Opponents and Others, 2021-22

The latest Pairwise ratings have us at No 20, behind Quinnipiac (6) and Clarkson (18).

Dafatone

dbilmes

Dafatone
If we're looking for pairwise optimism, 6 of our 9 remaining games are on the road.

Also, root for ASU and ND. Ew.

Let's face it. At this point, unless we win the ECAC tournament, or at least make it to the title game, we don't have a shot of getting an NCAA bid.

I'm too lazy to do any actual number crunching, but I bet if we ran the table from here to the conference semis we'd have a reasonable chance.

Certainly it's gonna be an uphill battle, RPIwise.

i've done some number crunching (counted sheep for a while then passed out) and figured out that we're not going to run the table to the conference semis

Here’s something. Doesn’t the committee claim to use something similar to Pairwise but not the actual Pairwise? Is it possible if we beat a bunch of bad teams the rest of the way, coupled with others around us losing games here and there, and move up to say 7th or 8th in the polls but say a spot or two outside the Pairwise “cut off” that we get into the tourney? I’m not an expert but I thought the polls were generally pretty similar to the Pairwise and that isn’t the case this year. Maybe I’m wrong

CU2007
Here’s something. Doesn’t the committee claim to use something similar to Pairwise but not the actual Pairwise? Is it possible if we beat a bunch of bad teams the rest of the way, coupled with others around us losing games here and there, and move up to say 7th or 8th in the polls but say a spot or two outside the Pairwise “cut off” that we get into the tourney? I’m not an expert but I thought the polls were generally pretty similar to the Pairwise and that isn’t the case this year. Maybe I’m wrong

The only time I would think the committee would exercise any discretion would be to punish someone (Michigan) who is blatantly trying to game the system.

IMHO, the entire season needs to have an asterisk because COVID is making every game a crap shoot.

Witness our series at ASU. We weren't missing many players, but COVID made CU implement more draconian limits on student activities, which deprived the team of practice time. Similar things have happened to other teams, except perhaps Michigan, which lied about COVID contacts.

I bet if someone (not me) were to use RPI in an analysis of the variation in the strength of opponents corresponding to wins & losses over the course of the season, the variation would be much larger during COVID seasons (2020-1, 2021-2, 2022-?) than in earlier years.

Swampy
IMHO, the entire season needs to have an asterisk because COVID is making every game a crap shoot.

Witness our series at ASU. We weren't missing many players, but COVID made CU implement more draconian limits on student activities, which deprived the team of practice time. Similar things have happened to other teams, except perhaps Michigan, which lied about COVID contacts.

I bet if someone (not me) were to use RPI in an analysis of the variation in the strength of opponents corresponding to wins & losses over the course of the season, the variation would be much larger during COVID seasons (2020-1, 2021-2, 2022-?) than in earlier years.

We've also been down a coach for nearly a month.

Swampy
Witness our series at ASU. We weren't missing many players, but COVID made CU implement more draconian limits on student activities, which deprived the team of practice time.

I'm pretty sure I recall reading that several of our players did have COVID, and had only recently recovered before the ASU series.

dbilmes

Dafatone
If we're looking for pairwise optimism, 6 of our 9 remaining games are on the road.

Also, root for ASU and ND. Ew.

Let's face it. At this point, unless we win the ECAC tournament, or at least make it to the title game, we don't have a shot of getting an NCAA bid.

Yeah, just aim for the title in Lake Placid.

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Harvard blows their Beanpot semi, like always. 4-3 to BU.

Thanks, you wankers.

RPI received a $2M donation from Dr. Lloyd Bauer, a member of the '54 NCAA championship team, to endow the head coach position.

Does anyone know how much the corresponding endowment is at Cornell? I wonder if $2M is enough, although it certainly can help a lot.

I also wonder why we don't get players anymore who major in engineering, science, or architecture and then go on for a Ph.D. But that is another story. Bauer was not the only member of the '54 team to have an academic career. I know that goalie Bob Fox was a professor at Purdue.

ursusminor
RPI received a $2M donation from Dr. Lloyd Bauer, a member of the '54 NCAA championship team, to endow the head coach position.

