Corona Virus And Playoff Games

For the record, the Ivy League statement said individual institutions will get to decide on Winter sports seasons. Given how near the end is for both the Men's and Women's teams and assuming the NCAA still has the event in some fashion (whether it's in front of empty stadiums, etc.), I very much doubt we'll make the move to end those seasons.

CU2007

semsox
Uh oh...

Breaking: Harvard not allowing team to play. Forfeits this weekend. ECAC tournament in jeopardy. More to follow

— College Hockey News (@chnews) March 11, 2020

This isn’t going to end well. Once one domino falls...

Holy. Shit.

semsox
For the record, the Ivy League statement said individual institutions will get to decide on Winter sports seasons. Given how near the end is for both the Men's and Women's teams and assuming the NCAA still has the event in some fashion (whether it's in front of empty stadiums, etc.), I very much doubt we'll make the move to end those seasons.

I really wouldn't be counting on anything at this point.

adamw

semsox
For the record, the Ivy League statement said individual institutions will get to decide on Winter sports seasons. Given how near the end is for both the Men's and Women's teams and assuming the NCAA still has the event in some fashion (whether it's in front of empty stadiums, etc.), I very much doubt we'll make the move to end those seasons.

I really wouldn't be counting on anything at this point.

Except uncertainty

It occurs to me that with Harvard out they should reseed.

7 Yale at 4 RPI
8 Colgate at 3 Quinnipiac
11 Princeton at 2 Clarkson
1 Cornell bye

Trotsky
It occurs to me that with Harvard out they should reseed.

7 Yale at 4 RPI
8 Colgate at 3 Quinnipiac
11 Princeton at 2 Clarkson
1 Cornell bye

interesting. less hockey before it all goes away but interesting.

NCAA is recommending everything be played in empty arenas with skeleton staff [www.ncaa.org]

ugarte
NCAA is recommending everything be played in empty arenas with skeleton staff [www.ncaa.org]

Ah, shit.

lets just hope they keep playing

upprdeck
lets just hope they keep playing

This is where I'm at. I'm all for drastic measures, and I think barring fans is the right move.

But playing the games in front of an empty crowd seems low risk enough.

can you really think that the kids are more at risk playing than sitting around? if they play in empty arenas is that more of an issue than going to the grocery store?

Dafatone

upprdeck
lets just hope they keep playing

This is where I'm at. I'm all for drastic measures, and I think barring fans is the right move.

But playing the games in front of an empty crowd seems low risk enough.

Yeah at this point I'd come to peace with not being there in person, but I still want there to be games.

Jim Hyla
Just got an email from Tickets about my refund. They are giving back $6/ticket, which seems low, but I'll have to look at my season ticket prices.

Our local newspaper tries a similar stunt (if your newspaper is not delivered)... They offer up a $.058 refund for a Sunday newspaper that costs $3 on the newstand. Thieves!! When I object and point out that I paid $3 for a replacement newspaper AND, that the newspaper is probably actually worth far less, they will cough up the full $3 refund. I guess you can't hate them for trying (to screw me).

i am still trying to find anything that says how much the ecac tickets really cost.. But I know the tickets were not $6 this week

upprdeck
can you really think that the kids are more at risk playing than sitting around? if they play in empty arenas is that more of an issue than going to the grocery store?

+1

Just got this email.

WEAR YOUR RED FOR PLAYOFF WEEKEND!

MARCH 13TH - 15TH

Help us make Lynah Rink a “C” of Red for the HOME PLAYOFF games
We want ALL in attendance wearing RED.
Please wear a RED Cornell hockey jersey, a RED sweatshirt, a RED jacket or anything RED to show your team spirit and support our team!
#YellCornell

Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069

Martha's email to campus would imply life goes on as normal until break and thats after hockey gets thru to the end of the ECAC so Cornell should at least finish that much. After that things may be worse or better and re-address.

Jim Hyla
Just got this email.

WEAR YOUR RED FOR PLAYOFF WEEKEND!

MARCH 13TH - 15TH

Help us make Lynah Rink a “C” of Red for the HOME PLAYOFF games
We want ALL in attendance wearing RED.
Please wear a RED Cornell hockey jersey, a RED sweatshirt, a RED jacket or anything RED to show your team spirit and support our team!
#YellCornell

Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069

Yeah, I received that too. Guessing someone pre-scheduled the delivery of those and forgot they had done that.

Nothing like rubbing some salt in the wound...

upprdeck
i am still trying to find anything that says how much the ecac tickets really cost.. But I know the tickets were not $6 this week

A friend of mine bought tix for Friday's game @ $20 each. They told him that he will be refunded the full $20 per ticket. It just doesn't seem right that season ticketholders would be refunded an amount so far below face-value.

I found my notes from last year and $6 was that refund too.. I just cant believe thats what we were really charged last summer when they came out but maybe.

upprdeck
I found my notes from last year and $6 was that refund too.. I just cant believe thats what we were really charged last summer when they came out but maybe.

