Dartmouth Game Thread

Not taking any chances!

the notes say the 2 harvard kids are meeting with the US team a few days before they leave to go to China.. They leave the US around the 3rd.. So odds are they play against us unless the team really wants to get more than a couple practices in

upprdeck
the notes say the 2 harvard kids are meeting with the US team a few days before they leave to go to China.. They leave the US around the 3rd.. So odds are they play against us unless the team really wants to get more than a couple practices in

Isn't there any type of pre-travel quarrantine period for the olympians before going over to China in order to ensure a negative covid test? I know the olympians will be essentially in an air tight bubble once in china...

Rita
Isn't there any type of pre-travel quarrantine period for the olympians before going over to China in order to ensure a negative covid test? I know the olympians will be essentially in an air tight bubble once in china...

Are you asking, "You mean the rules apply to Harvard?"

Rita

upprdeck
the notes say the 2 harvard kids are meeting with the US team a few days before they leave to go to China.. They leave the US around the 3rd.. So odds are they play against us unless the team really wants to get more than a couple practices in

Isn't there any type of pre-travel quarrantine period for the olympians before going over to China in order to ensure a negative covid test? I know the olympians will be essentially in an air tight bubble once in china...

found this the notes for the teams

During the fourteen days prior to your departure for China, try to avoid travel, wear a
Face Mask when you aren’t sleeping, eating, drinking, or exercising, make every effort to
physically distance at least 6 feet from other people and keep your physical contact with
other people to a minimum.

then this

The second test
should be performed within 72 hours of departure by a testing provider approved
by the Chinese Embassy/Consulate in the US departure city.

there is 21 day quarantine rule as well if you dont get exempted.

one would think playing in practice and games a few days out from leaving would not be advised but probably not prohibited.

Dartmouth plays Union two days before they come to Ithaca.

Harvard plays RPI on 1/25/2022.

So CU made no changes to ticket policies.. when was the last time a harvard game had less than 50% filled seats?

upprdeck
So CU made no changes to ticket policies.. when was the last time a harvard game had less than 50% filled seats?

There's a Crimson fan board [yeah, oxymoron] probably asking when a Cornell game at Landry-Bright Center had more than 50%. I didn't realize it had 3,095 seats. Thought it was more like 2500.

Stienberg back, Berard still in the lineup, only Andreev out.

Mike is still out. That's 4 weekends.

Trotsky
Mike is still out. That's 4 weekends.

Very worrisome.

upprdeck
So CU made no changes to ticket policies.. when was the last time a harvard game had less than 50% filled seats?

My guess is 1960-61. Typical attendance that season still seems very low. In 1961-62 Laing Kennedy backstopped us to our big coming out victory over Harvard in front of 4200, IINM our first sellout.

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky
Mike is still out. That's 4 weekends.

Very worrisome.

It aint good. Only good news is I haven't heard anything really scary from the backchannel so hopefully it's minor and they are being careful with protocol.

I mean I assume he's triple-vaxxed.

Trotsky
Mike is still out. That's 4 weekends.

When Schafer’s game notes from last weekend were posted earlier on the CHA website earlier this week week, they included a comment to the effect (I’m paraphrasing) “I’ve had a rough go with COVID, you should try to avoid it.” FWIW that comment is no longer there.

Even behind we're looking good so far.

Nice shift by Stienberg there. He looks better tonight.

Every time an announcer says “twig,” a puppy dies. So far, not today, I believe. I hope.

Resurrection is possible, if they immediately say Quinni-PEE-yak.

Stienburg does look full speed and is going Stienburg things.

That's the second period where Syer paired Kempf-Haiskenan to start even though that is not the pair during the rest of the period.

Ondrej the Giant is becoming my favorite penalty killer.

Andreev hustles, O'Leary is fast, and Mack is quick, but Ertel hustles, is fast, and is quick.