Does anyone know how much the corresponding endowment is at Cornell? I wonder if $2M is enough, although it certainly can help a lot.

I also wonder why we don't get players anymore who major in engineering, science, or architecture and then go on for a Ph.D. But that is another story. Bauer was not the only member of the '54 team to have an academic career. I know that goalie Bob Fox was a professor at Purdue.

The usual rule of thumb is to draw down 5-6 percent of the endowment, averaged over the prior three years. So, almost certainly needs to be augmented.
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Before I retired in 2018, in my college the goal was a minimum of $5M to endow a faculty position.

Thanks, George64 and dag14. I thought that $2M wasn't enough. An article in the Albany Times Union said that the funds would be used for recruiting. That seems strange.

ursusminor
Thanks, George64 and dag14. I thought that $2M wasn't enough. An article in one of the Albany Times Union said that the funds would be used for recruiting. That seems strange.

$2 million plus the $8 million per year they'll save by not having 3 armed guards protect the wicked witch of the east hill 24/7 should cover the coaches salary and renovate the rink, too.

Does the money for endowed positions (and anything else, I guess) live in its own silo or does it just get dumped into the university endowment and then get a proportional share of the gains and losses?

I would be surprised if it lives in its own silo. RPI will probably just shift some money which it would have used to pay Coach Smith to something else. It will allow the coach to be called the C. Lloyd Bauer Men's hockey coach, which may look good on his résumé.

ursusminor
Thanks, George64 and dag14. I thought that $2M wasn't enough. An article in the Albany Times Union said that the funds would be used for recruiting. That seems strange.

A new RPI president.

IIRC correctly, the donor is doing the work of two people. RPI had something like 11 people on the team.

billhoward
IIRC correctly, the donor is doing the work of two people. RPI had something like 11 people on the team.

14 skaters and a goalie, although Erik Larson was the manager who suited up for one game. [www.eliteprospects.com]

There is hope that the new president who is an alum will be better. He did ask about the team in an interview. Of course, that means he hasn't been paying attention.

George64 - #18?

It's the 69th (nice) Beanpot final.

There are four teams.

They rotate SF pairings every year.

Harvard and Northeastern have never met in the final.

Trotsky
Harvard and Northeastern have never met in the final.

I'm no mathematician, but wouldn't Harvard have to actually, you know, --WIN-- a semi-final game in order for them to meet Northeastern in the final?

osorojo
George64 - #18?

You’re probably thinking of George Walker ‘64. Definitely not me. I was at best an adequate intramural skater.
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One thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye.

Trotsky
One thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye.

Out of twelve ECAC teams, four have winning conference records.

Dafatone

Trotsky
One thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye.

Out of twelve ECAC teams, four have winning conference records.

Yes, and if we can sink them both I think we will have cut the ropes between the top 4 and bottom 8.

is 2 goals enough.. that seems to be the max with this team right now.

Trotsky

Dafatone

Trotsky
One thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye.

Out of twelve ECAC teams, four have winning conference records.

Yes, and if we can sink them both I think we will have cut the ropes between the top 4 and bottom 8.

Not quite. Cornell is currently 5 points up on RPI and Union, so if they win both in regulation while both also to lose to Colgate, Cornell will be 11 points up with 4 games to play by each of the three. In addition Princeton is 6 points behind but has 2 games in hand.

nm

ursusminor

Trotsky

Dafatone

Trotsky
One thing about this weekend. If they do take care of business they will go a long way towards locking up a first round bye.

Out of twelve ECAC teams, four have winning conference records.

Yes, and if we can sink them both I think we will have cut the ropes between the top 4 and bottom 8.

Not quite. Cornell is currently 5 points up on RPI and Union, so if they win both in regulation while both also to lose to Colgate, Cornell will be 11 points up with 4 games to play by each of the three. In addition Princeton is 6 points behind but has 2 games in hand.

I meant spiritually, not statistically.

Right now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).

