Cornell at Princeton Postgame

Alaska-Anchorage is up on Minny 3-0 at Mariucci at the halfway point.

Cornell leads Princeton 60-56 in hoops with under a minute to go.

still in progress:
Dartmouth 3-2 over St. Lawrence
Brown 3-1 over Union

Finals:
St. Lawrence 2 at Dartmouth 6
Clarkson 3 at Vermont 2
Cornell 5 at Princeton 0
Colgate 0 at Yale 0
Brown 3 at Union 0
Harvard 3 at RPI 0

With regards to the Colgate-Yale game, who would we rather have won that game?

3-1 UAA now (end of 2nd now)

With the win, our RPI drops 0.0021 - but we stay tied with BC for 4 nationally

FYI - for those complimenting the Princeton broadcaster, It was probably Ed Benkin, who filled in for me on Cornell broadcasts twice last season.

[Q]Will Wrote:

With regards to the Colgate-Yale game, who would we rather have won that game?[/q]
I'd say Colgate - they're in serious trouble for the at large now, not very likely - 4 ECAC at larges would have been awesome

If you're talking in conference, well, Yale, I guess. We can hope they got their good play out of their system for the weekend now too.

you mean 3-0 brown over union right?

yea. i can't type as fast as the radio reports, and mistakes get made

[OT]
Men's bball team pulls out a 66-58 upset over Princeton, ending a 19-game streak of road losses against the Tigers.
4th straight win.
10-10 overall, 5-2 Ivy record, good for second in the conference, and they face first-place Penn tomorrow. Huge game!

Two good games in a row for Yale.

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

Two good games in a row for Yale.[/q]
didn't you hear al ... they're the best 12th place team in the league

Wisconsin up 1-0 early vs. DU

3rd underway in Minnesota

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And SCSU up 1-0 over CC in the 1st

Shots in the Minny game are 54-20, Minnesota. Still 3-1 UAA.

and DU takes a 2-1 lead on Wisc

and due to who knows what, Minn has already dropped to tied for 3rd with us and BC

Id rather have had colgate win, assuming they advance into the playoffs its better for them to have a better record to help our rpi if we play them a third time...

UNO ties Mich 4-4 with a SHG. 8:00 to go in the 3rd.

Edit: and a minute later Michigan goes up 5-4 on the same PP.

6:03 to go at Mariucci. 21-56 SOG. 3-1 score.

2:25 to go still 3-1 UAA

Decaro stones Sertich with 3 minutes to go; still 3-1, 2:43.

Minny net empty

With 3-2-1 bonus we're tied for 4th with BC AND winning the comparison.

Minn with a few chances...

Minn pulls their goalie...

UAA will get a penalty on top of it

timeout

Cornell will still trail Minny in their pairwise comparison even if Minny falls below Cornell in RPI. However, another pair somewhere down the road may flip for Minny.

1 minute to play in the period, 1 minute

6x4

Also, CC and DU are both vulnerable to flips to Cornell because they have zero common opponents and no interconference games left. If Cornell can climb over either in RPI, then they will win the 1-1 pairwise comparison.

Minny goes offsides on their own 6x4.

off a skate and in (didn't look like a kick) 3-2... 7.9 seconds left

okay, it wasn't a kicking motion, but it was a definite skate direction...

doesn't matter, game over!

minny goal (deflection in front) 7 seconds to go

Minny scores with 7.9 secs to go. 3-2.

Whew! Score another one for the Cornell text messaging service which reported the final score Princeton 5 Cornell 0. This one was just too bizarro to have any face validity fortunately.

Sweet.

Michigan up 6-4 with a minute to go. Looks like they'll hang on for the victory in Omaha.

well there's your goalie of the week ... UAA's john decaro w/ 57 saves in their 3-2 win over Minnesota

And they don't drop!

Michigan wins 6-4.

How do you break a three way tie in PWR when each team wins one comparison?

interesting, cornell/bc/minne tied for 3 after bonuses. minne wins v cornell, cornell wins v bc and bc wins v minne. what happens then? rpi rank order??? of course this may change with the games still being played. time to sleep....

[Q]nyc94 Wrote:

How do you break a three way tie in PWR when each team wins one comparison?[/q]
RPI is the answer to just about every PWR tie break - pretty much everyone really

[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:

And they don't drop!

[/q]

But it's very, very close, now. Their lead in RPI is down to .5856 - .5836. Also, whereas adding bonuses used to push Cornell all the way down to 6th, they now stay 4th.

[Q]jy3 Wrote:

interesting, cornell/bc/minne tied for 3 after bonuses. minne wins v cornell, cornell wins v bc and bc wins v minne. what happens then? rpi rank order??? of course this may change with the games still being played. time to sleep....[/q]

In the case of rock-scissors-paper, RPI is used to break the tie.

In principle, you should look at the head-to-head comparison when two teams win the same number of comparisons, but RPI is easier to code as a tiebreaker, and the committee of late seems not to know what an individual pairwise comparison is, so who knows.

Anyone else notice St. Lawrence is not a TUC without bonus points?

With all but 1 game reported, St. Lawrence's RPI is .500

DU 4, Wisc 2 - late 2nd

DU 4, Wisc 3 - end 2nd

For every game against the Colgate's and Harvard's, there is a game against the Princeton's. Tonight was probably the least entertaining and exciting game of the season. Never was it really in doubt. Cornell played well enough to win. Princeton just doesn't have much. McKee did make some big saves. Nice to see some balanced scoring from different sources. In the last three games, I have seen Moulson get maybe three remotely decent chances to score. Well, he scored on one of em tonight. Otherwise, he was shut down as he was against Colgate. He may be perhaps the most dangerous goal scorer in the NCAA just because he only needs one or two opportunities. I'm thinking tomorrow night be a tough one. Another note is that O'Byrne played well over 30 minutes tonight and looked pretty good. Salmela did well in limited action.

