Grad transfers

Cam Donaldson committing to UMass for 21-22 season as a grad transfer.

[www.hockeyjournal.com]

Is there any reason for allowing grad transfers to play in new locations but not their undergrad school?

Dafatone
Is there any reason for allowing grad transfers to play in new locations but not their undergrad school?

The Ivies don't give you the same five-year span to use your four years of eligibility; you have to use them in your first four unless one's a medical redshirt, and even those are rare exceptions for which you have to apply.

Beeeej

Dafatone
Is there any reason for allowing grad transfers to play in new locations but not their undergrad school?

The Ivies don't give you the same five-year span to use your four years of eligibility; you have to use them in your first four unless one's a medical redshirt, and even those are rare exceptions for which you have to apply.

Yes, and for this bit of Ivy inspiration we can all be grateful pissed off until we cease the act of inspiration.

Beeeej

Dafatone
Is there any reason for allowing grad transfers to play in new locations but not their undergrad school?

The Ivies don't give you the same five-year span to use your four years of eligibility; you have to use them in your first four unless one's a medical redshirt, and even those are rare exceptions for which you have to apply.

Has Cam only been active for three years? Feel like it's been four. Maybe this season is the fourth and it's COVID messing everything up?

Beeeej

Dafatone
Is there any reason for allowing grad transfers to play in new locations but not their undergrad school?

The Ivies don't give you the same five-year span to use your four years of eligibility; you have to use them in your first four unless one's a medical redshirt, and even those are rare exceptions for which you have to apply.

The bigger restriction is the Ivy's strict rule against grad students playing. With Covid exceptions allowed, you can stretch things to 5-years by not graduating and then finishing academically the next year. That is what Jeff Teat was planning to do. It's a little easier in lacrosse where the season only encompasses one semester. Hockey, spanning two semesters, might make it harder to maintain undergrad status if you were close to graduation requirements.

F Tristan Mullin headed to Vermont for 2nd semester. Would have been a captain at Cornell this season. Excellent add for building program. (Mark Divver on Twitter)

Perhaps it's best to figure out who hasn't left/may be coming back next year out of what would have been the senior class. So far, I haven't seen anything about:

Betts
Locke
Haiskanen
McGrath

Did I miss a transfer? Also, none of "this year's" juniors or sophomores has left, right?

blackwidow
F Tristan Mullin headed to Vermont for 2nd semester. Would have been a captain at Cornell this season. Excellent add for building program. (Mark Divver on Twitter)

Shades of Justin Milo a decade ago, Cornell to Vermont, except Cornell would have been happy to have Mullin return. LinkedIn has Milo about to become a pediatric dentist.

Just to clarify, Mullin is moving on as a graduate transfer.

blackwidow
F Tristan Mullin headed to Vermont for 2nd semester. Would have been a captain at Cornell this season. Excellent add for building program. (Mark Divver on Twitter)

Agree. Vermont has been a really bad team for the last few years, so adding a (woulda been) senior captain coming from a consistently league-winning program is huge add for team culture alone...the talent level is a bonus.

Scersk '97
Perhaps it's best to figure out who hasn't left/may be coming back next year out of what would have been the senior class. So far, I haven't seen anything about:

Betts
Locke
Haiskanen
McGrath

Did I miss a transfer? Also, none of "this year's" juniors or sophomores has left, right?

at this point, I'm assuming none will be here next year. let's all move on, and if one does return, that'll be a surprise bonus.

abmarks

Scersk '97
Perhaps it's best to figure out who hasn't left/may be coming back next year out of what would have been the senior class. So far, I haven't seen anything about:

Betts
Locke
Haiskanen
McGrath

Did I miss a transfer? Also, none of "this year's" juniors or sophomores has left, right?

at this point, I'm assuming none will be here next year. let's all move on, and if one does return, that'll be a surprise bonus.

Between outright transfer and not being able to play anyway, yes.

We're starting over, along with 7 other ECAC teams.

abmarks

Scersk '97
Perhaps it's best to figure out who hasn't left/may be coming back next year out of what would have been the senior class. So far, I haven't seen anything about:

Betts
Locke
Haiskanen
McGrath

Did I miss a transfer? Also, none of "this year's" juniors or sophomores has left, right?

at this point, I'm assuming none will be here next year. let's all move on, and if one does return, that'll be a surprise bonus.

I like to count my surprise bonuses before they hatch. And I'll move on when I damn well please, thank you.