Trotsky

Right now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).

Any word yet on Schaefer, Andreev et al?
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George64

Trotsky

Right now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).

Any word yet on Schaefer, Andreev et al?

Andreev might be back.

all it takes is one of the post shots to go in. a couple of the open nets to not be missed and a few rebound goals the other teams have gotten to bounce over a stick.. you play enough close games its gonna go the wrong way a few times for you.

Scersk '97

George64

Trotsky

Right now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).

Any word yet on Schaefer, Andreev et al?

Andreev might be back.

And Haiskanen.

Trotsky

Scersk '97

George64

Trotsky

Right now no lead is safe because we haven't proved we can win at all. At least if the team gets a couple of wins this weekend projections of minimal competence over the final 6 games will make some sense. At the moment, "if these trends continue" would project us going about 0-4-4 down the stretch (and losing all of the shootouts, naturally).

Any word yet on Schaefer, Andreev et al?

Andreev might be back.

And Haiskanen.

Not yet for Coach Schafer

Edit: Oops, that article is a week older than I thought.

Must have been interesting at Union. At 18:30 in the third it's 4-3 Union and Colgate pulls their goalie. From then till 19:41 Colgate scores an EAG, even strength and then an EN, to win 6-4.

Jim Hyla
Must have been interesting at Union. At 18:30 in the third it's 4-3 Union and Colgate pulls their goalie. From then till 19:41 Colgate scores an EAG, even strength and then an EN, to win 6-4.

It was fun to watch on ESPN+. The assistant coach was in shock in the post game interview. Worth a replay. (And Mandeville scored again in this game.)

actually a good result kinda if colgate were to win tomorrow and cornell finally gets over the hump we would be right back in good solid 4th again..

at some point that 3rd goal will go in again.

Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.

anyone know why the STL game is not listed on the cornell ticket site while Clarkson is?

upprdeck
anyone know why the STL game is not listed on the cornell ticket site while Clarkson is?

I'm not sure where you're looking... But, from what I understand to be THE Cornell Tix Site, I see the following:

Feb 18
Men's Hockey vs. St. Lawrence
Men's Ice Hockey
Lynah Rink
Friday, February 18, 2022
7:00 PM (ET)

Feb 19
Men's Hockey vs. Clarkson
Men's Ice Hockey
Lynah Rink
Saturday, February 19, 2022
7:00 PM (ET)

it just showed up.. i emailed them asking as well.. i thought maybe it was postponed for some reason.

upprdeck
it just showed up.. i emailed them asking as well.. i thought maybe it was postponed for some reason.

If cornellbigredtickets messes up and you reach out quickly by email, they will often help you out, especially if you're reasonable not irate. 2? 3? years ago (last time Cornell played hockey), I got caught in an endless loop where I used netid to identify myself and/but the site was only accepting netid for students / faculty, the site was overloaded, and eventually all the tickets were gone. At least then, they made it right.

Scersk '97
Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.

Casey had a good teacher.

ice

Scersk '97
Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.

Casey had a good teacher.

Brian McCutcheon?

Scersk '97

ice

Scersk '97
Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.

Casey had a good teacher.

Brian McCutcheon?

No, how about when he was Associate Coach under Schafer?

Are we *sure* that the US team doesn't have more Cornell guys? I watched the shootout and it looked too familiar.

Jim Hyla

Scersk '97

ice

Scersk '97
Looks like, in beating Quinnipiac, Clarkson did what we haven't been able to do for some time—pop a two-goal lead and then play defense, defense, defense.

Casey had a good teacher.

Brian McCutcheon?

No, how about when he was Associate Coach under Schafer?

This whole board seems lately to be seized by a bout of misapprehension and humorlessness.

Of course I know he was an Associate Coach! I watched him play—he was one of my favorites—and have kept track of his whole career. The joke was about McCutcheon!

To address another more directly, of course I know Stanford is the "Cornell of the West!" I did graduate from our august common alma mater, after all!

Jesus, people. Wake up.

Scersk '97
This whole board seems lately to be seized by a bout of misapprehension and humorlessness.

