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osorojo
Swampy: I'll let you borrow MY Aunt Beulah for a couple of predictions, you lucky dog. Don't worry about kickback from cranky posters. They aren't any better at predicting hockey game winners than my Aunt Beulah. [Maybe that's why they're so cranky?]

Trotsky
OK, I'm convinced. Somebody has put an AI/ML project here to pass the Turing Test.

It's the Townhall cadence and Ben Garrison humoriness that gave it away.

osorojo
What criteria are used to construct college hockey rankings, and which ranking system has most successfully predicted the winners of contests between ranked teams?

GPTZero
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marty

osorojo
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Trotsky

osorojo
If current rating systems are no better at predicting outcomes of upcoming hockey games than my Aunt Beulah is why not dig a hole, cover it with leaves and grass, and TRAP someone to predict outcomes of upcoming college hockey games?

If by rating we mean PWR, RPICH, KRACH, the intent is to measure teams' relative prior performance to assess where they should be ranked for NC$$ selection. NC$$ hockey has a problem: there are tight sets with extremely good relative rankings (the conferences) but then only loose bounds between the sets, making relative ranking of members of different sets difficult. Metrics like PWR are an attempt to normalize all members against a common baseline. They are similar to the sabermetrics that attempt to adjust for differences in ballpark effects or era effects in MLB.

But those assessments only imply potential predictive likelihoods of future events. One would assume a team ranked higher in the metric will, on balance, beat a team ranked lower over a sufficiently large sample, but particularly in single elimination playoffs you get one data point, so at best you are talking about a probability function. There is also not great confidence that prior results will predict future outcomes because team composition changes with injuries, and teams themselves tend to become better (or worse) as the season goes on.

It's the littany of reasons why social science correlation coefficients tend to be a lot lower than natural science. It's the nature of working with humans and not leptons, and of complex systems rather than simple machines.

osorojo
Declarative statements about future events can only imagine the likelihood of such events. Would-be sports gurus both professional and on-line, in print or in taverns, are chronic losers.
Neither your moving finger nor your wit will make you a seer or a winner - only a guesser. Soup kitchens are packed with living proof.

osorojo
Declarative statements about future events can only imagine the likelihood of such events. Would-be sports gurus both professional and on-line, in print or in taverns, are chronic losers.
Neither your moving finger nor your wit will make you a seer or a winner - only a guesser. Soup kitchens are packed with living proof.

JasonN95
Cornell up to 11th in 1/23/23 USCHO poll. Has me wondering where the team would be ranked if it had gotten a tie at BU seeing BU with some first place votes. I thought Q would drop a bit further than 3rd.

billhoward

JasonN95
Cornell up to 11th in 1/23/23 USCHO poll. Has me wondering where the team would be ranked if it had gotten a tie at BU seeing BU with some first place votes. I thought Q would drop a bit further than 3rd.

Might Q only have fallen to #2 if they hadn't blown a 2-0 lead at Colgate and lost 3-2 the day after losing to us?

JasonN95
I was pulling for Q to beat Colgate. Cornell isn’t going to catch Q, but Colgate is nipping at Cornell’s heels. Plus Q losing to Colgate took a bit of the shine off of Cornell’s win.

JasonN95

billhoward

JasonN95
Cornell up to 11th in 1/23/23 USCHO poll. Has me wondering where the team would be ranked if it had gotten a tie at BU seeing BU with some first place votes. I thought Q would drop a bit further than 3rd.

Might Q only have fallen to #2 if they hadn't blown a 2-0 lead at Colgate and lost 3-2 the day after losing to us?

I was pulling for Q to beat Colgate. Cornell isn’t going to catch Q, but Colgate is nipping at Cornell’s heels. Plus Q losing to Colgate took a bit of the shine off of Cornell’s win.

BearLover

JasonN95

billhoward

JasonN95
Cornell up to 11th in 1/23/23 USCHO poll. Has me wondering where the team would be ranked if it had gotten a tie at BU seeing BU with some first place votes. I thought Q would drop a bit further than 3rd.

