2019-12-07: Dartmouth 2 Cornell 1

Final game before break. Concentrate, execute, finish.

Tupker Twins united on a line tonight; Berard dropped after a weak game.

Also the Barron-Locke-Donaldson line is reunited.

Why is my Slack app showing last night's chat?

I think it's up to the admin to change the title

Holy fuck, the Dartmouth sweaters are a war crime.

Does else anyone notice the Dartmouth person lobbying the officials during replays by pointing things out on the replay screen? INAPPROPPRIATE!!

Trotsky
Holy fuck, the Dartmouth sweaters are a war crime.

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Look like the hamburgler

Dartmouth decided to show up after getting whipped by Colgate last night. Even then, it took a goaltender standing on his head to keep this game close

Of course it was Dartmouth away.

Outshot them 40-17, hit 3 posts, and had an opposing goalie makes saves he had no business making. And the winning goal was from a bad angle that Galajda would normally gobble up. But that’s how it goes sometimes in sports.

If nothing else the boys will have a sour taste in their mouth going into break, and will hopefully come out guns blazing in Vegas.

We do seem to struggle more with big physical teams, which is still weird to see.

But we outshot them 40-17, hit three posts, and made their goalie make a half-dozen amazing saves. It happens.

Sucks lost in OT to Colgate, so we're still at the top of the standings.

Thompson: where dreams go to die. I friggin hate that place.

Robb
Thompson: where dreams go to die. I friggin hate that place.

I'm 10-1 there. They should pay my airfare to and from.

The Continuing Saga of Men’s Cornell Hockey and the Hanover Hangover.

That was one of the most aggressive opponent forechecks I've seen run all season. The result certainly wasn't ideal but this is still a good team and we'll see what they have in Las Vegas next month.


Also, those Dartmouth alternates are horrendous and I wish they just used their normal home whites because those are a lot better

Sadly, I figured this would be the one they'd lose, especially since Dartmouth seems to have a decent team this year.

Whatever, now that we've got that behind us, let's just continue taking care of business.

Jeff Hopkins '82
Sadly, I figured this would be the one they'd lose, especially since Dartmouth seems to have a decent team this year.

Whatever, now that we've got that behind us, let's just continue taking care of business.

Also our first loss in 2003, so not bad company.

better than the loss to rpi two years ago after hitting #1 when we were just outplayed by a shitty team. we were better than dartmouth all night and the puck just wouldn't go in. it happens.

All 4 Vegas teams are among the top 15 in winning percentage:

Team Winning Percentage:          W- L- T       Win%
  1 Cornell                      10- 1- 0       .909
  2 Minnesota State              14- 1- 1       .906
  3 North Dakota                 14- 1- 2       .882
  4 Clarkson                     11- 3- 1       .767
  5 Massachusetts                11- 4- 1       .719
  6 Boston College               10- 4- 0       .714
  7 Penn State                   12- 5- 0       .706
  8 Army West Point              11- 5- 0       .688
    Ohio State                   10- 4- 2       .688
 10 Bowling Green                11- 5- 1       .676
 11 UMass Lowell                 10- 4- 4       .667
 12 Denver                        9- 4- 3       .656
 13 Northeastern                 10- 5- 2       .647
 14 Arizona State                 8- 4- 2       .643
 15 Providence                    9- 5- 3       .618
    Sacred Heart                 10- 6- 1       .618

scoop85
If nothing else the boys will have a sour taste in their mouth going into break, and will hopefully come out guns blazing in Vegas.

Agree, as much as I hate losing to Dartmouth, if you’re going to lose, this is probably the game to do it. Unlikely we’ll be tied with them at the end of the season. By losing this they have a lot to think about as they get ready for LV. For the NCAAs those games are more important than this one.

Now can anyone tell me why the first Dartmouth goal was a PP? The penalty was at 0:19 and the goal was at 2:20.

[quote="Jim Hyla]

Now can anyone tell me why the first Dartmouth goal was a PP? The penalty was at 0:19 and the goal was at 2:20.[/quote]

Dartmouth is a liberal arts school?

CBR reports that #2 Men's Hockey's 10-Game Win Streak Halts With 2-1 Loss at Dartmouth

Dartmouth Sports says UNBEATEN NO MORE! Dartmouth Stuns No. 2 Cornell, 2-1

Meanwhile the Sun states Dartmouth Ends No. 2 Men’s Hockey’s 10-Game Winning Streak

However "The Dartmouth" has nothing to say about it.

