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Opponents and Others, 2022-23

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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 04, 2023 09:01PM

some crazy reviews going canadas way vs the us tonight in the worlds. If this was a Cornell game it would have create 2 pages of complaints
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-231-50.myvzw.com)
Date: January 06, 2023 08:41PM

Harvard trailing at Hobey Baker 3-0 after 2!
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 06, 2023 08:49PM

marty
Harvard trailing at Hobey Baker 3-0 after 2!

Princeton’s come on a bit of late and will be a tough out in most games.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 06, 2023 08:51PM

Yale also leading at Merrimack 3-1 well into the 3rd. That would be a huge upset to the benefit of the rest of the ECAC
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 06, 2023 09:05PM

Tigers holding that 3 goals lead against the Crimson halfway through the third.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 06, 2023 09:09PM

Iceberg
Yale also leading at Merrimack 3-1 well into the 3rd. That would be a huge upset to the benefit of the rest of the ECAC
Merrimack 2 third period goals, now 3-3.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.217.---)
Date: January 06, 2023 09:31PM

Trotsky
Iceberg
Yale also leading at Merrimack 3-1 well into the 3rd. That would be a huge upset to the benefit of the rest of the ECAC
Merrimack 2 third period goals, now 3-3.


And that's how it ends...without a shootout.


Meanwhile, Harvard comes back from 3-0 down and wins late in overtime 4-3
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 05:24AM

Welp, Q gonna be #1.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:15AM

it is settnig up for a pretty intersesting next set up games.. BU next week then Quin the next game and Harvard 3 games later.

Quin/Harv tonight
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: CU2007 (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 10:15AM

So I was thinking during our shoot-out with AIC, is it correct that there is zero impact on PWR/RPI and obviously no standings, so is a non-conference shootout entirely pointless?
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 11:54AM

CU2007
So I was thinking during our shoot-out with AIC, is it correct that there is zero impact on PWR/RPI and obviously no standings, so is a non-conference shootout entirely pointless?
Yes. Literally no meaning. Just masturbating the non-fans.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-209.myvzw.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 12:41PM

Trotsky
CU2007
So I was thinking during our shoot-out with AIC, is it correct that there is zero impact on PWR/RPI and obviously no standings, so is a non-conference shootout entirely pointless?
Yes. Literally no meaning. Just masturbating the non-fans.

For what it's worth, the players seemed to be into it.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 05:46PM

UConn loses, so we drop to 13. But probably temporary...Sparty is getting crushed by THE.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 05:58PM

Dafatone
Trotsky
CU2007
So I was thinking during our shoot-out with AIC, is it correct that there is zero impact on PWR/RPI and obviously no standings, so is a non-conference shootout entirely pointless?
Yes. Literally no meaning. Just masturbating the non-fans.

For what it's worth, the players seemed to be into it.
OK that is worth something. Before anything else the game belongs to them.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 06:03PM

Colgate up on Union 2-1 with 10 minutes left in the 3rd.

Whistle at exactly 10 minutes and no shovel time out. I second too soon, I guess.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 06:34PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
UConn loses, so we drop to 13. But probably temporary...Sparty is getting crushed by THE.

Yep, after the OSU/MSU game goes final, we're back to 12.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ACM (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 07, 2023 06:45PM

marty
Colgate up on Union 2-1 with 10 minutes left in the 3rd.

Whistle at exactly 10 minutes and no shovel time out. I second too soon, I guess.

From ECAC Policies and Procedures:
"There will be one (1) TV Timeout (TVTO), 90 seconds
in length, each period - not to include any overtime
period. The TVTO shall occur at the first permissible
stoppage of play under the 10-minute mark"
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 06:47PM

Union holds Gate to 2 so... good sign in comparing us with the Red Raiders? Maybe?

