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Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021

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Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: November 10, 2020 07:28AM

It's a new season (at least on the calendar) so we should have a new thread.

 
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Justin Krueger now with Lausanne HC
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: November 10, 2020 07:35AM

jtwcornell91
So I just learned (via a facebook farewell message from the team) that Justin Krueger's time with SC Bern is at an end. Apparently they announced back November that they wouldn't be renewing his contract after this season. Apparently he's still a free agent. Here's a recent article (in German) [www.blick.ch] "Papa Ralph helps SCB Defenseman Krueger on the job hunt". Some highlights: Justin Krueger played eight years for SCB and won three Swiss Championships, including last year. "My heart belongs to Bern" he says, but as the article points out, his future is elsewhere. With the NHL suspended, Sabres coach Ralph Krueger is acting as his son's agent, and he's in talks with two or three teams in Switzerland. There's no talk of moving to Germany, so Siddharth and I will have to shelve our fantasies of him playing for Löwen Frankfurt or Adler Mannheim. Justin and his wife Eva have two kids now, including a two-year-old daughter with (according to her father) a mean slapshot.

It seems Justin Krueger has crossed the Röstigraben and is now playing for Lausanne HC of the National League, the top professional league in Switzerland: [lausannehc.ch] They've been playing in Switzerland before reduced capacities for a month or so, although they've now switched to ghost games with the onslaught of the second wave of COVID-19 in Europe.

 
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/10/2020 07:35AM by jtwcornell91.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: December 20, 2020 10:30AM

Forever Blueshirts on Morgan Barron
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: December 20, 2020 10:58PM

George64
Forever Blueshirts on Morgan Barron
Painful writing.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 23, 2020 01:17PM

As I read it, Barron is pretty good and has great promise. But he may not be good enough to play even fourth line wing. Except maybe the Rangers should trade him except some people say Barron is pretty good and has a lot of promise and he's cheaper, currently, than some other Rangers but it's too bad he's not a center, except maybe he could be.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: December 28, 2020 08:29PM

Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: nmcorm83 (---.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Date: January 12, 2021 09:53AM

I'm guessing Morgan Barron is not going to play opening night, but scroll down to see the Ranger coach's take on him: [nypost.com]
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 13, 2021 05:53PM

nmcorm83
I'm guessing Morgan Barron is not going to play opening night, but scroll down to see the Ranger coach's take on him: [nypost.com]

He didn’t make the active roster, but was assigned to the NYR taxi squad, rather than sent to Hartford (AHL).
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: January 13, 2021 06:25PM

I didnt realize that Mark Jankoswki who scored first goal for Pens tonight

His dad Len played for Cornell 78-82
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 13, 2021 08:27PM

Cole Bardreau waived by the Islanders.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: blackwidow (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 19, 2021 08:38PM

Joel Lowry now in Germany playing with Jake Weidner
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: January 20, 2021 05:27PM

blackwidow
Joel Lowry now in Germany playing with Jake Weidner

Weidner and Cornell get a shoutout in the German press release: [iserlohn-roosters.de]

Iserlohn plays in the top-level DEL, where they finished 13th out of 14 teams last season. I haven't paid much attention to them this year, since the DEL is split into divisions because of the pandemic, and Iserlohn is in the North while Mannheim is in the South. (Frankfurt plays in the second-tier DEL2, although they aspire to be promoted soon.)

 
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Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: dbilmes (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: February 08, 2021 02:55PM

Here's a nice video of Matt Moulson. It's guaranteed to bring a smile to your face!
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: February 15, 2021 09:38AM

Jacob MacDonald '15 played 19 min. 41 sec. at D for the Avalanche last night. He's now played in 3 games. Both Cale Makar and Erik Johnson were out with injuries, so we'll see if Jacob can stay in the lineup when they return. For a guy who could hardly get much playing time his freshmen year, he's come a long way.

 
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Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: February 21, 2021 03:18PM

Now this is an absolute snipe. Not sure how he even thought it could go in.

?s=20
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: February 21, 2021 03:45PM

Barron scored his 2nd of the season today in a loss to Providence. He now has 2G, 1A in 4 games.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 27, 2021 07:58PM

Anthony Angello in the lineup tonight for the Pens vs. the Islanders, his first game of the season.

 
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Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 27, 2021 09:17PM

May he score 6 in a loss.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 27, 2021 11:02PM

Jacob MacDonald with a wrap around goal tonight for the Avs.
[ca.sports.yahoo.com]

 
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Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-198-67.myvzw.com)
Date: February 28, 2021 10:34AM

jkahn
Anthony Angello in the lineup tonight for the Pens vs. the Islanders, his first game of the season.