I know it's unrealistic to hope that any of them will return, given the hoops the Ivy League makes these kids jump through quite unnecessarily. But I'd sure be glad if one or more of them comes back.

Trotsky
We're starting over, along with 7 other ECAC teams.

No we're not; not from scratch, anyway. I'm looking forward to seeing the then sophomores as seniors, particularly Andreev; and I'm looking forward to two more (perhaps three for Stienburg) years of the then freshmen. There are other teams in this league, even some who will play this year, that would be pretty overjoyed to be rebuilding around that group.

Mullin with a pp goal and 4 pim in first game with UVM over the weekend.

Mullin gets a goal and a shout out from the coach v. Maine Friday.

"To see (Mullin) on a power play be able to climb into that spot, we worked on that exact positioning for him where he scored," Woodcroft said. "It's nice to see him get rewarded. But the physical play he brings, the fear he can put into other opponents, you know when Tristan Mullin is on the ice."

abmarks
Mullin gets a goal and a shout out from the coach v. Maine Friday.

"To see (Mullin) on a power play be able to climb into that spot, we worked on that exact positioning for him where he scored," Woodcroft said. "It's nice to see him get rewarded. But the physical play he brings, the fear he can put into other opponents, you know when Tristan Mullin is on the ice."

The ghost of Bill Cleary is smiling up from hell at the roundhouse that Ivy has thrown at Cornell. And technically he isn't even dead.

marty

abmarks
Mullin gets a goal and a shout out from the coach v. Maine Friday.

"To see (Mullin) on a power play be able to climb into that spot, we worked on that exact positioning for him where he scored," Woodcroft said. "It's nice to see him get rewarded. But the physical play he brings, the fear he can put into other opponents, you know when Tristan Mullin is on the ice."

The ghost of Bill Cleary is smiling up from hell at the roundhouse that Ivy has thrown at Cornell. And technically he isn't even dead.

What am I missing here...why Cleary since ivy wacked HVD as well obv?

The timing did hurt us the worst since we had the most to lose.

We will see in 2021-22 how big a setback this is. I suspect it is significant for all the Ivies and we won't see any Ivy in the men's top 20 until 2023 or later until at least Cornell and Harvard recover.

The rest of the Ivies might well be reduced to the status of Atlantic programs for a while. I really hope none of them drop the sport. They're all rich AF; that helps at least.

As for the women I have no idea. The Have / Have Not gulf is so big it's the equivalent of this hitting the men's game in the 60's. Cornell may just pick up and start smashing everybody again. The pedigree is everything when the level of play is so uneven.

Of course I am assuming that between the vaccines and competent governance this will be under control by October. If we lose another season...

I mean, think of what losing a season did to Vermont for the better part of the early 00s.

blackwidow
Cam Donaldson committing to UMass for 21-22 season as a grad transfer.
[www.hockeyjournal.com]

Amherst is a great college town. But the UMass campus is butt-ugly, a tribute to pumped concrete making tall buildings.

billhoward

blackwidow
Cam Donaldson committing to UMass for 21-22 season as a grad transfer.
[www.hockeyjournal.com]

Amherst is a great college town. But the UMass campus is butt-ugly, a tribute to pumped concrete making tall buildings.

SUNY Albany says "hi!"

CHN on Mullin at Vermont.

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

If this yr doesnt count and grads can play next yr , he could come back next yr if he wanted to not get on with life.

upprdeck
If this yr doesnt count and grads can play next yr , he could come back next yr if he wanted to not get on with life.

We could throw in a bonus to seal the trade.

upprdeck
If this yr doesnt count and grads can play next yr , he could come back next yr if he wanted to not get on with life.

Wouldn't he have to sit out a year? I thought that was only waved because of the pandemic.

not if he a grad student. which I assume he would be.. But I thought hockey didnt have the same rule for sitting out like fball and bball do?

upprdeck
not if he a grad student. which I assume he would be.. But I thought hockey didnt have the same rule for sitting out like fball and bball do?

I thought you had to appeal if you were an undergrad and it was only granted for reasons like "my hockey team disappeared" (Fairfield) or "my university disappeared" (Lake Forest).

IIRC Q had a couple transfers who had to sit a year. But I may well not RC.

Trotsky
I thought you had to appeal if you were an undergrad and it was only granted for reasons like "my hockey team disappeared" (Fairfield) or "my university disappeared" (Lake Forest).

Lake Forest College still exists and its men's hockey season started yesterday.
[www.goforesters.com]

Mullin with a goal in both of Vermont's losses this weekend. Ties for team lead with 4.

abmarks
Mullin with a goal in both of Vermont's losses this weekend. Ties for team lead with 4.