Might Q only have fallen to #2 if they hadn't blown a 2-0 lead at Colgate and lost 3-2 the day after losing to us?

I was pulling for Q to beat Colgate. Cornell isn’t going to catch Q, but Colgate is nipping at Cornell’s heels. Plus Q losing to Colgate took a bit of the shine off of Cornell’s win.

Colgate winning is good news for Cornell. There is not much of a difference between finishing 2nd and 3rd in the ECAC. The goal is to (1) get a bye and (2) minimize the number of times we have to play Q and/or Harvard during the ECAC tournament. At the moment, (1) looks very likely, so I’m focusing on (2). A great outcome would be Q as the 1-seed, Cornell and Colgate as the 2-/3-seeds, and Harvard as the 4-seed. Then we wouldn’t have to play Q/Harvard until the final.

RichH

BearLover

JasonN95

billhoward

JasonN95
Cornell up to 11th in 1/23/23 USCHO poll. Has me wondering where the team would be ranked if it had gotten a tie at BU seeing BU with some first place votes. I thought Q would drop a bit further than 3rd.

Might Q only have fallen to #2 if they hadn't blown a 2-0 lead at Colgate and lost 3-2 the day after losing to us?

I was pulling for Q to beat Colgate. Cornell isn’t going to catch Q, but Colgate is nipping at Cornell’s heels. Plus Q losing to Colgate took a bit of the shine off of Cornell’s win.

Colgate winning is good news for Cornell. There is not much of a difference between finishing 2nd and 3rd in the ECAC. The goal is to (1) get a bye and (2) minimize the number of times we have to play Q and/or Harvard during the ECAC tournament. At the moment, (1) looks very likely, so I’m focusing on (2). A great outcome would be Q as the 1-seed, Cornell and Colgate as the 2-/3-seeds, and Harvard as the 4-seed. Then we wouldn’t have to play Q/Harvard until the final.

Only if you assume chalk.

And I have to think that at this point, there are a lot of teams looking at ways to avoid *us* in the playoffs.

BearLover

There are of course a lot of different ways things can go. But there are only two teams in the league that are (IMO) better than us, and if we want to win the ECAC it’s easier if we only have to beat one of them. If Q and Harvard get the 1 and 4 seeds, then we don’t have to beat them both. It’s not the biggest concern in the world, but it’s a tiebreaker when choosing who to root for in in-conference games.

jkahn

BearLover

There are of course a lot of different ways things can go. But there are only two teams in the league that are (IMO) better than us, and if we want to win the ECAC it’s easier if we only have to beat one of them. If Q and Harvard get the 1 and 4 seeds, then we don’t have to beat them both. It’s not the biggest concern in the world, but it’s a tiebreaker when choosing who to root for in in-conference games.

In your scenario above, if Colgate loses in the quarter-finals we could still get Harvard in the semi-finals.
Also, one advantage for us with Q winning rather than losing games is the higher they rank in PWR, the more Quality Wins Bonus points we get.

BearLover
More than anything, I hate Quinnipiac.

Trotsky
Didn't Michigan have something like 1, 2, 4, and 5 overall at some point? Are they all still there?

marty

Trotsky
Didn't Michigan have something like 1, 2, 4, and 5 overall at some point? Are they all still there?

This year or last year?

Trotsky

marty

Trotsky
Didn't Michigan have something like 1, 2, 4, and 5 overall at some point? Are they all still there?

This year or last year?

I dunno, man, it all blends together.

marty

Trotsky
Didn't Michigan have something like 1, 2, 4, and 5 overall at some point? Are they all still there?

This year or last year?

Trotsky
Was Berniers a Cornell decommit or am I hallucinating?

Edit: oh, wait, maybe he was a Harvard decommit.

scoop85

marty

Trotsky
Didn't Michigan have something like 1, 2, 4, and 5 overall at some point? Are they all still there?

This year or last year?

That would've been last year's roster, which featured Owen Power, Matt Berniers, Luke Hughes, and Kent Johnson, all of whom were the top 5 picks. I don't know if we'll ever again see anything like it.

upprdeck
i wonder if the NIL game will trickle into college hockey or maybe it already has for those bigger schools.. play college make 500K is pretty good for the high level talent.