I missed the game, but it looks like Angello had about 9 minutes on the ice and led the team in hits. Good way to get noticed. Also got a bunch of power play time.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 28, 2021 09:59PM

got in the game against the isles again today. 6:57 with a shot and a hit and a little time on the PP again.

 
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 02, 2021 10:37AM

i had to shame them into this but they didn't act ashamed or even put it on the main timeline



 
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jkahn (---.73.146.216.biz.sta.networkgci.net)
Date: March 02, 2021 01:31PM

ugarte
i had to shame them into this but they didn't act ashamed or even put it on the main timeline


He did play several games last season, and even scored a goal.

 
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Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: French Rage (104.129.202.---)
Date: March 02, 2021 01:32PM

jkahn
ugarte
i had to shame them into this but they didn't act ashamed or even put it on the main timeline


He did play several games last season, and even scored a goal.

Well to be fair the image doesn't specify a date.

 
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Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 02, 2021 06:03PM

ugarte
i had to shame them into this but they didn't act ashamed or even put it on the main timeline

I'm not even on Tinder.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2021 06:04PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 02, 2021 07:56PM

French Rage
jkahn
ugarte
i had to shame them into this but they didn't act ashamed or even put it on the main timeline


He did play several games last season, and even scored a goal.

Well to be fair the image doesn't specify a date.
well, i ... gotta go

 
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 02, 2021 08:52PM

Barron with a PP goal for Hartford in a 4-2 loss. Now with 3G, 2A in 6 games.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 10, 2021 10:07PM

Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Swampy (8.9.230.---)
Date: March 11, 2021 08:55PM


Cool. Great to see the press being so generous.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 11, 2021 09:11PM



 
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 25, 2021 05:34AM

Had a Matt Moulson sighting last night. He was playing for Hershey against the LV Phantoms. The announcers noted that he's played over 1000 pro games!
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: underskill (204.194.190.---)
Date: March 25, 2021 08:37AM

Meet the Abbotts: Twin brothers who are climbing the hockey ladder together

[theathletic.com]
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 25, 2021 10:20AM

underskill
Meet the Abbotts: Twin brothers who are climbing the hockey ladder together

[theathletic.com]

Paywall.

 
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: underskill (204.194.190.---)
Date: March 25, 2021 10:24AM

Beeeej
underskill
Meet the Abbotts: Twin brothers who are climbing the hockey ladder together

[theathletic.com]

Paywall.

Lots of quotes from Schaefer
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 25, 2021 10:41AM

underskill
Beeeej
underskill
Meet the Abbotts: Twin brothers who are climbing the hockey ladder together

[theathletic.com]

Paywall.

Lots of quotes from Schaefer


 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: March 27, 2021 12:28AM

Beeeej
underskill
Meet the Abbotts: Twin brothers who are climbing the hockey ladder together

[theathletic.com]

Paywall.

7 day free trial
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 29, 2021 07:46PM

Angello with a power play goal for the Pens against the Islanders.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 04, 2021 06:51PM

Nice article about Jacob MacDonald, who has settled into the lineup for a stacked Avalanche team. He showed about as much career improvement during his time at Cornell as anyone I can recall.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: April 05, 2021 02:36PM

I was just watching the KHL semifinal between Ak Bars Kazan and Avangard Omsk, and noticed Kirill Gotovets playing for Avangard. Turns out he had a goal in the first game of the series, and another tonight.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2021 07:01PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jkahn (---.73.146.216.biz.sta.networkgci.net)
Date: April 13, 2021 03:23PM

Riley Nash was traded to the Leafs yesterday.
[editorinleaf.com]

 
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Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: April 23, 2021 09:00PM

Swampy

Cool. Great to see the press being so generous.

A crucial Rangers experiment is just getting started

[apple.news]


....Promising to further complicate the picture, the Rangers also have four recalls remaining. At least one more, if not all, will probably be used within the remaining eight games after Friday’s matchup with the Flyers.

The first in line likely will be Morgan Barron, the 6-foot-4 center out of Cornell, who has 18 points (10 goals, eight assists) in 19 games with Hartford this season.