Urge to cry rising.

abmarks

blackwidow
F Tristan Mullin headed to Vermont for 2nd semester. Would have been a captain at Cornell this season. Excellent add for building program. (Mark Divver on Twitter)

Agree. Vermont has been a really bad team for the last few years, so adding a (woulda been) senior captain coming from a consistently league-winning program is huge add for team culture alone...the talent level is a bonus.

From this success, UVM is going the route of “targeted transfers.” CHN’s Mike McMahon reports this now includes Joe Leahy.

Hearing that UVM will be adding LSSU D William Riedell (Sr.), RPI D Cory Babichuk (Jr.) and Cornell D Joe Leahy (Jr.) for 2021-22. Those are three pretty big pieces to the blue line.

— Mike McMahon (@MikeMcMahonCHN) March 29, 2021

Leahy was good for us. Sorry to see him go but wishing him the best.

Huh.

Well, that aint good. I thought the defections would end once we were playing again. What advantage has Leahy transferring to UVM when he can play with us?

I wonder if he is looking at the Reincarnate Eight and thinking the conference will be a dumpster fire for a while. But if so, why didn't he split last summer and save the year of play?

Trotsky
Huh.

Well, that aint good. I thought the defections would end once we were playing again. What advantage has Leahy transferring to UVM when he can play with us?

I wonder if he is looking at the Reincarnate Eight and thinking the conference will be a dumpster fire for a while. But if so, why didn't he split last summer and save the year of play?

This is what I read from Coach Schafer's email a while back "Each case is unique, but the outcome so far is that seniors Matt Galdjda, Cam Donaldson and Tristan Mullin have all decided to transfer to play out their eligibility as graduate students elsewhere. In addition, two juniors, Mike Regush and Joe Leahy also decided to transfer after accelerating graduation plans because of the Ivy rule. All of these players have gone from playing a number one ranked national team to leaving the school, hockey program and the teammates that they love"

I think the advantage is, he could potentially play for Vermont for 2 seasons back to back, whereas if he had stayed at Cornell, he would just play one more season and sit out for a year and play one more year of college hockey elsewhere? Did i get the NCAA rule right???

blackwidow
I think the advantage is, he could potentially play for Vermont for 2 seasons back to back, whereas if he had stayed at Cornell, he would just play one more season and sit out for a year and play one more year of college hockey elsewhere? Did i get the NCAA rule right???

I thought (and I could be wrong) that if the Ivies cock-blocked you from playing as a grad student the one year transfer waiting period was dropped.

Trotsky

blackwidow
I think the advantage is, he could potentially play for Vermont for 2 seasons back to back, whereas if he had stayed at Cornell, he would just play one more season and sit out for a year and play one more year of college hockey elsewhere? Did i get the NCAA rule right???

I thought (and I could be wrong) that if the Ivies cock-blocked you from playing as a grad student the one year transfer waiting period was dropped.

i think that is correct - no waiting period after graduation

ugarte

Trotsky

blackwidow
I think the advantage is, he could potentially play for Vermont for 2 seasons back to back, whereas if he had stayed at Cornell, he would just play one more season and sit out for a year and play one more year of college hockey elsewhere? Did i get the NCAA rule right???

I thought (and I could be wrong) that if the Ivies cock-blocked you from playing as a grad student the one year transfer waiting period was dropped.

i think that is correct - no waiting period after graduation

Playing for one more season at Cornell means one more year of tuition though. I wonder if money was a factor. (It's a lot of money)

blackwidow

ugarte

Trotsky

blackwidow
I think the advantage is, he could potentially play for Vermont for 2 seasons back to back, whereas if he had stayed at Cornell, he would just play one more season and sit out for a year and play one more year of college hockey elsewhere? Did i get the NCAA rule right???

I thought (and I could be wrong) that if the Ivies cock-blocked you from playing as a grad student the one year transfer waiting period was dropped.

i think that is correct - no waiting period after graduation

Playing for one more season at Cornell means one more year of tuition though. I wonder if money was a factor. (It's a lot of money)

If you can get your degree in 3 years at Cornell and play another season on partial/full scholarship somewhere else, seems like a good move.

Weder
If you can get your degree in 3 years at Cornell and play another season on partial/full scholarship somewhere else, seems like a good move.

Think of all the great Collegetown bars you'll no longer have nearby.