We’re halfway through the game. What does AWS stats say about the odds it ends up 1–0?

get pucks to the net and good things happen

billhoward
We’re halfway through the game. What does AWS stats say about the odds it ends up 1–0?

Now. Zero.

ugarte
get pucks to the net and good things happen

Tale as old as time.

New coach. Same aggravating Dartmouth team.

I think maybe the shots are broken, because according to them SOG in that period were Cornell 7 and Dartmouth 0. And Dartmouth scored.

Due to the faceoff differential, there is a lot of utility in this game to delivering the puck to the opposing goalie if in a disadvantaged offensive position. Sometimes we concentrate too much on possessing the puck, particularly toward the end of shifts.

Just flipping the puck on net does that too, at the same time as creating chaos.

I.e., shoot more!

scoop85

Trotsky
Mike is still out. That's 4 weekends.

When Schafer’s game notes from last weekend were posted earlier on the CHA website earlier this week week, they included a comment to the effect (I’m paraphrasing) “I’ve had a rough go with COVID, you should try to avoid it.” FWIW that comment is no longer there.

It was in the Yale game report. Still there in bold. [www.cornellhockeyassociation.com]

David Harding

scoop85

Trotsky
Mike is still out. That's 4 weekends.

When Schafer’s game notes from last weekend were posted earlier on the CHA website earlier this week week, they included a comment to the effect (I’m paraphrasing) “I’ve had a rough go with COVID, you should try to avoid it.” FWIW that comment is no longer there.

It was in the Yale game report. Still there in bold. [www.cornellhockeyassociation.com]

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Now we know what he actually said. If he is in fact boosted, he seems to be having a rougher time of it than the other boosted people who’ve gotten infected since Omicron came on the scene.

Pierce off the ice, take advantage!

Best pp I've seen where we didn't score.

5th pp; gotta make this count. We are 75% at the dot.

These refs are not very good.

we aren't losing because of the refs. we are losing because our positioning in the offensive zone is incoherent and our without andreev our puckhandling is tentative and sloppy enough that everyone we play feels comfortable crowding and harassing our guys up and down the ice.

ugarte
we aren't losing because of the refs. we are losing because our positioning in the offensive zone is incoherent and our without andreev our puckhandling is tentative and sloppy enough that everyone we play feels comfortable crowding and harassing our guys up and down the ice.

Sure, but I can deal with the scoreboard. I don't like watching Dartmouth dump guys left and right without repercussions.

Why even play them? Take two losses and keep our players safe.

nice to get the goal but another home game going to OT against a bad team. brutal.

ugarte
nice to get the goal but another home game going to OT against a bad team. brutal.

losing my mind at how often we simply fumble the puck or lose an edge

ugarte

ugarte
nice to get the goal but another home game going to OT against a bad team. brutal.

losing my mind at how often we simply fumble the puck or lose an edge

Fumbled pucks by us I’ve seen plenty. Guys repeatedly losing their edge is not the norm.

wow, cornell shootout is atrocious.

Shootouts are by definition a clown show, as is overtime. I hate this anti-climactic crap.

blackwidow
wow, cornell shootout is atrocious.

We won our first four.

Trotsky

blackwidow
wow, cornell shootout is atrocious.

We won our first four.

Sure, then what

hurts to lose a game where you basically allow 10 shots on goal.

upprdeck
hurts to lose a game where you basically allow 10 shots on goal.

We tied.

Jim Hyla

Trotsky

blackwidow
wow, cornell shootout is atrocious.

We won our first four.

Sure, then what

Regression?

It's amazing how different this year's team looks without Andreev. However, there was no reason this game should've been close. Teams seem to have a book on Cornell now

Iceberg
It's amazing how different this year's team looks without Andreev. However, there was no reason this game should've been close. Teams seem to have a book on Cornell now

Agreed that the team misses what Andreev brings. But I think Dartmouth’s book tonight was “let’s sit back, the Cornell guys will fall down repeatedly for no apparent reason, and when they shoot they’ll either miss the net or put it into Stevenson’s breadbasket.”