Just because they got away with thievery last year, doesn't make it right THIS YEAR! They're going to make a bundle on this game without allowing many people to see the game live. That's a sin!

not sure how they are making money on the game if thats what they really charged though. And its not their money anyway.. None of the playoff money goes to Cornell.

Just saw on Huffington Post that the NCAA will play the Basketball tourney in closed houses (family and critical personnel only).

I think we can assume there will be no more spectators at hockey games, either in LP or the NCAA's.

And no fans in regionals or FF: NCAA announcement

Chris H82
And no fans in regionals or FF: NCAA announcement

Yeah, I read the statement after I posted.

upprdeck
not sure how they are making money on the game if thats what they really charged though. And its not their money anyway.. None of the playoff money goes to Cornell.

If it's $20 face-value ticket and they're refunding only $6 to the customer, SOMEBODY is making money!!! And, I don't give a damn if it's Cornell or whomever. It's being taken from the customer (we fans)!! That's wrong!!

To be clear, this is common practice in many areas of business; both athletics & non-athletics. It is a "screw you, customer, we're going to do it and we don't care if you like/dislike it!" mentality.... In some cases, I discontinue doing business with businesses that pull that crap.. I enjoy Cornell Hockey too much to do that. I know pulling my business does not affect the business. But, it removes my exposure to their thievery. I prefer to do business with honorable business people... They are becoming harder to find.

but I cant find where we really paid $20 for it. we could have gotten a deal. the question is what was face value for all the regular tickets.

redice

upprdeck
not sure how they are making money on the game if thats what they really charged though. And its not their money anyway.. None of the playoff money goes to Cornell.

If it's $20 face-value ticket and they're refunding only $6 to the customer, SOMEBODY is making money!!! And, I don't give a damn if it's Cornell or whomever. It's being taken from the customer (we fans)!! That's wrong!!

To be clear, this is common practice in many areas of business; both athletics & non-athletics. It is a "screw you, customer, we're going to do it and we don't care if you like/dislike it!" mentality.... In some cases, I discontinue doing business with businesses that pull that crap.. I enjoy Cornell Hockey too much to do that. I know pulling my business does not affect the business. But, it removes my exposure to their thievery. I prefer to do business with honorable business people... They are becoming harder to find.

Jim can do the math. It's a season ticket. They are usually less than the cost of individual games. If Cornell increases the price for the quarterfinals vs the rest of the games this doesn't change what a season ticket holder paid in September.

I am not saying we are not getting ripped off either... I just dont think its as simple as $20 vs $6. Cornell could have charged us $10 and sent $6 to the ECAC for their cut months ago too and maybe thats what the ECAC sends them back.. The hard part is not really knowing since it seems to be hidden in the costs up front. Have to try and remember if you can remove the ECAC package up front next yr so its easier to see. Or maybe in 2-3 yrs hen hockey starts up again.

upprdeck
I am not saying we are not getting ripped off either... I just dont think its as simple as $20 vs $6. Cornell could have charged us $10 and sent $6 to the ECAC for their cut months ago too and maybe thats what the ECAC sends them back.. The hard part is not really knowing since it seems to be hidden in the costs up front. Have to try and remember if you can remove the ECAC package up front next yr so its easier to see. Or maybe in 2-3 yrs hen hockey starts up again.

I agree that it'd not a simple $14 ripoff. But, they ARE ripping us off and saying it's in the hands of someone else (ECACHL) doesn't make it more tolerable. They need to make us whole. It's only a few dollars for each of us. But, for the whole crowd, somebody is making a bundle for providing NOTHING!!

redice

upprdeck
I am not saying we are not getting ripped off either... I just dont think its as simple as $20 vs $6. Cornell could have charged us $10 and sent $6 to the ECAC for their cut months ago too and maybe thats what the ECAC sends them back.. The hard part is not really knowing since it seems to be hidden in the costs up front. Have to try and remember if you can remove the ECAC package up front next yr so its easier to see. Or maybe in 2-3 yrs hen hockey starts up again.

I agree that it'd not a simple $14 ripoff. But, they ARE ripping us off and saying it's in the hands of someone else (ECACHL) doesn't make it more tolerable. They need to make us whole. It's only a few dollars for each of us. But, for the whole crowd, somebody is making a bundle for providing NOTHING!!

I'm guessing the season tickets are no longer available with/without playoffs. Back when that was the case, it was easy to tell what the differential cost of the playoff games was.

Jim Hyla
Just got an email from Tickets about my refund. They are giving back $6/ticket, which seems low, but I'll have to look at my season ticket prices.

