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Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: October 09, 2020 08:32PM

Cornell picked up a commitment from 16-year old center Tyler Wishart from Westchester County. He was recently drafted in the 7th round of the USHL draft by Lincoln. Neutral Zone describes him this way: “Speed. Speed. Speed with acceleration and the edges to get to the goal. Tyler played with tremendous pace. He can stop and start on a dime and his mobility and ability to make cuts make him tough to defend. He won almost every face-off and was setting the table for his teammates all game...Athletic, fast and dangerous with possession, he’s a D1 prospect and a good one.”
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: redice (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: October 10, 2020 06:52AM

scoop85
Cornell picked up a commitment from 16-year old center Tyler Wishart from Westchester County. He was recently drafted in the 7th round of the USHL draft by Lincoln. Neutral Zone describes him this way: “Speed. Speed. Speed with acceleration and the edges to get to the goal. Tyler played with tremendous pace. He can stop and start on a dime and his mobility and ability to make cuts make him tough to defend. He won almost every face-off and was setting the table for his teammates all game...Athletic, fast and dangerous with possession, he’s a D1 prospect and a good one.”

Just what I like in a hockey player: "Speed. Speed. Speed with acceleration".

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 19, 2020 12:01AM

>>> “Speed. Speed. Speed with acceleration and the edges to get to the goal. Tyler played with tremendous pace. He can stop and start on a dime and his mobility and ability to make cuts make him tough to defend. He won almost every face-off and was setting the table for his teammates all game...Athletic, fast and dangerous with possession, he’s a D1 prospect and a good one.”

Is that another way of saying "small"?
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: redice (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: October 19, 2020 06:33AM

billhoward
>>> “Speed. Speed. Speed with acceleration and the edges to get to the goal. Tyler played with tremendous pace. He can stop and start on a dime and his mobility and ability to make cuts make him tough to defend. He won almost every face-off and was setting the table for his teammates all game...Athletic, fast and dangerous with possession, he’s a D1 prospect and a good one.”

Is that another way of saying "small"?

Oh, for a minute, I thought that read: "Topher".... Sorry.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: October 19, 2020 02:35PM

billhoward
>>> “Speed. Speed. Speed with acceleration and the edges to get to the goal. Tyler played with tremendous pace. He can stop and start on a dime and his mobility and ability to make cuts make him tough to defend. He won almost every face-off and was setting the table for his teammates all game...Athletic, fast and dangerous with possession, he’s a D1 prospect and a good one.”

Is that another way of saying "small"?

Per websites he's 5'10 155 at 16yo
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: October 21, 2020 11:26AM

abmarks
billhoward
>>> “Speed. Speed. Speed with acceleration and the edges to get to the goal. Tyler played with tremendous pace. He can stop and start on a dime and his mobility and ability to make cuts make him tough to defend. He won almost every face-off and was setting the table for his teammates all game...Athletic, fast and dangerous with possession, he’s a D1 prospect and a good one.”

Is that another way of saying "small"?

Per websites he's 5'10 155 at 16yo

Waddaya wanna bet by the time he's 18 he's over 6' & 185?
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: October 21, 2020 11:54AM

Swampy
abmarks
billhoward
>>> “Speed. Speed. Speed with acceleration and the edges to get to the goal. Tyler played with tremendous pace. He can stop and start on a dime and his mobility and ability to make cuts make him tough to defend. He won almost every face-off and was setting the table for his teammates all game...Athletic, fast and dangerous with possession, he’s a D1 prospect and a good one.”

Is that another way of saying "small"?

Per websites he's 5'10 155 at 16yo

Waddaya wanna bet by the time he's 18 he's over 6' & 185?
And slower. ;-)

But he sounds fantastic. And who knows, he might get stronger and even faster. cheer
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
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Date: December 04, 2020 08:51AM

 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: profudge (---.nrwc.ny.frontiernet.net)
Date: December 04, 2020 09:33AM

At 19 he is listed at 6' 6" and 205 lbs. - hoping he can skate like other bigger guys we have seen last couple of years. LGR

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 04, 2020 11:08AM

Ondrej Psenicka will be our third Czech and our first from Prague.