Riddle me this. At 11:30 pm after all the games were final, we were 21 in PWR. Now we’re 19. Thoughts?

Iceberg
It's amazing how different this year's team looks without Andreev. However, there was no reason this game should've been close. Teams seem to have a book on Cornell now

Shots on Goal, 32-13
Faceoffs, 40-20

I'd say we win that game outright 85% of the time.

Trotsky

upprdeck
hurts to lose a game where you basically allow 10 shots on goal.

We tied.

you think they kids think they tied

Dafatone
Sure, but I can deal with the scoreboard. I don't like watching Dartmouth dump guys left and right without repercussions.

It certainly did seem Dartmouth was taking an inordinate number of runs at Stienburg. Either they were trying to reinjure him or he's just the kind of player that inspires that kind of attention. Probably a little of both. They took penalties; there could have been more.

So, as was said above, Cashman Dartmouth is so very similar to Gaudet Dartmouth.

Scersk '97
So, as was said above, Cashman Dartmouth is so very similar to Gaudet Dartmouth.

It's going to take more to convince. Cashman was one of my all-time favorite opponents even though he played for Queef.

scoop85
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Now we know what he actually said. If he is in fact boosted, he seems to be having a rougher time of it than the other boosted people who’ve gotten infected since Omicron came on the scene.

I don't want to speculate too much, but it's entirely possible he picked up Delta instead of Omicron, considering the timing, direction of travel, and seemingly more difficult road with COVID. The only places where Omicron is starting to loosen up definitively are around the initial outbreak centers in sufficiently vaccinated areas, i.e., Washington DC and Maryland, the NYC area, and, curiously, Cleveland. So, considering how waves spread, North Dakota seems like one of the last places Omicron would have made it to. According to the NYTimes page for North Dakota, their Omicron spike started around 12/28/21; for Arizona, their spike started around the same time.

That all being said, OSC (ongoing symptomatic COVID) is diagnosed at four weeks and post-COVID-19 syndrome ("long hauling," informally) at twelve weeks, so Schafer is still within the parameters for an other than asymptomatic or mild case of normal old COVID.

I'm sure he feels like crap or he'd be behind the bench. More than a speedy recovery, I hope he makes a full one.

Scersk '97

scoop85
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Now we know what he actually said. If he is in fact boosted, he seems to be having a rougher time of it than the other boosted people who’ve gotten infected since Omicron came on the scene.

I don't want to speculate too much, but it's entirely possible he picked up Delta instead of Omicron, considering the timing, direction of travel, and seemingly more difficult road with COVID. The only places where Omicron is starting to loosen up definitively are around the initial outbreak centers in sufficiently vaccinated areas, i.e., Washington DC and Maryland, the NYC area, and, curiously, Cleveland. So, considering how waves spread, North Dakota seems like one of the last places Omicron would have made it to. According to the NYTimes page for North Dakota, their Omicron spike started around 12/28/21; for Arizona, their spike started around the same time.

That all being said, OSC (ongoing symptomatic COVID) is diagnosed at four weeks and post-COVID-19 syndrome ("long hauling," informally) at twelve weeks, so Schafer is still within the parameters for an other than asymptomatic or mild case of normal old COVID.

I'm sure he feels like crap or he'd be behind the bench. More than a speedy recovery, I hope he makes a full one.

Thank you for that informative post, Scersk. It's worrisome because we have no additional information about whether he's isolating (nor are we entitled to any obviously) so people tend to fear the worst.

Scersk '97

scoop85
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Now we know what he actually said. If he is in fact boosted, he seems to be having a rougher time of it than the other boosted people who’ve gotten infected since Omicron came on the scene.