“I think Morgan has played extremely well,” general manager Jeff Gorton said during his trade-deadline press conference. “We’re hopeful to get him an opportunity or anybody that deserves it down there. We’ll keep him down there for now, see how he does, but he’s certainly opened our eyes with what he’s done, so we’re looking at that, along with some other players down there, too.”
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: coz (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: April 24, 2021 05:49PM

Malott and Barron are 1st and 3rd in the AHL in goals amongst Rookies.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: April 30, 2021 05:25PM

Rangers called up Barron
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2021 10:51AM

Weder
Rangers called up Barron

FB link
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: abmarks (107.242.117.---)
Date: May 05, 2021 02:07AM

?s=19
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: May 05, 2021 09:57PM

Congrats to Morgan Barron, who scored his first NHL goal in Rangers’ 4-2 loss to the Caps.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: May 05, 2021 11:07PM

jeff '84
Congrats to Morgan Barron, who scored his first NHL goal in Rangers’ 4-2 loss to the Caps.

video here
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: arugula (38.109.75.---)
Date: May 06, 2021 11:50AM

He also tried to drop the gloves with Oshie, but Oshie begged off.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: The Rancor (73.93.141.---)
Date: May 06, 2021 02:20PM

I haven't watched any NHL this year... the Chase logo on the helmets bugs me.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: May 06, 2021 04:15PM

The Rancor
I haven't watched any NHL this year... the Chase logo on the helmets bugs me.

I've barely noticed them
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: May 06, 2021 04:38PM

scoop85
The Rancor
I haven't watched any NHL this year... the Chase logo on the helmets bugs me.

I've barely noticed them

I had to look up the logo on the Flyers' helmets. It was some company I've never heard of.

Whatever.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: May 06, 2021 05:37PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
scoop85
The Rancor
I haven't watched any NHL this year... the Chase logo on the helmets bugs me.

I've barely noticed them

I had to look up the logo on the Flyers' helmets. It was some company I've never heard of.

Whatever.

So the ad worked?
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: May 06, 2021 08:37PM

Weder
Jeff Hopkins '82
scoop85
The Rancor
I haven't watched any NHL this year... the Chase logo on the helmets bugs me.

I've barely noticed them

I had to look up the logo on the Flyers' helmets. It was some company I've never heard of.

Whatever.

So the ad worked?

Yes and no.

Yes, I looked it up, and no, I've since forgotten it. whistle
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: arugula (38.109.75.---)
Date: May 07, 2021 11:51AM

More on Barron from the Athletic:


Speaking of value, in terms of bang for buck, Barron has provided that through the first four NHL games of his career. He promised he would bring the bang, and he has, especially against Washington, where he seemed to be short-credited with three hits and dropped his gloves with T.J. Oshie, who wasn’t interested. His four games have come against big teams, and the last three have been impressive. I don’t see any way — barring a trade that involves him — that he’s not on the next opening-night roster. Even when he just bumps guys, they stay bumped.

“I want to be a physical presence,” Barron said. “That game (Wednesday against Washington) was definitely a physical game to get my feet wet. I’m just trying to go out there and finish my hits, and whatever happens after that happens. That’s something the coaches have talked about, just going out there and being physical, finishing checks on the forecheck. That’s ultimately going to lead to turnovers and creating opportunities off of that. … I think that’s going to be a crucial part of any game, especially if you watch playoff hockey. Almost every team that’s successful has guys going in there and almost up and down the lineup has guys finishing hits. I think if that’s something I can bring to my game, it’s going to help elevate me to the next level.”

Barron also scored his first NHL goal Wednesday.

“Definitely a little bit bittersweet,” he said. “To get that goal is exciting. It’s something you work towards for a long time. Just to get in the NHL and score a goal is exciting. It came a few minutes too late in the game … but just to get that milestone checked off and get back to work today was a good feeling, for sure.”

“I just like the way Morgan goes about his business,” Quinn said before the game. “I think he’s a guy that understands his role, he understands what his abilities are, he can skate, he’s hard on the puck, and he’s not intimidated. So a lot of good signs that he’s shown so far.”
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: blackwidow (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 17, 2021 12:17PM

Bardreau called up to the Islanders for the playoffs.

[www.google.com]
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: May 17, 2021 12:44PM

blackwidow
Bardreau called up to the Islanders for the playoffs.

[www.google.com]

Makes sense. The AHL season ended yesterday.

Go Cole. Beat the Pens!
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: May 17, 2021 12:58PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Bardreau called up to the Islanders for the playoffs.

[www.google.com]

Makes sense. The AHL season ended yesterday.

Go Cole. Beat the Pens!

...except that article is from last Tuesday, and Cole didn't get any ice time yesterday. But maybe he'll get the nod soon.

 
___________________________
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 17, 2021 01:46PM

Beeeej
Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Bardreau called up to the Islanders for the playoffs.

[www.google.com]

Makes sense. The AHL season ended yesterday.

Go Cole. Beat the Pens!

...except that article is from last Tuesday, and Cole didn't get any ice time yesterday. But maybe he'll get the nod soon.
He was not on the roster as of yesterday; maybe there was a problem with his call-up?

