Opponents and Others, 2022-23

BearLover
In my opinion, it is disgraceful that a totally random school no one has ever heard of with zero hockey tradition and zero academic standards went division 1 like 25 years ago and surpassed the Cornell hockey program. It was demoralizing when Yale and Union won, too.

marty

BearLover
In my opinion, it is disgraceful that a totally random school no one has ever heard of with zero hockey tradition and zero academic standards went division 1 like 25 years ago and surpassed the Cornell hockey program. It was demoralizing when Yale and Union won, too.

Hope you enjoyed a first round draft pick win the OT game and Clay Mouth-man overlook our 1 goal loss.

BL, I hope you enjoy mowing your lawn this summer and if there's one thing I'm not looking forward to next fall...

BearLover

Scersk '97

BearLover
Quinnipiac has now made the frozen four three times since the last time Cornell did. What a disgrace.

And between 1980 and 2003, Harvard made it five times and won a championship. And between 2003 and now, Union made it twice, and Harvard and Yale made it once each, and Yale and Union won championships. And there was a once a stretch in which the ECAC very rarely had more than two teams in the tournament, and two times (2001 and 2004) we only had one. This year we had four, and we recently commonly get three, with 2021 as an obvious aberration.

So, what exactly is your point? It's not an exact fucking science. There are ups and downs. But in no way is how this program has performed at any time during Schafer's tenure a disgrace. I loved the team when I was in school; we play much better hockey at a consistently higher level now. I would have loved for us to win a championship when I was young, but it was a pipe dream; it's basically never a pipe dream now.

I only engage because your analysis in other situations warrants it. Go touch some grass and get some fucking perspective.

(And anyway, QU was lucky to escape that one. I expect them to get blasted at the Frozen Four.)

In my opinion, it is disgraceful that a totally random school no one has ever heard of with zero hockey tradition and zero academic standards went division 1 like 25 years ago and surpassed the Cornell hockey program. It was demoralizing when Yale and Union won, too.

BearLover
Meanwhile, Clarkson is getting wrecked by the transfer portal.

I wish the Harvard players who left the best in the NHL, always root for them. That said, I don't understand how a player like Coronato can make it in the NHL. He took a big hit against Princeton in the ECAC playoffs, afterwards didn't go into the corners or dig. Has not looked like the same players since, gun-shy and gets testy with contact. How will he survive in the NHL?

Myself, I wish Harvard would recruit players who are not as flashy, but good solid workers, who are committed to the team rather than their own careers after playing a few years. The kind of players the Cornells recruit.

Trotsky
From the Harvard team thread on USCHO:

I wish the Harvard players who left the best in the NHL, always root for them. That said, I don't understand how a player like Coronato can make it in the NHL. He took a big hit against Princeton in the ECAC playoffs, afterwards didn't go into the corners or dig. Has not looked like the same players since, gun-shy and gets testy with contact. How will he survive in the NHL?

Myself, I wish Harvard would recruit players who are not as flashy, but good solid workers, who are committed to the team rather than their own careers after playing a few years. The kind of players the Cornells recruit.

Trotsky

BearLover
Meanwhile, Clarkson is getting wrecked by the transfer portal.

I know they lost players but were they good players?

BearLover

Trotsky
From the Harvard team thread on USCHO:

I wish the Harvard players who left the best in the NHL, always root for them. That said, I don't understand how a player like Coronato can make it in the NHL. He took a big hit against Princeton in the ECAC playoffs, afterwards didn't go into the corners or dig. Has not looked like the same players since, gun-shy and gets testy with contact. How will he survive in the NHL?

Myself, I wish Harvard would recruit players who are not as flashy, but good solid workers, who are committed to the team rather than their own careers after playing a few years. The kind of players the Cornells recruit.

Wow. The Harvard hockey version of me.

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover
Meanwhile, Clarkson is getting wrecked by the transfer portal.

I know they lost players but were they good players?

Clarkson players in the portal include Ethan Haider (starting goalie and fifth round draft pick) and Alex Campbell (one of Clarkson’s leading scorers and third round draft pick, who is transferring to Northeastern).

abmarks

BearLover

Trotsky
From the Harvard team thread on USCHO:

I wish the Harvard players who left the best in the NHL, always root for them. That said, I don't understand how a player like Coronato can make it in the NHL. He took a big hit against Princeton in the ECAC playoffs, afterwards didn't go into the corners or dig. Has not looked like the same players since, gun-shy and gets testy with contact. How will he survive in the NHL?

Myself, I wish Harvard would recruit players who are not as flashy, but good solid workers, who are committed to the team rather than their own careers after playing a few years. The kind of players the Cornells recruit.