Löwen Frankfurt are offering a deal where playoff tickets can be replaced with the same tickets to the first two games next season, and we get a commemorative t-shirt (which they were going to sell for 5€ at the games) for free. Notwithstanding the price difference between playoff and regular season tickets, I don't know if we'll be here in the fall, or if the first two RS games will fit our schedule (we can basically only blow the kiddo's bedtime for Friday night games), so I'll go for the refund. But I may still buy the t-shirt for the playoffs that weren't.

Obviously we're all praying that winter sports will be allowed to continue through the championships until early April. But it looks like we're going to have to watch the games on TV unless (a) as individuals we can score guest passes or (b) they develop a vaccine.

So this brings up the logical next question, will TV crews be allowed in to televise the games? And if they are, do they have to wear hazmat suits?

redice

upprdeck
i am still trying to find anything that says how much the ecac tickets really cost.. But I know the tickets were not $6 this week

A friend of mine bought tix for Friday's game @ $20 each. They told him that he will be refunded the full $20 per ticket. It just doesn't seem right that season ticketholders would be refunded an amount so far below face-value.

do you pay full single-game price for a season ticket? if not, it's not entirely unreasonable to refund less than the single-game price for a voided playoff ticket.

Per CHN: The ECAC will reseed, and with Yale following Harvard's lead, top-seeded Cornell and No. 2 Clarkson will have byes to the semifinals. The league still plans to allow fans into 1980 Olympic Arena, but the report rightly notes that "it's a fluid situation changing very rapidly."

ugarte

redice

upprdeck
i am still trying to find anything that says how much the ecac tickets really cost.. But I know the tickets were not $6 this week

A friend of mine bought tix for Friday's game @ $20 each. They told him that he will be refunded the full $20 per ticket. It just doesn't seem right that season ticketholders would be refunded an amount so far below face-value.

do you pay full single-game price for a season ticket? if not, it's not entirely unreasonable to refund less than the single-game price for a voided playoff ticket.

The issue with this sort of thing is that usually there's a discounted price per game for a season ticket, but all games are not equal. If all games were equal, then divide the price of a season's ticket by the number of games, and you have the per-game price. But two problems arise. (1) Clearly a playoff game has greater value than most ordinary in-season games. If this is reflected in the per-game pricing, then the refund value of a playoff game for a season ticket holder should be proportionate to the price of an individual playoff ticket compared to that of an ordinary game.

But (2) makes this much more complicated. (2) At the beginning of the season there's no guarantee the team will be playing in the playoffs, particularly at home. So the fact that a season ticket includes home playoff games, if any, involves a gamble.

I'm sure jtw can figure out an equitable way to place a value on the gamble, but unfortunately Cornell's Athletic Department cannot. Besides, who ever heard of the house giving even odds on a gamble?

Swampy
I'm sure jtw can figure out an equitable way to place a value on the gamble, but unfortunately Cornell's Athletic Department cannot. Besides, who ever heard of the house giving even odds on a gamble?

my formula for the "fair" "value" of a playoff ticket to a season ticketholder is this:

(season ticket price - (single-game price x regular season games)) / number of playoff games

there are more generous formulations but that is minimum fairness

kingpin248
Per CHN: The ECAC will reseed, and with Yale following Harvard's lead, top-seeded Cornell and No. 2 Clarkson will have byes to the semifinals. The league still plans to allow fans into 1980 Olympic Arena, but the report rightly notes that "it's a fluid situation changing very rapidly."

Interesting development and probably the right approach to this. Assuming LP happens (and as we have seen that may be a big if) our guys will have a lot of time off.

so did yale just give up on the bball team as well and harvard .dang maybe cornell can make it if a few more give up

kingpin248
Per CHN: The ECAC will reseed, and with Yale following Harvard's lead, top-seeded Cornell and No. 2 Clarkson will have byes to the semifinals. The league still plans to allow fans into 1980 Olympic Arena, but the report rightly notes that "it's a fluid situation changing very rapidly."

Shit!

I woke up this morning looking forward to watching four high-level Cornell games this coming weekend. Now, I'm down to one!

Maybe a silver lining will be that everyone who would ordinarily view or attend the men's hockey games and/or lacrosse match but skip the women's game will now view the women's NC$$ quarterfinal at 2 PM this Saturday.

It is going to be televised, isn't it? Somebody please tell me "Yes."

Swampy

kingpin248
Per CHN: The ECAC will reseed, and with Yale following Harvard's lead, top-seeded Cornell and No. 2 Clarkson will have byes to the semifinals. The league still plans to allow fans into 1980 Olympic Arena, but the report rightly notes that "it's a fluid situation changing very rapidly."

Shit!

I woke up this morning looking forward to watching four high-level Cornell games this coming weekend. Now, I'm down to one!

Maybe a silver lining will be that everyone who would ordinarily view or attend the men's hockey games and/or lacrosse match but skip the women's game will now view the women's NC$$ quarterfinal at 2 PM this Saturday.

It is going to be televised, isn't it? Somebody please tell me "Yes."

