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2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3

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2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 05:08PM

Back to business, lads.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2020 09:43PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 06:41PM

Galajda back, of course.

Leahy in for Dirven.

Locke with Cam and Morgan (good, I love that line).

Both Tupkers together with Bauld. Not sure who dropped with Ben coming in. Edit: Malone is out.

Schafer: "If I had the opportunity I'd have changed more. We're only allowed to travel with 23 on the road." Yikes.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2020 06:57PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: February 01, 2020 06:58PM

Trotsky
Galajda back, of course.

Leahy in for Dirven.

Locke with Cam and Morgan (good, I love that line).

Both Tupkers together with Bauld. Not sure who dropped with Ben coming in. Edit: Malone is out.

Schafer: "If I had the opportunity I'd have changed more. We're only allowed to travel with 23 on the road." Yikes.

Dirven’s struggled lately, so no surprise Leahy’s in for him tonight
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 07:09PM

Ron Fogarty wants to see 1-point for ot losses.

Ron Fogarty can choke on a dick.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: blackwidow (---.princeton.edu)
Date: February 01, 2020 07:49PM

scoop85
Trotsky
Galajda back, of course.

Leahy in for Dirven.

Locke with Cam and Morgan (good, I love that line).

Both Tupkers together with Bauld. Not sure who dropped with Ben coming in. Edit: Malone is out.

Schafer: "If I had the opportunity I'd have changed more. We're only allowed to travel with 23 on the road." Yikes.

Dirven’s struggled lately, so no surprise Leahy’s in for him tonight

Tims to bring in Andong Song
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: Iceberg (---.tmodns.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 08:36PM

The referees aren't messing around tonight
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 08:37PM

The refs are calling a lot tonight and we should be doing a much better job of converting. Princeton certainly is.

 
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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: Iceberg (---.tmodns.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 08:48PM

Oh, absolutely. Those anemic power plays really set the tone and it should've been more than 2-0.

Also, this isn't my first time seeing Bauld live, but he is really fast. If he had the hands he would be a star
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: CU2007 (---.sub-174-203-15.myvzw.com)
Date: February 01, 2020 08:52PM

This isn’t the same team we saw in November. I don’t know why.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 01, 2020 09:24PM

What a game! This is old-time hockey of the kind I watched in the early 60's at Lynah: wire over the boards, tubes holding skate blades, and EVERY opponent gave us all we could handle, even Susquehanna. I'll bet today's Lynah crowds begin to more closely resemble the crowds in those good old days also.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 01, 2020 10:32PM

3rd period effort was solid , if we dont take bad penalties we win pretty easy.. hopefully we bring that next week
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 10:41PM

osorojo
What a game! This is old-time hockey of the kind I watched in the early 60's at Lynah: wire over the boards, tubes holding skate blades, and EVERY opponent gave us all we could handle, even Susquehanna. I'll bet today's Lynah crowds begin to more closely resemble the crowds in those good old days also.
Cornell fan near us spent much of the contest playing games on her iPhone. In the good old days that would have been a Motorola phone. Or Rubike's cube.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 01, 2020 10:48PM

strange game to dominate and yet be in a game late when scoring 4 goals. really had chances to score 7-8..


PP scoring 3 and feeling like it let goals get away. and the PK giving up 3 in a game they only had 15 shots is strange too.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 10:49PM

Getting 3 power play goals, very good. Allowing all 3 Princeton goals be power play is terrible, especially allowing one 8 seconds in.

First time ever in my memory the game was sold out of standing room tickets. Notwithstanding that at least 100 seats were still available late first and middle of the second period, when every ticketed person should have arrived. But you can go online and get SRO tickets in advance.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: arugula (---.sub-174-202-10.myvzw.com)
Date: February 01, 2020 11:12PM

Iceberg
Oh, absolutely. Those anemic power plays really set the tone and it should've been more than 2-0.

Also, this isn't my first time seeing Bauld live, but he is really fast. If he had the hands he would be a star

Also there tonight. Bauld was dynamite but as you say no hands.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2020 11:14PM by arugula.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 11:30PM

billhoward
Getting 3 power play goals, very good. Allowing all 3 Princeton goals be power play is terrible, especially allowing one 8 seconds in.