Lately?

Has anyone else noticed that BU, which won the Beanpot earlier this week, has not lost a game in regulation since Thanksgiving weekend?

Galajda with 28 saves as Notre Dame beats Michigan 4-1.

Cornell does much better against strong opponents than all the rest of the teams in the ECAC.

how much of the bonus for the bottom teams is from cornell playing so poorly against them too.

CU2007
Here’s something. Doesn’t the committee claim to use something similar to Pairwise but not the actual Pairwise? Is it possible if we beat a bunch of bad teams the rest of the way, coupled with others around us losing games here and there, and move up to say 7th or 8th in the polls but say a spot or two outside the Pairwise “cut off” that we get into the tourney? I’m not an expert but I thought the polls were generally pretty similar to the Pairwise and that isn’t the case this year. Maybe I’m wrong

Any such claims by the Committee were lies - and the last time they tried to claim that, was probably over 15 years ago.

adamw

CU2007
Here’s something. Doesn’t the committee claim to use something similar to Pairwise but not the actual Pairwise? Is it possible if we beat a bunch of bad teams the rest of the way, coupled with others around us losing games here and there, and move up to say 7th or 8th in the polls but say a spot or two outside the Pairwise “cut off” that we get into the tourney? I’m not an expert but I thought the polls were generally pretty similar to the Pairwise and that isn’t the case this year. Maybe I’m wrong

Any such claims by the Committee were lies - and the last time they tried to claim that, was probably over 15 years ago.

Am I that old? Guess I am.

Data blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.

Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.

marty
Data blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.

Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.

Do you believe that she intervened to make a decision in order to spite the students?

Roy 82

marty
Data blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.

Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.

Do you believe that she intervened to make a decision in order to spite the students?

The no townie rule has been effect all season. I'm exaggerating. The only fans allowed are RPI students and staff.

CU2007

Am I that old? Guess I am.

It happens to all of us.

Especially here.

marty

Roy 82

marty
Data blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.

Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.

Do you believe that she intervened to make a decision in order to spite the students?

The no townie rule has been effect all season. I'm exaggerating. The only fans allowed are RPI students and staff.

I hope she let the parents of the seniors in tonight. She let the senior football parents in the stands for the last game in the fall.

Dartmouth pulls the goalie in OT trying to get another point over Yale in the standings and loses on an empty net goal.

marty

marty

Roy 82

marty
Data blackout from Troy on CHN. Beginning of period 3. Harvard 5 , Tute 0.

Shirley Jackson has Senior Night with no fans. The witch leaves in June.

Do you believe that she intervened to make a decision in order to spite the students?

The no townie rule has been effect all season. I'm exaggerating. The only fans allowed are RPI students and staff.

I hope she let the parents of the seniors in tonight. She let the senior football parents in the stands for the last game in the fall.

They were there.

Yikes. (I do love that it lists this game as overtime).

The top 4 in the ECAC all won their games Saturday by exactly four goals. Three 4-0 scores and one 5-1. Only Harvard allowed a goal.

With 43 PIM, Niklas Allain is the regular-season conference goon.

Allain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.

The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.

cbuckser
Allain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.

The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.

As far as I'm concerned, the ECAC hasn't been the same since Matt Cooney and Steve Wilson graduated. We used to take a lot of penalties.

"This seat reserved for Dan Dufresne."

Scersk '97

cbuckser
Allain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.

The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.

As far as I'm concerned, the ECAC hasn't been the same since Matt Cooney and Steve Wilson graduated. We used to take a lot of penalties.

"This seat reserved for Dan Dufresne."

He didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.

Dafatone

Scersk '97

cbuckser
Allain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.

The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.

As far as I'm concerned, the ECAC hasn't been the same since Matt Cooney and Steve Wilson graduated. We used to take a lot of penalties.

"This seat reserved for Dan Dufresne."

He didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.

I remember O'Byrne doing that, and he often did it right, which is why he didn't take so many penalties.