Weder

upprdeck
i wonder if the NIL game will trickle into college hockey or maybe it already has for those bigger schools.. play college make 500K is pretty good for the high level talent.

I think there's very little chance a college hockey player will get that kind of money. According to this site, in the first year of NIL, men's hockey didn't even register in terms of compensation, and women's hockey accounted for 0.2% of NIL compensation. If it's not football or basketball, there doesn't seem to be much interest in NIL deals. The vast majority of NIL deals amount to pizza money.
[businessofcollegesports.com]

Dafatone
I don’t think it sways recruiting, but if you're, say, East Hill Car Wash, why not throw Sam Malinski $500 to sing a verse?

Trotsky
Was Berniers a Cornell decommit or am I hallucinating?

Edit: oh, wait, maybe he was a Harvard decommit.

pfibiger

Trotsky
Was Berniers a Cornell decommit or am I hallucinating?

Edit: oh, wait, maybe he was a Harvard decommit.

His parents are both Cornell grads — his dad played football.

Trotsky

Dafatone
I don’t think it sways recruiting, but if you're, say, East Hill Car Wash, why not throw Sam Malinski $500 to sing a verse?

"Vot a difference in this generation, tovarish." -- Max Andreev

RichH

Trotsky

Dafatone
I don’t think it sways recruiting, but if you're, say, East Hill Car Wash, why not throw Sam Malinski $500 to sing a verse?

"Vot a difference in this generation, tovarish." -- Max Andreev

These guys have had injuries. Maybe let them talk about their medical treatments and give poor RC Holmes from Watkins Glen a break from reliving how he tore his patellar tendon.

ugarte

pfibiger

Trotsky
Was Berniers a Cornell decommit or am I hallucinating?

Edit: oh, wait, maybe he was a Harvard decommit.

His parents are both Cornell grads — his dad played football.

oh i see. he's a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT

Trotsky
We have lost a lot of Cornell brats over the years. Ethan by Kent out of Kim comes to mind.

Trotsky
We have lost a lot of Cornell brats over the years. Ethan by Kent out of Kim comes to mind.

BearLover
For whatever reason, we’ve been about to stack up “good” recruits, but the true blue chip recruits don’t seem to view Cornell Hockey in the way they view BC, BU, Minnesota, Michigan, Denver, NoDak, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and, unfortunately, Harvard.

BearLover

Trotsky
We have lost a lot of Cornell brats over the years. Ethan by Kent out of Kim comes to mind.

Ethan Manderville and Jackson Nieuwendyk are two recent sons of Cornell legends who chose to play hockey at other schools. Neither put up great junior hockey numbers, and the schools they committed to (Colgate and Niagara) suggest they weren’t heavily recruited. They could turn out to be fine players, and I’m sure the Cornell coaching staff did their due diligence, but as scoop85 said, they aren’t on the same level as Moore and especially Beniers. For whatever reason, we’ve been about to stack up “good” recruits, but the true blue chip recruits don’t seem to view Cornell Hockey in the way they view BC, BU, Minnesota, Michigan, Denver, NoDak, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and, unfortunately, Harvard.

Trotsky

BearLover
For whatever reason, we’ve been about to stack up “good” recruits, but the true blue chip recruits don’t seem to view Cornell Hockey in the way they view BC, BU, Minnesota, Michigan, Denver, NoDak, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and, unfortunately, Harvard.

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BearLover
I mean, there are all sorts of very reasonable explanations for why blue chippers don’t come to Cornell. But the fact we get so many players who are just a step or two below the blue chippers makes me wonder why we can’t snag a first- or second-rounder from time to time. We were getting them every so often in the early 2000s.

RichH

BearLover
I mean, there are all sorts of very reasonable explanations for why blue chippers don’t come to Cornell. But the fact we get so many players who are just a step or two below the blue chippers makes me wonder why we can’t snag a first- or second-rounder from time to time. We were getting them every so often in the early 2000s.