First time ever in my memory the game was sold out of standing room tickets. Notwithstanding that at least 100 seats were still available late first and middle of the second period, when every ticketed person should have arrived. But you can go online and get SRO tickets in advance.

When I heard it was sold out, I assumed that meant only reserved seats only with SRO available. Boy was I wrong. Thanks to some good friends, I got in (don't ask how). Otherwise, I'd have had to beg for a ticket or maybe drive home without getting in.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 01, 2020 11:47PM

special teams really need to be much better. the PK was terrible; we scored three ppg ourselves so I probably shouldn't be too upset but dammit it still mostly looked flat.

at 5x5 nobody seems able to finish ESPECIALLY, as everyone had said already, Bauld. three times he skated in alone and went 0fer.

Galajda needs... something. This was a bad weekend. Shake it off, kid.

SOG numbers tell the story of this team's even strength defense, so that's a decent takeaway I guess. but man I have to say one more time that PK was awful.

 
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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: arugula (---.s2163.c3-0.avec-cbr2.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcncustomer.com)
Date: February 02, 2020 12:07AM

The PK was odd. Two of the goals were great shots, the third was egregious puck watching. The PP scored thrice, but still, they pass and pass and pass. Shoot the g-d puck. Also, faceoffs-oy.

Any update on Betts?

Seriously, is Song a player with any possibility of playing?
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 12:14AM

arugula

Seriously, is Song a player with any possibility of playing?
no

 
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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 12:54AM

ugarte
arugula

Seriously, is Song a player with any possibility of playing?
no

Do we ever cut anyone?
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: Swampy (184.170.253.---)
Date: February 02, 2020 12:56AM

billhoward
osorojo
What a game! This is old-time hockey of the kind I watched in the early 60's at Lynah: wire over the boards, tubes holding skate blades, and EVERY opponent gave us all we could handle, even Susquehanna. I'll bet today's Lynah crowds begin to more closely resemble the crowds in those good old days also.
Cornell fan near us spent much of the contest playing games on her iPhone. In the good old days that would have been a Motorola phone. Or Rubike's cube.

Or sliderule
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: RichH (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: February 02, 2020 02:41AM

abmarks
ugarte
arugula

Seriously, is Song a player with any possibility of playing?
no

Do we ever cut anyone?

Why would you in the middle of the season? Scholarships aren’t an issue. Rostered players can still have value in practices and such. Players have left the team during off-seasons that may be player or program-based decisions. (So in that respect, yes?)
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 02, 2020 03:05AM

ugarte
special teams really need to be much better. the PK was terrible; we scored three ppg ourselves so I probably shouldn't be too upset but dammit it still mostly looked flat.

at 5x5 nobody seems able to finish ESPECIALLY, as everyone had said already, Bauld. three times he skated in alone and went 0fer.

Galajda needs... something. This was a bad weekend. Shake it off, kid.

SOG numbers tell the story of this team's even strength defense, so that's a decent takeaway I guess. but man I have to say one more time that PK was awful.

Actually I don't think he had a bad weekend. Look at the goals he gave up and tell me which were his fault. Tough to blame him for PP goals, when the other 4 guys were playing so poorly.

Tonight if Andreev hadn't taken 2 very dumb, unnecessary penalties, it would have been 5-1 with giving up 1 PP goal. I don't think that he was pulled Friday because of bad play, rather because of what the whole team was doing. But I don't know what Coach thought.

 
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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: adamw (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 08:16AM

Jim Hyla
Tonight if Andreev hadn't taken 2 very dumb, unnecessary penalties, it would have been 5-1 with giving up 1 PP goal. I don't think that he was pulled Friday because of bad play, rather because of what the whole team was doing. But I don't know what Coach thought.

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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Swampy (184.170.253.---)
Date: February 02, 2020 08:32AM

From the same article, here’s some of Coach’s overall thoughts; the game he’s talking about first is Princeton:
Mike Schafer

"I was happy with our effort, and I don't think we gave up a whole lot of scoring chances 5-on-5," Cornell coach Mike Schafer said. "Even on the penalty kill, (goaltender Matt Galajda has to) play better, he knows that. A couple opportunities that he typically makes saves, and he dropped a rebound there in the slot (on the last goal).