Yes, there’s a link on the Cornell Women’s thread.

So the NBA season is now suspended after Rudy Gobert of the Jazz tested positive for the virus (why he was tested I have no idea, since he said he was feeling well enough to play). Hard to see any sports events going forward at this point.

ugarte

redice

upprdeck
i am still trying to find anything that says how much the ecac tickets really cost.. But I know the tickets were not $6 this week

A friend of mine bought tix for Friday's game @ $20 each. They told him that he will be refunded the full $20 per ticket. It just doesn't seem right that season ticketholders would be refunded an amount so far below face-value.

do you pay full single-game price for a season ticket? if not, it's not entirely unreasonable to refund less than the single-game price for a voided playoff ticket.

That's obvious. But, I'm pretty sure I didn't pay just $6 per ticket for the playoff ticket. There's an inequity here. That's my point!

Wormer dropped the Big One. Only a matter of time til Lake Placid does it.

NBA suspends season. Not sure if MLB will cancel Spring Training.

Trotsky
Wormer dropped the Big One. Only a matter of time til Lake Placid does it.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Lots of discussion about $6 refunds on $20 (or close to it) tickets. But let's look at the big numbers / big issues as they apply not only to Cornell but to all the schools that are canceling "in-person" classes and sending the students home. Will the schools be issuing partial tuition refunds? The students did not pay for "distance learning." It doesn't seem at all fair to charge as much for that type of education as for what the student expected when the tuition was paid. What about housing? Are the schools going to issue partial refunds on housing, meal plans, etc.

There is some serious money at stake here.

andyw2100
Lots of discussion about $6 refunds on $20 (or close to it) tickets. But let's look at the big numbers / big issues as they apply not only to Cornell but to all the schools that are canceling "in-person" classes and sending the students home. Will the schools be issuing partial tuition refunds? The students did not pay for "distance learning." It doesn't seem at all fair to charge as much for that type of education as for what the student expected when the tuition was paid. What about housing? Are the schools going to issue partial refunds on housing, meal plans, etc.

There is some serious money at stake here.

I figure they have to give partial refunds on housing. As to tuition itself, they're probably safe but who knows.

Dafatone

andyw2100
Lots of discussion about $6 refunds on $20 (or close to it) tickets. But let's look at the big numbers / big issues as they apply not only to Cornell but to all the schools that are canceling "in-person" classes and sending the students home. Will the schools be issuing partial tuition refunds? The students did not pay for "distance learning." It doesn't seem at all fair to charge as much for that type of education as for what the student expected when the tuition was paid. What about housing? Are the schools going to issue partial refunds on housing, meal plans, etc.

There is some serious money at stake here.

I figure they have to give partial refunds on housing. As to tuition itself, they're probably safe but who knows.

Was just reading an article in the NYT about that. A bigger issue is foreign students whose student visas don't allow them to take online classes.

Not sure I agree that reseeding the ecacs is good for us.

-we'll be off for three weeks by the time the ecac semi rolls around. That's an awful lot of rust to shake off before game time in LP.

-wonder what the pwr implications are from not playing the extra two games. We are so close to the #2 spot would 2 more wins be enough to nudge us up in rpi? Or would they not help since Princeton is such a bad team?

Then again, probably much more pwr downside from the tiny chance we drop a game than from the quick sweep?

scoop85
So the NBA season is now suspended after Rudy Gobert of the Jazz tested positive for the virus (why he was tested I have no idea, since he said he was feeling well enough to play). Hard to see any sports events going forward at this point.

I suppose if no player/coach in the sport has caught it yet, there's a chance it goes on. But the NBA certainly is going to set a precedent that if anyone close to it comes down with the virus that the hammer will come down.

abmarks
Not sure I agree that reseeding the ecacs is good for us.

-we'll be off for three weeks by the time the ecac semi rolls around. That's an awful lot of rust to shake off before game time in LP.

-wonder what the pwr implications are from not playing the extra two games. We are so close to the #2 spot would 2 more wins be enough to nudge us up in rpi? Or would they not help since Princeton is such a bad team?

Then again, probably much more pwr downside from the tiny chance we drop a game than from the quick sweep?

I have to figure there's some, but very little, upside to winning in the pairwise. And if we lose, it'd hurt bad.

I'm worried about the rust. I'm more worried about whether we play the rest of the season. And I'm even more worried about getting through this damned thing while minimizing the crisis.

But the rust, too.

The pep band has been told they are done for the year FWIW.

Someone asked if it's any more dangerous for the players to play a game vs going to the supermarket and so far everyone responding to that agreed it's the same risk. But that's nonsense. You get the virus via eyes, nose, or mouth and it's transmitted in mucus though not sweat, right?

So what's higher risk-waiting in line at the grocery store or grinding for the puck on the boards with one or more opponents in the middle of the third period? It's got to be that the game is much higher risk and with those close quarters like that.