There’s also the case of an NHL team/GM making unusual or unexpected decisions based on needs, team control considerations, or developmental expectations. Sasha Pokulok and Reilly Nash went much higher than their rankings, IIRC. There are teams that feel much more comfortable drafting from the collegiate pool than others. There’s historically been a premium on size, and smaller, more talented skaters could slip a lot down the draft board, or off it altogether. (See St. Louis, Martin)

BearLover

RichH

BearLover
I mean, there are all sorts of very reasonable explanations for why blue chippers don’t come to Cornell. But the fact we get so many players who are just a step or two below the blue chippers makes me wonder why we can’t snag a first- or second-rounder from time to time. We were getting them every so often in the early 2000s.

There’s also the case of an NHL team/GM making unusual or unexpected decisions based on needs, team control considerations, or developmental expectations. Sasha Pokulok and Reilly Nash went much higher than their rankings, IIRC. There are teams that feel much more comfortable drafting from the collegiate pool than others. There’s historically been a premium on size, and smaller, more talented skaters could slip a lot down the draft board, or off it altogether. (See St. Louis, Martin)

That’s all true. Though, the premium on size should lead to Cornell having more, now fewer, players drafted.

BearLover

RichH

BearLover
I mean, there are all sorts of very reasonable explanations for why blue chippers don’t come to Cornell. But the fact we get so many players who are just a step or two below the blue chippers makes me wonder why we can’t snag a first- or second-rounder from time to time. We were getting them every so often in the early 2000s.

There’s also the case of an NHL team/GM making unusual or unexpected decisions based on needs, team control considerations, or developmental expectations. Sasha Pokulok and Reilly Nash went much higher than their rankings, IIRC. There are teams that feel much more comfortable drafting from the collegiate pool than others. There’s historically been a premium on size, and smaller, more talented skaters could slip a lot down the draft board, or off it altogether. (See St. Louis, Martin)

That’s all true. Though, the premium on size should lead to Cornell having more, now fewer, players drafted.

RichH

BearLover
I mean, there are all sorts of very reasonable explanations for why blue chippers don’t come to Cornell. But the fact we get so many players who are just a step or two below the blue chippers makes me wonder why we can’t snag a first- or second-rounder from time to time. We were getting them every so often in the early 2000s.

There’s also the case of an NHL team/GM making unusual or unexpected decisions based on needs, te.

As for the one that sparks this…like it or not, “My boy is going to Harvard” just has a lot more weight to ma & pa than anything the Cornell brand can offer.

BearLover

Trotsky
We have lost a lot of Cornell brats over the years. Ethan by Kent out of Kim comes to mind.

Ethan Manderville and Jackson Nieuwendyk are two recent sons of Cornell legends who chose to play hockey at other schools. Neither put up great junior hockey numbers, and the schools they committed to (Colgate and Niagara) suggest they weren’t heavily recruited. They could turn out to be fine players, and I’m sure the Cornell coaching staff did their due diligence, but as scoop85 said, they aren’t on the same level as Moore and especially Beniers. For whatever reason, we’ve been about to stack up “good” recruits, but the true blue chip recruits don’t seem to view Cornell Hockey in the way they view BC, BU, Minnesota, Michigan, Denver, NoDak, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and, unfortunately, Harvard.

abmarks
Harvard's also in Boston. Yeah, yeah, Trotsky hates Boston, but for many recruits (and their parents) Boston > Ithaca (or any small college town).

Trotsky

abmarks
Harvard's also in Boston. Yeah, yeah, Trotsky hates Boston, but for many recruits (and their parents) Boston > Ithaca (or any small college town).

Not at all. I like Boston.

I hate Bostonians. The students and transplants are great. Just drag everybody born there out into the ocean on a garbage scow and sink it.

Roy 82

Trotsky

abmarks
Harvard's also in Boston. Yeah, yeah, Trotsky hates Boston, but for many recruits (and their parents) Boston > Ithaca (or any small college town).

Not at all. I like Boston.

I hate Bostonians. The students and transplants are great. Just drag everybody born there out into the ocean on a garbage scow and sink it.

Why do you hate Bostonians so much that you wish to murder them?