Galajda going to Notre Dame.

dbilmes
Galajda going to Notre Dame.

This reality was coming. Reality bites.

We might as well face a complete reboot. We will recover, but it could take a few years. Until then, hockey is fun to watch anyway, and we are going to have a hell of a struggle just restoring the Lynah Faithful and implanting some sense of the specialness of the experience in the undergrads. The traditions -- well, they will create their own new traditions. Hopefully it won't just be an NHL crowd sitting on its hands waiting for something to happen as in most college barns. Cheel destroyed the Clarkson students. It can happen.

Very few of the students who come next year will have much if any experience at Lynah. Hopefully the alumni a little closer in age than we old farts can take some time to prevent Forever September destroying a fine 55-year tradition.

Maybe this will kill Remote Control Goalie, anyway. And FFS take every song older than 1990 out of the band repertoire expect Sing Sing Sing. Gen Z or whatever they are don't deserve warmed over Boomer dreck. Throw some Lil Jon in there or some such. Shit, even he's 50. DaBâby? I dunno. Drake if Drake didn't suck.

So McGrath next fall?

Free yr for him vs pay to play..

Trotsky
And FFS take every song older than 1990 out of the band repertoire expect Sing Sing Sing. Gen Z or whatever they are don't deserve warmed over Boomer dreck.

You are wrong, but that's OK because they won't listen to you anyway. Hell, they don't listen to us.

As for what GenZ deserves? Some time without masks on their faces, just like all of us deserve. My probably vain hope is that they come out of this eager to make human connections with people without technological intermediaries getting in the way.

A letter from Matthew Galajda. #ThankYou35 pic.twitter.com/M8DaoWhfii

— Cornell Hockey (@CUBigRedHockey) April 7, 2021

Scersk '97
You are wrong, but that's OK because they won't listen to you anyway.

I should hope not.

"If your parents don't hate your music you are doing it wrong." -- Iggy Pop

Here’s a pretty amazing picture of the chaos. The Grand Forks Herald has put together a list of all the transfers.

[www.grandforksherald.com]

RichH
Here’s a pretty amazing picture of the chaos. The Grand Forks Herald has put together a list of all the transfers.

[www.grandforksherald.com]

What are the chances that we add some of these players?

dbilmes

RichH
Here’s a pretty amazing picture of the chaos. The Grand Forks Herald has put together a list of all the transfers.

[www.grandforksherald.com]

What are the chances that we add some of these players?

I mean...if we just add EVERY player on that list, that means they can't play for anyone else, right??!!?

RichH

dbilmes

RichH
Here’s a pretty amazing picture of the chaos. The Grand Forks Herald has put together a list of all the transfers.

[www.grandforksherald.com]

What are the chances that we add some of these players?

I mean...if we just add EVERY player on that list, that means they can't play for anyone else, right??!!?

If we add every person then all the opponents have to forfeit.

dbilmes

RichH
Here’s a pretty amazing picture of the chaos. The Grand Forks Herald has put together a list of all the transfers.

[www.grandforksherald.com]

What are the chances that we add some of these players?

I thought kids went into the portal when they had somebody lined up, so the announcement was simultaneous with them announcing where they were going.

I still have no idea why kids are moving from Cornell (really, from anywhere) for 2021-22. It is assumed everyone will be back playing. I get the ice flight of 2020-21 but why now? If somebody graduates and goes to grad school that's not a transfer portal it's just an incoming player. So if you have eligibility left at your current program, why leave?

Trotsky

dbilmes

RichH
Here’s a pretty amazing picture of the chaos. The Grand Forks Herald has put together a list of all the transfers.

[www.grandforksherald.com]

What are the chances that we add some of these players?

I thought kids went into the portal when they had somebody lined up, so the announcement was simultaneous with them announcing where they were going.

I still have no idea why kids are moving from Cornell (really, from anywhere) for 2021-22. It is assumed everyone will be back playing. I get the ice flight of 2020-21 but why now? If somebody graduates and goes to grad school that's not a transfer portal it's just an incoming player. So if you have eligibility left at your current program, why leave?

If I had to guess, maybe they would be concerned a program that missed a season wouldn't have the same momentum as one that did not, so time to get while the getting is good. Sorta like Vermont after the, you know, thing.

French Rage

Trotsky

dbilmes

RichH
Here’s a pretty amazing picture of the chaos. The Grand Forks Herald has put together a list of all the transfers.

[www.grandforksherald.com]

What are the chances that we add some of these players?