Jiri Kloboucek (1996), Dubi
Dan Svoboda (2001), Benesov
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: December 04, 2020 05:37PM

And he's on the Czech U20 national team.

But it looks like he's a checking forward. 6G, 12A in 43 games with Waterloo last year. C rated speed by NHL Central Scouting according to his profile on Waterloo's webpage.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: December 04, 2020 05:56PM

C rated by NHL Central Scouting means he projects as a late round NHL draft pick. He was a big scorer prior to his year with Waterloo. Seems to be an intriguing prospect. Can’t wait to see him in Lynah.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: French Rage (165.225.50.---)
Date: December 04, 2020 09:15PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
But it looks like he's a checking forward.

AND A CZECHING FORWARD!

I'll see myself out.

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: December 05, 2020 01:19PM

French Rage
Jeff Hopkins '82
But it looks like he's a checking forward.

AND A CZECHING FORWARD!

I'll see myself out.

barf
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: December 06, 2020 01:59AM

French Rage
Jeff Hopkins '82
But it looks like he's a checking forward.

AND A CZECHING FORWARD!

I'll see myself out.

i don't know about that. seems he's more the guy who could make the puck appear out of thin air. just look at the highlight videos on his personal website... I mean, never had one like this before...
[www.ondrejpsenicka.com]
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 06, 2020 12:38PM

abmarks
French Rage
Jeff Hopkins '82
But it looks like he's a checking forward.

AND A CZECHING FORWARD!

I'll see myself out.

i don't know about that. seems he's more the guy who could make the puck appear out of thin air. just look at the highlight videos on his personal website... I mean, never had one like this before...
[www.ondrejpsenicka.com]
He's cute, too.

Nice socks.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: French Rage (165.225.50.---)
Date: December 06, 2020 05:09PM

abmarks
French Rage
Jeff Hopkins '82
But it looks like he's a checking forward.

AND A CZECHING FORWARD!

I'll see myself out.

i don't know about that. seems he's more the guy who could make the puck appear out of thin air. just look at the highlight videos on his personal website... I mean, never had one like this before...
[www.ondrejpsenicka.com]

Hey, misdirection is misdirection. I have no problem recruiting a magician.

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: December 07, 2020 01:52AM

French Rage
abmarks
French Rage
Jeff Hopkins '82
But it looks like he's a checking forward.

AND A CZECHING FORWARD!

I'll see myself out.

i don't know about that. seems he's more the guy who could make the puck appear out of thin air. just look at the highlight videos on his personal website... I mean, never had one like this before...
[www.ondrejpsenicka.com]

Hey, misdirection is misdirection. I have no problem recruiting a magician.

pretty sure I misdirected to the next level. don't think it's the same guy

 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: ACM (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: December 07, 2020 08:27AM

abmarks
French Rage
abmarks
French Rage
Jeff Hopkins '82
But it looks like he's a checking forward.

AND A CZECHING FORWARD!

I'll see myself out.

i don't know about that. seems he's more the guy who could make the puck appear out of thin air. just look at the highlight videos on his personal website... I mean, never had one like this before...
[www.ondrejpsenicka.com]

Hey, misdirection is misdirection. I have no problem recruiting a magician.

pretty sure I misdirected to the next level. don't think it's the same guy

Considering that the magician "left business school in 2005 to pursue his love of magic full time", no, he's probably not the same person as the Czech under-20 hockey player.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: French Rage (165.225.50.---)
Date: December 07, 2020 11:37AM

JESUS PEOPLE I KNOW LET'S JUST RUN WITH THE BIT

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: December 07, 2020 04:13PM

French Rage
JESUS PEOPLE I KNOW LET'S JUST RUN WITH THE BIT

I'm going back in time with my bit. rewinding.

Damn, wonder if the team can get hockey stockings made to match his funky socks. would make a great third alternative un i
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 07, 2020 04:27PM

French Rage
JESUS PEOPLE I KNOW LET'S JUST RUN WITH THE BIT
eLynah is not, as a rule, a good place for comedy.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Dafatone (---.midco.net)
Date: December 07, 2020 10:25PM

I'm making magician jokes every time he does something good. Maybe even if he does something bad.

