RIT Cancels 2020-2021 Hockey Season

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

We just raised the COVID alert level from Yellow to Orange, but it's not clear if this is a result of that, or the Liberty League cancelling winter sports.

and the players are pissed. may be a mass exodus from the program.

still unclear to me what the Liberty league has to to do with the Hockey team though.

upprdeck
still unclear to me what the Liberty league has to to do with the Hockey team though.

Since RIT competes in the Liberty League in every other sport, apparently the administration felt it didn't want to have the hockey team playing this season while no one else was at the school.

upprdeck
and the players are pissed.

This could have an impact on us. Other Liberty League teams include Clarkson, St. Lawrence, RPI, and Union. Clarkson and. St. Lawrence have already said that they still plan on playing. Union hasn't said that they *won't* play, but they haven't definitively said that they would either. RPI hasn't really commented. If RPI and/or Union decide not to play that would mess up the potential ECAC schedule which involves splitting the conference into a New York and New England divisions.

so playing a sport for 2-3 months when no kids would be going to class on campus?

ithacaster
This could have an impact on us. Other Liberty League teams include Clarkson, St. Lawrence, RPI, and Union. Clarkson and. St. Lawrence have already said that they still plan on playing. Union hasn't said that they *won't* play, but they haven't definitively said that they would either. RPI hasn't really commented. If RPI and/or Union decide not to play that would mess up the potential ECAC schedule which involves splitting the conference into a New York and New England divisions.

I am 95% sure we will all cancel, particularly since the systemic dumbassery has now been dragged behind the barn, shot in the head, and left to bleed out in the snow as the light dims and the devil approaches through the mist to claim His own.

Nobody's gonna play because there's just not enough money in college hockey to monetize the death.

hockey once you remove the fans is not a money maker.. but you are paying scholies in most places anyway so only some travel money is saved by not playing.. but you may drve more tv revenue?

The Patriot League announced a plan for a 16-game, conference only basketball season beginning January 2nd. Seems likely that Colgate will attempt some semblance of a hockey season. My guess is the "New York Division" structure that was discussed awhile ago is the best shot going forward this year.

to play you have to commit to testing. Rit was going some.. I dont think another 100 a week to play hockey was gonna break them

upprdeck
to play you have to commit to testing. Rit was going some.. I dont think another 100 a week to play hockey was gonna break them

RIT has been doing a lot of wastewater testing, which presumably makes the process more efficient by effectively pooling a lot of "tests", but I suspect the strategy breaks down as you get more and more positive results.

I don't see it mentioned here but this came up on local radio recently regarding Union and RPI cancelling some winter sports. No decision on hockey yet.
[www.timesunion.com]

except almost none of the hockey team lives on campus.. and many were not taking classes in person .. testing random kids once a semester when 80% of your kids live off campus is not really gonna catch much.. then add in all the parties that have been going on it is gonna catch up with them at some point.

jts15
I don't see it mentioned here but this came up on local radio recently regarding Union and RPI cancelling some winter sports. No decision on hockey yet.
[www.timesunion.com]

Taken from that Albany newspaper article: "McElroy said ECAC Hockey athletic directors and the Ivy League presidents each have meetings Tuesday to discuss the future of the hockey season." I'm guessing that, since that article was dated Monday, 11/9/20, he was referring to YESTERDAY..... So, if they came to some type of agreement, an announcement about the ECAC season should be forthcoming very soon!!! tick toc tick toc tick toc......

Pulling off even half a season's worth of games would show some continuity to the academic and athletic endeavors of the colleges and universities that keep on going.

OTOH, by the time they become college presidents, most college presidents are risk-averse.

billhoward
Pulling off even half a season's worth of games would show some continuity to the academic and athletic endeavors of the colleges and universities that keep on going.

OTOH, by the time they become college presidents, most college presidents are risk-averse.

Think about you're saying. What is the risk for?

It isn't "risk averse" to refrain from running across I-95 to get a creamsicle. It indicates cognition above the level of an infant.

Trotsky

billhoward
Pulling off even half a season's worth of games would show some continuity to the academic and athletic endeavors of the colleges and universities that keep on going.

OTOH, by the time they become college presidents, most college presidents are risk-averse.