I'd love him to get TOI.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date: May 17, 2021 02:15PM

Trotsky
Beeeej
Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Bardreau called up to the Islanders for the playoffs.

[www.google.com]

Makes sense. The AHL season ended yesterday.

Go Cole. Beat the Pens!

...except that article is from last Tuesday, and Cole didn't get any ice time yesterday. But maybe he'll get the nod soon.
He was not on the roster as of yesterday; maybe there was a problem with his call-up?

I'd love him to get TOI.

He's not mentioned on this ECAC tweet either They obviously tried to pad the list including RPI's Jeremy Coupal who played a total of one game on the varsity and now is a video coordinator. They also state that 12 teams are represented, and I don't see a certain school in Schenectady.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: May 17, 2021 03:11PM

ursusminor
Trotsky
Beeeej
Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Bardreau called up to the Islanders for the playoffs.

[www.google.com]

Makes sense. The AHL season ended yesterday.

Go Cole. Beat the Pens!

...except that article is from last Tuesday, and Cole didn't get any ice time yesterday. But maybe he'll get the nod soon.
He was not on the roster as of yesterday; maybe there was a problem with his call-up?

I'd love him to get TOI.

He's not mentioned on this ECAC tweet either They obviously tried to pad the list including RPI's Jeremy Coupal who played a total of one game on the varsity and now is a video coordinator. They also state that 12 teams are represented, and I don't see a certain school in Schenectady.

He's on the team's roster webpage, but I don't know how official that is.

[www.nhl.com]

 
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Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/17/2021 03:11PM by Beeeej.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: May 19, 2021 04:26PM

Beeeej
ursusminor
Trotsky
Beeeej
Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Bardreau called up to the Islanders for the playoffs.

[www.google.com]

Makes sense. The AHL season ended yesterday.

Go Cole. Beat the Pens!

...except that article is from last Tuesday, and Cole didn't get any ice time yesterday. But maybe he'll get the nod soon.
He was not on the roster as of yesterday; maybe there was a problem with his call-up?

I'd love him to get TOI.

He's not mentioned on this ECAC tweet either They obviously tried to pad the list including RPI's Jeremy Coupal who played a total of one game on the varsity and now is a video coordinator. They also state that 12 teams are represented, and I don't see a certain school in Schenectady.

He's on the team's roster webpage, but I don't know how official that is.

[www.nhl.com]
Bardreau is eligible to play, but 24 forwards are. With many who have played this year having been healthy scratches recently (Zajac, Bellows, Dal Colle, Johnston), it's not likely he's in the first 16 from which to choose 12.

 
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Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: June 03, 2021 01:17AM

Malott inks 2way deal with winnipeg

[cornellbigred.com]
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: sah67 (185.187.243.---)
Date: July 07, 2021 06:33PM

Congrats to Mike Garman on being named GM of the Chicago Steel (USHL):
[www.chicagosteelhockeyteam.com]
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: July 08, 2021 10:24AM

So, what's the full list of alumni who played at least 1 game in the NHL this year?

COL 1-8-9 Jacob MacDonald
CBJ 2-5-7 Riley Nash
PIT 2-2-4 Anthony Angello
NYR 1-0-1 Morgan Barron
CAR 0-0-0 Joakim Ryan

No goalies?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/08/2021 10:24AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: July 08, 2021 02:28PM

Trotsky
So, what's the full list of alumni who played at least 1 game in the NHL this year?

COL 1-8-9 Jacob MacDonald
CBJ 2-5-7 Riley Nash
PIT 2-2-4 Anthony Angello
NYR 1-0-1 Morgan Barron
CAR 0-0-0 Joakim Ryan

No goalies?

The NHL has a thing for tall goalies. Our goalies, while excellent, don't meet the height limit to ride the roller coaster.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: July 08, 2021 03:01PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
So, what's the full list of alumni who played at least 1 game in the NHL this year?

COL 1-8-9 Jacob MacDonald
CBJ 2-5-7 Riley Nash
PIT 2-2-4 Anthony Angello
NYR 1-0-1 Morgan Barron
CAR 0-0-0 Joakim Ryan

No goalies?

The NHL has a thing for tall goalies. Our goalies, while excellent, don't meet the height limit to ride the roller coaster.

Which reminds me, apropos of nothing in particular - after watching "Miracle" for the eleventy-hundredth time this weekend, dss28 and I tracked down the actual 1980 broadcast of the US vs. USSR medal round game and watched the entire thing. The few snippets we got of Ken Dryden in the Disney film were not an aberration - he was a Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad™ color commentator. Just awful. It's no wonder nobody hired him to do it again.