Though if I were a player that used a wire cage, I'd be swapping for the clear shield asap since itd block far more flying bits of stuff.

Also, arguably the risk isn't in playing a game. Isn't there way more close contact and equipment sharing in the locker room or weight room every day during practices than you'd get in a game? Just look how common it is for teams to have a bunch of people go down with the flu once one guy gets it.

Dafatone

andyw2100
Lots of discussion about $6 refunds on $20 (or close to it) tickets. But let's look at the big numbers / big issues as they apply not only to Cornell but to all the schools that are canceling "in-person" classes and sending the students home. Will the schools be issuing partial tuition refunds? The students did not pay for "distance learning." It doesn't seem at all fair to charge as much for that type of education as for what the student expected when the tuition was paid. What about housing? Are the schools going to issue partial refunds on housing, meal plans, etc.

There is some serious money at stake here.

I figure they have to give partial refunds on housing. As to tuition itself, they're probably safe but who knows.

I'm assuming most affected organizations have business interruption insurance like what kicked in after Katrina. But I wonder if this will sink the insurance companies with everyone filling claims everywhere all at once.

jtwcornell91

Dafatone

andyw2100
Lots of discussion about $6 refunds on $20 (or close to it) tickets. But let's look at the big numbers / big issues as they apply not only to Cornell but to all the schools that are canceling "in-person" classes and sending the students home. Will the schools be issuing partial tuition refunds? The students did not pay for "distance learning." It doesn't seem at all fair to charge as much for that type of education as for what the student expected when the tuition was paid. What about housing? Are the schools going to issue partial refunds on housing, meal plans, etc.

There is some serious money at stake here.

I figure they have to give partial refunds on housing. As to tuition itself, they're probably safe but who knows.

I'm assuming most affected organizations have business interruption insurance like what kicked in after Katrina. But I wonder if this will sink the insurance companies with everyone filling claims everywhere all at once.

what are you even talking about? Insurance won't pay tips to waiters, wages to cooks and taxi/uber drivers. Won't pay shit to nobody that needs it.

jtwcornell91

Dafatone

andyw2100
Lots of discussion about $6 refunds on $20 (or close to it) tickets. But let's look at the big numbers / big issues as they apply not only to Cornell but to all the schools that are canceling "in-person" classes and sending the students home. Will the schools be issuing partial tuition refunds? The students did not pay for "distance learning." It doesn't seem at all fair to charge as much for that type of education as for what the student expected when the tuition was paid. What about housing? Are the schools going to issue partial refunds on housing, meal plans, etc.

There is some serious money at stake here.

I figure they have to give partial refunds on housing. As to tuition itself, they're probably safe but who knows.

I'm assuming most affected organizations have business interruption insurance like what kicked in after Katrina. But I wonder if this will sink the insurance companies with everyone filling claims everywhere all at once.

My agent said our business interruption insurance won’t cover us for this type of situation. I need to review our policy carefullly.

Another cancellation, Friday's Coach's Club Luncheon. The reason, CU won't allow a luncheon of more than 100 people, which usually happens.

So rather than limit it to the first 98, they cancel it?

scoop85

jtwcornell91

Dafatone

andyw2100
Lots of discussion about $6 refunds on $20 (or close to it) tickets. But let's look at the big numbers / big issues as they apply not only to Cornell but to all the schools that are canceling "in-person" classes and sending the students home. Will the schools be issuing partial tuition refunds? The students did not pay for "distance learning." It doesn't seem at all fair to charge as much for that type of education as for what the student expected when the tuition was paid. What about housing? Are the schools going to issue partial refunds on housing, meal plans, etc.

There is some serious money at stake here.

I figure they have to give partial refunds on housing. As to tuition itself, they're probably safe but who knows.

I'm assuming most affected organizations have business interruption insurance like what kicked in after Katrina. But I wonder if this will sink the insurance companies with everyone filling claims everywhere all at once.

My agent said our business interruption insurance won’t cover us for this type of situation. I need to review our policy carefullly.

I’ve read most insurance companies won’t cover pandemics. You need to buy that separately. Not too shocking to me after years of dealing with them as a business owner.

So can Kaldis still set the games played record?

Ever since the Coach induced flop in the 73 Semi's I have been waiting for an opportunity to cheer the Red on In Person at the Frozen Four.
This was to be the year. fly to Detroit city, sit in the Arena ON THE GODAMN GLASS NO LESS, and whoop it up.
But NOOOO
Do not Fly up from south Florida, do not enter the arena, and hope like hell that the NCAA refunds my money in a timely fashion.

SIGH
TWS, ILR '74

abmarks
The pep band has been told they are done for the year FWIW.

Someone asked if it's any more dangerous for the players to play a game vs going to the supermarket and so far everyone responding to that agreed it's the same risk. But that's nonsense. You get the virus via eyes, nose, or mouth and it's transmitted in mucus though not sweat, right?