"But it's about getting back to work. We got embarrassed last night, didn't play with poise, we didn't play with effort, and so it's a good step in the right direction. It's always a blessing in disguise that we got it fed to us, and now we can be honest with ourselves."
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 08:33AM

If you mill about the entrance and keep asking, somebody is going to have a spare ticket, most every game. I believe the arena could have held 100 people more, maybe 200, in free seats and standing room.

It's too bad the expansion of Lynah in 2006 did not allow for a bit more of an inside concourse so you could put people 2 deep - even 1 deep without being told to move on- would add capacity for the Harvard and this year Clarkson games. And allow for more socializing by those not 100% into watching the game, as opposed to being at the game. That's one really nice aspect to the Quinnipiac rink, the big concourse.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2020 11:07PM by billhoward.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 08:41AM

As the story says,
CHN
Princeton outshot Cornell 7-1 in the game's first eight minutes. After that, it was 35-8 in favor of Cornell the rest of the way
Put another way, Princeton was 3x8 on shots that did get through to the goaltender.

I would say the Princetons got tired in the third period or Cornell wore them and they made mistakes that led to penalties and to the egregious turnover-for-goal.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Iceberg (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 09:18AM

Princeton took a lot of obstruction-type penalties in the game, which wasn't a coincidence since their defense had trouble 5-on-5. All that I saw were proper calls.


Also, that 4th goal was kind of weird. From where I was watching, the puck just instantly slowed down on a pass and didn't go as far as one would expect (probably the ice).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2020 09:18AM by Iceberg.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: ugarte (---.sub-174-202-27.myvzw.com)
Date: February 02, 2020 09:20AM

Iceberg
Princeton took a lot of obstruction-type penalties in the game, which wasn't a coincidence since their defense had trouble 5-on-5. All that I saw were proper calls.
not wrong, just tight. same for both teams.

 
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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 02, 2020 10:03AM

it shows in that CU rebuilt the concourse area and actually made it worse to get around the building and removed concessions.. just not thought and planning..

last week you could only use one mens bathroom before the game because of crowd control again athletics has no clue what they are doing.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: Scersk '97 (32.210.48.---)
Date: February 02, 2020 10:33AM

arugula
Iceberg
Oh, absolutely. Those anemic power plays really set the tone and it should've been more than 2-0.

Also, this isn't my first time seeing Bauld live, but he is really fast. If he had the hands he would be a star

Also there tonight. Bauld was dynamite but as you say no hands.

On the second breakaway, the Princeton guys were draped all over him and he did the best he could. (Edit: Looking at it again, there wasn't much upstairs, but one stick definitely got in his skates and almost tripped him up.) Should've been a penalty—not a penalty shot, but he was really interfered with. On the first and third breakaways, I think that, unlike most of the rest of the team, Bauld should suppress his urge to blast it as soon as he can. He's moving so fast that a quick change of direction to a backhand flick might serve him very well. You know, the kind where the goalie is left with his legs splayed out to both side in desperation leaving the whole mid-height area of the net open on either side.

I don't know. Some guys have got it and some don't. The real tragedy was that he had two open trailers on that first one. Any rebound and that puck was in the net.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2020 10:39AM by Scersk '97.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 12:44PM

abmarks
ugarte
arugula

Seriously, is Song a player with any possibility of playing?
no

Do we ever cut anyone?
No. Song seems to be a Nice Young Man who practices diligently with the team so there's no harm. Wang drafted him as a show of Chinese hockey strength or as a business deal or something. Mike recruited him because... I dunno... maybe he owed Triad a favor from his days as an underground drift driver.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 12:58PM

The thing about Bauld's breakaways is he's so fast and he's in on net so quickly that he's going to have some maneuvering and space problems -- it's not the Cody Haiskenen Gerald Ford-class aircraft carrier saunter.

Now, there are guys who can still dependably make all those adjustments and judge whether to shoot or leave it and pick the perfect spot. But those guys are in the NHL.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2020 01:02PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 01:05PM

Scersk '97
He's moving so fast that a quick change of direction to a backhand flick might serve him very well. You know, the kind where the goalie is left with his legs splayed out to both side in desperation leaving the whole mid-height area of the net open on either side.
IIRC on one of them he did the fore/backhand double deke but was just stoned. And hey, he got shots on net all three times. Bâby steps. We typically either bugger the set up or shoot the puck into the rafters.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 01:11PM

Scersk '97
arugula
Iceberg
Oh, absolutely. Those anemic power plays really set the tone and it should've been more than 2-0.