Yeah, I know.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Dunc (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 08:23PM

Brown leading Merrimack 5-1 in the second

Love to see it
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:37PM

Except for Clarkson, who tied an opponent with lower PWR, every ECAC team playing a OOC game won tonight. Also, Q pounds Harvard so I don't think there's much question as to who will be #1 in the conference at the end of February.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 09:40PM

And we move up to 10 in the PWR.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2023 09:42PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 10:01PM

ECAC in PWR now:
 2. Qpc
 9. Hvd
10. Cor

(Look out below)

36. Clk
37. Prn
38. Cgt

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/07/2023 10:01PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 07, 2023 10:05PM

ECAC Winning Percentage, including the Derp Points:
1.000 Qpc
 .733 Cor
 .700 Hvd
 .633 Cgt

.625 SLU .513 Prn .458 Clk .333 RPI
.300 Uni .233 Brn .185 Drt .167 Yal
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: abmarks (107.122.189.---)
Date: January 08, 2023 04:49PM

Yale overachieved this weekend.

Tie with pwr#10 Merrimack

1-1 tie with uvm pwr#50 (won the non counting shootout)
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 08, 2023 05:14PM

the good news is right now losing the first 2 games has almost been removed from a PWR issue for us in where we are now..
right now a split would be the same as if we had beaten Harvard.
Beating BU would be a good one to bag going forward. Just beating Bu or Harvard flips a few things for us.
losing all 3 of the good teams left though might knock us right back down out of the top 15 or so.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 05:19PM

#2 at home, #8 and #9 on the road. I hope we can get a win out of those 3 games and then feast on the rest of the schedule.

The Goal is top 3 in the ECAC to avoid Q until the Placid final, and then top 12 in the PWR to avoid a regional 1-seed (Who knows? Maybe Q again.) until the NC$$ QF.

Regionals and hosts (with current PWR) FIXED

N Manchester (UNH #49)
E Bridgeport (Yale #56)
M St. Louis (Lindenwood #55)
W Fargo (NoDak #16)

It would be very nice if NoDak fails to make the tourny to get rid of that nonsense.
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2023 06:39PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 05:26PM

upprdeck
the good news is right now losing the first 2 games has almost been removed from a PWR issue for us in where we are now..
right now a split would be the same as if we had beaten Harvard.
As I understand the pairwise, swapping outcomes with a different game in the schedule should have almost no effect on our ranking. For example, winning one or the games vs UMD instead of losing would have been equivalent to turning any other loss this season (Q or Clarkson) into a win. Pairwise is a function of win% and strength of schedule. The ranking is agnostic as to whether your wins come versus the easy or hard part of the schedule.

So, losing the two games vs UMD will continue to hurt us, but if we had won those games and instead lost to Yale and Brown, we’d be in virtually the same position. Right?
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 05:44PM

Trotsky
#2 at home, #8 and #9 on the road. I hope we can get a win out of those 3 games and then feast on the rest of the schedule.

The Goal is top 3 in the ECAC to avoid Q until the Placid final, and then top 12 in the PWR to avoid a regional 1-seed (Who knows? Maybe Q again.) until the NC$$ QF.

Regionals and hosts (with current PWR)

N Manchester (UNH #49)
E Allentown (Pedo State #4)
M St. Louis (Lindenwood #55)
W Fargo (NoDak #16)

It would be very nice if NoDak fails to make the tourny to get rid of that nonsense. That would free up the eastern regionals as Allentown (Pedo as a forced home 1 or 2) and Manchester (Q as a 1). I can see any of BU, Harvard, Merrimack, Cornell, UConn getting either 3-band in that case.

The NCAA site says Bridgeport (Yale) has a regional, not St. Louis.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 06:36PM

Weder
The NCAA site says Bridgeport (Yale) has a regional, not St. Louis.

I suck.

Fixed above.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/08/2023 06:37PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 08, 2023 07:10PM

FWIW, I did a bracketology this weekend. I had us in Allentown with Penn State, Denver, and Michigan Tech.

If you simply layout the numerical pairings, Western Michigan would wind up in the 3rd slot against Denver, but since they can't play Denver in the 1st round, I swapped us and Western (and sent Western to Manchester). Other than that, everything went straight by the numbers with the Goofers in Fargo, Quinny in Bridgeport, and St. Cloud in Manchester.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: abmarks (50.214.154.---)
Date: January 08, 2023 09:48PM

Trotsky
CU2007
So I was thinking during our shoot-out with AIC, is it correct that there is zero impact on PWR/RPI and obviously no standings, so is a non-conference shootout entirely pointless?
Yes. Literally no meaning. Just masturbating the non-fans.