USCHO mentions it.

At least CHN reports Roundup: Dartmouth Hands Cornell 1st Loss

Many state this joke. "Dartmouth coach Bob Gaudet said, 'We managed the game so well, especially in the third period with the lead.'"

Swampy

Jim Hyla

Now can anyone tell me why the first Dartmouth goal was a PP? The penalty was at 0:19 and the goal was at 2:20.

Dartmouth is a liberal arts school?

Arithmetic was one of the seven liberal arts of Martianus Capella.



You would know this if you had a liberal arts degree.

ugarte
better than the loss to rpi two years ago after hitting #1 when we were just outplayed by a shitty team. we were better than dartmouth all night and the puck just wouldn't go in. it happens.

We were better than Dartmouth most of the night, for sure. But when I happened to tune in in the second, I saw Dartmouth giving us fits by playing tight, physical defense and cycling on offense. When they're playing well, they look like a version of Cornell '03; we, however, are now something that has more game-to-game upside than '03 but lacks, perhaps, that crushing consistency. A further refinement of '05, let's say. For the record, I'm pleased with the transformation.

I would've liked to see us "manufacture" a tying goal, perhaps something much like that Locke goal against Harvard the previous night. Yet, I would say, Dartmouth had a lot to do with denying us the opportunity to do so.

I agree with the other posters who have said that, given Cornell was going to have to lose eventually, better that it was the last game of the semester against a team they badly outplayed. Dartmouth generated almost zero offense. Their first goal was on a perfect shot and their second goal Galajda should have stopped. Cornell hit three pipes and created a billion other chances. Cornell is a much better team than Dartmouth and they showed it last night. Whatever. I just hope Galajda isn't haunted by the second goal for the rest of the calendar year.

Trotsky

Swampy

Jim Hyla

Now can anyone tell me why the first Dartmouth goal was a PP? The penalty was at 0:19 and the goal was at 2:20.

Dartmouth is a liberal arts school?

Arithmetic was one of the seven liberal arts of Martianus Capella.

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You would know this if you had a liberal arts degree.

I do know this. “Liberal education” started with the Academy in Greece. Its name signifies an education for free people, non-slaves.

But have you seen what passes for liberal education and liberal arts in the modern corporate U? To say it’s whatever keeps butts in seats, raises “retention rates,” and keeps dollars flowing is not an exaggeration. And surely it’s sold to students as “this is what (corporate) employers want.”

Seriously, at an elite school like Dartmouth one would expect all students to be mathematically competent. So my joke was very tongue-in-cheek. But drop down a notch or two, and the joke takes on an entirely different color.

Was it an exciting win for Dartmouth's fan?

French Rage
Was it an exciting win for Dartmouth's fan?

I believe their students were away, but the crowd size was reasonable. It certainly seemed larger than I remember in many other games there. So maybe they are getting better support this year. Now as far as quality of some fans, that's a different question.

I was there for the mid to late 80s games when attendance was in double digits. There is no way on Earth it isn't better now.

Last night's game was an anomaly for us," Clark said. "This was more of who we are and our game."

Soooo...it was anomalous yet more characteristic? How, exactly, does that work?

TimV

Last night's game was an anomaly for us," Clark said. "This was more of who we are and our game."

Soooo...it was anomalous yet more characteristic? How, exactly, does that work?

I think "last night" meant the Colgate 5-1 loss and "this" was our game.

Unfortunately they then went on to tie (#44 in PWR) Bentley.

Ok. That's what I get for being a week behind in my reading. Carryover bad habit from college.

Hope you all saw this column by our guy Joe ...

Now everyone read it with crossed fingers, to make sure it doesn't upset the gods..

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Nice piece.

We'll know a bit more about the team after Vegas. They look great but that one Comment is also a true statement. The best team they've beaten so far is not a top 10 PWR team.

Trotsky
Nice piece.

We'll know a bit more about the team after Vegas. They look great but that one Comment is also a true statement. The best team they've beaten so far is not a top 10 PWR team.

