you pretty much need a signed affidavit saying that intercourse in consensual.

If there is a Non Sequitur Pulitzer, I have a nominee.

Scersk '97
I'm not in a moral panic; I more just pity them. Whether through a collective defect brought on by changing technologies or a lack of opportunities brought on by general societal collapse, I don't think they are having it as good as we did.

Maybe living in a world of falling birthrates, with women who are more cognizant of their sexuality and their right to say no, IS having it better.

The only people I think have it "worse now" are the troglodytic rageaholics who poutrage their way through the geriatric pharmaceutical ads of Hate Radio. Frankly, the more unhappy and anxious those cultural de sacs are, the better for humanity as a whole.

I love the Gen Zers -- they might actually be first psychologically healthy Americans in history. "What a difference in this generation!"

Trotsky
I love the Gen Zers -- they might actually be first psychologically healthy Americans in history. "What a difference in this generation!"

We must know different Gen Zers. From what I’ve seen they’re more unhappy than the Millennials and more bottled up about it.

When I was in college, I moved in circles without a lot of drinking, so bars weren't a big part of the scene, but there was a lot of late-night socializing over Hot Truck, which is also no more. And the gaming culture was mostly table-top, in person, then.

jtwcornell91
When I was in college, I moved in circles without a lot of drinking, so bars weren't a big part of the scene, but there was a lot of late-night socializing over Hot Truck, which is also no more. And the gaming culture was mostly table-top, in person, then.

Hot Truck was the great equalizer. All circles gathered in the same place to achieve the same goal. Nobody was above the others, be it 7pm or 3:30am. Discussions of any topic were welcome. Fights were rare, respect was not. And Bob’s cabin was available as a warming hut.

For a time, SS kept things as they were. The first downturn was when you could call in orders, essentially avoiding payment the dues of the wait. Everything else was a slow descent to the ghost we have now.

I just had the following absolutely sincere thought, and it depresses me beyond words.

Good Self: "Self, if we wind up going against Clarkson in the QF, this is just like Colgate last year. You should consider going to the QF for the first time in 20 years to root the boys on, they need your help."

Bad Self: (whining) "Yeah, but traveling sucks..."

Good Self: "Traveling sucks? Fuck you, you've driven through white out blizzards in the North Country to watch a Tuesday night elimination, then gotten back in the car the following Friday and done it again. 'Traveling sucks.' Fuck you, man."

Bad Self: "OK, OK. But there is absolutely no reason to go to Ithaca, and nothing fun left to do there, and the campus has become an overcrowded STEMMY hellscape, and even CTown sucks."

Good Self: (long pause) "I got nothin'."

Quarterfinals weekend also has a good Penn State lacrosse team playing at Schoellkopf at noon Saturday.

There is a proposal for a new bar on the city's west end that would reuse Rulloff's furnishings.

Ithaca Voice
John said he purchased the bar fixtures from longtime Collegetown staple Rulloff’s, and is “going to try and reconstruct that bar in the space.”

Taber Street is not a Collegetown location, but might attract alumni.

upprdeck
Plans are to tear down joes and make it into more Appts. Just needs approval if its not a done deal already.

Gone
[www.14850.com]

anyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?

upprdeck
anyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?

Does anything in that space last? It seems like The Mall of Doom.

Trotsky

upprdeck
anyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?

Does anything in that space last? It seems like The Mall of Doom.

Yeah, there are plenty of businesses that have been in there forever -- CTB, the liquor store, Gene's Barbershop, and then even a newer place like Ithaca Coffee has been there for a long time now.

Weder

Trotsky

upprdeck
anyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?

Does anything in that space last? It seems like The Mall of Doom.

Yeah, there are plenty of businesses that have been in there forever -- CTB, the liquor store, Gene's Barbershop, and then even a newer place like Ithaca Coffee has been there for a long time now.

But not The Country Couple.

Trotsky

Weder

Trotsky

upprdeck
anyone been to the new sportsbar in triphammer mall?

Does anything in that space last? It seems like The Mall of Doom.

Yeah, there are plenty of businesses that have been in there forever -- CTB, the liquor store, Gene's Barbershop, and then even a newer place like Ithaca Coffee has been there for a long time now.

But not The Country Couple.

Oh man that brings back memories.

David Harding
There is a proposal for a new bar on the city's west end that would reuse Rulloff's furnishings.

Ithaca Voice
John said he purchased the bar fixtures from longtime Collegetown staple Rulloff’s, and is “going to try and reconstruct that bar in the space.”

Taber Street is not a Collegetown location, but might attract alumni.

I'm glad someone saved that bar. I worked behind it for 6 years, and can't wait to sit in front of it again someday.

New Collegetown bar doesn't plan to be a dive.
[cornellsun.com]

you could take a community like Collegetown and bring it to the next generation by executing a bar-restaurant to a high level

I weep for the future.

Kilpatrick's Pub downtown is closing, to be replaced by another (unnamed) "pub-style establishment" in a few months. [www.14850.com] [ithacavoice.org]

David Harding
Kilpatrick's Pub downtown is closing, to be replaced by another (unnamed) "pub-style establishment" in a few months. [www.14850.com] [ithacavoice.org]

Not the Finger lakes Beverage Center too!! That’s a loss I’ll feel. That was a great shop.

Lots of things at the bev center that were hard to find other places.

But in talking to them about some things the reg dist. was making life hard.

RichH

David Harding
Kilpatrick's Pub downtown is closing, to be replaced by another (unnamed) "pub-style establishment" in a few months. [www.14850.com] [ithacavoice.org]

Not the Finger lakes Beverage Center too!! That’s a loss I’ll feel. That was a great shop.

Was that the "buy it by the pallet" place down on 13? That place was a menace to my health. Where am I going to buy rehoboams of mead now?