Not pointless. Was listening to the Vermont radio feed yesterday when they went to a shootout vs. Yale. Announcing crew said that home team I'm an OOC game chooses whether there's a shootout or not, and that uvm coach prefers shootouts literally for their practice value. Shootouts that Matter dont happen too often, so it's a chance to let the guys experience the pressure.

Makes sense to me.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 09, 2023 09:54AM

I think shootouts make teams practice that skill more so things like Penalty shots become more normal to the guys..

I have no idea how much time we spend on that skill vs 10 yrs ago though.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 11:02AM

Alls I know is I want Zach in the rotation for penalty shots for the rest of his career. He looked like he knew what he was doing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2023 11:02AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 06:02PM

Trotsky
Alls I know is I want Zach in the rotation for penalty shots for the rest of his career. He looked like he knew what he was doing.
getting the goalie doing the splits and sliding the puck 5 hole was nice. would have been slick even if it didn't make it through, but nobody would have given him credit for it.

 
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 07:08PM

Other than shoot-outs, how many penalty shots are taken each year?

Not many.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 09, 2023 08:53PM

The keeeds will never know how intense a penalty shot was before the NHL shat itself.

Just another thing of beauty gone through sheer stupidity.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Troyfan (---.kya.res.rr.com)
Date: January 11, 2023 07:09AM

Iceberg
Trotsky
Iceberg
Yale also leading at Merrimack 3-1 well into the 3rd. That would be a huge upset to the benefit of the rest of the ECAC
Merrimack 2 third period goals, now 3-3.


And that's how it ends...without a shootout.


Meanwhile, Harvard comes back from 3-0 down and wins late in overtime 4-3

We did the exact same thing to Harvard in the Lance Nethery era. Down 3-0 midway in the 3rd, come back win it 4 - 3. I don't remember if it was OT or regulation. If I really stretch between the ears, I think Pete Stornik might have gotten the hat trick to tie it.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: redice (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 11, 2023 09:21AM

Troyfan
Iceberg
Trotsky
Iceberg
Yale also leading at Merrimack 3-1 well into the 3rd. That would be a huge upset to the benefit of the rest of the ECAC
Merrimack 2 third period goals, now 3-3.


And that's how it ends...without a shootout.


Meanwhile, Harvard comes back from 3-0 down and wins late in overtime 4-3

We did the exact same thing to Harvard in the Lance Nethery era. Down 3-0 midway in the 3rd, come back win it 4 - 3. I don't remember if it was OT or regulation. If I really stretch between the ears, I think Pete Stornik might have gotten the hat trick to tie it.

I believe Stornik's first name was John....

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 11, 2023 09:21AM

Troyfan
Iceberg
Trotsky
Iceberg
Yale also leading at Merrimack 3-1 well into the 3rd. That would be a huge upset to the benefit of the rest of the ECAC
Merrimack 2 third period goals, now 3-3.


And that's how it ends...without a shootout.


Meanwhile, Harvard comes back from 3-0 down and wins late in overtime 4-3

We did the exact same thing to Harvard in the Lance Nethery era. Down 3-0 midway in the 3rd, come back win it 4 - 3. I don't remember if it was OT or regulation. If I really stretch between the ears, I think Pete Stornik might have gotten the hat trick to tie it.

2/23/78
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: dbilmes (64.224.255.---)
Date: January 11, 2023 10:04AM

Trotsky
Troyfan
Iceberg
Trotsky
Iceberg
Yale also leading at Merrimack 3-1 well into the 3rd. That would be a huge upset to the benefit of the rest of the ECAC
Merrimack 2 third period goals, now 3-3.


And that's how it ends...without a shootout.


Meanwhile, Harvard comes back from 3-0 down and wins late in overtime 4-3

We did the exact same thing to Harvard in the Lance Nethery era. Down 3-0 midway in the 3rd, come back win it 4 - 3. I don't remember if it was OT or regulation. If I really stretch between the ears, I think Pete Stornik might have gotten the hat trick to tie it.