Wow. The Harvard hockey version of me.

Now if only there were a trading window for forum-posters.

Trotsky

abmarks

BearLover

Trotsky
From the Harvard team thread on USCHO:

I wish the Harvard players who left the best in the NHL, always root for them. That said, I don't understand how a player like Coronato can make it in the NHL. He took a big hit against Princeton in the ECAC playoffs, afterwards didn't go into the corners or dig. Has not looked like the same players since, gun-shy and gets testy with contact. How will he survive in the NHL?

Myself, I wish Harvard would recruit players who are not as flashy, but good solid workers, who are committed to the team rather than their own careers after playing a few years. The kind of players the Cornells recruit.

Wow. The Harvard hockey version of me.

Now if only there were a trading window for forum-posters.

Trust me on this: we do not want any of the folks who post to the Harvard USCHO thread. BearLover is Foster Hewitt compared to them.

adamw
Clarkson also already got one player in from the portal. The Alex Campbell one I don't get - the others are no big deal. Haider wasn't that great.

adamw
Clarkson also already got one player in from the portal. The Alex Campbell one I don't get - the others are no big deal. Haider wasn't that great.

ursusminor
Jack Malone entered the portal.

ursusminor
Jack Malone entered the portal.

Swamp Rabbit Moving Transaction: We have signed former @UVMmhockey defenseman Joe Leahy to an ECHL contract.

Details➡️ [t.co]#OurStompingGround pic.twitter.com/FCkU6wH270

— Greenville Swamp Rabbits (@SwampRabbits) March 16, 2023

BearLover
Teams across the country are announcing that seniors will be coming back for their graduate season. For example, Minnesota-Duluth just announced that three NHL draft pick seniors and key contributors will be returning for a fifth year. Meanwhile, a team like BC coming off of a disappointing season can recognize it is short a player on defense and pull a top fifth year player out of the portal. Cornell and the Ivies are at a huge disadvantage here.

I actually think the transfer portal may indirectly help the Ivies going forward. Players move so freely now in large part because they do not value getting a degree at their current school. Ivies have an advantage where it is much harder to justify leaving school and giving up the degree. We may not get many/any transfers, but at least we will retain the players we do have and not see mass defections like at Clarkson, Union, etc.

But first we need to make it through the next two years, the final couple of seasons of fifth year COVID eligibility. We will be at a huge disadvantage until then, but at that time I think things will even out.

ChatGPT
Sure! Here's a shorter and more concise version of the essay:

"Seniors returning for their graduate season is impacting college teams. Some teams benefit while others, like Cornell and the Ivies, are disadvantaged. The transfer portal may help the Ivies as players value their degrees and are less likely to leave. The Ivies will be disadvantaged for two years due to COVID eligibility but things will even out after that."

abmarks

BearLover
Teams across the country are announcing that seniors will be coming back for their graduate season. For example, Minnesota-Duluth just announced that three NHL draft pick seniors and key contributors will be returning for a fifth year. Meanwhile, a team like BC coming off of a disappointing season can recognize it is short a player on defense and pull a top fifth year player out of the portal. Cornell and the Ivies are at a huge disadvantage here.

I actually think the transfer portal may indirectly help the Ivies going forward. Players move so freely now in large part because they do not value getting a degree at their current school. Ivies have an advantage where it is much harder to justify leaving school and giving up the degree. We may not get many/any transfers, but at least we will retain the players we do have and not see mass defections like at Clarkson, Union, etc.

But first we need to make it through the next two years, the final couple of seasons of fifth year COVID eligibility. We will be at a huge disadvantage until then, but at that time I think things will even out.

Even ChatGPT thinks you are long-winded.

ChatGPT
Sure! Here's a shorter and more concise version of the essay:

"Seniors returning for their graduate season is impacting college teams. Some teams benefit while others, like Cornell and the Ivies, are disadvantaged. The transfer portal may help the Ivies as players value their degrees and are less likely to leave. The Ivies will be disadvantaged for two years due to COVID eligibility but things will even out after that."

BearLover

abmarks

BearLover
Teams across the country are announcing that seniors will be coming back for their graduate season. For example, Minnesota-Duluth just announced that three NHL draft pick seniors and key contributors will be returning for a fifth year. Meanwhile, a team like BC coming off of a disappointing season can recognize it is short a player on defense and pull a top fifth year player out of the portal. Cornell and the Ivies are at a huge disadvantage here.