That said, he was one of the all-time great goaltenders, and a very nice guy when I met him. But UGH.

 
___________________________
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: RichH (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: July 08, 2021 11:05PM

Beeeej

Which reminds me, apropos of nothing in particular - after watching "Miracle" for the eleventy-hundredth time this weekend, dss28 and I tracked down the actual 1980 broadcast of the US vs. USSR medal round game and watched the entire thing. The few snippets we got of Ken Dryden in the Disney film were not an aberration - he was a Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad™ color commentator. Just awful. It's no wonder nobody hired him to do it again.

That said, he was one of the all-time great goaltenders, and a very nice guy when I met him. But UGH.

It takes a special kind of bad color commentating performance to bust in and clomp all over one of the greatest, most poetic, and most quoted play-by-play calls of all time. I hear Ken's clumsy "unbe-LEEEV-uble" at the end of Al Michaels exalting "YES!" every. single. time.

And those tight smurf-blue turtlenecks. At least that was decidedly not Ken's fault.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: July 09, 2021 10:40AM

Wayne Gretzky is not a very good bridge player either. So?
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: July 09, 2021 10:58AM

osorojo
Wayne Gretzky is not a very good bridge player either. So?

No, but he seems to be excellent at peeing in your corn flakes.

 
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: July 12, 2021 04:41PM

Some say Dryden's political career plateaued because he was not considered a charismatic speaker. But he had other talent.s
 
Riley Nash
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: July 31, 2021 06:51PM

Riley Nash signed a 1-year contract with the Jets.
[www.nhl.com]

 
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Re: Riley Nash
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: July 31, 2021 07:55PM

jkahn
Riley Nash signed a 1-year contract with the Jets.
[www.nhl.com]
QB?
 
Re: Riley Nash
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: July 31, 2021 10:21PM

Trotsky
jkahn
Riley Nash signed a 1-year contract with the Jets.
[www.nhl.com]
QB?

Gotta be better than what they have.cheer
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: August 03, 2021 03:04PM

My point exactly.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 20, 2021 08:43PM

Not gonna start a new thread.

Just watched the third period of the Canada - Finland women's game. Brianne Jenner with the empty netter to clinch Canada's 5-3 win and also an assist on the 3rd goal. Rebecca Johnston and Jill Saulnier got ice time, but didn't score (I believe).

Jamie Bourbonnais and Micah Zandee-Hart also on the roster, but I think they were healthy scratches
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: blackwidow (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: August 20, 2021 09:44PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Not gonna start a new thread.

Just watched the third period of the Canada - Finland women's game. Brianne Jenner with the empty netter to clinch Canada's 5-3 win and also an assist on the 3rd goal. Rebecca Johnston and Jill Saulnier got ice time, but didn't score (I believe).

Jamie Bourbonnais and Micah Zandee-Hart also on the roster, but I think they were healthy scratches

Micah i think is injured and technically no longer part of the roater for the tournament but still in contention for the olympic team roster. Bourbonnais apparently had a terrible first period and got only 10 seconds in the 2nd period. I did see her somewhat in the 3rd but still very little. Kristin O'Neill was a healthy scratch.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/20/2021 09:45PM by blackwidow.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 21, 2021 08:36AM

blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
Not gonna start a new thread.

Just watched the third period of the Canada - Finland women's game. Brianne Jenner with the empty netter to clinch Canada's 5-3 win and also an assist on the 3rd goal. Rebecca Johnston and Jill Saulnier got ice time, but didn't score (I believe).

Jamie Bourbonnais and Micah Zandee-Hart also on the roster, but I think they were healthy scratches

Micah i think is injured and technically no longer part of the roster for the tournament but still in contention for the olympic team roster. Bourbonnais apparently had a terrible first period and got only 10 seconds in the 2nd period. I did see her somewhat in the 3rd but still very little. Kristin O'Neill was a healthy scratch.

Oh yeah. Forgot about O'Neill. Oops.

Bummer about Micah.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: August 21, 2021 12:02PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Not gonna start a new thread.

Just watched the third period of the Canada - Finland women's game. Brianne Jenner with the empty netter to clinch Canada's 5-3 win and also an assist on the 3rd goal. Rebecca Johnston and Jill Saulnier got ice time, but didn't score (I believe).

Jamie Bourbonnais and Micah Zandee-Hart also on the roster, but I think they were healthy scratches
Jillian Saulnier was the spokesperson on an anti-bullying promo that was shown during the USA game.

 
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Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 26, 2021 11:09PM

Jenner with 3 assists in Canada's 5-1 romp over the US.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 30, 2021 08:25PM

Jenner with another assist on Canada's first goal in the semi against Switzerland. Johnston, Saulnier, and Bourbonnais all getting regular ice time, too.