Also, this isn't my first time seeing Bauld live, but he is really fast. If he had the hands he would be a star

Also there tonight. Bauld was dynamite but as you say no hands.

On the second breakaway, the Princeton guys were draped all over him and he did the best he could. (Edit: Looking at it again, there wasn't much upstairs, but one stick definitely got in his skates and almost tripped him up.) Should've been a penalty—not a penalty shot, but he was really interfered with. On the first and third breakaways, I think that, unlike most of the rest of the team, Bauld should suppress his urge to blast it as soon as he can. He's moving so fast that a quick change of direction to a backhand flick might serve him very well. You know, the kind where the goalie is left with his legs splayed out to both side in desperation leaving the whole mid-height area of the net open on either side.

I don't know. Some guys have got it and some don't. The real tragedy was that he had two open trailers on that first one. Any rebound and that puck was in the net.

Or faking a shot while dropping a pass to the trailer. (See, if you can find it, the Doug Ferguson - Mike Doran tournament-winning OT goal against MSU at the 1966 ECAC Holiday Tournament @ Boston Garden. That's how it's done! This was one of the greatest goals in Cornell Hockey history.)

If it's not part of regular practice, Bauld should stay later and work with one of the goalies on this. Even better would be working with his line mates and a goalie. Of course, this assumes they have time for such things.

Hopefully, Bauld will have the chance to play at a higher level, if he wants to. If not here, then there he should practice these last pieces of using his speed to breakaway.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2020 01:14PM by Swampy.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: French Rage (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 01:33PM

ugarte
arugula

Seriously, is Song a player with any possibility of playing?
no

So a Song isn't forever?

 
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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell at Princeton
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 04:58PM

Song remains the same.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: February 02, 2020 08:18PM

The thing that I wasn't thrilled about was our power play. It seemed like three guys passing it around above the circles, and one guy at each side of the net who never moved. Princeton simply packed four guys around the goalie and blocked any cross-pass that made it to the low guys. The guys at the point never shot and the low guys never did anything to get the defense out of position.

OTOH, our PK ran around like the proverbial headless chickens. Two goals on 3 shots in the second period. Just ugh.

The first few minutes of the third we looked like our old selves, but then we took a stupid penalty, and we went back into the shell.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: arugula (38.109.75.---)
Date: February 03, 2020 12:37PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
The thing that I wasn't thrilled about was our power play. It seemed like three guys passing it around above the circles, and one guy at each side of the net who never moved. Princeton simply packed four guys around the goalie and blocked any cross-pass that made it to the low guys. The guys at the point never shot and the low guys never did anything to get the defense out of position.

OTOH, our PK ran around like the proverbial headless chickens. Two goals on 3 shots in the second period. Just ugh.

The first few minutes of the third we looked like our old selves, but then we took a stupid penalty, and we went back into the shell.

Totally agree on the pp. The three goals are great, but for long stretches, there was aimless passing and no motion. That usually won't get it done. I'm not a big believe in the just shoot all the time approach, but shoot the damn thing.

On the pk, same, a lot of puck watching and scrambling. So strange that we can't that element together with such a good disciplined defensive group.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 03, 2020 12:39PM

arugula
Totally agree on the pp. The three goals are great, but for long stretches, there was aimless passing and no motion.

I was standing in my basement screaming "MOVE YOUR FEET!!!" at the screen, with my headphones on. Since then Dr. Mrs. has been looking at me kinda funny.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.132.76.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: February 03, 2020 02:44PM

Trotsky
arugula
Totally agree on the pp. The three goals are great, but for long stretches, there was aimless passing and no motion.

I was standing in my basement screaming "MOVE YOUR FEET!!!" at the screen, with my headphones on. Since then Dr. Mrs. has been looking at me kinda funny.

Since then? Like she hasn't been to enough games with you to know your idiosyncrasies?

I'm a firm believer in the "Get a big guy in the goalies face" kind of power play. It frustrates me when we don't do that, even part of the time.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-219-130.myvzw.com)
Date: February 03, 2020 03:07PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
arugula
Totally agree on the pp. The three goals are great, but for long stretches, there was aimless passing and no motion.