3 Stars:
1. Iggulden
2. O'Byrne
3. McKee

Actual discussion of the Cornell game??? What's the matter with you Ari? This thread is only about other action around the league.

So if we beat SLU again, and they manage to stay a TUC, and if UAA beats Minn again tomorrow, and they happen to become a TUC (at least partially through that), then we could take the TUC comparison with Minn and, assuming we kept the RPI comparison too, the PWR comparison.

Yeah, a number of ifs, but they're all definitely possible, so it *is* feasible for us to take the Minn comparison, and knock them down further towards where they belong.

Btw, Mich may be able to do the same. Minn's weakest is if they lost to TUC's (like SCSU) and make teams TUCs by virtual of losing to them (llike UAA).

As of right now, St. Lawrence has two quality road wins so there is a decent probability of them being a TUC but they need to beat someone soon!

Great play tonight. Was Pegs' goal an own goal? It looked to me like he tried to slide it across to the crease but the Princeton defender got a bad stick on it and it went in. I am not sure.... can someone clarify?
The Cook one-timer was a great goal that we don't see often enough b/c it's so hard to do. Perfectly placed shot.
Iggy had a great goal on an individual effort. It is very difficult to go straight at the goalie like that with a guy on your heels and he pulled a great move to put it past the sieve. Did anyone else notice him falling flat on his face as he skated back to the bench for the congratulations? It was pure Iggy.... a great play and then just something completly weird like falling when skating back for the congrats.
Moulson had a great goal but it was b/c of Princeton's poor coverage. Both defenders focused on the other Cornell skater on the 2-2 and left Matt completely open for a shot which he buried.
Ari making O'byrne his #2 star of the game.... he played well but gave me a few heart attacks. Coming out from the behind our goal in the second he almost got the puck stolen in our defensive end but was able to drag it forward and pass it up. And in the 3rd.. was it him who passed it across the middle of the ice in front of our goal and gave the guy an open shot on McKee? It was def. his line but I don't recall if it were him. Just a few things that don't show up on the score sheet.... otherwise he had a good game, but nothing spectacular.

Some late scores of note:

SCSU 4 CC 3 (OT)
DU 4 Wisc. 3
UAF 6 Mich St. 5 (OT)

With all results in, DU in the top PWR spot. BC-CC tied for #2, and Minny-Cornell tied for #4

[Q]sockralex Wrote:

Great play tonight. Was Pegs' goal an own goal? It looked to me like he tried to slide it across to the crease but the Princeton defender got a bad stick on it and it went in. I am not sure.... can someone clarify?[/q]
How about the goal scorer himself? From the USCHO recap:
[www.uscho.com]
[Q]Daniel Pegoraro's centering pass from behind the goal line bounced off a couple of bodies in front of the net and in for his sixth goal of the season.

"I tried to force it through and they ended up tipping it in," Pegoraro said. "I lucked out that way. It was a good way to start out the game for us and get a quick power-play goal. I'm pretty happy with the win tonight."[/Q]

[q]Another note is that O'Byrne played well over 30 minutes tonight and looked pretty good.[/q]This tidbit seemed significant in light of all of the discussion about O'Byrne being a liability. I wonder how O'Byrne would fare if we looked at penalty minutes per minute of ice time. COnsidering how much ice time he logs this might put the penalties into perspective. He certainly wouldn't come off as an angel, but I'm just speculating.

Besides, this stat would be a great way to honor the great accomplishments of Damian Rocke '97.

McKee made some really nice saves to preserve the shutout. Other than the first power play, which was awfully sloppy despite eventually leading to Pegoraro's goal, the special teams were great tonight.

[Q]sockralex Wrote:

Great play tonight. Was Pegs' goal an own goal? It looked to me like he tried to slide it across to the crease but the Princeton defender got a bad stick on it and it went in. I am not sure.... can someone clarify?
The Cook one-timer was a great goal that we don't see often enough b/c it's so hard to do. Perfectly placed shot.
Iggy had a great goal on an individual effort. It is very difficult to go straight at the goalie like that with a guy on your heels and he pulled a great move to put it past the sieve. Did anyone else notice him falling flat on his face as he skated back to the bench for the congratulations? It was pure Iggy.... a great play and then just something completly weird like falling when skating back for the congrats.
Moulson had a great goal but it was b/c of Princeton's poor coverage. Both defenders focused on the other Cornell skater on the 2-2 and left Matt completely open for a shot which he buried.
Ari making O'byrne his #2 star of the game.... he played well but gave me a few heart attacks. Coming out from the behind our goal in the second he almost got the puck stolen in our defensive end but was able to drag it forward and pass it up. And in the 3rd.. was it him who passed it across the middle of the ice in front of our goal and gave the guy an open shot on McKee? It was def. his line but I don't recall if it were him. Just a few things that don't show up on the score sheet.... otherwise he had a good game, but nothing spectacular.[/q]


That was Pegoraro that gave away the puck in front of the net in the third period. Again, I thought O'Byrne was really good. He looks lethargic a lot so it seems like he isn't playing well, but I think he just paces himself. He really gets a ton of ice time. The fact that Pokuluk is done and with Salmela in, it gives O'Byrne even more ice time. I generally am not a big O'Byrne fan but I think he has tremendous upside. His biggest issues are consistentcy and penalties. He was a force tonight. Let's see how he does tomorrow.