Johnston scores Canada's fourth goal on the Power Play.

Final 4-0.

Canada vs USA tomorrow night for the gold.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2021 09:25PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: blackwidow (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: August 30, 2021 09:39PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Jenner with another assist on Canada's first goal in the semi against Switzerland. Johnston, Saulnier, and Bourbonnais all getting regular ice time, too.

Johnston scores Canada's fourth goal on the Power Play.

Final 4-0.

Canada vs USA tomorrow night for the gold.

Was hoping to see O'Neill tonight. I think she did play 3 consecutive games up until tonight. She seems to be the 5th center on the team.
 
Women's Worlds
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: August 31, 2021 10:51PM

Brianne Jenner with a goal and two assists as Canada wins the gold in overtime.

 
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Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: August 31, 2021 11:01PM

It was one hell of a game, too.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: blackwidow (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 01, 2021 12:01AM

Jeff Hopkins '82
It was one hell of a game, too.

I dont think Bourbonnais got on the ice at all. She was the 7th defenseman.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 01, 2021 07:05AM

blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
It was one hell of a game, too.

I don't think Bourbonnais got on the ice at all. She was the 7th defenseman.

FWIW she was listed at the 7th d-man in the semi, too, but she got a lot more ice time.

I only saw the second and third periods. I did not see her...and I looked. I suspect that after going down 2-0 after the first period, they shortened the bench a bit.

In fact, I didn't even see her during the celebrations and award ceremony although that was more likely due to the choices of the program's director at TSN. They tended to keep the camera on a handful of star players.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/01/2021 07:10AM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: blackwidow (---.sub-174-198-192.myvzw.com)
Date: September 01, 2021 01:15PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
It was one hell of a game, too.

I don't think Bourbonnais got on the ice at all. She was the 7th defenseman.

FWIW she was listed at the 7th d-man in the semi, too, but she got a lot more ice time.

I only saw the second and third periods. I did not see her...and I looked. I suspect that after going down 2-0 after the first period, they shortened the bench a bit.

In fact, I didn't even see her during the celebrations and award ceremony although that was more likely due to the choices of the program's director at TSN. They tended to keep the camera on a handful of star players.

I did see her during the celebration. She was on the ice for the celebration but she didnt get a single shift during the game. I think she was in the 3rd pairing for the very first game of the tournament but played badly in the first shift, benched during the 2nd and barely played in the 3rd period (all in the opening game). Then, she started getting listed at the 7th throughout the tournament. I think she may need to regain the coach's trust quiet a bit. Im assuming 3 players (1 goalie and 2 skaters) are gonna get cut from the roster for the olympics team?

I was a grad student at Princeton so I've been paying attention to Sarah Fillier and Claire Thompson. They were getting a ton of ice time and media coverage. Thompson seemed like an awesome skater. I think they improved a ton. They were always good but I think they have really solidififed their standings within the national team.
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 09/01/2021 01:24PM by blackwidow.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Weder (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: September 01, 2021 02:35PM

blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
It was one hell of a game, too.

I don't think Bourbonnais got on the ice at all. She was the 7th defenseman.

FWIW she was listed at the 7th d-man in the semi, too, but she got a lot more ice time.

I only saw the second and third periods. I did not see her...and I looked. I suspect that after going down 2-0 after the first period, they shortened the bench a bit.

In fact, I didn't even see her during the celebrations and award ceremony although that was more likely due to the choices of the program's director at TSN. They tended to keep the camera on a handful of star players.

I did see her during the celebration. She was on the ice for the celebration but she didnt get a single shift during the game. I think she was in the 3rd pairing for the very first game of the tournament but played badly in the first shift, benched during the 2nd and barely played in the 3rd period (all in the opening game). Then, she started getting listed at the 7th throughout the tournament. I think she may need to regain the coach's trust quiet a bit. Im assuming 3 players (1 goalie and 2 skaters) are gonna get cut from the roster for the olympics team?

I was a grad student at Princeton so I've been paying attention to Sarah Fillier and Claire Thompson. They were getting a ton of ice time and media coverage. Thompson seemed like an awesome skater. I think they improved a ton. They were always good but I think they have really solidififed their standings within the national team.

It looks like Olympic rosters are 20 skaters and 3 goalies (vs. 22 and 3 at worlds), but there are a couple of centralized players (including Micah Zandee-Hart) who were not on the roster in Calgary.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/01/2021 02:40PM by Weder.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: blackwidow (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 01, 2021 03:34PM

Weder
blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
It was one hell of a game, too.