I was standing in my basement screaming "MOVE YOUR FEET!!!" at the screen, with my headphones on. Since then Dr. Mrs. has been looking at me kinda funny.

Since then? Like she hasn't been to enough games with you to know your idiosyncrasies?

I'm a firm believer in the "Get a big guy in the goalies face" kind of power play. It frustrates me when we don't do that, even part of the time.

For me, it's moving the puck vertically. Get the puck down low, take it behind the net, then back up to the point. Opens everything up.

Big guy in the goalie's face is good too. I think we're too focused on going point to wing to center slot with the puck. A lot of broken up centering passes.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 03, 2020 03:48PM

Dafatone
For me, it's moving the puck vertically. Get the puck down low, take it behind the net, then back up to the point. Opens everything up.

Malott is great at this.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 03, 2020 06:24PM

I mean we are complaining about a top 8 PP unit..

the bigger issue is lack of chances for that unit..

for a team thats physical and cycles we dont draw many. we have had
82 chances vs teams that have had 120/+ now some/much of that is playing fewer games so for the ivies we probably stack up ok.

the PK is the much bigger issue giving up 3 in so few shots is not good.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 03, 2020 07:13PM

Back in the day Cornell hockey coaches and teams were not too proud to resort to dumping the puck into the offensive zone and try to outrace or outhit the defenders. It kept the opposition blue liners honest and frequently resulted in goals - not pretty ones but they counted just the same.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 03, 2020 07:31PM

upprdeck
I mean we are complaining about a top 8 PP unit..

the bigger issue is lack of chances for that unit..

for a team thats physical and cycles we dont draw many. we have had
82 chances vs teams that have had 120/+ now some/much of that is playing fewer games so for the ivies we probably stack up ok.

the PK is the much bigger issue giving up 3 in so few shots is not good.

Agree, Clarkson is 24.3% on PP, but 92.8% on PK, vs our 25.6% & 76.8%.

Clarkson is GF 26, GA 8 for a GF% of 76.5. GF% is GF/GF+GA

We're only GF 21, GA 16 for a GF% 56.8.

If we had a PK of Clarkson's, we'd only have given up 5 goals, or about 0.5 GA/game less than now.

That would give us a 1.2 GA/game. Insane, those are Dryden/LeNeveu stats.

And might have meant we'd have won some of those tied games.

 
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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Swampy (184.170.253.---)
Date: February 03, 2020 11:51PM

Jim Hyla
upprdeck
I mean we are complaining about a top 8 PP unit..

the bigger issue is lack of chances for that unit..

for a team thats physical and cycles we dont draw many. we have had
82 chances vs teams that have had 120/+ now some/much of that is playing fewer games so for the ivies we probably stack up ok.

the PK is the much bigger issue giving up 3 in so few shots is not good.

Agree, Clarkson is 24.3% on PP, but 92.8% on PK, vs our 25.6% & 76.8%.

Clarkson is GF 26, GA 8 for a GF% of 76.5. GF% is GF/GF+GA

We're only GF 21, GA 16 for a GF% 56.8.
Respectable
If we had a PK of Clarkson's, we'd only have given up 5 goals, or about 0.5 GA/game less than now.

That would give us a 1.2 GA/game. Insane, those are Dryden/LeNeveu stats.

And might have meant we'd have won some of those tied games.

Five of the GA were by Q. If we omit them, our GF% goes up to 66%: still < CLK, but much more respectable.

Now there are at least three possible factors when considering this loss. One is that the entire team played pretty poorly, and this is true. A second explanation is that Galadja had an off night. A third is that other teams have scouted him and saw a weakness; did you notice how many shots over his glove hand?
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: February 04, 2020 02:16AM

RichH
abmarks
ugarte
arugula

Seriously, is Song a player with any possibility of playing?
no

Do we ever cut anyone?

Why would you in the middle of the season? Scholarships aren’t an issue. Rostered players can still have value in practices and such. Players have left the team during off-seasons that may be player or program-based decisions. (So in that respect, yes?)

Who said anything about the middle of the season?

Trotsky
abmarks
ugarte
arugula

Seriously, is Song a player with any possibility of playing?
no

Do we ever cut anyone?
No. Song seems to be a Nice Young Man who practices diligently with the team so there's no harm. Wang drafted him as a show of Chinese hockey strength or as a business deal or something. Mike recruited him because... I dunno... maybe he owed Triad a favor from his days as an underground drift driver.