The gradual "crackdown" on pinning people to the boards with one's lower body absolutely changed the game, and I think it remains a legitimate skill and is penalized improperly. As far as I'm concerned, it's not holding until you wrap arms around someone. Basically, the current way of calling it legitimizes a refusal on the part of the offensive player to move his feet, i.e., play strong with the lower body. Also, it's difficult to pin someone to the boards with your lower body if you go in high or with your stick. We should also be encouraging players to initiate checks, without tripping or kneeing of course, with their lower bodies or at least in a neutral stance, since contact that initiates with the upper body close to the boards—which goes largely uncalled, especially with regard to cross-checking—is super dangerous.

But kidney punching? Yeah, you've gotta call that.

Scersk '97

Dafatone

Scersk '97

cbuckser
Allain accumulated about 14 percent of those penalty minutes during the first period of Yale's game at Lynah Rink.

The ECAC isn't the same since Zachary Emelifeonwu graduated from Union College.

As far as I'm concerned, the ECAC hasn't been the same since Matt Cooney and Steve Wilson graduated. We used to take a lot of penalties.

"This seat reserved for Dan Dufresne."

He didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.

I remember O'Byrne doing that, and he often did it right, which is why he didn't take so many penalties.

The gradual "crackdown" on pinning people to the boards with one's lower body absolutely changed the game, and I think it remains a legitimate skill and is penalized improperly. As far as I'm concerned, it's not holding until you wrap arms around someone. Basically, the current way of calling it legitimizes a refusal on the part of the offensive player to move his feet, i.e., play strong with the lower body. Also, it's difficult to pin someone to the boards with your lower body if you go in high or with your stick. We should also be encouraging players to initiate checks, without tripping or kneeing of course, with their lower bodies or at least in a neutral stance, since contact that initiates with the upper body close to the boards—which goes largely uncalled, especially with regard to cross-checking—is super dangerous.

But kidney punching? Yeah, you've gotta call that.

Unless you did it like John Parry. when an attacking opponent would try to get by him with the puck entering the zone, he would just lower his shoulder into the attacker's chest, and slowly coast him to the boards, pinning him there.

nshapiro
Unless you did it like John Parry. when an attacking opponent would try to get by him with the puck entering the zone, he would just lower his shoulder into the attacker's chest, and slowly coast him to the boards, pinning him there.

Sounds legal to me! Of course, also seems like the check was initiated far from the boards and Parry didn't "explode through" the check or any nonsense like that.

I miss great hip checks. Jamie Papp used to dish them out. You'd get called for it these days, because they look cataclysmic. Really more like squishing someone into the boards than driving them into them.

Scersk '97
But kidney punching? Yeah, you've gotta call that.

Somebody's going to say: Why you were born with two.

Dafatone
He didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.

It was a cry for help.

Scersk '97
The gradual "crackdown" on pinning people to the boards with one's lower body absolutely changed the game, and I think it remains a legitimate skill and is penalized improperly.

It should be "2 minutes for boring as fuck."

I am so glad that is called now. There were times when guys could burn 50 seconds off a penalty pinning a puck carrier like that. It was like watching the snow fall outside the rink.

Trotsky

Scersk '97
The gradual "crackdown" on pinning people to the boards with one's lower body absolutely changed the game, and I think it remains a legitimate skill and is penalized improperly.

It should be "2 minutes for boring as fuck."

I am so glad that is called now. There were times when guys could burn 50 seconds off a penalty pinning a puck carrier like that. It was like watching the snow fall outside the rink.

You're clearly just not a fan of old-time hockey.

Trotsky

Dafatone
He didn't commit THAT many penalties in total, but about once a game, Ryan O'Byrne would lose his stick, pin a guy to the boards, and punch him in the kidneys til he got a penalty.

It was a cry for help.

+1

So now OSU will get an unplanned two-week rest while other teams compete for league honors. This "feature" of the system sucks, every year. If you can't make it through a best 2-of-3 quarterfinal, you shouldn't be in the national tournament. I don't care who it is: it sucks.

especially as they are really just a a bubble team anyway.