I don't want to speculate too much, but it's entirely possible he picked up Delta instead of Omicron, considering the timing, direction of travel, and seemingly more difficult road with COVID. The only places where Omicron is starting to loosen up definitively are around the initial outbreak centers in sufficiently vaccinated areas, i.e., Washington DC and Maryland, the NYC area, and, curiously, Cleveland. So, considering how waves spread, North Dakota seems like one of the last places Omicron would have made it to. According to the NYTimes page for North Dakota, their Omicron spike started around 12/28/21; for Arizona, their spike started around the same time.

That all being said, OSC (ongoing symptomatic COVID) is diagnosed at four weeks and post-COVID-19 syndrome ("long hauling," informally) at twelve weeks, so Schafer is still within the parameters for an other than asymptomatic or mild case of normal old COVID.

I'm sure he feels like crap or he'd be behind the bench. More than a speedy recovery, I hope he makes a full one.

Nicely stated. I may well have incorrectly assumed he got Omicron rather than Delta. I too hope he makes a full recovery, regardless of the time table.

Trotsky
Thank you for that informative post, Scersk. It's worrisome because we have no additional information about whether he's isolating (nor are we entitled to any obviously) so people tend to fear the worst.

Just want to say, I am not an epidemiologist (IANE, I guess), but I do love me some COVID stats.

Anecdotally, I have heard how people who are symptomatic can have rather crazy short- and long-term symptoms outside of the normal battery, including all the stuff that would make it impossible to coach for a while, like extreme fatigue, joint pain, and—the kicker—vertigo. Most of this stuff does clear up, but it can be a thing and a half.

Scersk '97

Trotsky
Thank you for that informative post, Scersk. It's worrisome because we have no additional information about whether he's isolating (nor are we entitled to any obviously) so people tend to fear the worst.

Just want to say, I am not an epidemiologist (IANE, I guess), but I do love me some COVID stats.

Anecdotally, I have heard how people who are symptomatic can have rather crazy short- and long-term symptoms outside of the normal battery, including all the stuff that would make it impossible to coach for a while, like extreme fatigue, joint pain, and—the kicker—vertigo. Most of this stuff does clear up, but it can be a thing and a half.

Exactly, remember a small % of patients that are so severe as to need hospitalization are vaccinated.

I certainly don't know any of his medical history, but he could easily have some chronic disease, which could make infection worse.

Regardless of his current sickness, almost for certain he'll recover enough to coach again. However, my concern is that this might be enough to convince him to retire.

He has talked about how the grind of coaching can get to you. Hopefully his love of his profession will overcome any doubts.

Anyway, as a reminder, I lost yesterday. (I probably posted the game thread too early. That's why they lost.) So someone else needs to take over.

Scersk '97
Shootouts are by definition a clown show, as is overtime. I hate this anti-climactic crap.

They've managed to take what used to be the most exciting part of the game--overtime--and make it boring and annoying for those of us who know what's going on. By the time a game gets to OT, they're only playing for 1/3 of the value of the game in the standings and 10% of the value in the NCAA's increasingly wacky bookkeeping. I suppose for the uninitiated it may be the opposite, and those are the fans they're chasing.

Trotsky

upprdeck
hurts to lose a game where you basically allow 10 shots on goal.

We tied.

I don't see the point in pretending there's a difference between losing in OT and in a shootout. They're exactly the same in the league standings (unless they affect tiebreakers, which the ECAC has still not given a straight answer about AFAIK), and the difference in the NCAA's accounting is miniscule. Just letting a game to go to OT is basically giving up a tie (or worse, if it's at home).

I see why the IIHF did this, since they used to only have overtime in knockout games anyway, but it's unbelievably stupid to have adopted it in college.

jtwcornell91

Scersk '97
Shootouts are by definition a clown show, as is overtime. I hate this anti-climactic crap.

They've managed to take what used to be the most exciting part of the game--overtime--and make it boring and annoying for those of us who know what's going on. By the time a game gets to OT, they're only playing for 1/3 of the value of the game in the standings and 10% of the value in the NCAA's increasingly wacky bookkeeping. I suppose for the uninitiated it may be the opposite, and those are the fans they're chasing.

