2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
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2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 14, 2020 03:15PM
Hoping for a Happy Valentine's Day to the Faithful.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell vs Union
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 14, 2020 06:38PM
Cam back, Ben Tupker sits.
Leahy back in for Cairns.
Malinski still out this weekend but should be ready for next week.
Leahy back in for Cairns.
Malinski still out this weekend but should be ready for next week.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell vs Union
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 14, 2020 07:55PM
ESPN+ has had a problematic stream the past few weekends, but it's just downright bad tonight.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 14, 2020 09:41PM
That was... close.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: RichH (---.sub-174-250-56.myvzw.com)
Date: February 14, 2020 09:47PM
Why is it always Dartmouth and Union who give us fits? Since Union got their first D1 win at Lynah, they always have some voodoo on us.
I boarded a flight after the 1st, and when I landed, I started the feed to see the refs waive off a goal, so you’re welcome.
I boarded a flight after the 1st, and when I landed, I started the feed to see the refs waive off a goal, so you’re welcome.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 14, 2020 10:02PM
Trotsky
That was... close.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 14, 2020 10:04PM
i didn't get to watch until union was skating past the bench after the tying goal. what a relief when the ref waved it off. no idea why, though. looked clean to me.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: DL (---.nrflva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 14, 2020 10:07PM
But not Yale? Isn't Q's percentage against us improving by the year?
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell vs Union
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 14, 2020 10:10PM
the kid was in the crease behind the goalie for a long time before any shot too place.. does there have to be contact for that to be interference like that
hockey is just a game with such a small margin of error. A game that could easily been 5-6 to zip almost turns into a tie when a team has 10 shots in a game.
hockey is just a game with such a small margin of error. A game that could easily been 5-6 to zip almost turns into a tie when a team has 10 shots in a game.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: ice (---.pennnet.nat.upenn.edu)
Date: February 14, 2020 11:53PM
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: ice (---.pennnet.nat.upenn.edu)
Date: February 14, 2020 11:57PM
On the waved off goal, Rinaldi was in the crease and behind Galajda before Ryan shot the puck. Rinaldi ran into Galajda's skate on his way into the crease.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 08:13AM
sure but isn't that incidental contact? galajda made the save. i guess the argument could be that he was impeded from settling deeper in the crease or from gathering the rebound. whatever it was, whew.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 09:37AM
Despite our lower GP we are now 3rd in W-L:
W-L W L +22 26 4 Mankato +19 22 3 North Dakota +16 18 2 Cornell +15 21 6 Clarkson +12 21 9 Arizona State
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 15, 2020 09:52AM
ugarte
sure but isn't that incidental contact? galajda made the save. i guess the argument could be that he was impeded from settling deeper in the crease or from gathering the rebound. whatever it was, whew.
Look at the replay around the 2 minute mark. Rinaldi interferes with Galajda before the initial shot. He appears to catch the right skate/leg of Galajda, knocking him to his knees. That does not allow him to quickly get to his right to make the save on the rebound. Good call and I wonder who from CU saw it.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-220-15.myvzw.com)
Date: February 15, 2020 09:57AM
Jim Hyla
ugarte
sure but isn't that incidental contact? galajda made the save. i guess the argument could be that he was impeded from settling deeper in the crease or from gathering the rebound. whatever it was, whew.
Look at the replay around the 2 minute mark. Rinaldi interferes with Galajda before the initial shot. He appears to catch the right skate/leg of Galajda, knocking him to his knees. That does not allow him to quickly get to his right to make the save on the rebound. Good call and I wonder who from CU saw it.
Isn't he also in the blue before the puck?
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 10:41AM
i remember the video - i thought he dropped to make the save, but if the contact made him go down it's an easy callJim Hyla
ugarte
sure but isn't that incidental contact? galajda made the save. i guess the argument could be that he was impeded from settling deeper in the crease or from gathering the rebound. whatever it was, whew.
Look at the replay around the 2 minute mark. Rinaldi interferes with Galajda before the initial shot. He appears to catch the right skate/leg of Galajda, knocking him to his knees. That does not allow him to quickly get to his right to make the save on the rebound. Good call and I wonder who from CU saw it.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 10:44AM
i don't think that's been the rule since shortly after the sabres/stars controversy got people thinking a lot about whether in the crease violations should be a per se rulemarty
Jim Hyla
ugarte
sure but isn't that incidental contact? galajda made the save. i guess the argument could be that he was impeded from settling deeper in the crease or from gathering the rebound. whatever it was, whew.
Look at the replay around the 2 minute mark. Rinaldi interferes with Galajda before the initial shot. He appears to catch the right skate/leg of Galajda, knocking him to his knees. That does not allow him to quickly get to his right to make the save on the rebound. Good call and I wonder who from CU saw it.
Isn't he also in the blue before the puck?