I actually think the transfer portal may indirectly help the Ivies going forward. Players move so freely now in large part because they do not value getting a degree at their current school. Ivies have an advantage where it is much harder to justify leaving school and giving up the degree. We may not get many/any transfers, but at least we will retain the players we do have and not see mass defections like at Clarkson, Union, etc.

But first we need to make it through the next two years, the final couple of seasons of fifth year COVID eligibility. We will be at a huge disadvantage until then, but at that time I think things will even out.

Even ChatGPT thinks you are long-winded.

ChatGPT
Sure! Here's a shorter and more concise version of the essay:

"Seniors returning for their graduate season is impacting college teams. Some teams benefit while others, like Cornell and the Ivies, are disadvantaged. The transfer portal may help the Ivies as players value their degrees and are less likely to leave. The Ivies will be disadvantaged for two years due to COVID eligibility but things will even out after that."

Thanks for this completely needless post which serves absolutely no purpose other than to insult me

BearLover
Teams across the country are announcing that seniors will be coming back for their graduate season. For example, Minnesota-Duluth just announced that three NHL draft pick seniors and key contributors will be returning for a fifth year. Meanwhile, a team like BC coming off of a disappointing season can recognize it is short a player on defense and pull a top fifth year player out of the portal. Cornell and the Ivies are at a huge disadvantage here.

I actually think the transfer portal may indirectly help the Ivies going forward. Players move so freely now in large part because they do not value getting a degree at their current school. Ivies have an advantage where it is much harder to justify leaving school and giving up the degree. We may not get many/any transfers, but at least we will retain the players we do have and not see mass defections like at Clarkson, Union, etc.

But first we need to make it through the next two years, the final couple of seasons of fifth year COVID eligibility. We will be at a huge disadvantage until then, but at that time I think things will even out.

Dafatone

ursusminor
Jack Malone entered the portal.

Can I just say I love this terminology? Very foreboding sci-fi vibe.

Trotsky

Dafatone

ursusminor
Jack Malone entered the portal.

Can I just say I love this terminology? Very foreboding sci-fi vibe.

il_570xN.2477530563_h99x.jpg

Trotsky
This Mean Girls shit is making me sympathize with BearLover. Please stop; there was nothing wrong with that particular post.

Trotsky

Dafatone

ursusminor
Jack Malone entered the portal.

Can I just say I love this terminology? Very foreboding sci-fi vibe.

il_570xN.2477530563_h99x.jpg

iowabasedtraveler;n3803193
From the 'More Questions than it Answers' Department...

Josh Hewitt on the Big Ten Hockey Facebook page posted a graphic of expenditures of NCAA D-1 MIH programs.

Here are a couple...

1., North Dakota, $5,453,864,
2., Minnesota, $5,269,203,
3., Notre Dame, $5,198,263
4., Michigan, $4,464,256,
5., Boston College, $4,360,627,

21., Quinnipiac, $3,029,101,
23., Clarkson, $2,630,662,
25., RPI, $2,563,477,
27., Saint Lawrence, $2,547,264,
31., Colgate, $2,423,063,
38., Yale, $2,073,478,
41., Cornell, $1,990,819,
51., Harvard, $1,374,610,
52., Brown, $1,363,881,
53., Dartmouth, $1,353,890,
56., Princeton, $1,133,425,
57., Union, $1,049,322.

From me, "I see 57 programs listed. What was the last year that NCAA had 57 men's D-1 ice hockey programs? If it is more current than that, what programs are not included (and why)? More specifically, what year does it supposedly represent? And what exactly goes into those numbers? Thanks."

From Josh, "It’s all the schools that have the records for expenses for the Men’s hockey program available and includes all expenditures for the program. Salaries, rink maintenance, travel, etc….
GopherPuckLive periodically puts together an article to compare where Minnesota is compared to the rest of college hockey. Here is an article from 2018 as an example with additional info."

"[URL="[url]https://gopherpucklive.com/minnesota-ranks-second-for-ncaa-mens-hockey-revenue/?fbclid=IwAR06UuQgxG8Xi-ZxLM81SS3TLAzpPfZtG-Z-9jeVqkusnmsk9SV-pHK7R64"[/url];]https://gopherpucklive.com/minnesota-ranks-second-for.../[/URL]

"The data I posted above is for this season. I don’t know if he is going to put together an article with further breakdown or not, but you should probably be able to find the data for your program in public records."

While I still question a lot about the specifics of this ranking, it probably does fairly accurately show the basic differences between the expenditures of the Big Ten (and other) conference programs and those of the ECAC Hockey conference.

upprdeck
pretty big jump from the bottom 5 ivys to Cornell/Yale.. I mean why is Harvard able to spend 600K less? I doubt it salaries? But if you add Scholie cost to the Ivy schools they jump to the top 25 most likely .