So what's higher risk-waiting in line at the grocery store or grinding for the puck on the boards with one or more opponents in the middle of the third period? It's got to be that the game is much higher risk and with those close quarters like that.

Though if I were a player that used a wire cage, I'd be swapping for the clear shield asap since itd block far more flying bits of stuff.

Also, arguably the risk isn't in playing a game. Isn't there way more close contact and equipment sharing in the locker room or weight room every day during practices than you'd get in a game? Just look how common it is for teams to have a bunch of people go down with the flu once one guy gets it.

Your analogy is faulty. If they could ban going to the grocery store too, they would.

And the issue is not primarily the risk to the players. Instead, it's the risk they transmit it to others outside the team. Of course, in a contact sport, with both teammates and opponents, the transmission probability is higher than that of grocery shopping, except perhaps for cucumbers

Besides limiting the overall number of cases, it's important to slow the rate at which the disease is transmitted. This is because our medical system can't handle its current case load PLUS the additional load from the pandemic unless the latter is slowed. Part of Italy's problem is its geographic lack of capacity relative to need.

cufan
Ever since the Coach induced flop in the 73 Semi's I have been waiting for an opportunity to cheer the Red on In Person at the Frozen Four.
This was to be the year. fly to Detroit city, sit in the Arena ON THE GODAMN GLASS NO LESS, and whoop it up.
But NOOOO
Do not Fly up from south Florida, do not enter the arena, and hope like hell that the NCAA refunds my money in a timely fashion.

SIGH
TWS, ILR '74

That's the next question: How much of our money does the greedy NC$$ refund? I'm betting that it won't be 100% of what I sent to them!!

nshapiro
So can Kaldis still set the games played record?

Assuming nothing else gets cancelled, the Big Red has a maximum of 6 games left (2 LP, 4 NCAA). So yes.

Swampy

abmarks
The pep band has been told they are done for the year FWIW.

Someone asked if it's any more dangerous for the players to play a game vs going to the supermarket and so far everyone responding to that agreed it's the same risk. But that's nonsense. You get the virus via eyes, nose, or mouth and it's transmitted in mucus though not sweat, right?

So what's higher risk-waiting in line at the grocery store or grinding for the puck on the boards with one or more opponents in the middle of the third period? It's got to be that the game is much higher risk and with those close quarters like that.

Though if I were a player that used a wire cage, I'd be swapping for the clear shield asap since itd block far more flying bits of stuff.

Also, arguably the risk isn't in playing a game. Isn't there way more close contact and equipment sharing in the locker room or weight room every day during practices than you'd get in a game? Just look how common it is for teams to have a bunch of people go down with the flu once one guy gets it.

Your analogy is faulty. If they could ban going to the grocery store too, they would.

And the issue is not primarily the risk to the players. Instead, it's the risk they transmit it to others outside the team. Of course, in a contact sport, with both teammates and opponents, the transmission probability is higher than that of grocery shopping, except perhaps for cucumbers

Besides limiting the overall number of cases, it's important to slow the rate at which the disease is transmitted. This is because our medical system can't handle its current case load PLUS the additional load from the pandemic unless the latter is slowed. Part of Italy's problem is its geographic lack of capacity relative to need.

Swampy- pretty sure my post supports your argument in the first place.

It's not my analogy. I was responding to others and pointing out that, regardless of the grocery store risk level, playing a game is worse, and not just because of the single game, but because the leadup to the game requires all those practice sessions.

You're correct that transmission is the real issue. But the argument is the same whether you're talking about risk of players being exposed to the virus or the players becoming transmitters.

Playing the games at all will make the players more likely to be both patients and transmitters.

abmarks
Playing the games at all will make the players more likely to be both patients and transmitters.

Hey! Ixne on the actsfe.

It appears that controlling your environment: the people you encounter, the duration of your encounter, and the distance of your encounter - are the critical factors in transmission of the coronavirus. These are factors for which statisticians can provide credible and useful information for hockey playoff schedulers (?!!) and hockey fans.

abmarks

Swampy

abmarks
The pep band has been told they are done for the year FWIW.

Someone asked if it's any more dangerous for the players to play a game vs going to the supermarket and so far everyone responding to that agreed it's the same risk. But that's nonsense. You get the virus via eyes, nose, or mouth and it's transmitted in mucus though not sweat, right?

So what's higher risk-waiting in line at the grocery store or grinding for the puck on the boards with one or more opponents in the middle of the third period? It's got to be that the game is much higher risk and with those close quarters like that.

Though if I were a player that used a wire cage, I'd be swapping for the clear shield asap since itd block far more flying bits of stuff.

Also, arguably the risk isn't in playing a game. Isn't there way more close contact and equipment sharing in the locker room or weight room every day during practices than you'd get in a game? Just look how common it is for teams to have a bunch of people go down with the flu once one guy gets it.