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: ice (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 10:48AM
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-220-15.myvzw.com)
Date: February 15, 2020 11:04AM
ugarte
i don't think that's been the rule since shortly after the sabres/stars controversy got people thinking a lot about whether in the crease violations should be a per se rulemarty
Jim Hyla
ugarte
sure but isn't that incidental contact? galajda made the save. i guess the argument could be that he was impeded from settling deeper in the crease or from gathering the rebound. whatever it was, whew.
Look at the replay around the 2 minute mark. Rinaldi interferes with Galajda before the initial shot. He appears to catch the right skate/leg of Galajda, knocking him to his knees. That does not allow him to quickly get to his right to make the save on the rebound. Good call and I wonder who from CU saw it.
Isn't he also in the blue before the puck?
Right but you can you stand in the crease waiting for the puck?
Even though it was for only a second that's what he did. In the crease for a second is different from waiting in the crease for the puck and tipping it in, isn't it?
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 15, 2020 01:38PM
Jim Hyla
Look at the replay around the 2 minute mark. Rinaldi interferes with Galajda before the initial shot. He appears to catch the right skate/leg of Galajda, knocking him to his knees. That does not allow him to quickly get to his right to make the save on the rebound. Good call and I wonder who from CU saw it.
I could have missed it, but I didn't notice anyone on the Cornell bench asking for the play to be reviewed. I think the refs may have made the decision to review on their own.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 15, 2020 02:18PM
ugarte
i remember the video - i thought he dropped to make the save, but if the contact made him go down it's an easy callJim Hyla
ugarte
sure but isn't that incidental contact? galajda made the save. i guess the argument could be that he was impeded from settling deeper in the crease or from gathering the rebound. whatever it was, whew.
Look at the replay around the 2 minute mark. Rinaldi interferes with Galajda before the initial shot. He appears to catch the right skate/leg of Galajda, knocking him to his knees. That does not allow him to quickly get to his right to make the save on the rebound. Good call and I wonder who from CU saw it.
If you're still interested, go to around 6:20 to go and you can see Rinaldi entering the crease. It looks like his left leg hits Galajda's right and Galajda starts to go down. All this well before the shot.
Ref Allen immediately goes to scorers table. One of the linesmen comes over as well. Then after the replay of the goal, you see the other ref, Lynch, and a linesman at center ice. The linesman who was with Allen comes over and says something to them. Lynch skates over to Allen. Then one ref skates to go off and the other to CU's bench.
So it certainly looks like Allen knew right away that it had to be reviewed.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 02:44PM
i was wondering at the game why it didnt get a review. it was pretty clear he was in there behind the goalie for a long time. seemed like it deserved to be looked at but wasnt sure it was gonna get one.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 15, 2020 04:17PM
By the way, did anyone else see Bennett's interactions with the officials after the game? He was yelling in their direction and giving them an obviously sarcastic "thumbs-up." He did this at least twice. That would seem to me to be the kind of thing the league may not look kindly upon.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 04:41PM
andyw2100
By the way, did anyone else see Bennett's interactions with the officials after the game? He was yelling in their direction and giving them an obviously sarcastic "thumbs-up." He did this at least twice. That would seem to me to be the kind of thing the league may not look kindly upon.
I assume the league will send him a "Cut the shit, Rick," letter, or call him, behind the scenes. Wherever possible they seem to prefer to take care of that stuff off the books, which is just as well for Mike's first 10 seasons.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 05:03PM
he had 6 PP not like they swallowed the whistle.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 15, 2020 05:15PM
upprdeck
he had 6 PP not like they swallowed the whistle.
Both Bennett and the Union goalie seemed upset about stuff that happened around the Union goal. I noticed it during the game, and then today I watched the ESPN feed during and after Union's third no-goal. When the ref skated over to the Union bench, presumably to explain why they were overturning the goal, you can see Bennett animatedly gesturing in the direction of the Union net.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-219-29.myvzw.com)
Date: February 15, 2020 05:24PM
andyw2100
By the way, did anyone else see Bennett's interactions with the officials after the game? He was yelling in their direction and giving them an obviously sarcastic "thumbs-up." He did this at least twice. That would seem to me to be the kind of thing the league may not look kindly upon.
The sarcastic thumbs-up is a way better method of indicating disapproval at fellow drivers than the finger.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 06:17PM
I didnt see much during the game live.. in the first period we were all over them but not really near the crease, the last 2 periods we seldom even did much at all. he was screaming at the refs all game. you could hear him over the crowd complaining about no calls a bunch of times.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 15, 2020 06:24PM
This call is all the more critical since it involves a team ranked number #53 against a team ranked #3.Union could have jumped up to 49th with a tie, even higher with a win.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: Give My Regards (12.168.70.---)
Date: February 15, 2020 10:34PM
Cornell's win over Union means that the Big Red has defeated each of their league opponents at least once this season.