Also How does ND spend 3-4x times as much. Is that arena that expensive to run or is it all travel cost and coaching?

Beeeej
and Harvard wouldn't count whatever their men's hockey endowment covers.

Brown
$1,363,881  Expenditures cited
    10,900  2022-23 home attendance calculated
      $125  Expenditure per fan per game 

upprdeck
lots of unknowns in the costs. There are endowed costs built into things besides coaches.. many of the new buildings have endowed maintenance costs built into them as well.

Martha Pollock, 2022
We just don’t have the money right now. We don’t have tens of millions of dollars or a donor, or frankly a place on campus to put it.

If I had tens of millions of dollars,” she said, “I would be putting it towards salaries, not towards pools.

Trotsky
Been three days and no Q early departure. Among the fun choices:

Yani Perets, Jr goalie
Colin Graf, Fr (58 points)
Sam Lipkin, Fr (43)
Jacob Quillian, So (38)

Trotsky
Been three days and no Q early departure. Among the fun choices:

Yani Perets, Jr goalie
Colin Graf, Fr (58 points)
Sam Lipkin, Fr (43)
Jacob Quillian, So (38)

Trotsky
Been three days and no Q early departure. Among the fun choices:

Yani Perets, Jr goalie
Colin Graf, Fr (58 points)
Sam Lipkin, Fr (43)
Jacob Quillian, So (38)

“I chose Union because of the excellent academics along with it being a great hockey program with a winning tradition. The small school size appealed to me. When I visited the campus and met the coaches, I knew Union was the place for me.“

Iceberg
Apparently Brown's starting goalie Caron is in the transfer portal and BU is coming up quite a bit as a potential landing spot

arugula
How about coming to Cornell? Caron is excellent.

arugula

Iceberg
Apparently Brown's starting goalie Caron is in the transfer portal and BU is coming up quite a bit as a potential landing spot

How about coming to Cornell? Caron is excellent.

BearLover
Cornell has three goalies already.

Trotsky

BearLover
Cornell has three goalies already.

And another (Katz) coming in Fall '24 to replace McInchak.

We're set in net, and in Shane's senior year we will actually have 3 potential #1 goaltenders competing.

Trotsky

BearLover
Cornell has three goalies already.

And another (Katz) coming in Fall '24 to replace McInchak.

We're set in net, and in Shane's senior year we will actually have 3 potential #1 goaltenders competing.

scoop85
Q’s Yanni Peretz has signed with Carolina, foregoing his last two years of eligibility.

BREAKING: Binghamton University Athletic Director Gene Marshall tells me that the school is planning to add both men's ice hockey and women's field hockey as soon as the 2024-2025 Academic Year. pic.twitter.com/mG1Gn8P3W6

— Ian Mills (@IanMillsTV) April 12, 2023

billhoward

scoop85
Q’s Yanni Peretz has signed with Carolina, foregoing his last two years of eligibility.

And cutting short a promising music career.

(Jesus, that's the kind of typing glitch I would be guilty of.)

ugarte
New opponent coming?

Trotsky

ugarte
New opponent coming?

Utica, too.

Empire League might be pretty good in a few years:

Army
Binghamton
Canisius
Cornell
Clarkson
Colgate
Niagara
RIT
RPI
St. Lawrence
Union
Utica

ursusminor

Trotsky

ugarte
New opponent coming?

Utica, too.

Empire League might be pretty good in a few years:

Army
Binghamton
Canisius
Cornell
Clarkson
Colgate
Niagara
RIT
RPI
St. Lawrence
Union
Utica

LIU?

Trotsky

ugarte
New opponent coming?

Utica, too.

Empire League might be pretty good in a few years:

Army
Binghamton
Canisius
Cornell
Clarkson
Colgate
Niagara
RIT
RPI
St. Lawrence
Union
Utica

Trotsky

ugarte
New opponent coming?

Utica, too.

Empire League might be pretty good in a few years:

Army
Binghamton
Canisius
Cornell
Clarkson
Colgate
Niagara
RIT
RPI
St. Lawrence


Union
Utica

Binghamton sports
Men's sports	Women's sports
Baseball	Basketball
Basketball	Cross country
Cross country	Lacrosse
Golf	        Soccer
Lacrosse	Softball
Soccer	        Swimming & diving
Swimming-diving	Tennis
Tennis	        Track and field
Track & field	Volleyball
Wrestling

billhoward
You're not thinking Union might at some point fall back to a simpler hockey program?

Trotsky

billhoward
You're not thinking Union might at some point fall back to a simpler hockey program?