Think about you're saying. What is the risk for?

It isn't "risk averse" to refrain from running across I-95 to get a creamsicle. It indicates cognition above the level of an infant.

I've lived cautiously the past 8 months (I won't set foot in a restaurant except to do take-out), but since July have been coming to the office and doing in person meetings (with safety protocols observed) when Zoom isn't an option. My view has evolved such that so long as a member of any college team (player or coach) can opt-out without repercussions, those who want to participate in their sport should be permitted to do so. The schools can appropriately limit travel and overnight stays such as the Patriot League is doing for basketball.

One of the big issues moving forward with a CU season deals with the 10 person limit on groupings that the University has in place. Right now the team has groups of players doing on ice activities in separate areas of the rink and sometimes even having different time slots for on ice activities. They also have to use at least three different locket rooms. I don't see how you can have a season with those kind of restrictions in place.

The point of canceling sporting events is to reduce covid spread. Did anyone ever look at colleges which are running sporting events vs. those that aren't? Clemson vs. whatever? Is it sporting events, off-campus speakers, bars, frat parties, or what? Cornell's got it under control but they've done so many things they could probably could have football and it wouldn't matter. The NFL and NCAA have rules to monitor players, regulate contacts, etc. Why not colleges.

And those NCAA football rules are going great, as evidenced by the full slate of games this coming Saturday!

Can't say I'm shocked.

Looks like we can expect a 6:30pm announcement tonight about Ivy League shutting down winter sports, including hockey. Stay tuned.

— College Hockey News (@chnews) November 12, 2020

?s=21

Good.

Interesting, because there was a report earlier (can't find it again right now) that Cornell and Columbia, along with the rest of the DI schools in New York, are asking the state to loosen travel restrictions so they can play winter sports.

Dear alumni, parents, friends and fans of the Big Red…

This evening the Ivy League Presidents will announce that the pause on athletics competition will continue through winter as the global COVID-19 pandemic has worsened. The earliest any of our teams will have a chance to compete will be March 1, and only if conditions improve and are deemed safe to do so.

Though there are promising reports regarding therapeutics and the development of vaccines, they do not immediately change the situation on the ground that includes record daily infection numbers and near-record hospitalizations. The prognosis is no better than when spring and fall 2020 sports were canceled, and by most metrics the situation is worse now. There remains uncertainty over long-term effects of the virus on the infected. Though Cornell has done an impressive job containing the virus on campus, it is in large part due to restrictions that would need to be lifted to allow athletic competition, including current travel and visitor policies. The Department will continue to advocate for the safe resumption of athletic competition when it is appropriate and safe to do so.

The reality doesn’t reduce the heartbreak of our student-athletes and coaches who have committed themselves to success. Many of our winter athletes were unable to compete for national championships this past year and are now suffering the loss of yet another season. It also doesn’t temper the larger frustration regarding a virus that has uprooted many norms in our life. We couldn’t be more disappointed and frustrated at the situation we’re facing, but we’re also more dedicated than ever to get through this pandemic together.

Our department has done everything possible to provide our student-athletes an opportunity to compete this winter and will continue to work toward the resumption of competition. Sports medicine and strength and conditioning staff efforts have been heroic. They mobilized to contact trace and test 325 athletes who could have been exposed early in the semester, took on additional responsibilities to hasten a return to training, and covered all sports in all seasons this fall. Our coaches and staff have volunteered thousands of hours as Behavioral Compact Monitors and as part of the Cornell Compact Compliance Team. Thousands of additional hours went into planning and exploring options to keep our teams safe and engaged and to bring facilities online to meet University, state and local health guidelines. Our athletes fought the fatigue and other impacts of virtual study and the isolation from friends and family that came with disciplined compliance to safety guidelines. All of this came in an effort to be healthy, protect our community, keep the university open, and pursue our goals on the field.
I appreciate your continued support of our department to which we are all dedicated. This scenario is as challenging as there has ever been in college athletics, but rest assured the health and safety of our student-athletes, coaches, staff, families and the larger community are always the most important aspect of this and all decisions made at Cornell.

All the best,

Andy Noel

Just saw that Ivy basketball is done. I presume that means that Ivy hockey is done.