Trotsky

abmarks
Harvard's also in Boston. Yeah, yeah, Trotsky hates Boston, but for many recruits (and their parents) Boston > Ithaca (or any small college town).

Not at all. I like Boston.

I hate Bostonians. The students and transplants are great. Just drag everybody born there out into the ocean on a garbage scow and sink it.

Dafatone

Trotsky

abmarks
Harvard's also in Boston. Yeah, yeah, Trotsky hates Boston, but for many recruits (and their parents) Boston > Ithaca (or any small college town).

Not at all. I like Boston.

I hate Bostonians. The students and transplants are great. Just drag everybody born there out into the ocean on a garbage scow and sink it.

While I strongly support location-based hatred, I'm curious what parts of the country have residents you do like.

RichH

BearLover

RichH

BearLover
I mean, there are all sorts of very reasonable explanations for why blue chippers don’t come to Cornell. But the fact we get so many players who are just a step or two below the blue chippers makes me wonder why we can’t snag a first- or second-rounder from time to time. We were getting them every so often in the early 2000s.

There’s also the case of an NHL team/GM making unusual or unexpected decisions based on needs, team control considerations, or developmental expectations. Sasha Pokulok and Reilly Nash went much higher than their rankings, IIRC. There are teams that feel much more comfortable drafting from the collegiate pool than others. There’s historically been a premium on size, and smaller, more talented skaters could slip a lot down the draft board, or off it altogether. (See St. Louis, Martin)

That’s all true. Though, the premium on size should lead to Cornell having more, now fewer, players drafted.

Perhaps that already has increased the number of Cornell drafted players. I don’t really care. We seem to secure a certain type of player, who can fit and buy into a…how do you say…system. I’m not claiming to know how the staff recruits, but they seem to have found a fairly consistent level of success no matter who they bring in. Spend time chasing blue-chippers or pieces that fit a puzzle, that’s the choice you often have to make, since I’m guessing their resources are quite a bit more limited compared to the big jock factories.

As for the one that sparks this…like it or not, “My boy is going to Harvard” just has a lot more weight to ma & pa than anything the Cornell brand can offer.

Swampy

RichH

BearLover

RichH

BearLover
I mean, there are all sorts of very reasonable explanations for why blue chippers don’t come to Cornell. But the fact we get so many players who are just a step or two below the blue chippers makes me wonder why we can’t snag a first- or second-rounder from time to time. We were getting them every so often in the early 2000s.

There’s also the case of an NHL team/GM making unusual or unexpected decisions based on needs, team control considerations, or developmental expectations. Sasha Pokulok and Reilly Nash went much higher than their rankings, IIRC. There are teams that feel much more comfortable drafting from the collegiate pool than others. There’s historically been a premium on size, and smaller, more talented skaters could slip a lot down the draft board, or off it altogether. (See St. Louis, Martin)

That’s all true. Though, the premium on size should lead to Cornell having more, now fewer, players drafted.

Perhaps that already has increased the number of Cornell drafted players. I don’t really care. We seem to secure a certain type of player, who can fit and buy into a…how do you say…system. I’m not claiming to know how the staff recruits, but they seem to have found a fairly consistent level of success no matter who they bring in. Spend time chasing blue-chippers or pieces that fit a puzzle, that’s the choice you often have to make, since I’m guessing their resources are quite a bit more limited compared to the big jock factories.

As for the one that sparks this…like it or not, “My boy is going to Harvard” just has a lot more weight to ma & pa than anything the Cornell brand can offer.

By this logic one would expect Princeton & Yale to be perennial powers and Quinnipiac, a perennial doormat. Yale did catch lightning in a bottle in 2013, but not consistently, and I don’t recall a plethora of first round picks on that team.

While you may be right about the Harvard name being part of the explanation, I think the evidence suggests this is not the whole story.

Dafatone
While I strongly support location-based hatred, I'm curious what parts of the country have residents you do like.

scoop85

Trotsky
We have lost a lot of Cornell brats over the years. Ethan by Kent out of Kim comes to mind.