Not unless there is a scandal. That national championship was amazing for them and it will keep the program going for the next century. They are RPI Nouveau.

arugula
Much as I love CU sports, I agree with President Pollak's sentiment. Hockey, at least, is somewhat financially self sustaining and it's more important that academic functions get funded properly. I wonder how much could be raised from outside money for a new rink, though I personally would prefer a renovation, making Lynah spiffy and up to date with all the modern amenities whhich may draw players, but still the feel of the barn. MSG, as much as I despise the Dolans, got it right. It is modern and spiffy, but still has the iconic ceiling and other aesthetic aspects to make you think that, yes, this is the Garden.

Trotsky
"Once we entered the City like lions. Now we scurry in like rats."

Trotsky
I had no idea MSG's lease expires this year.

Dynamite it and rebuild the old station.

dbilmes
I don't know how good any of these players are, but Q has already landed 4 players from the transfer portal.

Portal Pick Ups (Grad):

Brn 1
Cgt 1
Clk 3
Qpc 4
RPI 3 (2)
SLU 1 (1)
Uni 1

dbilmes
I don't know how good any of these players are, but Q has already landed 4 players from the transfer portal.

Trotsky

dbilmes
I don't know how good any of these players are, but Q has already landed 4 players from the transfer portal.

Portal Pick Ups (Grad):

Brn 1
Cgt 1
Clk 3
Qpc 4
RPI 3 (2)
SLU 1 (1)
Uni 1

ursusminor

Trotsky

dbilmes
I don't know how good any of these players are, but Q has already landed 4 players from the transfer portal.

Portal Pick Ups (Grad):

Brn 1
Cgt 1
Clk 3
Qpc 4
RPI 3 (2)
SLU 1 (1)
Uni 1

Who is RPI's third besides for Brushett and Regula? Are you counting former UVM player Dovar Tinling who is playing this year in the BCHL?

Trotsky

ursusminor

Trotsky

dbilmes
I don't know how good any of these players are, but Q has already landed 4 players from the transfer portal.

Portal Pick Ups (Grad):

Brn 1
Cgt 1
Clk 3
Qpc 4
RPI 3 (2)
SLU 1 (1)
Uni 1

Who is RPI's third besides for Brushett and Regula? Are you counting former UVM player Dovar Tinling who is playing this year in the BCHL?

Yes. Also, Dovar Tinling is a cool name.

BearLover
Want to know what sets Pecknold apart from other ECAC coaches? Zero loyalty to his own players. Q had three goalies on the roster this season, all underclassmen. Perets signs an NHL deal, so down to two goalies on next season’s roster. But Q has a highly regarded goalie recruit coming in, so back up to three. Except, Pecknold isn’t content to let his current/incoming goalies fight it out for the starting role. He goes to the transfer portal and adds BU’s backup goalie. Now with four goalies slated to be on the roster next year, one of the existing goalies no longer has a spot. End result: Chase Clark, Capitals draft pick and backup Q goalie from this past season, has entered the transfer portal.

kingpin248
Don Vaughan retires.

(CHN story.)

kingpin248
Don Vaughan retires.

(CHN story.)

From the Release
One of Vaughan's most impressive achievements was leading the program to the ECAC Hockey tournament on a near-annual basis. In his three decades at the helm, Colgate made 27 appearances in the playoffs and reached the ECAC championship weekend on 14 occasions.

coz

From the Release
One of Vaughan's most impressive achievements was leading the program to the ECAC Hockey tournament on a near-annual basis. In his three decades at the helm, Colgate made 27 appearances in the playoffs and reached the ECAC championship weekend on 14 occasions.

Not exactly the most impressive stat.

coz

From the Release
One of Vaughan's most impressive achievements was leading the program to the ECAC Hockey tournament on a near-annual basis. In his three decades at the helm, Colgate made 27 appearances in the playoffs and reached the ECAC championship weekend on 14 occasions.

Not exactly the most impressive stat.

Give My Regards
Vaughan is a member of a pretty exclusive club. Only six Div. I coaches have put up more than 500 losses (according to this chart), and only Vaughan and Ferris State's Bob Daniels, who was hired the same year, have done so at one school.

coz

From the Release
One of Vaughan's most impressive achievements was leading the program to the ECAC Hockey tournament on a near-annual basis. In his three decades at the helm, Colgate made 27 appearances in the playoffs and reached the ECAC championship weekend on 14 occasions.

Not exactly the most impressive stat.

dbilmes
Pecknold will now have the locker room named after him and his wife as a result of the largest alumni donation in history of Q athletics.