Just pick the hockey season back up in mid-March where it was at that exact point last year, with the same players and records.

hockey could still go on.. but its gonna take twisting some arms.

anyone know what the 6 winter sports are? after basketball? womens bball a 2nd wrestling?

upprdeck
hockey could still go on.. but its gonna take twisting some arms.

anyone know what the 6 winter sports are? after basketball? womens bball a 2nd wrestling?

Men's and women's swimming are winter sports, as is indoor track and field for both men and women.

upprdeck
hockey could still go on.. but its gonna take twisting some arms.

CHN is saying hockey is done.

just saying the ivy says 6 sports cancelled. bball swimming track..

upprdeck
just saying the ivy says 6 sports cancelled. bball swimming track..

That isn't inconsistent. The sports you listed are all played within the actual ivy league as a sports league, right?

Adam mentioned in his chn article that although hockey is not played within the ivy league itself, schools will be abiding by the decision regardless

I think other colleges will follow just like they did with the fall sports. Winter sports are money losers (maybe not basketball?) so they won't have the incentive to restore them like the did with football.

French Rage
Just pick the hockey season back up in mid-March where it was at that exact point last year, with the same players and records.

This is the first proposal I would get behind 100%.

They had on Wisconsin vs. Notre Dame last night. Did the King of Ivy ask how they did it? Excess of caution is great but not unlimitedly.

Troyfan
They had on Wisconsin vs. Notre Dame last night. Did the King of Ivy ask how they did it? Excess of caution is great but not unlimitedly.

The King of Ivy is the combined school presidents.

Based upon how well CU is doing, I'm willing to give them enough slack to go along with their combined opinion.

This is the worst medical problem that any of us have seen. Probably the worst worldwide problem that any of us have seen. I wasn't around for either WW, but this is certainly worse than any war during my lifetime. I'm willing to say that it's worse than WWII. At least in that war, the nation was overwhelmingly pulling in the same direction. That's certainly not true today, and won't be true just by a new administration. Texas has more infections than any state and yet they have a law that communities can't put in actions that they feel would help their own people.

We who live in the NE had a terrible spring, but have reaped the rewards of what we had to do and have done well until recently. We proved that you can control the virus without magical drugs, just common sense rules. Mainly we had to lose gatherings that gave us pleasure, parties, bars, restaurants, and sports.

The rest of the US didn't follow our path and now the virus has such a hold on the population that 10s of thousands (probably 100s of thousands) more people will die before this is controlled. And because of the rest of the US and the stupidity of some of our local people, we are now seeing a resurgence here.

At my age I have limited seasons left and I hate losing one more, but I feel the universities should be putting their resources into the major focus of schools, education. It's not worth using resources to allow a few students to pursue something that they love, while restricting other students social life.

they vaccine news today now means there is a chanes 50 million plus could have vaccines by january. all the more reason to push seasons off to feb/march.

upprdeck
they vaccine news today now means there is a chance 50 million plus could have vaccines by january. all the more reason to push seasons off to feb/march.

I disagree! The same folks who refuse to wear masks & social distance will refuse to get vaccinated (even if it's mandatory). I know some of these folks and they are VERY stubborn about this. This is a problem that's going to make
this virus VERY difficult to eradicate or suppress. They will walk among us carrying this virus.

redice

upprdeck
they vaccine news today now means there is a chance 50 million plus could have vaccines by january. all the more reason to push seasons off to feb/march.

I disagree! The same folks who refuse to wear masks & social distance will refuse to get vaccinated (even if it's mandatory). I know some of these folks and they are VERY stubborn about this. This is a problem that's going to make
this virus VERY difficult to eradicate or suppress. They will walk among us carrying this virus.

I agree with this, as most of my acquaintances that are anti-mask/virus hoaxers are also, not surprisingly, anti-vaxxers.

The Rancor

redice

upprdeck
they vaccine news today now means there is a chance 50 million plus could have vaccines by january. all the more reason to push seasons off to feb/march.

I disagree! The same folks who refuse to wear masks & social distance will refuse to get vaccinated (even if it's mandatory). I know some of these folks and they are VERY stubborn about this. This is a problem that's going to make
this virus VERY difficult to eradicate or suppress. They will walk among us carrying this virus.