And here I thought Czeching forward would be the best we could do on this.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: December 08, 2020 08:57AM

Ironically Cornell lacrosse backup faceoff guy Mitch Rothstein happens to be an accomplished magician.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 09, 2020 09:58PM

Trotsky
Ondrej Psenicka will be our third Czech and our first from Prague.
Jiri Kloboucek (1996), Dubi
Dan Svoboda (2001), Benesov
And the second Cornell player whose jersey on the back includes a pronunciation guide, at least freshman year.

Dan Svoboda is close enough to "Ron Swoboda."
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 23, 2020 01:20PM

Maybe before the Juniors, he went through a Harry Potter phase and there was a time warp.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date: December 24, 2020 12:31AM



He's a goalie who plays for Des Moines in the USHL.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: dbilmes (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: December 24, 2020 02:55PM

He's probably the first player named Remington we've had in the program.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: December 24, 2020 10:02PM

dbilmes
He's probably the first player named Remington we've had in the program.

likely one of the first from Wisconsin as well. [www.eliteprospects.com] has him as a 22-23 commit
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: ugarte (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: December 24, 2020 11:36PM

can we get a pronunciation guide oh keopple

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 25, 2020 01:25AM

dbilmes
He's probably the first player named Remington we've had in the program.

He is.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 25, 2020 01:26AM

abmarks
dbilmes
He's probably the first player named Remington we've had in the program.

likely one of the first from Wisconsin as well. [www.eliteprospects.com] has him as a 22-23 commit

2nd.

Evan Salmela '07 (Whitefish Bay)
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: December 25, 2020 10:20AM

Unfortunately Ondrej Psenicka was one of the last 3 cuts from the Czech junior team so we won’t get to see him in the World Junior tournament beginning today
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 04, 2021 01:26PM

New recruit, Ben Robertson. A defenseman from Virginia, he plays for the powerhouse Mount Charles Academy program in Rhode Island. He’s on their U16 team so it will be awhile before he makes it to Ithaca. His Twitter profile shows he’s an Omaha Lancers prospect in the USHL.

 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
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Date: January 04, 2021 07:16PM

?s=19
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 04, 2021 08:29PM

blackwidow
?s=19

A Brit! So would this be our first recruit from the UK (paging Trotsky)?

EDIT: I see the legendary Pete Wheelright who arrived in Ithaca in 1959 is listed on TBRW as being from the UK
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/04/2021 08:39PM by scoop85.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 04, 2021 09:52PM

6'4", 205# D-man. Right up Schafer's alley.

He's from Cobham, which is just up the road from Guildford where there's a professional team in the EIHL. Wonder if there's a connection?
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
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Date: January 06, 2021 05:38AM

Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: dbilmes (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: February 18, 2021 10:13AM

Schafer talks about the challenge of recruiting during a pandemic. It can't be easy.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 18, 2021 12:38PM

he fact the ivies didnt offer sports can be seen as a lack of commitment or viewed as even more of a commitment to the kids.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Cop at Lynah (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 18, 2021 07:21PM

The IVY Presidents are so ideologically challenged they can't get their shit straight Pathetic. One minute it's follow the science and the next breath they shut everything down. If they really cared about student health and well being they would be closed to in person instruction. They know that there are large gatherings on/off campus but since they need the influx of revenue they are willing to take that risk. But somehow athletic competition is different to them.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 20, 2021 12:12AM

Cop at Lynah
The IVY Presidents are so ideologically challenged they can't get their shit straight

It's not "ideology." A slot machine does not have an ideology.

Their only job, until such time as they are replaced by robots, is to make sure derpy parents and derpier donors keep pressing the PAY bar that dispenses the Ivy smugness pellets.

Everything else is just a means to do that more effectively.

It's not politics. It's just business Sonny.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2021 12:12AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Roy 82 (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: February 22, 2021 12:05AM

Trotsky
Cop at Lynah
The IVY Presidents are so ideologically challenged they can't get their shit straight

It's not "ideology." A slot machine does not have an ideology.