2/23/78
There were a combined 85 shots on goal in that game. Those high-scoring games in the 1970s were so much fun to watch!
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 11, 2023 05:25PM

Is Lindenwood #55 a college or a barrel-aged California Chardonnay?
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-235-210.myvzw.com)
Date: January 11, 2023 05:43PM

billhoward
Is Lindenwood #55 a college or a barrel-aged California Chardonnay?

Unsure, but I think Stonehill may be a fake school invented by Dartmouth to keep them out of last place.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 11, 2023 06:13PM

Dafatone
billhoward
Is Lindenwood #55 a college or a barrel-aged California Chardonnay?

Unsure, but I think Stonehill may be a fake school invented by Dartmouth to keep them out of last place.
Stonehill actually sounds like a prep school where they get their date rapists from.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 13, 2023 07:19PM

Clarkson up 1-0 at Harvard and there sure look like a lot of opposing fans in attendance
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 14, 2023 02:53AM

Harvard 4 Clarkson 1, final.

Clarkson down to 9-9-3; 3-6-0 (3+2+0). That's pretty unhealthy for a consensus top 4.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2023 02:54AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: dbilmes (64.224.255.---)
Date: January 14, 2023 08:25AM

Trotsky
Harvard 4 Clarkson 1, final.

Clarkson down to 9-9-3; 3-6-0 (3+2+0). That's pretty unhealthy for a consensus top 4.
Harvard just dominated the final two periods of this game. It's also undefeated at home, something Cornell can hopefully do something about in a few weeks. As for Clarkson, the announcers kept pointing out that since starting the season 2-6, Clarkson had only lost twice since November 5.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: January 17, 2023 09:20PM

Princeton overcame multiple minor penalties and then drew a major late in the 3rd to tie Providence 2-2.

OT about to begin with 1:28 left in the major.

And the Tigers win 3x3 in OT.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2023 09:27PM by marty.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: chimpfood (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 29, 2023 06:55PM

I think it’s time for the pairwise to give more than a 20 percent bonus for away games. If you look around the ncaa this year there are some tremendous differences in home vs away record. Just in the ECAC harvard and Q are undefeated at home, we have one loss at home and are below .500 away. Even Yale is hovering around .500 at home.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 30, 2023 01:30AM

chimpfood
I think it’s time for the pairwise to give more than a 20 percent bonus for away games. If you look around the ncaa this year there are some tremendous differences in home vs away record. Just in the ECAC harvard and Q are undefeated at home, we have one loss at home and are below .500 away. Even Yale is hovering around .500 at home.

RPI hasn't won a game away from the HFH this season.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: marty (---.windscribe.com)
Date: January 30, 2023 04:14AM

ursusminor
chimpfood
I think it’s time for the pairwise to give more than a 20 percent bonus for away games. If you look around the ncaa this year there are some tremendous differences in home vs away record. Just in the ECAC harvard and Q are undefeated at home, we have one loss at home and are below .500 away. Even Yale is hovering around .500 at home.

RPI hasn't won a game away from the HFH this season.

And Union has won just once in regulation while away.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 30, 2023 07:50AM

I just noticed that every conference leader is in the top 16.
I don't know if this has ever happened before.
I am pretty sure no season has ended this way for NCAA selections.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2023 07:51AM by nshapiro.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 30, 2023 01:51PM

nshapiro
I just noticed that every conference leader is in the top 16.
I don't know if this has ever happened before.
I am pretty sure no season has ended this way for NCAA selections.

Seems like RIT is really quite good this season, as KRACH agrees somewhat with the pairwise. One can only imagine how their program might develop if they were in a better conference… whistle
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 30, 2023 03:59PM

we will see how the go as the scholie things comes into play more for them
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 30, 2023 04:11PM

If cornell sweeps this weekend they move into 1st-2nd. the question is who will be in first. as Quin then plays Dartmouth sat

If harvard wins in Reg. it would be

Harv 37
Cornell 37
Quin 36 so Quin could be 36-37-38-39 after Sat.