I agree with this, as most of my acquaintances that are anti-mask/virus hoaxers are also, not surprisingly, anti-vaxxers.

How about places like restaurants (and Lynah) require some sort of proof of vaccination to enter? And if you’re a moron anti-vaxxer, fine, that’s your right, but you can’t come in.

redice
The same folks who refuse to wear masks & social distance will refuse to get vaccinated (even if it's mandatory).

Problem solves itself.

Jim Hyla

Troyfan
They had on Wisconsin vs. Notre Dame last night. Did the King of Ivy ask how they did it? Excess of caution is great but not unlimitedly.

The King of Ivy is the combined school presidents.

Based upon how well CU is doing, I'm willing to give them enough slack to go along with their combined opinion.

This is the worst medical problem that any of us have seen. Probably the worst worldwide problem that any of us have seen. I wasn't around for either WW, but this is certainly worse than any war during my lifetime. I'm willing to say that it's worse than WWII. At least in that war, the nation was overwhelmingly pulling in the same direction. That's certainly not true today, and won't be true just by a new administration. Texas has more infections than any state and yet they have a law that communities can't put in actions that they feel would help their own people.

We who live in the NE had a terrible spring, but have reaped the rewards of what we had to do and have done well until recently. We proved that you can control the virus without magical drugs, just common sense rules. Mainly we had to lose gatherings that gave us pleasure, parties, bars, restaurants, and sports.

The rest of the US didn't follow our path and now the virus has such a hold on the population that 10s of thousands (probably 100s of thousands) more people will die before this is controlled. And because of the rest of the US and the stupidity of some of our local people, we are now seeing a resurgence here.

At my age I have limited seasons left and I hate losing one more, but I feel the universities should be putting their resources into the major focus of schools, education. It's not worth using resources to allow a few students to pursue something that they love, while restricting other students social life.

Bravo, Jim. Bravo.

+100.

Trotsky

redice
The same folks who refuse to wear masks & social distance will refuse to get vaccinated (even if it's mandatory).

Problem solves itself.

Sadly, no. How many of them will become asymptomatic carriers? And so far, neither vaccine is 100% effective.

most people wont take vaccines because they dont want the virus in them.. this stuff is not that and given information many may realize the issues are different.

upprdeck
most people wont take vaccines because they dont want the virus in them.. this stuff is not that and given information many may realize the issues are different.

You've still got a shockingly significant population who believe it's part of a Gates Foundation effort to microchip all Americans. Telling them the vaccine doesn't actually contain the virus probably isn't going to move them very far.

Trotsky

redice
The same folks who refuse to wear masks & social distance will refuse to get vaccinated (even if it's mandatory).

Problem solves itself.

What I call a thinning of the herd.... But, as someone else noted, there will be those who are asymptomatic, who screw this up....

upprdeck
except almost none of the hockey team lives on campus.. and many were not taking classes in person .. testing random kids once a semester when 80% of your kids live off campus is not really gonna catch much.. then add in all the parties that have been going on it is gonna catch up with them at some point.

As expected [www.timesunion.com]

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

redice
The same folks who refuse to wear masks & social distance will refuse to get vaccinated (even if it's mandatory).

Problem solves itself.

Sadly, no. How many of them will become asymptomatic carriers? And so far, neither vaccine is 100% effective.

In the Moderna trial results announced today, all 5 people who received the vaccine and became infected with the virus had mild cases. So even if it proves less than 100% effective in preventing infection, the preliminary results appear to show the vaccine reduces the severity even in those cases.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Trotsky

redice
The same folks who refuse to wear masks & social distance will refuse to get vaccinated (even if it's mandatory).

Problem solves itself.

Sadly, no. How many of them will become asymptomatic carriers? And so far, neither vaccine is 100% effective.

????

100%?

[www.forbes.com]

upprdeck
most people wont take vaccines because they dont want the virus in them.. this stuff is not that and given information many may realize the issues are different.

Most people don't take vaccines because they are under the mistaken impression that there is a significant risk of a worrisome side effect. Prime example is the idea that vaccines cause autism.

As I've talked to patients, most only have a very casual knowledge of what makes a vaccine. They don't know about killed virus vaccines versus live attenuated, or partial virus vaccines.