This may not sound like a big deal, but it's the first time Cornell has been able to do that since 2004-05.
This may not sound like a big deal, but it's the first time Cornell has been able to do that since 2004-05.
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Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 15, 2020 10:35PM
marty
ugarte
i don't think that's been the rule since shortly after the sabres/stars controversy got people thinking a lot about whether in the crease violations should be a per se rulemarty
Jim Hyla
ugarte
sure but isn't that incidental contact? galajda made the save. i guess the argument could be that he was impeded from settling deeper in the crease or from gathering the rebound. whatever it was, whew.
Look at the replay around the 2 minute mark. Rinaldi interferes with Galajda before the initial shot. He appears to catch the right skate/leg of Galajda, knocking him to his knees. That does not allow him to quickly get to his right to make the save on the rebound. Good call and I wonder who from CU saw it.
Isn't he also in the blue before the puck?
Right but you can you stand in the crease waiting for the puck?
Even though it was for only a second that's what he did. In the crease for a second is different from waiting in the crease for the puck and tipping it in, isn't it?
From the horse's mouth:
NCAA Rule book 2019-2020
Rule 73 - Interference on the Goalkeeper
73.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - The overriding rationale of this rule is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within the goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player. However, an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances, be allowed.
Goals should be disallowed only if an attacking player, either by positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to defend the goal.
If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player and causes contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
If a defending player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by an attacking player so as to cause the defending player to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact shall be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, and if necessary a penalty assessed to the attacking player and if a goal is scored it shall be disallowed.
Rights of the Goaltender – The rules must protect the goaltender and allow him or her to defend the goal, within the goal crease, without interference from an attacking player. This includes allowing a goaltender to move effectively and efficiently within the crease, as well as being able to see the puck unimpeded by a player who has established a position in the crease.
Rights of the Attacking Player – Attacking players who are outside of the crease have some rights to the space they occupy. In cases where an attacking player makes contact with goaltender’s equipment that extends outside the plane of the crease (e.g., glove, blocker, stick, etc.), provided that the attacking player does not initiate distinct and deliberate actions aimed at impeding the goaltender’s use of their equipment (e.g., slashing the goaltender’s glove), this contact should be considered incidental and goals scored on such plays shall be allowed.
If an attacking player establishes a significant position within the goal crease, so as to obstruct the goalkeeper’s vision and impair his ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, such goals shall be disallowed. For this purpose, a player establishes a significant position within the crease when, in the referee’s judgment, his/her body, or a substantial portion thereof, is within the goal crease for more than an instantaneous period of time.
Role of the Official – Officials are encouraged to use their discretion in determining the effect of an attacking player making contact with a goaltender or with goaltender equipment. Referees are instructed to give more significant consideration to the degree and nature of the contact than to the exact location of the goalkeeper at the time of the contact. If, in the opinion of the official, the incidental contact had no effect on the goaltender’s ability to defend the goal, a goal may be allowed in such situations.
73.2 Penalty - If, in the opinion of the official, an attacking player initiates contact that physically prevents the goalkeeper from defending the goal, the attacking player may receive a penalty. This penalty may be enforced whether or not the goalkeeper is inside or outside the goal crease and whether or not a goal is scored. The referee should give significant consideration to the degree and nature of the contact with the goalkeeper rather than to the exact location of the goalkeeper at the time of the contact.
If an attacking player establishes position in the goal crease, and is physically or visually screening the goalkeeper and impairing the ability to defend the goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
to communicate with attacking players to exit the crease; if players do not comply, the referee may stop play and conduct a faceoff in the neutral zone.
73.3 Face-off Location - Whenever the Referee stops play to disallow a goal as a result of contact with the goalkeeper (incidental or otherwise), the resulting
face-off shall take place at the nearest neutral zone face-off spot outside the attacking zone of the offending team.
73.4 Rebounds and Loose Pucks - In a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and attacking player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result will be allowed.
In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck by an attacking player, the goal will be disallowed. If applicable, appropriate penalties will be assessed.
In the event that the puck is under a player in or around the crease area (deliberately or otherwise), a goal cannot be scored by pushing this player together with the puck into the goal. If applicable, the appropriate penalties will be assessed, including a penalty shot if deemed to be covered in the crease deliberately (see Rule 67 – Delaying the Game).
73.5 Overall Philosophy - Unless the official is certain that a goal was scored through an illegal action (e.g., physically hindering the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely while in the crease and defend the goal), the goal must count. Games that have video replay available may correct egregious errors, but the standard of evidence required to disallow a goal is significant. There must be conclusive video evidence to overturn an initial on-ice call.
Re: 2020-02-14: Cornell 5 Union 2
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 16, 2020 12:47AM
Locke leads the ECAC in faceoff percentage and in goals per SOG.
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