Scersk '97
So now OSU will get an unplanned two-week rest while other teams compete for league honors. This "feature" of the system sucks, every year. If you can't make it through a best 2-of-3 quarterfinal, you shouldn't be in the national tournament. I don't care who it is: it sucks.

At 15th, there's a fairly good chance they don't make it, isn't there?

upprdeck
especially as they are really just a a bubble team anyway.

Yeah, I just noticed that I was reading their KRACH standing instead of PWR. My bad. A couple of championship AQs will knock them out, so they're pretty unlikely to make it.

Yet, they shouldn't still be under consideration.

there is little you can do to knock them down much with the games this weekend.. So only a surprise will knock them out now. Same for cornell.. They can win but if they dont nothing else seems to really get the much above about 20 at this point.. they had chances against avg teams and didnt get it done.

upprdeck
there is little you can do to knock them down much with the games this weekend.. So only a surprise will knock them out now. Same for cornell.. They can win but if they dont nothing else seems to really get the much above about 20 at this point.. they had chances against avg teams and didnt get it done.

Anti-woof of the year.

Not great, WMU.

Per USCHO, Lindenwood to DI for 22-23 after a wild palace intrigue that included the AD either quitting or getting fired.

Lindenwood is IINM the first D1 hockey program in Missouri since the famed St. Louis Billikens dropped from the CCHA in 1979.

Trotsky
Per USCHO, Lindenwood to DI for 22-23 after a wild palace intrigue that included the AD either quitting or getting fired.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Wikipedia
Lindenwood University is a private university in St. Charles, Missouri. Founded in 1827 by George Champlin Sibley and Mary Easton Sibley as The Lindenwood School for Girls, it is the second-oldest higher-education institution west of the Mississippi River.

St. Louis suburb
92% admit rate, 28% yield
17K cost to average students
65% female
5,000 undergrads
The drone view of campus made it look like they spray a lot of fertilizer and they're on a large body of water. Correction, there's a pond. The Missouri River is a mile away.

Google -- People Also Ask
Is Lindenwood University a party school?
This is not a party school whatsoever, there are a lot of strict rules that are really outdated and dumb.

adamw

Trotsky
Per USCHO, Lindenwood to DI for 22-23 after a wild palace intrigue that included the AD either quitting or getting fired.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Wow, an executive is reported to have been fired, but he tells another reporter that he resigned to spend more time with his family.

Let me see, where have I heard that before!

Since I have no knowledge of the truth, given the choice of a reporter getting information that someone was fired versus the exec saying he retired, hmm, I'll go with fired.

RS finishes of conference finalists:

AHA  1 6
B10  1 2
CCHA 1 3
ECAC 1 3
HEA  2 4
NCHC 3 5

Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

Iceberg
Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

I guess the Mavs eventually won again.

Trotsky

Iceberg
Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

I guess the Mavs eventually won again.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

This is really the reductio ad absurdum of this video replay business. The refs had reviewed the goal, allowed it, the game was over and the trophy had even been awarded. Then the commissioner of the league, after having been shown the replay by the coach who saw it in social media, told the refs to review it again, and they waved off the goal and restarted the game. Even though the initial call (and initial replay) was "wrong", at some point you have to acknowledge the call has been made.

Apparently this violated two different rules (no review after the officials leave the ice, and no protests). Even in baseball, which allows games to be played under protest and decided by the league later, this isn't the sort of thing that can be the subject of a protest.

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

Iceberg
Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

I guess the Mavs eventually won again.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

This is really the reductio ad absurdum of this video replay business. The refs had reviewed the goal, allowed it, the game was over and the trophy had even been awarded. Then the commissioner of the league, after having been shown the replay by the coach who saw it in social media, told the refs to review it again, and they waved off the goal and restarted the game. Even though the initial call (and initial replay) was "wrong", at some point you have to acknowledge the call has been made.

Apparently this violated two different rules (no review after the officials leave the ice, and no protests). Even in baseball, which allows games to be played under protest and decided by the league later, this isn't the sort of thing that can be the subject of a protest.