If Harv wins in ot

QUin 37 Quin could be 37-40 after sat
Cornell 37
Harv 36

If quin wins in Reg
Quin 39 could be 39-42
cornell 37
Harv 34

If Quin wins in OT
QUin 38 could be 38-41 after Sat
Cornell 37
Harv 35

After the weekend Cornell/Quin will still have a game in hand with Harvard

1st place is not out of play. But Harvard winning probably brings it more into play
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: marty (---.windscribe.com)
Date: January 30, 2023 08:01PM

nshapiro
I just noticed that every conference leader is in the top 16.
I don't know if this has ever happened before.
I am pretty sure no season has ended this way for NCAA selections.

Anyone else notice a conference with only 7 teams that had 6 of them ranked in the top 20? This is a conference that has had much trouble gaining traction in the Frozen Four since its (rather recent) inception.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: RichH (---.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com)
Date: January 30, 2023 09:02PM

marty
nshapiro
I just noticed that every conference leader is in the top 16.
I don't know if this has ever happened before.
I am pretty sure no season has ended this way for NCAA selections.

Anyone else notice a conference with only 7 teams that had 6 of them ranked in the top 20? This is a conference that has had much trouble gaining traction in the Frozen Four since its (rather recent) inception.

Yep. It reminds me of the ACC lax league of 15-20 years ago. So much weight was put into SoS that just playing a league schedule made sure a majority of teams made the ncaas.

Notre Dame risks finishing in the top 16 with a losing record and being ineligible.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: chimpfood (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 30, 2023 09:07PM

RichH
marty
nshapiro
I just noticed that every conference leader is in the top 16.
I don't know if this has ever happened before.
I am pretty sure no season has ended this way for NCAA selections.

Anyone else notice a conference with only 7 teams that had 6 of them ranked in the top 20? This is a conference that has had much trouble gaining traction in the Frozen Four since its (rather recent) inception.

Yep. It reminds me of the ACC lax league of 15-20 years ago. So much weight was put into SoS that just playing a league schedule made sure a majority of teams made the ncaas.

Notre Dame risks finishing in the top 16 with a losing record and being ineligible.
That’s what I hate about pairwise. So much is out into strength of schedule when that’s the one thing that schools can’t control. Teams can’t choose how strong or weak their conference is each year and a lot of the time schools with a worse record from the strong conferences struggle in the tournament.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: January 31, 2023 08:58AM

chimpfood
I think it’s time for the pairwise to give more than a 20 percent bonus for away games. If you look around the ncaa this year there are some tremendous differences in home vs away record. Just in the ECAC harvard and Q are undefeated at home, we have one loss at home and are below .500 away. Even Yale is hovering around .500 at home.

I don't think anyone is computing KASA any more, but I wonder how hard it would be for Adam to turn it on for CHN.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: jkahn (---.cust.exede.net)
Date: February 01, 2023 06:36PM

chimpfood
I think it’s time for the pairwise to give more than a 20 percent bonus for away games. If you look around the ncaa this year there are some tremendous differences in home vs away record. Just in the ECAC harvard and Q are undefeated at home, we have one loss at home and are below .500 away. Even Yale is hovering around .500 at home.
It's actually a 50% bonus compared with a home win, since home wins are .8 wins vs. road wins being 1.2. I think that all conference games should just be straight 1.0. Right now, if we were to split with a team while winning at home. it's .8 W and .8L. If we split with a team by winning on the road, it's 1.2W and 1.2L. The extra, .4W and .4L actually brings down the win percentage for any team over .500. It shouldn't matter which way the split happened. I know that in some other conferences teams may play an opponent an odd number of times, but the # of home and road games generally even out for the entire conference schedule The 1.2 W in non-conference helps give teams an incentive to schedule home and road series with opponents like Arizona Stae or Lindenwood,

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 01, 2023 06:44PM

Just. Win.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2023 02:54AM

Why? It is quite literally the only good thing about them
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2023 06:53AM

Trotsky
Why? It is quite literally the only good thing about them

Can we stuff the ballot box for #26?
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 02, 2023 09:39AM

Trotsky
Why? It is quite literally the only good thing about them

The non-gendered alternative is sitting right there! Just like Syracuse has taken to referring to themselves most often as "the Orange," Union can just start referring to themselves as "the Dutch." It's fine. We'll all go on hating them in much the same way as we always have.

Or go with "Garnet" or "Big Garnet." Or the "Chesters."