I thought kids went into the portal when they had somebody lined up, so the announcement was simultaneous with them announcing where they were going.

I still have no idea why kids are moving from Cornell (really, from anywhere) for 2021-22. It is assumed everyone will be back playing. I get the ice flight of 2020-21 but why now? If somebody graduates and goes to grad school that's not a transfer portal it's just an incoming player. So if you have eligibility left at your current program, why leave?

If I had to guess, maybe they would be concerned a program that missed a season wouldn't have the same momentum as one that did not, so time to get while the getting is good. Sorta like Vermont after the, you know, thing.

If that's true then recruiting should be in shit shape too. But we certainly seem to be getting our share of good guys coming in (all eleventy-million of them).

Trotsky

French Rage

Trotsky

dbilmes

RichH
Here’s a pretty amazing picture of the chaos. The Grand Forks Herald has put together a list of all the transfers.

[www.grandforksherald.com]

What are the chances that we add some of these players?

I thought kids went into the portal when they had somebody lined up, so the announcement was simultaneous with them announcing where they were going.

I still have no idea why kids are moving from Cornell (really, from anywhere) for 2021-22. It is assumed everyone will be back playing. I get the ice flight of 2020-21 but why now? If somebody graduates and goes to grad school that's not a transfer portal it's just an incoming player. So if you have eligibility left at your current program, why leave?

If I had to guess, maybe they would be concerned a program that missed a season wouldn't have the same momentum as one that did not, so time to get while the getting is good. Sorta like Vermont after the, you know, thing.

If that's true then recruiting should be in shit shape too. But we certainly seem to be getting our share of good guys coming in (all eleventy-million of them).

My guess is it has something to do with transfers and NCAA eligibility that may tighten once the Covid window closes, but that's just a guess.

it could as simple as money. every sr who transfers get another yr free if they . some get to play 5 yr instead of 4.

jrs who transferred get 2 more yr for free instead of paying for 4 at cornell and playing 3.

And for all of it we still dont know if the ivies will play next yr.. I would says it really likely but its not 100%..

the ivies business model for sports its pretty flawed. they could have teams of 5th yr players and push them away.. and they have none of the roster issues the other schools have.

Galajda said he couldn’t afford to come back and play another year at Cornell.

A letter from Matthew Galajda. #ThankYou35 pic.twitter.com/M8DaoWhfii

— Cornell Hockey (@CUBigRedHockey) April 7, 2021

I thought we were subsidizing the Poors now?

Guess we're not as generous as HYP. Damn (((Day Hall))), with their soft hands from counting money...

Trotsky
I thought we were subsidizing the Poors now?

Guess we're not as generous as HYP. Damn (((Day Hall))), with their soft hands from counting money...

I'd guess that the financial aid formula is completely different for international grad students.

Its not very good for any family in the middle class at most colleges.

upprdeck
Its not very good for any family in the middle class at most colleges.

My (no doubt completely erroneous) impression was Princeton finally just bit the bullet and filled the donut hole a few years ago. "Fuck it. There will be two classes of students: kids who deserve to be here who come for free and rich assholes' short bus droppings who will buy their credential at an utterly INSANE cost."

75% Richard Feynman, 25% Jared Kushner.

PU could do that because they shit money in their sleep. Harvard, Yale, and Stanford can do it too. Everybody else has to either be more modest or have a larger contingent of useless rich fucks cluttering campus.

But I thought we'd gotten a lot better. I guess maybe not?

I am always amazed at the value of the cars driving in the parking lots, compared to the lots where the employees park

upprdeck
I am always amazed at the value of the cars driving in the parking lots, compared to the lots where the employees park

We've always been SATs + Parents' Income = Admissions Score, same as the Feeble Four. Hopefully we've been a little better what with the motto in English and the SUNY Ithaca working class hero land grant bullshit, but I met plenty of Fellow Kids as an undergrad from the best prep schools who couldn't find their ass with their nanny's two hands and a map.

Trotsky
There will be two classes of students: kids who deserve to be here who come for free and rich assholes' short bus droppings who will buy their credential at an utterly INSANE cost . . . 25% Jared Kushner.

In addition to tuition, at least Harvard got $2.5 million from Kushner’s felon father. Meanwhile, the spawn of a self-proclaimed billionaire got into Penn. I suppose that Penn thought it might get a building, or at least an endowed professorship, but they got nothing but acute embarrassment. They should have talked, beforehand, to some of the contractors that he stiffed.

