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Winetasting is BS

Posted by billhoward 
Winetasting is BS
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 10, 2013 06:34AM

Why Winetasting is Bullshit. Cornell is cited indirectly (people think more highly of food when served in good settings)

io9.com
Statistician and wine-lover Robert Hodgson recently analyzed a series of wine competitions in California, after "wondering how wines, such as his own, [could] win a gold medal at one competition, and 'end up in the pooper' at others." In one study, Hodgson presented blindfolded wine experts with the same wine three times in succession. Incredibly, the judges' ratings typically varied by ±4 points on a standard ratings scale running from 80 to 100. Via the Wall Street Journal:

A wine rated 91 on one tasting would often be rated an 87 or 95 on the next. Some of the judges did much worse, and only about one in 10 regularly rated the same wine within a range of ±2 points.

Mr. Hodgson also found that the judges whose ratings were most consistent in any given year landed in the middle of the pack in other years, suggesting that their consistent performance that year had simply been due to chance.

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In 1996, research published in the Journal of Experimental Psychology concluded that wine experts cannot reliably identify more than three or four of a wine's flavor components. Most wine critics routinely report tasting six or more. The wine review excerpted in the top image for this post, for example (which is a real review, by the way – somebody actually wrote those words about a bottle of wine, in earnest) [reads in part "overall character is that of a sex loaded starlet, endowed, jaunty and erotically scented ..." --BH] lists the following components in the wine's "principle flavor" profile: "red roses, lavender, geranium, dried hibiscus flowers, cranberry raisins, currant jelly, mango with skins [Ed. note: jesus wine-swilling christ – mango with skins?], red plums, cobbler, cinnamon, star anise, blackberry bramble, whole black peppercorn," and more than a dozen other flavors that I refuse to continue listing lest my head implode.
 
Re: Winetasting is BS
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 10, 2013 07:04AM

Nah, it's a useful marker. When we run out of food and have to start culling the herd, the first knockout will be everybody who subscribes to a wine, cigar or car magazine.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/10/2013 07:04AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Winetasting is BS
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 10, 2013 08:41AM

,, a car magazine? Motor Trend or the old Road & Track, okay, no great loss. But Car and Driver? Cold, dead fingers.
 
Re: Winetasting is BS
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 10, 2013 10:31AM

billhoward
,, a car magazine? Motor Trend or the old Road & Track, okay, no great loss. But Car and Driver? Cold, dead fingers.
You've made your choice.
 
Re: Winetasting is BS
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 10, 2013 10:35AM

billhoward
(people think more highly of food when served in good settings)
Back to the original idea, Penn and Teller did a great episode of Bullshit! where they showed you can serve people urine and pig snouts and if you sell it with the right presentation they'll pay anything and love it. This, and the psychological effect that the more we pay for something the more we rationalize our decision to do so, is the principle underlying every expensive restaurant on earth. Honestly it's probably the principle underlying every expensive anything on earth.

We are not very clever animals. Start over with cats.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/10/2013 10:40AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Winetasting is BS
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: May 10, 2013 05:28PM

Trotsky
billhoward
,, a car magazine? Motor Trend or the old Road & Track, okay, no great loss. But Car and Driver? Cold, dead fingers.
You've made your choice.
I would never read a car magazine - I've just never been that guy - but cars are engineering. Huge difference between cars on the one hand and wine and cigars on the other.

 
 
Re: Winetasting is BS
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 10, 2013 06:52PM

New York City residents are to car magazines as eunuchs are to sex manuals.
 
Re: Winetasting is BS
Posted by: ftyuv (---.bstnma.east.verizon.net)
Date: May 21, 2013 01:15AM

ugarte
Trotsky
billhoward
,, a car magazine? Motor Trend or the old Road & Track, okay, no great loss. But Car and Driver? Cold, dead fingers.
You've made your choice.
I would never read a car magazine - I've just never been that guy - but cars are engineering. Huge difference between cars on the one hand and wine and cigars on the other.
And wine is chemistry. What's subjective, in both cases, is our perception of the components and how we add them up to an "awesomeness" factor.
 

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