But what's going to happen is the "branding team" (ugh) is going to come up with some awful "—hawk" alternative and another little piece of distinctive weirdness—not even a bad piece of distinctive weirdness—will fade away.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 02, 2023 11:04AM

Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations. Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:


 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: RichH (140.248.0.---)
Date: February 02, 2023 11:10AM

Trotsky
Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations. Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:


Weird Hans Brinker mascot should have been installed years ago.

Could’ve been a contender to dethrone this:


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2023 11:12AM by RichH.

 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 02, 2023 11:11AM

Scersk '97
But what's going to happen is the "branding team" (ugh) is going to come up with some awful "—hawk" alternative and another little piece of distinctive weirdness—not even a bad piece of distinctive weirdness—will fade away.

All contemporary branding is boring pablum that ages like milk. The only new team image I can think of in the last 30 years that was an improvement is Guardians, because (1) Jesus fuck did you see the old one?, and (2) it has potential for when they really start to exploit the Art Deco theme after ChildWorld (the consumerist aesthetic of the last 30 years) is finally flushed down the toilet.

GenZers, save us. Your parents and grandparents are vacuous idiots with no style.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 02, 2023 11:12AM

RichH
The only thing about this logo that sucks is the aspect ratio, which is even worse than Michigan. Otherwise it's okay.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2023 11:13AM by Trotsky.

 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 02, 2023 11:13AM

Trotsky
Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations. Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:


Are they allowed to call themselves "Orange," or the "Dutch Orange," or the "Orange Dutch, or the "Original Orange," or the "Orange you glad I didn't add a fifth name? Orange"?

After all, Union is Division III in everything but hockey, and Syracuse doesn't have a varsity, D-I hockey team."
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 02, 2023 11:14AM

I don't think you can use Orange anymore because it gives the Catholics a sad or something. I have lost track of whose feewies are hurt by that one.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: RichH (140.248.0.---)
Date: February 02, 2023 11:15AM

Ah, the sad image-linking quirks of a 20 year-old forum code.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: February 02, 2023 11:48AM

Trotsky
Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations. Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:


There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany, but at least you're no longer talking about stupid manufactured branding controversies.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-197-193.myvzw.com)
Date: February 02, 2023 12:08PM

Scersk '97
Trotsky
Why? It is quite literally the only good thing about them

The non-gendered alternative is sitting right there! Just like Syracuse has taken to referring to themselves most often as "the Orange," Union can just start referring to themselves as "the Dutch." It's fine. We'll all go on hating them in much the same way as we always have.

Or go with "Garnet" or "Big Garnet." Or the "Chesters."

But what's going to happen is the "branding team" (ugh) is going to come up with some awful "—hawk" alternative and another little piece of distinctive weirdness—not even a bad piece of distinctive weirdness—will fade away.

Too soon I fear we'll be known as "The Red". Big is such a non-inclusive adjective. Shouldn't we worry that the likes of Topher, Jack O. and Nick D. might take the name as a micro aggression?

Edit: I'd also be fine with "The Big Red Angry Armenians". ;-)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2023 12:11PM by marty.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Give My Regards (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 02, 2023 12:31PM

I think Union should go with "Garnet." Turns out in long-ago time, garnets and other red gemstones were called "carbuncles." This seems very appropriate.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 02, 2023 12:46PM

Beeeej
There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany

The term dates from the 17th century; Das Rhiendick doesn't own it.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: February 02, 2023 12:56PM

Give My Regards
I think Union should go with "Garnet." Turns out in long-ago time, garnets and other red gemstones were called "carbuncles." This seems very appropriate.

According to Union’s website that was linked above, Union once went by “Garnet” before “Dutchmen” was used by the press (whatever press it was that covered Union back in the day I suppose)
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: adamw (---.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
Date: February 02, 2023 03:45PM

jtwcornell91
chimpfood
I think it’s time for the pairwise to give more than a 20 percent bonus for away games. If you look around the ncaa this year there are some tremendous differences in home vs away record. Just in the ECAC harvard and Q are undefeated at home, we have one loss at home and are below .500 away. Even Yale is hovering around .500 at home.

I don't think anyone is computing KASA any more, but I wonder how hard it would be for Adam to turn it on for CHN.