Their only job, until such time as they are replaced by robots, is to make sure derpy parents and derpier donors keep pressing the PAY bar that dispenses the Ivy smugness pellets.

Everything else is just a means to do that more effectively.

It's not politics. It's just business Sonny.

Why do you believe that their decisions on athletics are based on maximizing revenue?
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 22, 2021 07:49AM

Roy 82
Trotsky
Cop at Lynah
The IVY Presidents are so ideologically challenged they can't get their shit straight

It's not "ideology." A slot machine does not have an ideology.

Their only job, until such time as they are replaced by robots, is to make sure derpy parents and derpier donors keep pressing the PAY bar that dispenses the Ivy smugness pellets.

Everything else is just a means to do that more effectively.

It's not politics. It's just business Sonny.

Why do you believe that their decisions on athletics are based on maximizing revenue?

It's not exactly revenue. Money is only a crass and arbitrary scorekeeping device.

It's brand. The Ivies live or die by maintaining a magical moat between them and the others. It's a guild system -- you pull up the draw bridge and create entry barriers. You deny equal footing to others by fiat. You protect your discriminator -- your label.

Ivies need to behave differently. Banning "athletic scholarships" (while having operational equivalents in place) is one marketing tactic. Not playing is (fortunately) another.

HYP can survive competing head-to-head with anybody else because of endowment and the momentum of a hundred years of class prestige and because, annoyingly, they still deliver the goods. The other five have to maintain the gated community or be overwhelmed by dozens of competitors.

Why? Christ, man, what do you want from me?


 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 18, 2021 09:35AM

Power forward Tyler Catalano. Looks like Elite Prospects finally went to a pay wall so I can't find much else.


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2021 09:36AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 18, 2021 10:57AM

Trotsky
Power forward Tyler Catalano. Looks like Elite Prospects finally went to a pay wall so I can't find much else.


2nd round pick of the USHL Youngstown team in last year’s futures draft, and was drafted by Windsor of the OHL. Big kid. Looks like an excellent pickup.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 18, 2021 12:48PM

Trotsky is right. It IS the brand, which includes a whole lot more than cash-in-hand or a winning hockey team. The Ivy League did a fine job of protecting the Ivy League brand, and protecting students in the process.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 18, 2021 01:40PM

scoop85
Trotsky
Power forward Tyler Catalano. Looks like Elite Prospects finally went to a pay wall so I can't find much else.


2nd round pick of the USHL Youngstown team in last year’s futures draft, and was drafted by Windsor of the OHL. Big kid. Looks like an excellent pickup.

6'4" and 201 lbs. Our kind of guy.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 18, 2021 06:00PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
scoop85
Trotsky
Power forward Tyler Catalano. Looks like Elite Prospects finally went to a pay wall so I can't find much else.

2nd round pick of the USHL Youngstown team in last year’s futures draft, and was drafted by Windsor of the OHL. Big kid. Looks like an excellent pickup.

6'4" and 201 lbs. Our kind of guy.
He's on a U16 team, can he really be that big and 15?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2021 06:00PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 18, 2021 09:13PM

Trotsky
Jeff Hopkins '82
scoop85
Trotsky
Power forward Tyler Catalano. Looks like Elite Prospects finally went to a pay wall so I can't find much else.

2nd round pick of the USHL Youngstown team in last year’s futures draft, and was drafted by Windsor of the OHL. Big kid. Looks like an excellent pickup.

6'4" and 201 lbs. Our kind of guy.
He's on a U16 team, can he really be that big and 15?

According to Elite Prospects, he's 17 now (DOB Feb. 24, 2004)
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 18, 2021 09:59PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
Jeff Hopkins '82
scoop85
Trotsky
Power forward Tyler Catalano. Looks like Elite Prospects finally went to a pay wall so I can't find much else.

2nd round pick of the USHL Youngstown team in last year’s futures draft, and was drafted by Windsor of the OHL. Big kid. Looks like an excellent pickup.

6'4" and 201 lbs. Our kind of guy.
He's on a U16 team, can he really be that big and 15?

According to Elite Prospects, he's 17 now (DOB Feb. 24, 2004)

Shrimp.