Manderville’s a nice player—I would compare him with Tukper. But Moore and especially Berniers are at a different level.

ursusminor
I am sure that Cornell wasn't interested in Peace.

Trotsky

Dafatone
While I strongly support location-based hatred, I'm curious what parts of the country have residents you do like.

West of Interstate 77 + North of Interstate 40.

Scersk '97
If that was your attempt to delineate the beginning of the Midwest

Trotsky

Scersk '97
If that was your attempt to delineate the beginning of the Midwest

It was my answer. I am not responsible for your reaction.

Also do not conflate the political livability of a place with whether its people are tolerable. Those are different axes.

Good politics, good people: Oregon
Bad politics, good people: Utah
Good politics, bad people: New York
Bad politics, bad people: Mississippi

Scersk '97
But boundaries delineated by highways are specious.

Trotsky

Scersk '97
But boundaries delineated by highways are specious.

Possibly I'm not entirely serious.

Possibly.

Scersk '97

Trotsky

Scersk '97
But boundaries delineated by highways are specious.

Possibly I'm not entirely serious.

Possibly.

Occasionally, I poke people's unserious answers for my own unserious enjoyment, because drilling down into specifics highlights the hilarity and futility of the search for knowledge.

Occasionally.

But, seriously, southern Missouri is the South—I mean, the SOUTH in the old sense. You won't catch me summering in the Ozarks unchaperoned.

Trotsky

Scersk '97

Trotsky

Scersk '97
But boundaries delineated by highways are specious.

Possibly I'm not entirely serious.

Possibly.

Occasionally, I poke people's unserious answers for my own unserious enjoyment, because drilling down into specifics highlights the hilarity and futility of the search for knowledge.

Occasionally.

But, seriously, southern Missouri is the South—I mean, the SOUTH in the old sense. You won't catch me summering in the Ozarks unchaperoned.

The South is 50 miles outside every city in America.

Trotsky
The South is WHCU listeners when the game's not on. The term is broadly inclusive. Which is ironic.

ursusminor

RPI has had many legacies of other schools. E.g., Dan Peace '08 whose father played for Cornell and at least three on the current roster. I am sure that Cornell wasn't interested in Peace. It also has had many play elsewhere.

billhoward
60 Lindenwood
60 Dartmouth

Rnk	Team		(1st)	Record	Points	Last 
 1	Minnesota	(38)	25-8-1	988	 1
 2	Quinnipiac	(12)	28-3-3	955	 2
 3	Denver			28-8-0	906	 3
 4	Michigan		22-11-3	820	 4
 5	Boston University	24-10-0	760	 7
 6	Harvard			21-6-2	754	 5
 7	Western Michigan	23-12-1	685	 8
 8	St. Cloud		20-11-3	663	 6
 9	Ohio State		20-14-3	605	 9
10	Michigan Tech		24-9-4	517	11
11	Penn State		21-15-1	510	10
12	Cornell			18-9-2	447	12
13	Minnesota State		23-12-1	436	13
14	Merrimack		21-12-1	300	16
15	Northeastern		17-12-5	242	15
16	Alaska			22-10-2	237	18
17	Omaha			18-13-3	189	14
18	Michigan State		18-17-2	170	20
19	Connecticut		20-11-3	169	17
20	RIT			24-11-1	 56	NR

Others receiving votes: Notre Dame 41, North Dakota 27, UMass Lowell 16, Boston College 4, Northern Michigan 3

upprdeck
i wonder if the NIL game will trickle into college hockey or maybe it already has for those bigger schools.. play college make 500K is pretty good for the high level talent.

George64

upprdeck
i wonder if the NIL game will trickle into college hockey or maybe it already has for those bigger schools.. play college make 500K is pretty good for the high level talent.

Until I read this article, I hadn’t realized how out-of-hand NIL has become. I think it’s just a matter of time before it filters down to B1G hockey, if it hasn’t already.

Call me naive, but this just floored me, “Nijel Pack’s two-year, $800,000 contract with Miami booster John Ruiz is the most publicized NIL deal since the NCAA began allowing college athletes to make money off their popularity. ACC player of the year Isaiah Wong’s $100,000 deal with Ruiz also became public knowledge.”