By and large if I take the time to explain why a particular vaccine is important and what we're injecting/how it works, they'll take it.

Of course I'm not practicing in an anti-VAX area. I don't know how often you can convince one of those to take a vaccine.

CU2007
How about places like restaurants (and Lynah) require some sort of proof of vaccination to enter?

That's what will happen in schools of many states. When a parent can't send their child to school, they generally get them vaccinated.

Just like with bike helmets and seat belts, sometimes the "health" of the population overrides individual liberty.

I am pretty confident Union will be cancelling shortly. A four team ECAC this season?

margolism
I am pretty confident Union will be cancelling shortly. A four team ECAC this season?

With Colgate's "We're just as good as an Ivy" mentality, I'm thinking they'll fold. Union is harder to predict. Bennett is a close second to Peckernall.

marty

margolism
I am pretty confident Union will be cancelling shortly. A four team ECAC this season?

With Colgate's "We're just as good as an Ivy" mentality, I'm thinking they'll fold. Union is harder to predict. Bennett is a close second to Peckernall.

Union will follow RPI's lead. They always do. There has been an unsubstantiated post on the USCHO board that Union has indeed canceled.

I am quite surprised that Colgate is apparently going to play as that attitude is what I have observed over the years. And didn't the Patriot League cancel their league seasons?

Jim Hyla

When a parent can't send their child to school, they generally get them vaccinated.

"Generally", perhaps.... But, the anti-vaxers that I know ALL home-school, without exception. To be clear, I don't belong to or agree with that group.

Doesn't Colgate realize that losing in the semis doesn't mean as much when there are only 4 teams to start with?

ursusminor

marty

margolism
I am pretty confident Union will be cancelling shortly. A four team ECAC this season?

With Colgate's "We're just as good as an Ivy" mentality, I'm thinking they'll fold. Union is harder to predict. Bennett is a close second to Peckernall.

Union will follow RPI's lead. They always do. There has been an unsubstantiated post on the USCHO board that Union has indeed canceled.

I am quite surprised that Colgate is apparently going to play as that attitude is what I have observed over the years. And didn't the Patriot League cancel their league seasons?

Union indeed won't play [unionathletics.com].

ursusminor

marty

margolism
I am pretty confident Union will be cancelling shortly. A four team ECAC this season?

With Colgate's "We're just as good as an Ivy" mentality, I'm thinking they'll fold. Union is harder to predict. Bennett is a close second to Peckernall.

Union will follow RPI's lead. They always do. There has been an unsubstantiated post on the USCHO board that Union has indeed canceled.

I am quite surprised that Colgate is apparently going to play as that attitude is what I have observed over the years. And didn't the Patriot League cancel their league seasons?

Patriot League recently announced a league-only basketball season beginning January 2nd. But certainly that is subject to change like everything else right now.

redice

Jim Hyla

When a parent can't send their child to school, they generally get them vaccinated.

"Generally", perhaps.... But, the anti-vaxers that I know ALL home-school, without exception. To be clear, I don't belong to or agree with that group.

This is the most polite way to say Fundy Christian Fuckwit I have ever seen. Golf clap.

RIt is now re-thinking the cancellation and starting back up after a huge number of people around the team were upset.

"Now that the car is sliding out of control sideways, please unbuckle your seatbelt."

upprdeck
RIt is now re-thinking the cancellation and starting back up after a huge number of people around the team were upset.

[ritathletics.com]

ursusminor

marty

margolism
I am pretty confident Union will be cancelling shortly. A four team ECAC this season?

With Colgate's "We're just as good as an Ivy" mentality, I'm thinking they'll fold. Union is harder to predict. Bennett is a close second to Peckernall.

Union will follow RPI's lead. They always do. There has been an unsubstantiated post on the USCHO board that Union has indeed canceled.

I would assume that Clarkson will follow RPI and SLU will follow Clarkson. (Unless they want to have a season of the North Country teams just playing each other until someone in the bubble gets infected.) So at some point it will just be Quinnipiac and the Big T7n.

marty

margolism
I am pretty confident Union will be cancelling shortly. A four team ECAC this season?

With Colgate's "We're just as good as an Ivy" mentality, I'm thinking they'll fold. Union is harder to predict. Bennett is a close second to Peckernall.