We have a fair number of commitments now.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: abmarks (107.242.117.---)
Date: March 19, 2021 08:13PM

Trotsky
We have a fair number of commitments now.

According to that link...13 for 2021 arrival? That'll be interesting.

Wonder how tall this kid is gonna get given hi current height. 6'6?
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 19, 2021 08:16PM

abmarks
Trotsky
We have a fair number of commitments now.


According to that link...13 for 2021 arrival? That'll be interesting.

It's what I have pieced together from different sources, but nobody knows. I mean, nobody actually knows if there will even be a '22 season, though for the first time in a year I have some confidence.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2021 08:16PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: abmarks (107.242.117.---)
Date: March 19, 2021 08:17PM

Trotsky
abmarks
Trotsky
We have a fair number of commitments now.


According to that link...13 for 2021 arrival? That'll be interesting.

It's what I have pieced together from different sources, but nobody knows. I mean, nobody actually knows if there will even be a '22 season, though for the first time in a year I have some confidence.

Even if true that they were 13, I have to think that they would be a bit of cherry picking and some of those folks would get deferred or commitments dropped
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: CAS (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 19, 2021 08:31PM

That list of 13 includes the 4 freshmen who entered in the fall of 2020
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 19, 2021 09:47PM

abmarks
Trotsky
abmarks
Trotsky
We have a fair number of commitments now.


According to that link...13 for 2021 arrival? That'll be interesting.

It's what I have pieced together from different sources, but nobody knows. I mean, nobody actually knows if there will even be a '22 season, though for the first time in a year I have some confidence.

Even if true that they were 13, I have to think that they would be a bit of cherry picking and some of those folks would get deferred or commitments dropped

They may need 13, though. How many returning players are actually going to be left?

Hell, they may need 18.

The first season back, whenever that is, is going to be the closest we will ever see to a random draft.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2021 09:48PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 20, 2021 02:02AM

There is going to be an Ivy season next year. Sports around the country was janky but by and large they made it work. I think the Ivies did the right thing but by next year there will be very limited appetite for opting out of everything again. I don't know if that's good or bad but it's what it will be.

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: March 20, 2021 01:08PM

ugarte
There is going to be an Ivy season next year. Sports around the country was janky but by and large they made it work. I think the Ivies did the right thing but by next year there will be very limited appetite for opting out of everything again. I don't know if that's good or bad but it's what it will be.
Cornell sees a jump in cases. [cornellsun.com]
Sun
About half of these cases are tied to first-year students living on North Campus, Pollack wrote. Many of the cases are also linked to transmission from Greek life organizations, athletic teams, parties and travel outside of Ithaca. [emphasis added]
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 20, 2021 04:12PM

ugarte
There is going to be an Ivy season next year. Sports around the country was janky but by and large they made it work. I think the Ivies did the right thing but by next year there will be very limited appetite for opting out of everything again. I don't know if that's good or bad but it's what it will be.
Depends what happens. If we get smarter and maintain lockdown and masks and social distancing through summer then we'll be through it and we can open safely.

If we... well, if we do what you know we will do, and rush to reopen, then there could be an enormous wave and we'll be right back to lockdown and another lost season.

It all comes down to the intelligence of the public (uh oh) and the bravery of the officials who have to institute unpopular policies (uh oh).

tl; dr: we're most likely fucked. Hopefully we see a Darwinian effect down the line.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/20/2021 04:13PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 20, 2021 05:17PM

Trotsky
ugarte
There is going to be an Ivy season next year. Sports around the country was janky but by and large they made it work. I think the Ivies did the right thing but by next year there will be very limited appetite for opting out of everything again. I don't know if that's good or bad but it's what it will be.
Depends what happens. If we get smarter and maintain lockdown and masks and social distancing through summer then we'll be through it and we can open safely.

If we... well, if we do what you know we will do, and rush to reopen, then there could be an enormous wave and we'll be right back to lockdown and another lost season.

It all comes down to the intelligence of the public (uh oh) and the bravery of the officials who have to institute unpopular policies (uh oh).

tl; dr: we're most likely fucked. Hopefully we see a Darwinian effect down the line.