George64

Trotsky
There will be two classes of students: kids who deserve to be here who come for free and rich assholes' short bus droppings who will buy their credential at an utterly INSANE cost . . . 25% Jared Kushner.

In addition to tuition, at least Harvard got $2.5 million from Kushner’s felon father. Meanwhile, the spawn of a self-proclaimed billionaire got into Penn. I suppose that Penn thought it might get a building, or at least an endowed professorship, but they got nothing but acute embarrassment. They should have talked, beforehand, to some of the contractors that he stiffed.

Did Junior go to the real Penn or the Wharton knock off degree mill daddy did?

I've actually got some respect for Penn as the other Ivy with at least a passing acquaintance with American egalitarian ideals. They are also one of the two Ivies (with Columbia) that unironically admits black people.

Trotsky
Did Junior go to the real Penn or the Wharton knock off degree mill daddy did?

Junior and Barbie went to Wharton, the rarely-mentioned one was an Artsy, Eric went to Georgetown.

upprdeck
Its not very good for any family in the middle class at most colleges.

Blatant generalization here, but given the extra equipment and such needed I would think hockey prospects would come from higher income families than, say, basketball or football, which might put them out of the extra assistance but below Ivy tuition being a drop in the bucket.

Trotsky

George64

Trotsky
There will be two classes of students: kids who deserve to be here who come for free and rich assholes' short bus droppings who will buy their credential at an utterly INSANE cost . . . 25% Jared Kushner.

In addition to tuition, at least Harvard got $2.5 million from Kushner’s felon father. Meanwhile, the spawn of a self-proclaimed billionaire got into Penn. I suppose that Penn thought it might get a building, or at least an endowed professorship, but they got nothing but acute embarrassment. They should have talked, beforehand, to some of the contractors that he stiffed.

Did Junior go to the real Penn or the Wharton knock off degree mill daddy did?

I've actually got some respect for Penn as the other Ivy with at least a passing acquaintance with American egalitarian ideals. They are also one of the two Ivies (with Columbia) that unironically admits black people.

If they don't have a hockey team, they don't count.

Trotsky

upprdeck
I am always amazed at the value of the cars driving in the parking lots, compared to the lots where the employees park

We've always been SATs + Parents' Income = Admissions Score, same as the Feeble Four. Hopefully we've been a little better what with the motto in English and the SUNY Ithaca working class hero land grant bullshit, but I met plenty of Fellow Kids as an undergrad from the best prep schools who couldn't find their ass with their nanny's two hands and a map.

Yep. Nothing this kid from a public high school in East Tennessee loved more than setting the curve on a bunch of Choaties. Small solace knowing that my lifetime earnings will be less than their trust funds, but I‘ll take what I can get.

Robb

Trotsky

upprdeck
I am always amazed at the value of the cars driving in the parking lots, compared to the lots where the employees park

We've always been SATs + Parents' Income = Admissions Score, same as the Feeble Four. Hopefully we've been a little better what with the motto in English and the SUNY Ithaca working class hero land grant bullshit, but I met plenty of Fellow Kids as an undergrad from the best prep schools who couldn't find their ass with their nanny's two hands and a map.

Yep. Nothing this kid from a public high school in East Tennessee loved more than setting the curve on a bunch of Choaties. Small solace knowing that my lifetime earnings will be less than their trust funds, but I‘ll take what I can get.

1. Study hard.

2. Marry well.

The academic decisions of universities [hopefully] rest upon the same criteria as do the athletic decisions of universities: identify the most gifted and promising athletes or scholars, recruit them, and lead them to succeed. No university ever went broke graduating too many exceptional athletes

Trotsky

Robb

Trotsky

upprdeck
I am always amazed at the value of the cars driving in the parking lots, compared to the lots where the employees park

We've always been SATs + Parents' Income = Admissions Score, same as the Feeble Four. Hopefully we've been a little better what with the motto in English and the SUNY Ithaca working class hero land grant bullshit, but I met plenty of Fellow Kids as an undergrad from the best prep schools who couldn't find their ass with their nanny's two hands and a map.

Yep. Nothing this kid from a public high school in East Tennessee loved more than setting the curve on a bunch of Choaties. Small solace knowing that my lifetime earnings will be less than their trust funds, but I‘ll take what I can get.

1. Study hard.

2. Marry well.

(Sorted chronologically, not by importance)

Robb
1. Study hard.

2. Marry well.

(Sorted chronologically, not by importance)[/quote]

Correct.

Kiss A**.

osorojo
Kiss A**.

Be the ass, Danny.