The Ivies asked Colgate to cancel their season, but Colgate turned them down.

Trotsky
"Now that the car is sliding out of control sideways, please unbuckle your seatbelt."

Nice image but I'm not a fan of the seatbelt analogy. For the most part, seatbelts are designed to save the wearer. In contrast masks help the wearer but they also save others. So the analogy is more like:

"With the onset of icy roads, speed limits and all traffic regulations are optional"

Freedumb!

Trotsky

redice

Jim Hyla

When a parent can't send their child to school, they generally get them vaccinated.

"Generally", perhaps.... But, the anti-vaxers that I know ALL home-school, without exception. To be clear, I don't belong to or agree with that group.

This is the most polite way to say Fundy Christian Fuckwit I have ever seen. Golf clap.

You haven't seen the horseshoe theory on this, which is basically Goop Wellness antivax, which is why places like Park Slope and the like are surprising antivax hotbeds.

jtwcornell91

marty

margolism
I am pretty confident Union will be cancelling shortly. A four team ECAC this season?

With Colgate's "We're just as good as an Ivy" mentality, I'm thinking they'll fold. Union is harder to predict. Bennett is a close second to Peckernall.

The Ivies asked Colgate to cancel their season, but Colgate turned them down.

Underrated comment.

We would also have accepted "BC."

ugarte

Trotsky

redice

Jim Hyla

When a parent can't send their child to school, they generally get them vaccinated.

"Generally", perhaps.... But, the anti-vaxers that I know ALL home-school, without exception. To be clear, I don't belong to or agree with that group.

This is the most polite way to say Fundy Christian Fuckwit I have ever seen. Golf clap.

You haven't seen the horseshoe theory on this, which is basically Goop Wellness antivax, which is why places like Park Slope and the like are surprising antivax hotbeds.

I am well aware of Marin County Moron syndrome, but we were talking about home schooling. That's Angry Asshole in the Sky territory.

Trotsky

ugarte

Trotsky

redice

Jim Hyla

When a parent can't send their child to school, they generally get them vaccinated.

"Generally", perhaps.... But, the anti-vaxers that I know ALL home-school, without exception. To be clear, I don't belong to or agree with that group.

This is the most polite way to say Fundy Christian Fuckwit I have ever seen. Golf clap.

You haven't seen the horseshoe theory on this, which is basically Goop Wellness antivax, which is why places like Park Slope and the like are surprising antivax hotbeds.

I am well aware of Marin County Moron syndrome, but we were talking about home schooling. That's Angry Asshole in the Sky territory.

I'm telling you dude, same people they just call the home schooling "co-ops".

ugarte

Trotsky

ugarte

Trotsky

redice

Jim Hyla

When a parent can't send their child to school, they generally get them vaccinated.

"Generally", perhaps.... But, the anti-vaxers that I know ALL home-school, without exception. To be clear, I don't belong to or agree with that group.

This is the most polite way to say Fundy Christian Fuckwit I have ever seen. Golf clap.

You haven't seen the horseshoe theory on this, which is basically Goop Wellness antivax, which is why places like Park Slope and the like are surprising antivax hotbeds.

I am well aware of Marin County Moron syndrome, but we were talking about home schooling. That's Angry Asshole in the Sky territory.

I'm telling you dude, same people they just call the home schooling "co-ops".

If your point is we should set the Park Slope people adrift on the same icefloe as the Dumbfuckistaners, you will get no argument from me.

Put it on PPV and retire the national debt.

Trotsky

redice

Jim Hyla

When a parent can't send their child to school, they generally get them vaccinated.

"Generally", perhaps.... But, the anti-vaxers that I know ALL home-school, without exception. To be clear, I don't belong to or agree with that group.

This is the most polite way to say Fundy Christian Fuckwit I have ever seen. Golf clap.

+1

jtwcornell91

marty

margolism
I am pretty confident Union will be cancelling shortly. A four team ECAC this season?

With Colgate's "We're just as good as an Ivy" mentality, I'm thinking they'll fold. Union is harder to predict. Bennett is a close second to Peckernall.

The Ivies asked Colgate to cancel their season, but Colgate turned them down.

Hahaha. Well done.