Oughtn't we be somewhere close to herd immunity in the U.S. by the fall semester if the more recent vaccination plans pan out? That's not to say that stupid people can't screw that up, but...

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 20, 2021 05:29PM

Trotsky
ugarte
There is going to be an Ivy season next year. Sports around the country was janky but by and large they made it work. I think the Ivies did the right thing but by next year there will be very limited appetite for opting out of everything again. I don't know if that's good or bad but it's what it will be.
Depends what happens. If we get smarter and maintain lockdown and masks and social distancing through summer then we'll be through it and we can open safely.

If we... well, if we do what you know we will do, and rush to reopen, then there could be an enormous wave and we'll be right back to lockdown and another lost season.

It all comes down to the intelligence of the public (uh oh) and the bravery of the officials who have to institute unpopular policies (uh oh).

tl; dr: we're most likely fucked. Hopefully we see a Darwinian effect down the line.

Speaking of Darwin, here’s a scene from spring break in Florida. Yeah, we may be fucked.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 21, 2021 07:46AM

scoop85
Speaking of Darwin, here’s a scene from spring break in Florida.

"Every MAGA is a moron, but not every moron is a MAGA."
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 21, 2021 10:20AM

Darwin never rests. He's constantly thinning out the smug and the feeble-minded - but it's like whack-a-mole.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: March 21, 2021 08:05PM

Beeeej
Trotsky
ugarte
There is going to be an Ivy season next year. Sports around the country was janky but by and large they made it work. I think the Ivies did the right thing but by next year there will be very limited appetite for opting out of everything again. I don't know if that's good or bad but it's what it will be.
Depends what happens. If we get smarter and maintain lockdown and masks and social distancing through summer then we'll be through it and we can open safely.

If we... well, if we do what you know we will do, and rush to reopen, then there could be an enormous wave and we'll be right back to lockdown and another lost season.

It all comes down to the intelligence of the public (uh oh) and the bravery of the officials who have to institute unpopular policies (uh oh).

tl; dr: we're most likely fucked. Hopefully we see a Darwinian effect down the line.

Oughtn't we be somewhere close to herd immunity in the U.S. by the fall semester if the more recent vaccination plans pan out? That's not to say that stupid people can't screw that up, but...

Not really. No kids under 16 vaccinated and I think that's around 20% of population. Throw in that 50% of Republican males say they won't get it, and somewhat lower for females, those get you at least down another 10-15%. So there you have 30-35% unvaccinated and doesn't count the number of others who say no.

What we don't know is how many of unvaccinated were infected and have some immunity. I say some as it looks like imunity from the vaccines is better than prior infection.

So depending upon what % is needed for Herd effects, we probably won't be there till kids get immunized. That may start for older, 12-16, before the end of the year, but younger kids probably next year. Kids don't get as sick, but can still transmit and they are hosts that can lead to more variants.

If we keep this going, here and abroad, the concern is a variant that is vaccine resistant.

The only good thing about the varriant possibility is that the mRNA vaccines can be adjusted very quickly to cover variants, but it would mean getting everyone vaccinated again.

And get used to wearing masks. Even if we open up for spectators, you may go to a game wearing a mask.

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 22, 2021 08:51AM

Jim Hyla
Beeeej
Trotsky
ugarte
There is going to be an Ivy season next year. Sports around the country was janky but by and large they made it work. I think the Ivies did the right thing but by next year there will be very limited appetite for opting out of everything again. I don't know if that's good or bad but it's what it will be.
Depends what happens. If we get smarter and maintain lockdown and masks and social distancing through summer then we'll be through it and we can open safely.

If we... well, if we do what you know we will do, and rush to reopen, then there could be an enormous wave and we'll be right back to lockdown and another lost season.

It all comes down to the intelligence of the public (uh oh) and the bravery of the officials who have to institute unpopular policies (uh oh).

tl; dr: we're most likely fucked. Hopefully we see a Darwinian effect down the line.

Oughtn't we be somewhere close to herd immunity in the U.S. by the fall semester if the more recent vaccination plans pan out? That's not to say that stupid people can't screw that up, but...