I don't think Bourbonnais got on the ice at all. She was the 7th defenseman.

FWIW she was listed at the 7th d-man in the semi, too, but she got a lot more ice time.

I only saw the second and third periods. I did not see her...and I looked. I suspect that after going down 2-0 after the first period, they shortened the bench a bit.

In fact, I didn't even see her during the celebrations and award ceremony although that was more likely due to the choices of the program's director at TSN. They tended to keep the camera on a handful of star players.

I did see her during the celebration. She was on the ice for the celebration but she didnt get a single shift during the game. I think she was in the 3rd pairing for the very first game of the tournament but played badly in the first shift, benched during the 2nd and barely played in the 3rd period (all in the opening game). Then, she started getting listed at the 7th throughout the tournament. I think she may need to regain the coach's trust quiet a bit. Im assuming 3 players (1 goalie and 2 skaters) are gonna get cut from the roster for the olympics team?

I was a grad student at Princeton so I've been paying attention to Sarah Fillier and Claire Thompson. They were getting a ton of ice time and media coverage. Thompson seemed like an awesome skater. I think they improved a ton. They were always good but I think they have really solidififed their standings within the national team.

It looks like Olympic rosters are 20 skaters and 3 goalies (vs. 22 and 3 at worlds), but there are a couple of centralized players (including Micah Zandee-Hart) who were not on the roster in Calgary.

wow, looking at the centralization roster, the competition looks rough (https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/women/national/2021-22/centralization/centralization-roster) (17 fwd and 9 defense trimmed to most likely 14 fwds and 6 d). Does anyone here know how bad Micah's injury is?
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 01, 2021 05:42PM

blackwidow
Weder
blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
It was one hell of a game, too.

I don't think Bourbonnais got on the ice at all. She was the 7th defenseman.

FWIW she was listed at the 7th d-man in the semi, too, but she got a lot more ice time.

I only saw the second and third periods. I did not see her...and I looked. I suspect that after going down 2-0 after the first period, they shortened the bench a bit.

In fact, I didn't even see her during the celebrations and award ceremony although that was more likely due to the choices of the program's director at TSN. They tended to keep the camera on a handful of star players.

I did see her during the celebration. She was on the ice for the celebration but she didnt get a single shift during the game. I think she was in the 3rd pairing for the very first game of the tournament but played badly in the first shift, benched during the 2nd and barely played in the 3rd period (all in the opening game). Then, she started getting listed at the 7th throughout the tournament. I think she may need to regain the coach's trust quiet a bit. Im assuming 3 players (1 goalie and 2 skaters) are gonna get cut from the roster for the olympics team?

I was a grad student at Princeton so I've been paying attention to Sarah Fillier and Claire Thompson. They were getting a ton of ice time and media coverage. Thompson seemed like an awesome skater. I think they improved a ton. They were always good but I think they have really solidififed their standings within the national team.

It looks like Olympic rosters are 20 skaters and 3 goalies (vs. 22 and 3 at worlds), but there are a couple of centralized players (including Micah Zandee-Hart) who were not on the roster in Calgary.

wow, looking at the centralization roster, the competition looks rough (https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/women/national/2021-22/centralization/centralization-roster) (17 fwd and 9 defense trimmed to most likely 14 fwds and 6 d). Does anyone here know how bad Micah's injury is?

The first pre-olympic "friendly" is here in Allentown in late October between the US and Canada. I'm debating whether to go. The covid vax rate here in the Lehigh Valley is pretty good (>66% of adults fully vaxxed). But the Phantoms skew family-friendly, and I don't want to be around a lot of kids.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: blackwidow (---.sub-174-198-192.myvzw.com)
Date: September 01, 2021 07:11PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Weder
blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
blackwidow
Jeff Hopkins '82
It was one hell of a game, too.

I don't think Bourbonnais got on the ice at all. She was the 7th defenseman.

FWIW she was listed at the 7th d-man in the semi, too, but she got a lot more ice time.

I only saw the second and third periods. I did not see her...and I looked. I suspect that after going down 2-0 after the first period, they shortened the bench a bit.

In fact, I didn't even see her during the celebrations and award ceremony although that was more likely due to the choices of the program's director at TSN. They tended to keep the camera on a handful of star players.

I did see her during the celebration. She was on the ice for the celebration but she didnt get a single shift during the game. I think she was in the 3rd pairing for the very first game of the tournament but played badly in the first shift, benched during the 2nd and barely played in the 3rd period (all in the opening game). Then, she started getting listed at the 7th throughout the tournament. I think she may need to regain the coach's trust quiet a bit. Im assuming 3 players (1 goalie and 2 skaters) are gonna get cut from the roster for the olympics team?