I might give more of a shit about the truth of that one comment if that same guy weren't making that same exact comment on every CHN story that dares to suggest Cornell is good this year. Another true statement is that if we manage to win the last four (or eight) games of the year, nobody is going to care who we beat along the way. Anybody remember what Yale's SOS was on their way to a #15 PWR finish in 2013 before they ran the table?

Beeeej

Trotsky
Nice piece.

We'll know a bit more about the team after Vegas. They look great but that one Comment is also a true statement. The best team they've beaten so far is not a top 10 PWR team.

I might give more of a shit about the truth of that one comment if that same guy weren't making that same exact comment on every CHN story that dares to suggest Cornell is good this year.

My reaction exactly. Likely a western whiner. His handle is ironic.

adamw
Hope you all saw this column by our guy Joe ...

Now everyone read it with crossed fingers, to make sure it doesn't upset the gods..

[www.collegehockeynews.com]

Of course I enjoyed the substance, but it was beautifully written article to boot.

Beeeej

Trotsky
Nice piece.

We'll know a bit more about the team after Vegas. They look great but that one Comment is also a true statement. The best team they've beaten so far is not a top 10 PWR team.

I might give more of a shit about the truth of that one comment if that same guy weren't making that same exact comment on every CHN story that dares to suggest Cornell is good this year. Another true statement is that if we manage to win the last four (or eight) games of the year, nobody is going to care who we beat along the way. Anybody remember what Yale's SOS was on their way to a #15 PWR finish in 2013 before they ran the table?

Of course that's true of virtually every team in the nation.

Jim Hyla

Beeeej

Trotsky
Nice piece.

We'll know a bit more about the team after Vegas. They look great but that one Comment is also a true statement. The best team they've beaten so far is not a top 10 PWR team.

I might give more of a shit about the truth of that one comment if that same guy weren't making that same exact comment on every CHN story that dares to suggest Cornell is good this year. Another true statement is that if we manage to win the last four (or eight) games of the year, nobody is going to care who we beat along the way. Anybody remember what Yale's SOS was on their way to a #15 PWR finish in 2013 before they ran the table?

Of course that's true of virtually every team in the nation.

Precisely why his comment is meaningless.

Beeeej
Precisely why his comment is meaningless.

"Meaningless" is overstating it. It doesn't detract from my estimate of the team's quality, but it does increase the margin of error. Wins against top teams help nail down a contender as belonging there. They raise the floor.

OTOH, I wasn't aware the commenter was a troll using that line as a bludgeon so fuck him with Kevan Melrose's pox-riddled cock.

The loss to Dartmouth was not due to injuries, poor ice, or any other physical factor as far as I have heard. The mental "quality" of the team at Dartmouth is suspect.

osorojo
The loss to Dartmouth was not due to injuries, poor ice, or any other physical factor as far as I have heard. The mental "quality" of the team at Dartmouth is suspect.

We hit three posts, sat on them the entire third period, and outshot them 40-17. They got lucky on a weird fluky goal and their goalie made a half-dozen miracle saves.

It has nothing to do with mental anything.

Too soon to start making excuses. Hockey is NOT a game of chance - unless Cornell's one goal in 40 shots was a lucky goal?

osorojo
The loss to Dartmouth was not due to injuries, poor ice, or any other physical factor as far as I have heard. The mental "quality" of the team at Dartmouth is suspect.

No.

osorojo
Too soon to start making excuses. Hockey is NOT a game of chance - unless Cornell's one goal in 40 shots was a lucky goal?

More no.

I can't argue with cold, hard logic and solid evidence. On any particular night any hockey team could beat any other hockey team. But you would have to be very patient and very long-lived.

I have been following Cornell Men's ice hockey ever since Roger "The Beast" Eastman stepped on Lynah's ice. I have come to sense the difference between an Excuse for a loss, such as "bad breaks" and a Reason for a loss, such as "injuries". Cornell was rated #2 - Dartmouth #29. What physical (versus mental) disabilities did Cornell suffer at game time?

osorojo
I have been following Cornell Men's ice hockey ever since Roger "The Beast" Eastman stepped on Lynah's ice. I have come to sense the difference between an Excuse for a loss, such as "bad breaks" and a Reason for a loss, such as "injuries". Cornell was rated #2 - Dartmouth #29. What physical (versus mental) disabilities did Cornell suffer at game time?

