Stats

Finding accurate college hockey stats just got harder.

so they went live with a new system but never really had it fully tested.. sounds like most every software project i have been involved in the last 30 yrs..

Seems like a consortium of schools should have gotten together and found a way to induce Danehy to continue his work or to turn his site and code over to someone similarly competent.

This might be for the best in the long run. The tools and methods to do this type of thing are evolving quickly and it's probably the case that nobody over the age of about 24 understands the best way to do this. Seems like a perfect opportunity for some STEMlord to drop a clean, light, fast solution, or just adapt some super cool COTS product used for widget QA.

I looked at the NCAA page for Cornell hockey. When did MSG become Cornell's primary venue and not Lynah?

Good story, and all due accolades and thanks to Mr. Danehy for all the years of hard, anonymous work. I used collegehockeystats.net an embarrassing amount, and will miss it dearly.

Reading between the lines, I also want to thank our own Adam Wodon. It's pretty apparent that he has put in a lot of work not only through the years in expanding the data reach on CHN, but also it sure seems like he and his team had the forethought of what losing Tim as a resource would mean and getting ahead of it during this offseason. Just knowing what hiccups and disruption will come to what has always been a very solid system and provider is pretty stressful work. I wish CHN and all our resource providers luck in their work, which they really do for regular nerdy people like us with a pretty niche obsession. Thanks, Adam.

Just seeing this now - and thanks Rich ... And - yeah ...

hiccups and disruption will come to what has always been a very solid system and provider is pretty stressful work

you have no idea

I have no idea what these Advanced Stats are, but Cornell is:

2nd in the country in Corsi CF% Total
1st in the country in Corsi CF% Even Strength
1st in the country in Corsi CF% "Close"

Trotsky
I have no idea what these Advanced Stats are, but Cornell is:

2nd in the country in Corsi CF% Total
1st in the country in Corsi CF% Even Strength
1st in the country in Corsi CF% "Close"

Corsi totals shots on goal, missed shots, and blocked shots. Someone (probably named Corsi) figured out that total shot attempts estimates possession and total offense well enough to be worth considering rather than just shots on goal.

I'm not certain where the percentage comes in. Maybe it's something like the percentage of total shots attempted that one team took out of all total shots attempted?

You create enough stats, then Everybody's A Winner.

David Archer is probably No. 1 in FCS for the stat,
Most Fourth Quarter Comebacks (If Not Wins) By A Freshman Quarterback Who Almost Went To A Service Academy.

Shots More Or Less On Goal would be a good sign.

Blocked Shots are a good indicator and if Cornell is still blocking shots in the third, then it's a doubly important measure of offensive non-prowess because our defense has figured out their offense and they haven't adjusted.

billhoward
Shots More Or Less On Goal would be a good sign.

Doug Murray's "Shots on Something."

billhoward
You create enough stats, then Everybody's A Winner.

David Archer is probably No. 1 in FCS for the stat,
Most Fourth Quarter Comebacks (If Not Wins) By A Freshman Quarterback Who Almost Went To A Service Academy.

David Archer is first in dumb decisions that are legit insane for a D1 coach to make and not get fired for incompetence. That’s probably it.

from the same page, looks like our team is t-2nd in height, 22nd in weight, and (but for a data format problem) the youngest in d1 hockey

Oh, oh, the stats I miss. Today's it's the easy access to things like PP Chances/Game and % of game time ahead, tied, and behind.

ECAC Scoring Leaders

I wonder if any of our so/Jrs took a semester off so they could play an extra yr or if they all stayed on schedule?

upprdeck
I wonder if any of our so/Jrs took a semester off so they could play an extra yr or if they all stayed on schedule?

I feel like I’ve heard that there were at least a few players on both the men’s and women’s teams who took time off. Maybe it was on one of the Zoom events over the summer?

Weder

upprdeck
I wonder if any of our so/Jrs took a semester off so they could play an extra yr or if they all stayed on schedule?

I feel like I’ve heard that there were at least a few players on both the men’s and women’s teams who took time off. Maybe it was on one of the Zoom events over the summer?

I'm surprised that Yale is in such a hole. I thought they had most of their team take time off to extend their eligibility.

marty
I'm surprised that Yale is in such a hole.

Ixne on the olehe, at least until after next weekend.

Yale-Brown prior to MSG and the North Country is a textbook trap.

So, what counts as a shutout this year?

Related: The new overtime and shootout rules are soooooooo dumb. Giveaway point to Crimson-type dandies. Not a fan.

Scersk '97
So, what counts as a shutout this year?

Related: The new overtime and shootout rules are soooooooo dumb. Giveaway point to Crimson-type dandies. Not a fan.

3x3 and shootouts in hockey are like the DH and wildcards in baseball: the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

But if you're going to have that abortion then at least do 3 points. The little fuckwits got that part right, anyway.

If I am reading the CHN pages correctly, RPI uses weighted winning percentage, so it is better to lose an OT game on the road (.45 * 1.2) than win an OT game at home (.55* .8)? That can't be correct can it?

nshapiro
If I am reading the CHN pages correctly, RPI uses weighted winning percentage, so it is better to lose an OT game on the road (.45 * 1.2) than win an OT game at home (.55* .8)? That can't be correct can it?

Wouldn't surprise me.

Jim Hyla

nshapiro
If I am reading the CHN pages correctly, RPI uses weighted winning percentage, so it is better to lose an OT game on the road (.45 * 1.2) than win an OT game at home (.55* .8)? That can't be correct can it?