Your analogy is faulty. If they could ban going to the grocery store too, they would.

And the issue is not primarily the risk to the players. Instead, it's the risk they transmit it to others outside the team. Of course, in a contact sport, with both teammates and opponents, the transmission probability is higher than that of grocery shopping, except perhaps for cucumbers

Besides limiting the overall number of cases, it's important to slow the rate at which the disease is transmitted. This is because our medical system can't handle its current case load PLUS the additional load from the pandemic unless the latter is slowed. Part of Italy's problem is its geographic lack of capacity relative to need.

Swampy- pretty sure my post supports your argument in the first place.

It's not my analogy. I was responding to others and pointing out that, regardless of the grocery store risk level, playing a game is worse, and not just because of the single game, but because the leadup to the game requires all those practice sessions.

You're correct that transmission is the real issue. But the argument is the same whether you're talking about risk of players being exposed to the virus or the players becoming transmitters.

Playing the games at all will make the players more likely to be both patients and transmitters.

Doh. I found the disconnect between me and Swampy. When I read a previous post somewhere way back in these discussions I took the question about "playing a game and going to the grocery store" in a different way.

Pretty sure Swampy, if not most on here would have looked through the lens of the fans... and arguing the relative dangers of grocery shopping and in person game attendance.

I read "playing a game and going to the grocery store" as referring to the risks to the players of playing vs. risk to the players from their regular grocery shooping.

As I understand it, one of the reasons to cancel spring sports like lax was that you'd be having all those practices every day which gather all the players together as well as require coaches and support staff to come in close contact. And by extension, if we're practicing then obviously the student athletes are still concentrated on or near campus at a time when the universities are trying to empty campuses by sending students home.

So I was thinking about the risks specifically to players that might result from continuing their seasons, vs. the risk those players face from going to the grocery store (which they'd be doing regularly whether they are playing hockey or not.)

osorojo
It appears that controlling your environment: the people you encounter, the duration of your encounter, and the distance of your encounter - are the critical factors in transmission of the coronavirus. These are factors for which statisticians can provide credible and useful information for hockey playoff schedulers (?!!) and hockey fans.

Real men use the eyeball test for epidemiology.

Atlantic Hockey and ECAC about to cancel tournaments if they haven't already. The rest will be following suit in short order, it is presumed.

— College Hockey News (@chnews) March 12, 2020

osorojo
It appears that controlling your environment: the people you encounter, the duration of your encounter, and the distance of your encounter - are the critical factors in transmission of the coronavirus. These are factors for which statisticians can provide credible and useful information for hockey playoff schedulers (?!!) and hockey fans.

Pretty sure that epidemiologists and CDC etc are doing just that to the extent that we know things. But since it's a new virus, what we don't know yet dwarfs what we do know since, especially in the states, we are woefully behind in getting people tested.

Trotsky

abmarks
Playing the games at all will make the players more likely to be both patients and transmitters.

Hey! Ixne on the actsfe.

Normally I would lol. But the last 48 hours have been a head-turner. The frozen four is 30 days out and with how wide this likely spreads in that time, I'm starting to bet against it getting played. Once one D1 bball player tests positive, or for sure if a D1 hockey player tests positive, my money is on the remainder of any tournaments being cancelled.

Look at it this way. Come to terms now with the tourneys getting a washout, and if by some miracle the NC game gets played, just think how much more exciting it'll be then the other way 'round. (To polish that turd if at all possible).

A 2-loss season and finishing with a 9-game wining streak wouldn't be bad.

But man this would be disappointing.

Yes, it's the prudent thing to do.

Stupid prudence.

and maybe award the NC to the team that finished #1 in the polls...

Trotsky
A 2-loss season and finishing with a 9-game wining streak wouldn't be bad.

But man this would be disappointing.

Yes, it's the prudent thing to do.

Stupid prudence.

+1

underskill
and maybe award the NC to the team that finished #1 in the polls...

How about a two day tournament with the top four in the pairwise?

toddlose

underskill
and maybe award the NC to the team that finished #1 in the polls...

How about a two day tournament with the top four in the pairwise?

fine by me, just make sure Barron hasn't signed w the Rangers before that

toddlose

underskill
and maybe award the NC to the team that finished #1 in the polls...

How about a two day tournament with the top four in the pairwise?

And we're now in the "bargaining" phase of grief.

underskill

toddlose

underskill
and maybe award the NC to the team that finished #1 in the polls...

How about a two day tournament with the top four in the pairwise?

fine by me, just make sure Barron hasn't signed w the Rangers before that

You're assuming NHL season continues....

KenP

underskill

toddlose

underskill
and maybe award the NC to the team that finished #1 in the polls...

How about a two day tournament with the top four in the pairwise?

fine by me, just make sure Barron hasn't signed w the Rangers before that

You're assuming NHL season continues....