The difference between 2 and 29 just isn't that wide. The Astros went 0-3 against the Reds this year. Holy Cross beat Minnesota etc etc etc

osorojo
The loss to Dartmouth was not due to injuries, poor ice, or any other physical factor as far as I have heard. The mental "quality" of the team at Dartmouth is suspect.

Delete your account

Ice hockey is not a game of chance.

osorojo
Ice hockey is not a game of chance.

Which is why there has never been an upset in the history of hockey, right?

The examination of effects is not nearly as interesting as the examination of causes. A 2-1 hockey loss is an effect. "Nothing to see here folks - move on." Those who do not examine the causes and effects of the past are bound to repeat the past.

osorojo
Those who do not examine the causes and effects of the past are bound to repeat the past.

Review of your posts suggests this is the case.

Dafatone

osorojo
Ice hockey is not a game of chance.

Which is why there has never been an upset in the history of hockey, right?

Well, I know from The Lore that Ned Harkness never, ever, let his teams have mental lapses, so I'm guessing CHN has its history pages wrong. 11-0-1 Cornell couldn't have lost to a 6-5-0 Yale team at Lynah in early January in 1967.

All kidding aside, the CHN page for the 1966-67 Cornell results is clearly messed up - it shows Cornell losing to Brown, playing BC to a draw, and beating BU en route to the ECAC tournament title, which makes no sense at all. However, according to Wikipedia the loss to Yale did, in fact, happen, with Cornell heavily outshooting Yale and losing anyway.

Here's hoping the rest of this season ends up with the same collection of titles as the 66-67 season.

Tom Lento

Dafatone

osorojo
Ice hockey is not a game of chance.

Which is why there has never been an upset in the history of hockey, right?

Well, I know from The Lore that Ned Harkness never, ever, let his teams have mental lapses, so I'm guessing CHN has its history pages wrong. 11-0-1 Cornell couldn't have lost to a 6-5-0 Yale team at Lynah in early January in 1967.

All kidding aside, the CHN page for the 1966-67 Cornell results is clearly messed up - it shows Cornell losing to Brown, playing BC to a draw, and beating BU en route to the ECAC tournament title, which makes no sense at all. However, according to Wikipedia the loss to Yale did, in fact, happen, with Cornell heavily outshooting Yale and losing anyway.

Here's hoping the rest of this season ends up with the same collection of titles as the 66-67 season.

The problem with the T & L in the CHN results is that they couldn't count past 10. We beat Brown 11-2 & BC 12-2, turning a loss and a tie into 2 wins.

Edit #1: Oh, and the Dec. 16-17 ECAC Holiday Tourney was at MSG, not Boston Garden.

Adam, where are you?

Edit #2: Looking at their whole results page, they can count past 10, as they have the McMaster game 14-2. So I don't know how they f'd up.

Jim Hyla
Edit #1: Oh, and the Dec. 16-17 ECAC Holiday Tourney was at MSG, not Boston Garden.

In the old Gahden, Jim. Boston, that is.

By definition we can't predict random events at all or complex future events with much reliability, but we certainly must study the past events and learn from them to achieve our goals. There is not much correlation between a hockey game and a craps game - unless you're into predestination? I hope someone is looking into what the team did wrong (besides lose) in the last game so they don't do it again in the next game. There's a generic name for people who continue to make the same mistakes.

Are you a Cornell graduate?

Jim Hyla

Tom Lento

Dafatone

osorojo
Ice hockey is not a game of chance.

Which is why there has never been an upset in the history of hockey, right?

Well, I know from The Lore that Ned Harkness never, ever, let his teams have mental lapses, so I'm guessing CHN has its history pages wrong. 11-0-1 Cornell couldn't have lost to a 6-5-0 Yale team at Lynah in early January in 1967.

All kidding aside, the CHN page for the 1966-67 Cornell results is clearly messed up - it shows Cornell losing to Brown, playing BC to a draw, and beating BU en route to the ECAC tournament title, which makes no sense at all. However, according to Wikipedia the loss to Yale did, in fact, happen, with Cornell heavily outshooting Yale and losing anyway.

Here's hoping the rest of this season ends up with the same collection of titles as the 66-67 season.

The problem with the T & L in the CHN results is that they couldn't count past 10. We beat Brown 11-2 & BC 12-2, turning a loss and a tie into 2 wins.