In general, video replays are getting totally out-of-hand. I watched some of the NCAA wrestling championships, mostly to see Yianni and Arujua. In another match, a coach threw in the “brick.” The protest was subsequently disallowed, but not before his wrestler got some badly needed rest.

Returning to hockey, with two referees, they should be able to get penalties right without review. I would, however, like to see a requirement for all NCAA rinks to have high-resolution overhead cameras.
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George64

jtwcornell91

Trotsky

Iceberg
Some kind of bizarre situation with Mankato/Bemidji. OT goal awarded that turns out to not be a goal and the teams have already left the arena after Mankato was crowned as the CCHA conference tournament winner. Game will continue in OT at some point

I guess the Mavs eventually won again.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

This is really the reductio ad absurdum of this video replay business. The refs had reviewed the goal, allowed it, the game was over and the trophy had even been awarded. Then the commissioner of the league, after having been shown the replay by the coach who saw it in social media, told the refs to review it again, and they waved off the goal and restarted the game. Even though the initial call (and initial replay) was "wrong", at some point you have to acknowledge the call has been made.

Apparently this violated two different rules (no review after the officials leave the ice, and no protests). Even in baseball, which allows games to be played under protest and decided by the league later, this isn't the sort of thing that can be the subject of a protest.

In general, video replays are getting totally out-of-hand......

Agreed! The immeasurable with all of the review-abuse is the effects of the time spent reviewing all of these calls. That time spent, with the players just standing around waiting, can & often does change the momentum of a game. They have to cut this down profoundly!

I am perfectly fine with the following:

1. Have all the cameras you want.
2. No replays ever during the event, at stadium or on any sponsored media.
3. All decisions made real time, no review, as if the tech did not exist. Time cannot move backwards or freeze.
4. Review embargo ends 24 hours after the event ends.
5. No appeals.

Restore the enjoyment of the sport in the moment. Stop taking it seriously. Refs will fuck up; whatever.

The experience of the flow of the sport is more important than optimizing rulings. If you botch a line during a play you keep going.

So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out way to correct it.

Jim Hyla
So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

I wouldn't have reversed it a freakin' hour after everyone left.

Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out way to correct it.

I've more or less made my peace with replay reviews, but there needs to be a time limit. Frankly, I thought there was. Look at the video for, say, two minutes. If there's not "incontrovertible evidence" of a mistake, the play stands, period, full stop, that's it. If you want to protest a bad call after the game is over, go for it. But after the final buzzer sounds, that's all it is, a protest. I'd be willing to bet that, when the Bemidji State coach showed the league commissioner the video of the erroneous call, he wasn't really expecting the commish to say "Wow, you're right. Let's get the teams back out on the ice now!"

Jim Hyla
So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out way to correct it.

You can review it, after 24 hours.

If I am Bob Kane, after I get evidence of the screw up, I forfeit. That way you can have a game being experienced in realtime as a game, and the heroic act that proves we're better than everybody else.

Give My Regards

Jim Hyla
So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

I wouldn't have reversed it a freakin' hour after everyone left.

Gad -- sorry, I just realized that answer didn't make any sense. Yes, I'm OK with the decision to give up the win in the fifth down game. I would not have been OK with the Ivy League commissioner stepping in after the game ended and declaring that Cornell must give up the win. Which is sort of what commissioner Lucia did.

(Reportedly, the Ivy League commissioner at the time took note of the serious amount of abuse the fifth-down referee was getting in the days after that game, and sent him a telegram which read, "Don't let it get you down. Down. Down. Down. Down." )

Trotsky

Jim Hyla
So does this mean none of you would have reviewed the fifth down?

Frankly I'm happy with what they did. It takes it out of the hand of the other team admitting that they won illegally and then trying to figure out way to correct it.

You can review it, after 24 hours.

If I am Bob Kane, after I get evidence of the screw up, I forfeit. That way you can have a game being experienced in realtime as a game, and the heroic act that proves we're better than everybody else.

But what would you have done in this game? After 24hours it's a tie?