NHL suspended. ECAC tournament canceled. Only NCAAS holding out at the moment....

underskill
and maybe award the NC to the team that finished #1 in the polls...

And before someone says the pairwise, that's only a formula designed specifically for picking and seeding the tournament, not for determining who people feel is the best team. For that, you have to go to the polls!

(We all buying this?)

The NHL officially "pauses" their season, leaving the door open to potentially resume and complete the playoffs later this spring:

The @NHL pauses 2019-20 season. [t.co] pic.twitter.com/W5Hqmk3kX7

— NHL Public Relations (@PR_NHL) March 12, 2020

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I just read a revered expert's proclamation from a week ago that the coronavirus is less virulent than the Asian Flu of some years back, and the college hockey playoffs during the Asian Flu epidemic went on uninterrupted. This proposed cancelation is sounding like a liberal con-job.

I don't know why nobody here has stated the obvious...the corona virus is an evil plot created to insure that Cornell never again wins a national championship. It is the only logical explanation.

nshapiro
I don't know why nobody here has stated the obvious...the corona virus is an evil plot created to insure that Cornell never again wins a national championship. It is the only logical explanation.

It goes without saying.

Hockey East Tournament cancelled

[www.si.com]

Duke and Kansas pulling out of March Madness which will kill March Madness.

That’ll be a wrap on Cornell’s hockey season.

Wasn't Allentown's entire economy depending on this?

Trotsky
Wasn't Allentown's entire economy depending on this?

Judging by the usual heavy traffic on Rte. 22 right now, no.

The only fair solution is to award the 2020 National Championship to the 1970 Cornell hockey team.

Trotsky
A 2-loss season and finishing with a 9-game wining streak wouldn't be bad.

With the last game being just about the most complete 60 minutes of quality play/all-out effort from Cornell that I can recall from recent memory.

(Looking for the silver lining...)

JasonN95

Trotsky
A 2-loss season and finishing with a 9-game wining streak wouldn't be bad.

With the last game being just about the most complete 60 minutes of quality play/all-out effort from Cornell that I can recall from recent memory.

(Looking for the silver lining...)

We know who the ECAC champion is.

Trotsky
The only fair solution is to award the 2020 National Championship to the 1970 Cornell hockey team.

Will Ken Dryden accept the trophy?

ursusminor

Trotsky
The only fair solution is to award the 2020 National Championship to the 1970 Cornell hockey team.

Will Ken Dryden accept the trophy?

Who the hell has that belt anyway. I haven't the mental energy to look elsewhere.

Trotsky

JasonN95

Trotsky
A 2-loss season and finishing with a 9-game wining streak wouldn't be bad.

With the last game being just about the most complete 60 minutes of quality play/all-out effort from Cornell that I can recall from recent memory.

(Looking for the silver lining...)

We know who the ECAC champion is.

My serious post: The current situation reminds me of those record books that have asterisks by the years for WWII.

My gallows humor post:

Goddamnit! Yesterday I woke up looking forward to Cornell being a serious NC contender in 3 sports! That's never happened before.

If only the f'n corona virus had waited until a season when our teams suck, like the fall.

Swampy

Trotsky

JasonN95

Trotsky
A 2-loss season and finishing with a 9-game wining streak wouldn't be bad.

With the last game being just about the most complete 60 minutes of quality play/all-out effort from Cornell that I can recall from recent memory.

(Looking for the silver lining...)

We know who the ECAC champion is.

My serious post: The current situation reminds me of those record books that have asterisks by the years for WWII.

My gallows humor post:

Goddamnit! Yesterday I woke up looking forward to Cornell being a serious NC contender in 3 sports! That's never happened before.

If only the f'n corona virus had waited until a season when our teams suck, like the fall.

Why couldn't this happen the year that Union was really good?!

marty

ursusminor

Trotsky
The only fair solution is to award the 2020 National Championship to the 1970 Cornell hockey team.

Will Ken Dryden accept the trophy?

Who the hell has that belt anyway. I haven't the mental energy to look elsewhere.

Cornell holds the New York State Belt, the Ivy Belt, the ECAC Belt, and The Belt.

MLB suspends.

Jesus, people are gonna have to talk to each other.

Swampy
The current situation reminds me of those record books that have asterisks by the years for WWII.

osorojo
I just read a revered expert's proclamation from a week ago that the coronavirus is less virulent than the Asian Flu of some years back, and the college hockey playoffs during the Asian Flu epidemic went on uninterrupted. This proposed cancelation is sounding like a liberal con-job.

You are officially the dumbest poster on this forum. Even dumber than me.

Trotsky
MLB suspends.

Jesus, people are gonna have to talk to each other.

Or post on hockey forum boards

toddlose

underskill
and maybe award the NC to the team that finished #1 in the polls...

How about a two day tournament with the top four in the pairwise?

Just send the captains of each team and Rochambeau for it, best of 7.