Edit #1: Oh, and the Dec. 16-17 ECAC Holiday Tourney was at MSG, not Boston Garden.

Adam, where are you?

Edit #2: Looking at their whole results page, they can count past 10, as they have the McMaster game 14-2. So I don't know how they f'd up.

I love when everyone snarks instead of just, ya know, sending a nice heads up email. Friggin millennials.

osorojo
By definition we can't predict random events at all or complex future events with much reliability, but we certainly must study the past events and learn from them to achieve our goals. There is not much correlation between a hockey game and a craps game - unless you're into predestination? I hope someone is looking into what the team did wrong (besides lose) in the last game so they don't do it again in the next game. There's a generic name for people who continue to make the same mistakes.

Nah, coaches never do that ... They just wind up the players, turn on the electric vibration machine, and let them run around randomly in hopes of the right outcome.

Jim Hyla
Edit #1: Oh, and the Dec. 16-17 ECAC Holiday Tourney was at MSG, not Boston Garden.

I just looked this up again Jim, from newspaper accounts of the time. This tournament was in Boston.

adamw

Jim Hyla
Edit #1: Oh, and the Dec. 16-17 ECAC Holiday Tourney was at MSG, not Boston Garden.

I just looked this up again Jim, from newspaper accounts of the time. This tournament was in Boston.

And then, after beating Harvard in Ithaca, they went back to the Garden for the "Boston Christmas Tournament" with Northeastern, Harvard, and BU. Maybe Ned also lobbied for us to replace BC in the Beanpot that year, too.

I do what I can for you people...

underskill

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Ok, so I'm an elder law attorney by day. A portion of this thread seems to have devolved into the random and disconnected rambling that I hear on an almost daily basis with certain of my clients.

scoop85

underskill

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Ok, so I'm an elder law attorney by day. A portion of this thread seems to have devolved into the random and disconnected rambling that I hear on an almost daily basis with certain of my clients.

Do they pay you in hard candy?

That's really cool. I plugged in the games for 2003 and happened to notice we lost to Dartmouth in Hanover 5-2 before beating them later in Ithaca 6-1. I hope that bodes well for this year.

RichH

adamw

Jim Hyla
Edit #1: Oh, and the Dec. 16-17 ECAC Holiday Tourney was at MSG, not Boston Garden.

I just looked this up again Jim, from newspaper accounts of the time. This tournament was in Boston.

And then, after beating Harvard in Ithaca, they went back to the Garden for the "Boston Christmas Tournament" with Northeastern, Harvard, and BU. Maybe Ned also lobbied for us to replace BC in the Beanpot that year, too.

No, this tournament was in the Boston Arena, not the Garden. I had already posted that the first tournament was at the Boston Garden.

adamw

Jim Hyla
Edit #1: Oh, and the Dec. 16-17 ECAC Holiday Tourney was at MSG, not Boston Garden.

I just looked this up again Jim, from newspaper accounts of the time. This tournament was in Boston.

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Yes my bad. I always remembered us going to MSG for their holiday tournaments, we won it 4 times including the year before and the year after 1966, so my old age memory got this wrong.

Adam, I believe you also have the BC games in that tournament as being at MSG. Those also carry over into the MSU and NU pages, where the games against BC are listed as at MSG and the other games at Boston.

Jim Hyla
Adam, I believe you also have the BC games in that tournament as being at MSG. Those also carry over into the MSU and NU pages, where the games against BC are listed as at MSG and the other games at Boston.

Fixed it - thanks.

The press accounts don't do justice to Mike Doran's goal. It was a 2-on-1, with Doran trailing Ferguson. Ferguson skated straight on goal and dropped the pass to Doran. Meanwhile, Ferguson faked a shot and moved into position to screen the GK. Doran immediately shot the puck into the goal.

It's the kind of thing that stays with you for fifty years or so.

Swampy
The press accounts don't do justice to Mike Doran's goal. It was a 2-on-1, with Doran trailing Ferguson. Ferguson skated straight on goal and dropped the pass to Doran. Meanwhile, Ferguson faked a shot and moved into position to screen the GK. Doran immediately shot the puck into the goal.

It's the kind of thing that stays with you for fifty years or so.

If I close my eyes I can still see the Moeser goal from Nieuwy to win the 1986 ECAC SF in 2ot against Yale.