Spot on. A massively deflating feeling when regulation ends tied against Dartmouth for example. Robs the excitement of OT when you know there isn’t actually much at stake.

they should go back to 5-10 Min OT. its worth the same as a game pts then if you want a shootout after that, go for it, but its worth 2-0. then teams have an incentive. to not tie at all.

Just end in a tie after 60.

Trotsky
Just end in a tie after 60.

I prefer a traditional overtime, but your suggestion beats what we now have.

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky
Just end in a tie after 60.

I prefer a traditional overtime, but your suggestion beats what we now have.

I remember stories repeated in the early 70's that in games which OT expired without a score that opposing coaches occasionally agreed to an additional OT. Does anyone know if this was true in the 60's?

marty

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky
Just end in a tie after 60.

I prefer a traditional overtime, but your suggestion beats what we now have.

I remember stories repeated in the early 70's that in games which OT expired without a score that opposing coaches occasionally agreed to an additional OT. Does anyone know if this was true in the 60's?

Never heard of it in a non-tournament game.

Al DeFlorio

marty

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky
Just end in a tie after 60.

I prefer a traditional overtime, but your suggestion beats what we now have.

I remember stories repeated in the early 70's that in games which OT expired without a score that opposing coaches occasionally agreed to an additional OT. Does anyone know if this was true in the 60's?

Never heard of it in a non-tournament game.

Thanks. It always seemed like BS but I thought maybe it could have happened in a holiday tourney in December or January.

marty

Al DeFlorio

marty

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky
Just end in a tie after 60.

I prefer a traditional overtime, but your suggestion beats what we now have.

I remember stories repeated in the early 70's that in games which OT expired without a score that opposing coaches occasionally agreed to an additional OT. Does anyone know if this was true in the 60's?

Never heard of it in a non-tournament game.

Thanks. It always seemed like BS but I thought maybe it could have happened in a holiday tourney in December or January.

Happened in the Boston Arena Christmas tournament in the 66-67 season when Cornell and BU tied 3-3 after two OTs and were named co-champions. It was a round-robin format with four teams and played over three consecutive nights. Cornell and BU both beat Harvard and Northeastern, then played on the third night. Game was stopped after two OTs. Three games in three nights plus two OTs...whew.

Tournaments where one team had to win to advance were played until one team scored. No bullshit.

marty

Al DeFlorio

marty

Al DeFlorio

Trotsky
Just end in a tie after 60.

I prefer a traditional overtime, but your suggestion beats what we now have.

I remember stories repeated in the early 70's that in games which OT expired without a score that opposing coaches occasionally agreed to an additional OT. Does anyone know if this was true in the 60's?

Never heard of it in a non-tournament game.

Thanks. It always seemed like BS but I thought maybe it could have happened in a holiday tourney in December or January.

Sort of the reverse did happen in the Boston Christmas Tournament 66-67. We played BU in the third game of the tournament. Yes 3 games. Tied in regulation and after the first 10 minute OT. Agreed to a second OT, but when that was tied the coaches, Harkness and Kelley, agreed to quit. Thus our only tie that year.

And it led to the next game vs Yale, our only loss.

jtwcornell91
I don't see the point in pretending there's a difference between losing in OT and in a shootout. They're exactly the same in the league standings (unless they affect tiebreakers, which the ECAC has still not given a straight answer about AFAIK)

ECAC Tie-Breaking Procedures from the website.

Regarding shootout results, the second tiebreaker, league wins, counts only regulation and overtime wins, not shootouts.

Shootout results do matter in the first, third, and fourth tiebreakers, which now read "Comparison of points attained" head-to-head, against top four, and against top eight. Pre-2020, the tiebreakers referred to "Record." So "points attained" would include those that came by shootout.