Somewhere it IS on. And JTW - if you ever answered any of my emails, we could discuss a bunch of things. crazy
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2023 03:47PM by adamw.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2023 04:49PM

Beeeej
Trotsky
Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations. Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:


There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany, but at least you're no longer talking about stupid manufactured branding controversies.

There is no plural neuter form in German; it's Die fliegenden Holländer for the Flying Dutchmen in the nominative case. If they are all women, it would be Die fliegenden Holländerinnen.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: French Rage (165.225.243.---)
Date: February 02, 2023 11:58PM

ursusminor
Beeeej
Trotsky
Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations. Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:


There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany, but at least you're no longer talking about stupid manufactured branding controversies.

There is no plural neuter form in German; it's Die fliegenden Holländer for the Flying Dutchmen in the nominative case. If they are all women, it would be Die fliegenden Holländerinnen.

Ah THERE'S the random thread drift I come here for.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: February 03, 2023 03:14PM

French Rage
ursusminor
Beeeej
Trotsky
Skating Dutchmen could be the greatest logo in history if they used their imaginations. Just adapt this to a goddamn skater and you have something spectacular:


There's an easy solution - just go with Das Fliegende Holländers, in the plural neuter form.

Of course then you have to have a conversation about Wagner's desire to drive the Jews out of Germany, but at least you're no longer talking about stupid manufactured branding controversies.

There is no plural neuter form in German; it's Die fliegenden Holländer for the Flying Dutchmen in the nominative case. If they are all women, it would be Die fliegenden Holländerinnen.

Ah THERE'S the random thread drift I come here for.

Damn, he beat me to it. But I can add "die fliegenden Holländer*innen" which is how it would usually be written these days.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 03:51PM

importantly, we must stamp our feet whenever anyone indicates an interest in moving past an ethnic team name because anyone who cares more than me is a scold. at the same time, anyone who cares less than me is a bigot. also, brands are stupid, except for THIS brand, which i don't care about except that i've decided to adopt a principle that means i care about it A LOT.

 
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: February 03, 2023 04:05PM

ugarte
importantly, we must stamp our feet whenever anyone indicates an interest in moving past an ethnic team name because anyone who cares more than me is a scold. at the same time, anyone who cares less than me is a bigot. also, brands are stupid, except for THIS brand, which i don't care about except that i've decided to adopt a principle that means i care about it A LOT.

Okay folks, that's all for eLynah. No post will ever be better. G'night!

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 05:49PM

Beeeej
ugarte
importantly, we must stamp our feet whenever anyone indicates an interest in moving past an ethnic team name because anyone who cares more than me is a scold. at the same time, anyone who cares less than me is a bigot. also, brands are stupid, except for THIS brand, which i don't care about except that i've decided to adopt a principle that means i care about it A LOT.

Okay folks, that's all for eLynah. No post will ever be better. G'night!
A rant in search of a strawman that nobody has posted, but, it hammers the one note we all can reach.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 06:11PM

you don't have to respond every time but if you do, so will i! the only one-note being played is "everything is too woke!" sorry if you thought the joke was about you. it was only *in part* about you.

 

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2023 06:12PM by ugarte.

 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 06:33PM

ugarte
you don't have to respond every time but if you do, so will i! the only one-note being played is "everything is too woke!"

None of this is about being woke, but as a man with only a hammer go to it, lad. You can't lose. AFAIK, the Catholics *did* squeal about references to the Orangemen. If it's "woke" to object to a bunch of white Brits acting offended then the term which was about recognizing systemic racism and police brutality has lost all meaning.

I see somebody who calls people out but woe betide anyone does it back.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2023 06:41PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 06:46PM

Trotsky
ugarte
you don't have to respond every time but if you do, so will i! the only one-note being played is "everything is too woke!"

None of this is about being woke, but as a man with only a hammer go to it, lad. You can't lose.
you're the one talking about "feewings"! listen to yourself! you said you can't keep track of who was offended but now apparently you know damn well who, because you sure didn't sound like you were taking the Catholics' side before! Maybe you need a refresher on which side the Brits are in the whole green/orange thing.

in all of this your biggest crime is the self-delusion that it's other people lacking a sense of humor when it's your joke-writing that's the biggest offense. i may be a hammer, but i work because you're a nail.