Could care less if he's a nice kid or not.

Sure, we need practice players. But there's a limit somewhere - clearly 40 guys would be to many for example.

So what I'm asking is if we ever replace the worst player on the team over the summer? If 30 s the limit, hypothetically, would we keep a nice kid as our worst player if we could bring in anyone better?

There is some value in keeping a bottom of the roster kid for GPA purposes at times, I suppose, but this isn't football where every team can carry a couple of Rudys and a couple of GPA boosting kids.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 04, 2020 08:37AM

Well the 3-goalie is where we keep our GPA guy. ;-)

Nobody really knows whether Song will develop to where he can crack the lineup except for the coaching staff and the Song of himself (sorry; that was a reach). I trust Mike over anybody here to decide that. With another largish class on the horizon and a tiny class graduating the coaching staff expects early departures and/or will be doing upgrades. As long as all the kids keep their admissions packages I am not concerned.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2020 08:37AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 04, 2020 08:44AM

Swampy
Jim Hyla
upprdeck
I mean we are complaining about a top 8 PP unit..

the bigger issue is lack of chances for that unit..

for a team thats physical and cycles we dont draw many. we have had
82 chances vs teams that have had 120/+ now some/much of that is playing fewer games so for the ivies we probably stack up ok.

the PK is the much bigger issue giving up 3 in so few shots is not good.

Agree, Clarkson is 24.3% on PP, but 92.8% on PK, vs our 25.6% & 76.8%.

Clarkson is GF 26, GA 8 for a GF% of 76.5. GF% is GF/GF+GA

We're only GF 21, GA 16 for a GF% 56.8.
Respectable
If we had a PK of Clarkson's, we'd only have given up 5 goals, or about 0.5 GA/game less than now.

That would give us a 1.2 GA/game. Insane, those are Dryden/LeNeveu stats.

And might have meant we'd have won some of those tied games.

Five of the GA were by Q. If we omit them, our GF% goes up to 66%: still < CLK, but much more respectable.

Now there are at least three possible factors when considering this loss. One is that the entire team played pretty poorly, and this is true. A second explanation is that Galadja had an off night. A third is that other teams have scouted him and saw a weakness; did you notice how many shots over his glove hand?

I was talking about PP & PK. So the Q loss is meaningless, those 5 goals were not PP goals.

 
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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 04, 2020 10:48AM

The PK numbers are interesting but not very informative. More than any offensive situation, the PK depends upon teamwork and positioning. There are no breakaway penalty kills. The fastest, most elusive skater with the best shot is not necessarily the best penalty killer. Discipline and positioning (coaching) are paramount in PK's.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: February 04, 2020 12:06PM

we killed 17 in a row until the princ game.. so in that vacuum we are about 3-22 which is actually a good number.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: February 04, 2020 07:39PM

U.D.: That's pretty good hockey - but not as good as Clarkson's 92.8 PK versus Cornell's 76.8% PK (cited above).
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Swampy (184.170.253.---)
Date: February 04, 2020 09:15PM

osorojo
U.D.: That's pretty good hockey - but not as good as Clarkson's 92.8 PK versus Cornell's 76.8% PK (cited above).

We have to consider the whole season so far overall and in context. The team started out relying on several first-year players to fill spots as defensemen. Its defense was really good 6 v 6, but the PK left much to be desired. What I observed, perhaps incorrectly, was that the PK held its structure fairly well, but opponents were able to take advantage of small mistakes, which led to breakdowns of the defensive structure.

But as the season went on the PK improved. As osorojo suggested, coaching began to impact. Bad habits and mistakes still happen, but they’re becoming increasingly rare. Barring unforeseen injuries, I’ll be very surprised if our successful PK % does not increase substantially over the rest of the season.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 04, 2020 10:07PM

Swampy
osorojo
U.D.: That's pretty good hockey - but not as good as Clarkson's 92.8 PK versus Cornell's 76.8% PK (cited above).

We have to consider the whole season so far overall and in context. The team started out relying on several first-year players to fill spots as defensemen. Its defense was really good 6 v 6, but the PK left much to be desired. What I observed, perhaps incorrectly, was that the PK held its structure fairly well, but opponents were able to take advantage of small mistakes, which led to breakdowns of the defensive structure.