Not really. No kids under 16 vaccinated and I think that's around 20% of population. Throw in that 50% of Republican males say they won't get it, and somewhat lower for females, those get you at least down another 10-15%. So there you have 30-35% unvaccinated and doesn't count the number of others who say no.

What we don't know is how many of unvaccinated were infected and have some immunity. I say some as it looks like imunity from the vaccines is better than prior infection.

So depending upon what % is needed for Herd effects, we probably won't be there till kids get immunized. That may start for older, 12-16, before the end of the year, but younger kids probably next year. Kids don't get as sick, but can still transmit and they are hosts that can lead to more variants.

If we keep this going, here and abroad, the concern is a variant that is vaccine resistant.

The only good thing about the variant possibility is that the mRNA vaccines can be adjusted very quickly to cover variants, but it would mean getting everyone vaccinated again.

And get used to wearing masks. Even if we open up for spectators, you may go to a game wearing a mask.

Not to mention that these higher transmissibility variants means a higher percentage vaccinated required for herd immunity.

IMO, I think we're going to be dealing with "boosters" for a while, too.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: March 22, 2021 10:15AM

I have a right to refuse a Covid vaccination because I don't want it, and along with that right comes my right to infect others wth Covid and destroy any hope of herd immunity. That goes for hockey teams too.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2021 12:49PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Not to mention that these higher transmissibility variants means a higher percentage vaccinated required for herd immunity.

IMO, I think we're going to be dealing with "boosters" for a while, too.
Just read on a cruise forum that the UK is planning on doing annual shots a la the standard flu shot.

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date: March 22, 2021 01:29PM

Al DeFlorio
Jeff Hopkins '82
Not to mention that these higher transmissibility variants means a higher percentage vaccinated required for herd immunity.

IMO, I think we're going to be dealing with "boosters" for a while, too.
Just read on a cruise forum that the UK is planning on doing annual shots a la the standard flu shot.

Hopefully it can just be added to the annual flu shot.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.datapacket.com)
Date: March 25, 2021 10:57PM

  1. Won't any boosters have to be matched to the original vaccine?
  2. More important than herd immunity, isn't the bigger issue mutations? As long as there are enough morons, won't the virus find lots of hosts in which to mutate?
ursusminor
Al DeFlorio
Jeff Hopkins '82
Not to mention that these higher transmissibility variants means a higher percentage vaccinated required for herd immunity.

IMO, I think we're going to be dealing with "boosters" for a while, too.
Just read on a cruise forum that the UK is planning on doing annual shots a la the standard flu shot.

Hopefully it can just be added to the annual flu shot.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: March 27, 2021 12:25AM

Al DeFlorio
Jeff Hopkins '82
Not to mention that these higher transmissibility variants means a higher percentage vaccinated required for herd immunity.

IMO, I think we're going to be dealing with "boosters" for a while, too.
Just read on a cruise forum that the UK is planning on doing annual shots a la the standard flu shot.

Didn't know you were a swinger
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: March 27, 2021 12:27AM

Jim of course is spot on, plus the issue of variants.

Here's my question though. Everybody in the hockey program is over 16. They will be plenty of shots available come fall... So why don't we and the league just mandate vaccination for participation by the players as well as the coaching staff.

Even if we're not at herd immunity it seems to me that would be sufficient to let the kids play. Jim, any reason that might not work?
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: March 27, 2021 09:29AM

its gonna be required to get a shot to go to school if the school gets their way.. shots are gonna be available by May the way things look now in NY.. I think the opt out rate by college kids will be way lower than for an avg person.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 27, 2021 12:01PM

abmarks
Here's my question though. Everybody in the hockey program is over 16. They will be plenty of shots available come fall... So why don't we and the league just mandate vaccination for participation by the players as well as the coaching staff.

According to the NYS COVID website those now eligible include “Not-for-profit workers who provide public-facing services to New Yorkers in need.” I live in Rochester and need Big Red hockey!
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: April 02, 2021 01:40PM

I don't see any reason that immunized hockey teams, including everyone associated withe the team, facilities, etc., wouldn't be safe to play.