Wouldn't surprise me.

0.45*1.2 = 0.54 -> road tie loss
0.55*0.8 = 0.44 -> home tie win

This disparity is pretty significant. So by tying at home, you're already "losing".

Also I doubt 99% of the poll voters know this.

ajh258

Jim Hyla

nshapiro
If I am reading the CHN pages correctly, RPI uses weighted winning percentage, so it is better to lose an OT game on the road (.45 * 1.2) than win an OT game at home (.55* .8)? That can't be correct can it?

Wouldn't surprise me.

0.45*1.2 = 0.54 -> road tie loss
0.55*0.8 = 0.44 -> home tie win

This disparity is pretty significant. So by tying at home, you're already "losing".

Also I doubt 99% of the poll voters know this.

They really need to lessen the road/home weights. A road win is worth 1.5x a home win.

Best thing a team could do is stay on the road.

Dafatone
They really need to lessen the road/home weights. A road win is worth 1.5x a home win.

Best thing a team could do is stay on the road.

Which is exactly why they are doing it. It's an enticement for the factory schools to play home and homes with the small fry rather than turning it into the football mockery of inviting Little Sisters of the Poor into your house every year to destroy them.

Forcing the contenders onto the road is good for the sport.

After the SLU game, Matt Stienburg leads the ECAC in goals. And assists, points, and plus/minus.

The top 8 in +/- in the conference:

1	Matt Stienburg	Cornell	F	Jr	7	7	8	15	2.1429	4	19	2	1	0	+15	
	Max Andreev	Cornell	F	Sr	7	4	7	11	1.5714	4	17	0	1	0	 15	
3	Marshall Rifai	Harvard	D	Sr	7	0	4	4	0.5714	6	9	0	0	0	 11	
4	Ben Berard	Cornell	F	Jr	7	5	2	7	1.0000	2	18	1	0	0	 10	
5	Sam Malinski	Cornell	D	Jr	7	1	4	5	0.7143	2	19	0	0	0	  9	
6	Travis Mitchell	Cornell	D	Jr	7	2	5	7	1.0000	16	18	0	1	0	  8	
	Seb Dirven	Cornell	D	Jr	7	0	2	2	0.2857	15	4	0	0	0	  8	
8	Ondrej Psenicka	Cornell	F	Fr	7	3	1	4	0.5714	2	16	2	1	0	  7	

Well, holy shit. As of 10:45 pm ET, Matt Stienburg leads the nation in points per game (1.700).

The last time a Cornell men's hockey player led the nation in scoring per game this late in the season was probably Lance Nethery in 1978.

Trotsky
Well, holy shit. As of 10:45 pm ET, Matt Stienburg leads the nation in points per game (1.700).
The last time a Cornell men's hockey player led the nation in scoring per game this late in the season was probably Lance Nethery in 1978.

For that diving play to get around an SLU defender then sweep the puck into the empty net, he deserves to lead scoring at least for a week.

billhoward

Trotsky
Well, holy shit. As of 10:45 pm ET, Matt Stienburg leads the nation in points per game (1.700).
The last time a Cornell men's hockey player led the nation in scoring per game this late in the season was probably Lance Nethery in 1978.

For that diving play to get around an SLU defender then sweep the puck into the empty net, he deserves to lead scoring at least for a week.

It's a testament to how much the game has changed that 1.70 pts/game would not even crack Cornell's top 50 single season records.

Trotsky
It's a testament to how much the game has changed that 1.70 pts/game would not even crack Cornell's top 50 single season records.

Thanks for sharing those stats. I was fortunate to have seen every one of them play, except John Gillies, 41st on the list.

George64

Trotsky
It's a testament to how much the game has changed that 1.70 pts/game would not even crack Cornell's top 50 single season records.

Thanks for sharing those stats. I was fortunate to have seen every one of them play, except John Gillies, 41st on the list.

What's really impressive is that there are defensemen on that list! Truly different times.

Jeff Hopkins '82

George64

Trotsky
It's a testament to how much the game has changed that 1.70 pts/game would not even crack Cornell's top 50 single season records.

Thanks for sharing those stats. I was fortunate to have seen every one of them play, except John Gillies, 41st on the list.

What's really impressive is that there are defensemen on that list! Truly different times.

Harry Orr came to Cornell as a forward and played there as a sophomore but was at some point moved to defense. Lodboa, also.

Al DeFlorio

Jeff Hopkins '82

George64

Trotsky
It's a testament to how much the game has changed that 1.70 pts/game would not even crack Cornell's top 50 single season records.

Thanks for sharing those stats. I was fortunate to have seen every one of them play, except John Gillies, 41st on the list.

What's really impressive is that there are defensemen on that list! Truly different times.

Harry Orr came to Cornell as a forward and played there as a sophomore but was at some point moved to defense. Lodboa, also.

The one that really surprised me was Gemmell. I never thought of him as a scorer, but I suppose with all those goals being scored back then, he couldn't avoid it.

In the Harkness/Bertrand years pre-1980, Cornell played a couple Canadian schools and some of those scores were like 9-2. And generally there were 15-20 D1 schools that played well and the rest were pushovers. Now, American International has won an NCAA tournament game in 2019 (low seed, beat top seed St. Cloud State) and RIT made the final four. Union sucked for a long time. Yes, a different era.