But as the season went on the PK improved. As osorojo suggested, coaching began to impact. Bad habits and mistakes still happen, but they’re becoming increasingly rare. Barring unforeseen injuries, I’ll be very surprised if our successful PK % does not increase substantially over the rest of the season.

I hope you’re correct about our PK% improving. If not we’ll have a difficult time getting through the ECAC tournament, say nothing of the NCAAs.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 05, 2020 01:14PM

Jim Hyla
Swampy
osorojo
U.D.: That's pretty good hockey - but not as good as Clarkson's 92.8 PK versus Cornell's 76.8% PK (cited above).

We have to consider the whole season so far overall and in context. The team started out relying on several first-year players to fill spots as defensemen. Its defense was really good 6 v 6, but the PK left much to be desired. What I observed, perhaps incorrectly, was that the PK held its structure fairly well, but opponents were able to take advantage of small mistakes, which led to breakdowns of the defensive structure.

But as the season went on the PK improved. As osorojo suggested, coaching began to impact. Bad habits and mistakes still happen, but they’re becoming increasingly rare. Barring unforeseen injuries, I’ll be very surprised if our successful PK % does not increase substantially over the rest of the season.

I hope you’re correct about our PK% improving. If not we’ll have a difficult time getting through the ECAC tournament, say nothing of the NCAAs.
Stats are almost guaranteed to improve. Between now and Lake Placid we have 10 games with 9 of those being against significantly weaker teams. (Clarkson 2/29 is the lone exception.)
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 05, 2020 02:31PM

KenP
Stats are almost guaranteed to improve. Between now and Lake Placid we have 10 games with 9 of those being against significantly weaker teams. (Clarkson 2/29 is the lone exception.)

Ahem.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: KenP (---.mycingular.net)
Date: February 05, 2020 03:00PM

Trotsky
KenP
Stats are almost guaranteed to improve. Between now and Lake Placid we have 10 games with 9 of those being against significantly weaker teams. (Clarkson 2/29 is the lone exception.)

Ahem.
My comment was about opponent PWR or other rating, not about the difficulties of winning a game in the ECAC
Date -- Opponent -- PWR
07 Fri -- Colgate -- 40
08 Sat -- at Colgate -- 40
14 Fri -- Union -- 52
15 Sat -- Rensselaer -- 39
21 Fri -- at Yale -- 41
22 Sat -- at Brown -- 57
28 Fri -- St. Lawrence -- 59
29 Sat -- Clarkson -- 7
(Assuming we have a, ECAC first round bye, next opponent would be 5-12 in ECAC. Highest PWR in the bottom 8 is Dartmouth at 31. Again, on paper they are not a strong team.)
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/05/2020 03:47PM by KenP.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 05, 2020 06:14PM

I thought you were talking about improving PK%. We gave up 2 vs Union.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 06, 2020 08:37AM

Trotsky
I thought you were talking about improving PK%. We gave up 2 vs Union.

My thought as well, as he was quoting me and I was talking about PK%.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 06, 2020 08:47AM

In any case, hopefully we'll be the proverbial hot knife through butter the next four weekends. But as we've seen (as we know from decades of this) there are very few walk (skate?) overs.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: KenP (137.75.68.---)
Date: February 06, 2020 09:59AM

Trotsky
In any case, hopefully we'll be the proverbial hot knife through butter the next four weekends. But as we've seen (as we know from decades of this) there are very few walk (skate?) overs.
Yes.
 
Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: TimV (---.amc.edu)
Date: February 07, 2020 04:12PM

Trotsky
KenP
Stats are almost guaranteed to improve. Between now and Lake Placid we have 10 games with 9 of those being against significantly weaker teams. (Clarkson 2/29 is the lone exception.)

Ahem.

Ha. Even Union can't spell Schenectady.

 
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Re: 2020-02-01: Cornell 5 Princeton 3
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: February 07, 2020 04:38PM

TimV
Trotsky
KenP
Stats are almost guaranteed to improve. Between now and Lake Placid we have 10 games with 9 of those being against significantly weaker teams. (Clarkson 2/29 is the lone exception.)

Ahem.

Ha. Even Union can't spell Schenectady.

They can't spell Onion either. Maybe their eyes are watering.
 

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