 

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2023 06:49PM by ugarte.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 06:50PM

ugarte
Trotsky
ugarte
you don't have to respond every time but if you do, so will i! the only one-note being played is "everything is too woke!"

None of this is about being woke, but as a man with only a hammer go to it, lad. You can't lose.
you're the one talking about "feewings"!
My mistake. You have a hammer and a shovel.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2023 06:51PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 07:02PM

Trotsky
ugarte
Trotsky
ugarte
you don't have to respond every time but if you do, so will i! the only one-note being played is "everything is too woke!"

None of this is about being woke, but as a man with only a hammer go to it, lad. You can't lose.
you're the one talking about "feewings"!
My mistake. You have a hammer and a shovel.
my bad

 

 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: February 03, 2023 08:30PM

Word is that with 2.8 seconds left in the 2nd period and down 1-0, Colgate pulled its goalie with a faceoff in the Union zone. Union won the faceoff and a shot down the ice hit the Colgate net with 0.3 seconds left, leaving Union up 2-0 after 2.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ugarte (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 08:35PM

scoop85
Word is that with 2.8 seconds left in the 2nd period and down 1-0, Colgate pulled its goalie with a faceoff in the Union zone. Union won the faceoff and a shot down the ice hit the Colgate net with 0.3 seconds left, leaving Union up 2-0 after 2.
well... lol

 
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 08:58PM

scoop85
Word is that with 2.8 seconds left in the 2nd period and down 1-0, Colgate pulled its goalie with a faceoff in the Union zone. Union won the faceoff and a shot down the ice hit the Colgate net with 0.3 seconds left, leaving Union up 2-0 after 2.
Woof.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 08:58PM

ugarte
scoop85
Word is that with 2.8 seconds left in the 2nd period and down 1-0, Colgate pulled its goalie with a faceoff in the Union zone. Union won the faceoff and a shot down the ice hit the Colgate net with 0.3 seconds left, leaving Union up 2-0 after 2.
well... lol

Lousy camerawork, but
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2023 09:03PM

The official box score currently lists the goal scored at 19:60.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: February 03, 2023 09:58PM

ugarte
importantly, we must stamp our feet whenever anyone indicates an interest in moving past an ethnic team name because anyone who cares more than me is a scold. at the same time, anyone who cares less than me is a bigot. also, brands are stupid, except for THIS brand, which i don't care about except that i've decided to adopt a principle that means i care about it A LOT.

Having punished myself by reading their FAQ, it seems like the objection is not that it's an ethnic name, but that somebody other than them made it up, which sort of fits in with the idea that this is an opportunity for a branding exercise, which universities love so much. Of course, the FAQ itself mentions wokeness in an attempt to generate backlash to any backlash. ("Isn't this just a bunch of woke liberals yada yada" = "Isn't anyone who thinks this isn't a good idea just complaining about woke liberals"; it's a bad-faith attempt to characterize opposition as bad-faith culture warriors.)

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: French Rage (165.225.243.---)
Date: February 04, 2023 12:23AM

This is more attention than we should ever be paying to Union given we're past that one random four year stretch where they were ever relevant in anything.

 
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Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-231-53.myvzw.com)
Date: February 04, 2023 04:46AM

French Rage
This is more attention than we should ever be paying to Union given we're past that one random four year stretch where they were ever relevant in anything.

The team better pay them attention tonight. They beat RPI 6-0 in the non-league Mayor's Cup last Saturday.
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Robb (---.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net)
Date: February 04, 2023 09:17AM

Skating SchenectadIans.

Just rolls off the tongue….
 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 04, 2023 11:11AM

They should be able to do something with The Electric City.


 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 04, 2023 11:14AM

I knew about GE but TIL:


 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 04, 2023 11:18AM

Amazing industrial porn:


 
Re: Opponents and Others, 2022-23
Posted by: chimpfood (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 04, 2023 11:20AM

Would someone mind reminding me? For conference tournaments and the ncaa tournament does it follow the same regular season way of 5 minutes of 3x3 OT then a shootout or is it 5x5 OT periods until there’s a winner?
 
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