Unfortunately fans are a different subject. It'll be interesting to see what happens with concerts this summer, as some are getting going.

In regards to yearly COVID boosters, I think it's almost guaranteed. Much of the third world has not really been able to get started with vaccinations, and that might take well into 2022 or even longer.

The comment that the longer we let the virus be around, the greater the chance of bad variants, is spot on. If one of the current variants gets changed a little more, it's likely to be at least more resistant to the current vaccines. So boom you are starting all over. Better to give a yearly booster to cover the known bad variants. COVID will likely be with us for many more years. We'll control it, but not eliminate it.

Regarding combined boosters for flu and COVID, I doubt it, at least for next year. You may well want to get your booster from the same manufacturer. If so that basically eliminates combinations. Even if that's not true, and there are current trials of getting your first shot from one manufacturer and second from another, the storing conditions for flu and COVID are certainly different for the mRNA. Also they'd have to do studies on people to at least show that you get good antibody levels with a combined vaccine. Then you have to have a facility to combine them. It seems for now that we should put our efforts to vaccinate the world and see about appropriate boosters. Then when things are more relaxed, we can look to solve the combination problem.

 
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Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: April 02, 2021 09:07PM

Jim Hyla
I don't see any reason that immunized hockey teams, including everyone associated withe the team, facilities, etc., wouldn't be safe to play.

Unfortunately fans are a different subject. It'll be interesting to see what happens with concerts this summer, as some are getting going.

In regards to yearly COVID boosters, I think it's almost guaranteed. Much of the third world has not really been able to get started with vaccinations, and that might take well into 2022 or even longer.

The comment that the longer we let the virus be around, the greater the chance of bad variants, is spot on. If one of the current variants gets changed a little more, it's likely to be at least more resistant to the current vaccines. So boom you are starting all over. Better to give a yearly booster to cover the known bad variants. COVID will likely be with us for many more years. We'll control it, but not eliminate it.

Regarding combined boosters for flu and COVID, I doubt it, at least for next year. You may well want to get your booster from the same manufacturer. If so that basically eliminates combinations. Even if that's not true, and there are current trials of getting your first shot from one manufacturer and second from another, the storing conditions for flu and COVID are certainly different for the mRNA. Also they'd have to do studies on people to at least show that you get good antibody levels with a combined vaccine. Then you have to have a facility to combine them. It seems for now that we should put our efforts to vaccinate the world and see about appropriate boosters. Then when things are more relaxed, we can look to solve the combination problem.

I heard today Vietnam is asking the world for help obtaining vaccines. They need 150 M and only have 1 M. Without vaccines, that'd be one hot incubator for mutations. Uncle Ho's revenge.

Frankly, I don't understand why pundits and pols aren't making this point more forcefully. As long as the virus is running free, in Vietnam or Texas, we're playing with a ticking time bomb.
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net)
Date: April 03, 2021 06:58AM

Jim Hyla
Regarding combined boosters for flu and COVID, I doubt it, at least for next year. You may well want to get your booster from the same manufacturer. If so that basically eliminates combinations. Even if that's not true, and there are current trials of getting your first shot from one manufacturer and second from another, the storing conditions for flu and COVID are certainly different for the mRNA. Also they'd have to do studies on people to at least show that you get good antibody levels with a combined vaccine. Then you have to have a facility to combine them. It seems for now that we should put our efforts to vaccinate the world and see about appropriate boosters. Then when things are more relaxed, we can look to solve the combination problem.
Good point about manufacturers being different making it unlikely that the flu and COVID shots can be combined at least initially. The advantage of two shots is that I get my shots the pharmacy inside a nearby Safeway supermarket which gives me a coupon for 10% off on a grocery purchase, and with separate shots given on different days, I will get two coupons.:-D
 
Re: Recruits beyond 2020
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: April 03, 2021 01:09PM

this is one reason better testing needs to happen.. if you cant contain it with shots you have to have a method to track it and stop it from spreading. there was a ton of energy around that early with all kinds of ideas but very little has actually been created.. blood test, spit test, breathe test. need something faster and reproducible to slow the spread.
 

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