I was a grad student at Princeton so I've been paying attention to Sarah Fillier and Claire Thompson. They were getting a ton of ice time and media coverage. Thompson seemed like an awesome skater. I think they improved a ton. They were always good but I think they have really solidififed their standings within the national team.

It looks like Olympic rosters are 20 skaters and 3 goalies (vs. 22 and 3 at worlds), but there are a couple of centralized players (including Micah Zandee-Hart) who were not on the roster in Calgary.

wow, looking at the centralization roster, the competition looks rough (https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/women/national/2021-22/centralization/centralization-roster) (17 fwd and 9 defense trimmed to most likely 14 fwds and 6 d). Does anyone here know how bad Micah's injury is?

The first pre-olympic "friendly" is here in Allentown in late October between the US and Canada. I'm debating whether to go. The covid vax rate here in the Lehigh Valley is pretty good (>66% of adults fully vaxxed). But the Phantoms skew family-friendly, and I don't want to be around a lot of kids.

Nice. Ill most likely be there :p
 
Re: Alumni in the Pros 2020-2021
Posted by: jts15 (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: September 09, 2021 08:34AM

Morgan Barron prospect article
[www.lohud.com]
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Roy 82 (128.18.241.---)
Date: September 10, 2021 10:19PM

Jeff Hopkins '82

.....The covid vax rate here in the Lehigh Valley is pretty good (>66% of adults fully vaxxed).....
Sigh:-/
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 11, 2021 07:12PM

Roy 82
Jeff Hopkins '82

.....The covid vax rate here in the Lehigh Valley is pretty good (>66% of adults fully vaxxed).....
Sigh:-/

Please clarify, Roy. Is that response because 66% isn't really that good, or because where you live in Cali isn't that high?

FWIW, now over 67%. And that's actually % of people 10 years and over. No idea what the % of actual "adults" is because PA doesn't display it that way.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 12, 2021 04:42PM

>66% seems like okay-not-great numbers if ineligible kids are excluded from the count. Under-12 (the age group currently ineligible for vaccination) is about 17%-18% of the U.S. population.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: September 12, 2021 10:14PM

you so in the next month about 10% of the pop will be able to get shots and stats show about 50% will but even that would bump the overall numbers up 5% or so.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 13, 2021 10:03AM

billhoward
>66% seems like okay-not-great numbers if ineligible kids are excluded from the count. Under-12 (the age group currently ineligible for vaccination) is about 17%-18% of the U.S. population.

Actually it includes 10 & 11 year olds. When the vax was opened to 12 and up, PA chose to measure it in groups of 5 years, so they rounded it to 10 and up.

From what I can see the vax numbers are going up by about 0.1-0.15% each day. It's gonna take a while.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 13, 2021 05:19PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
From what I can see the vax numbers are going up by about 0.1-0.15% each day. It's gonna take a while.
Remember, there are two factors. Increasing the numerator, that's slow.

But, decreasing the denominator without decreasing the numerator... (taps forehead)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/13/2021 05:20PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: September 13, 2021 06:42PM

Trotsky
Jeff Hopkins '82
From what I can see the vax numbers are going up by about 0.1-0.15% each day. It's gonna take a while.
Remember, there are two factors. Increasing the numerator, that's slow.

But, decreasing the denominator without decreasing the numerator... (taps forehead)

Hmmmm. That might actually apply in a place like Florida or Texas. In PA, the denominator is pretty steady.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 13, 2021 07:02PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
Jeff Hopkins '82
From what I can see the vax numbers are going up by about 0.1-0.15% each day. It's gonna take a while.
Remember, there are two factors. Increasing the numerator, that's slow.

But, decreasing the denominator without decreasing the numerator... (taps forehead)

Hmmmm. That might actually apply in a place like Florida or Texas. In PA, the denominator is pretty steady.

I've been through Central PA. The Law of Large Numbers will do the rest.
 
Re: Women's Worlds
Posted by: Roy 82 (128.18.241.---)
Date: September 14, 2021 02:02AM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Roy 82
Jeff Hopkins '82

.....The covid vax rate here in the Lehigh Valley is pretty good (>66% of adults fully vaxxed).....
Sigh:-/

Please clarify, Roy. Is that response because 66% isn't really that good, or because where you live in Cali isn't that high?

FWIW, now over 67%. And that's actually % of people 10 years and over. No idea what the % of actual "adults" is because PA doesn't display it that way.

I sighed because we have such low expectations. I would hope for 90% and up everywhere. But if they including kids 10-12 then that is something to consider. It looks like that might knock it down about 5%. But still disappointing.
 
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