I like to think our well-heeled alumni have more important priorities. I think we can soon forget about a third NC$$ championship. I’ll settle for a Cleary Cup and ECAC Championship.
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BMac
Wow fascinating article.
Hockey is very different from football and bball- franchises have ALREADY drafted these kids, so what’s stopping them from paying their big prospects via an NIL contract?

BMac
Why can some booster pay but their future employee no? NHL rules?

JasonN95

BMac
Why can some booster pay but their future employee no? NHL rules?

Why would a NHL team want to pay a drafted player? They already have the kid locked up, no?

George64
Do you suppose that some unsavory Ivy alum might use NIL to get around our athletic “scholarship” ban? Bob Kane ‘34, former Dean of Athletics and Physical Education at Cornell and president of the USOC, must be turning over in his grave. He was a true gentleman (and great writer), who truly believed in the now antiquated ideal of amateurism.

George64

upprdeck
i wonder if the NIL game will trickle into college hockey or maybe it already has for those bigger schools.. play college make 500K is pretty good for the high level talent.

Until I read this article, I hadn’t realized how out-of-hand NIL has become. I think it’s just a matter of time before it filters down to B1G hockey, if it hasn’t already.

Call me naive, but this just floored me, “Nijel Pack’s two-year, $800,000 contract with Miami booster John Ruiz is the most publicized NIL deal since the NCAA began allowing college athletes to make money off their popularity. ACC player of the year Isaiah Wong’s $100,000 deal with Ruiz also became public knowledge.”

I like to think our well-heeled alumni have more important priorities. I think we can soon forget about a third NC$$ championship. I’ll settle for a Cleary Cup and ECAC Championship.
.

George64

upprdeck
i wonder if the NIL game will trickle into college hockey or maybe it already has for those bigger schools.. play college make 500K is pretty good for the high level talent.

Until I read this article, I hadn’t realized how out-of-hand NIL has become. I think it’s just a matter of time before it filters down to B1G hockey, if it hasn’t already.

Call me naive, but this just floored me, “Nijel Pack’s two-year, $800,000 contract with Miami booster John Ruiz is the most publicized NIL deal since the NCAA began allowing college athletes to make money off their popularity. ACC player of the year Isaiah Wong’s $100,000 deal with Ruiz also became public knowledge.”

I like to think our well-heeled alumni have more important priorities. I think we can soon forge about a third NC$$ championship. I’ll settle for a Cleary Cup and ECAC Championship.

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Trotsky
Good. Everybody got rich off these guys except them. Now they're getting a piece and it's a travesty?

Now they should unionize. Fuck the schools.

BearLover

Trotsky
Good. Everybody got rich off these guys except them. Now they're getting a piece and it's a travesty?

Now they should unionize. Fuck the schools.

If NIL money became a thing in college hockey, Cornell’s chances of competing nationally would go to zero.

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky
Good. Everybody got rich off these guys except them. Now they're getting a piece and it's a travesty?

Now they should unionize. Fuck the schools.

If NIL money became a thing in college hockey, Cornell’s chances of competing nationally would go to zero.

Yeah, fuck the players because of who I root for.

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky
Good. Everybody got rich off these guys except them. Now they're getting a piece and it's a travesty?

Now they should unionize. Fuck the schools.

If NIL money became a thing in college hockey, Cornell’s chances of competing nationally would go to zero.

Yeah, fuck the players because of who I root for.

I wasn’t making any sort of normative claim about whether the system is good or better than what came before. I’m just saying—the more NIL becomes a thing, the more winning is a function of how much money boosters dump into a program.

Trotsky
Good. Everybody got rich off these guys except them. Now they're getting a piece and it's a travesty?

Now they should unionize. Fuck the schools.

upprdeck
The difference is that the math major made the money after they did something.
Should we start giving all math majors 500K a yr and hope 1 does solve some major hypothesis?

upprdeck
The difference is that the math major made the money after they did something.
Should we start giving all math majors 500K a yr and hope 1 does solve some major hypothesis?