Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by George64
Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 12, 2023 03:11PM
Alert: This has nothing to do with the ROTC riflery team.
Should College Come With Trigger Warnings? At Cornell, It’s a ‘Hard No.’ I think President Pollack made the right call.
NYT article
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Should College Come With Trigger Warnings? At Cornell, It’s a ‘Hard No.’ I think President Pollack made the right call.
NYT article
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Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: April 12, 2023 03:29PM
George64
Alert: This has nothing to do with the ROTC riflery team.
Should College Come With Trigger Warnings? At Cornell, It’s a ‘Hard No.’ I think President Pollack made the right call.
NYT article
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Of course she made the right call. I'm a left-of-center guy, but this is a bunch of Tom Foolery.
Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: Trotsky (12.151.182.---)
Date: April 12, 2023 03:44PM
It's not just a Left thing. As we learn hilariously every day, some of our most fragile snowflakes comes from the Derp side.
Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 12, 2023 07:01PM
The NYT is following the WSJ OpEd people, who've been mining the kerfuffle at Stanford and to a lesser extent, Ann Coulter getting shouted down at Cornell.
I'm pretty much an absolutist on speaker's rights. If you go to a forum, at a university, the speaker speaks while the audience listens and in Q&A asks questions, likely pointed questions. Too many people feel that whatever cause they believe in justifies stopping the program because the speaker causes harm via access to the podium and a microphone.
Journal stories (commentaries). The first is by Stuart Kyle Duncan, the (conservative) Circuit Court of Appeals judge:
"My Struggle Session at Stanford Law School: A dean voices pride that students are being taught to stage tantrums rather than make a reasoned case."
[www.wsj.com]
"Diversity and Free Speech Can Coexist at Stanford: We have to stop blaming, start listening, and ask ourselves: Is the juice worth the squeeze?" [www.wsj.com]
I'm pretty much an absolutist on speaker's rights. If you go to a forum, at a university, the speaker speaks while the audience listens and in Q&A asks questions, likely pointed questions. Too many people feel that whatever cause they believe in justifies stopping the program because the speaker causes harm via access to the podium and a microphone.
Journal stories (commentaries). The first is by Stuart Kyle Duncan, the (conservative) Circuit Court of Appeals judge:
"My Struggle Session at Stanford Law School: A dean voices pride that students are being taught to stage tantrums rather than make a reasoned case."
[www.wsj.com]
"Diversity and Free Speech Can Coexist at Stanford: We have to stop blaming, start listening, and ask ourselves: Is the juice worth the squeeze?" [www.wsj.com]
Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: April 12, 2023 09:13PM
billhoward
The NYT is following the WSJ OpEd people, who've been mining the kerfuffle at Stanford and to a lesser extent, Ann Coulter getting shouted down at Cornell.
I'm pretty much an absolutist on speaker's rights. If you go to a forum, at a university, the speaker speaks while the audience listens and in Q&A asks questions, likely pointed questions. Too many people feel that whatever cause they believe in justifies stopping the program because the speaker causes harm via access to the podium and a microphone.
Journal stories (commentaries). The first is by Stuart Kyle Duncan, the (conservative) Circuit Court of Appeals judge:
"My Struggle Session at Stanford Law School: A dean voices pride that students are being taught to stage tantrums rather than make a reasoned case."
[www.wsj.com]
"Diversity and Free Speech Can Coexist at Stanford: We have to stop blaming, start listening, and ask ourselves: Is the juice worth the squeeze?" [www.wsj.com]
Republicans in Texas are pushing to end tenure in a university system that serves over 660k students, but the NYT put a disagreement between students and faculty at Cornell over trigger warnings on its digital front page—clearly the more important story[t.co] pic.twitter.com/fXXO9M8ube
— Dan Royles🗽 (@danroyles) April 12, 2023
Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: Trotsky (12.151.182.---)
Date: April 25, 2023 09:57AM
Let me guess. It's his typical garbage take about oh noes those wokies will doom us all.
Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 25, 2023 05:31PM
Maher was in fine spirits for this item. And the Cojones Trophy (first awardee, Martha Pollock) did in fact swing.
There is still maneuvering room between saying students today react badly to too many perceived slights ... and agreeing daily with WSJ editorials and with their op-ed members of the Screedwriters Guild. I do on occasion find myself nodding with some Journal edit page snippet and worrying I've become my grandfather.
There is still maneuvering room between saying students today react badly to too many perceived slights ... and agreeing daily with WSJ editorials and with their op-ed members of the Screedwriters Guild. I do on occasion find myself nodding with some Journal edit page snippet and worrying I've become my grandfather.
Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: April 26, 2023 08:23AM
Trotsky
Let me guess. It's his typical garbage take about oh noes those wokies will doom us all.
Has he ever come to terms that he had a show called "Politically Incorrect" which was cancelled because he said something that disproportionately offended conservatives?
Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 26, 2023 10:32AM
In related news, the first novel by Toni Morrison, MA ‘55, has made the American Library Association’s annual list of most challenged books. The ALA defines a challenge as a 'formal, written complaint filed with a library or school requesting that materials be removed because of content or appropriateness. Morrison’s 1970 novel, 'The Bluest Eye,' has been criticized for its references to rape and incest.
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Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 27, 2023 02:27PM
You go, Toni.George64
In related news, the first novel by Toni Morrison, MA ‘55, has made the American Library Association’s annual list of most challenged books. The ALA defines a challenge as a 'formal, written complaint filed with a library or school requesting that materials be removed because of content or appropriateness. Morrison’s 1970 novel, 'The Bluest Eye,' has been criticized for its references to rape and incest.
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In our [Boomers] lifetime, the finest boost to a writer or journalist was to have made Richard Nixon's enemies list. Art Buchwald (WaPost humorist) wrote of his sadness in never have made the list. Link is to an article about Buchwald's lament, not the actual column: [newspapers.bc.edu]-------
Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: April 29, 2023 08:58AM
From BBC News: The principal of a Tallahassee school has been forced to resign after a parent complained that sixth-grade students were exposed to pornography. The complaint arose from a Renaissance art lesson where students were shown Michelangelo's statue of David. One parent complained the material was pornographic and two others said they wanted to know about the class before it was taught.
The parents should know what their kids look at online.
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The parents should know what their kids look at online.
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Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: Swampy (---.reverse-dns)
Date: June 20, 2023 12:47PM
Thanks. Very funny. But in fairness to the students, Maher trivializes the issue by ignoring the specific complaint that led to the students' proposal.
IIRC from the Times article, in this case, a former rape victim had a reading assignment that unexpectedly had a graphicly depicted rape scene. It's been some time since I read the article, but IIRC the student didn't ask to be excused from the assignment but only forewarned about the scene.
Given what goes on through other avenues, this seems reasonable. For example, I know of a graduate student who claimed math causes him anxiety attacks. His doctor wrote a note, and the university accepted this as a disability. So Disability Services told an economics instructor to teach the "concepts" in a required graduate economics course without using math. But Disability Services' service ended there. They provided the instructor with no clue on how to teach the subject sans math or texts that don't use math to explain the relevant economic concepts.
This is an example of how fear of a lawsuit achieves what far milder "trigger warnings" cannot. The administration's fear of a lawsuit effectively excused the student from mastering the course content, and the administration did not really care about the student's learning. In contrast, the "trigger warning" proposed at Cornell would simply prepare students for emotionally difficult subject matter.
Re: Trigger warnings . . .
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 23, 2023 07:25PM
Maher has not been funny since before 9/11.
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