Opponent News 19-20

andyw2100

Jim Hyla
Not opponents, but check out the #1 USCHO Play of the Week.

Are you pointing this out because that goal was scored off a stick quite a bit higher than our 2003 frozen four no-goal?

That was my reaction.

Yale getting throttled at BC, although I don't think that game means very much for the pairwise. Certainly doesn't help the conference

I wasn't sure where to put this post, but since Iceberg just mentioned Yale, I thought I'd throw it here. Interesting college hockey column, especially in the section about coaches whose jobs may be on the line, and the discussion about why Yale was able to dominate Cornell for a while but can no longer do so.

dbilmes
I wasn't sure where to put this post, but since Iceberg just mentioned Yale, I thought I'd throw it here. Interesting college hockey column, especially in the section about coaches whose jobs may be on the line, and the discussion about why Yale was able to dominate Cornell for a while but can no longer do so.

That is interesting but I have a question about the numbers.

My understanding is that HYP got serious about full financial support for Mere Mortals in two stages. In Stage I they made tuition (and perhaps expenses) virtually free for the Poors. I don't know the timeline so I'm guessing in the 90s. The other five with our smaller endowments took a long, long time to catch up, perhaps because we couldn't afford it, perhaps because the degree of enlightenment in the tier 2 Ivies is roughly equivalent to a 1850s plantation owner with a well-stocked library he never visits. But finally, begrudgingly the other 5 caught up just in time for...

... Stage II, in which HYP just said fuck it and filled in the Middle Class donut hole. If you were Plutey McFuckface you still had to pay full freight but otherwise tuition became a fiction like MSRP: a number you use for bragging rights with no real world meaning (since the only people who ever pay it can find it in their couch).

And Stage II is a place where the other 5 either cannot or will not go, ever.

Now, maybe our fine hockey recruits are covered disproportionally by Stage I and so this won't impact the program. Although hockey in the States not beginning with "M" has become dominated by rich assholes, in Canada it still seems to be a Great Leveler, like drinking and unrestrained political violence. Hypothetically. Hope so, because if we're fighting over what Joan Williams calls PMEs ("professional-managerial elites" -- the people who get Cornell degrees so the rich will pay them to run the shit they own; you know... us), we are going to lose to HYP because they are now subsidizing them.

Trotsky

dbilmes
I wasn't sure where to put this post, but since Iceberg just mentioned Yale, I thought I'd throw it here. Interesting college hockey column, especially in the section about coaches whose jobs may be on the line, and the discussion about why Yale was able to dominate Cornell for a while but can no longer do so.

That is interesting but I have a question about the numbers.

My understanding is that HYP got serious about full financial support for Mere Mortals in two stages. In Stage I they made tuition (and perhaps expenses) virtually free for the Poors. I don't know the timeline so I'm guessing in the 90s. The other five with our smaller endowments took a long, long time to catch up, perhaps because we couldn't afford it, perhaps because the degree of enlightenment in the tier 2 Ivies is roughly equivalent to a 1850s plantation owner with a well-stocked library he never visits. But finally, begrudgingly the other 5 caught up just in time for...

... Stage II, in which HYP just said fuck it and filled in the Middle Class donut hole. If you were Plutey McFuckface you still had to pay full freight but otherwise tuition became a fiction like MSRP: a number you use for bragging rights with no real world meaning (since the only people who ever pay it can find it in their couch).

And Stage II is a place where the other 5 either cannot or will not go, ever.

Now, maybe our fine hockey recruits are covered disproportionally by Stage I and so this won't impact the program. Although hockey in the States not beginning with "M" has become dominated by rich assholes, in Canada it still seems to be a Great Leveler, like drinking and unrestrained political violence. Hypothetically. Hope so, because if we're fighting over what Joan Williams calls PMEs ("professional-managerial elites" -- the people who get Cornell degrees so the rich will pay them to run the shit they own; you know... us), we are going to lose to HYP because they are now subsidizing them.

Wow, that was a really well written article and incredibly educational (at least for me). Also enjoyed your follow-up, Trotsky.

Cornell has adopted a program where it matches the financial aid awards of the other Ivy League schools, Stanford, MIT, & Duke. This program is for all students, not just athletes. So if a hockey recruit wants to attend Cornell but received a better financial aid package from Harvard, Cornell will match the Harvard package. This will enable the recruit to play in front of the Lynah Faithful, not empty seats.

CAS
Cornell has adopted a program where it matches the financial aid awards of the other Ivy League schools, Stanford, MIT, & Duke. This program is for all students, not just athletes. So if a hockey recruit wants to attend Cornell but received a better financial aid package from Harvard, Cornell will match the Harvard package. This will enable the recruit to play in front of the Lynah Faithful, not empty seats.

My understanding is slightly different. In that Stanford, MIT, Duke, Harvard, Princeton, Yale instituted a program that uses their large endowments to give much bigger financial assistance than previously - for all students. This obviously impacted athletics favorably. The other Ivies had to get approval from the Ivy League that it was OK to match these awards without it being considered athletic scholarships in any way.

adamw

CAS
Cornell has adopted a program where it matches the financial aid awards of the other Ivy League schools, Stanford, MIT, & Duke. This program is for all students, not just athletes. So if a hockey recruit wants to attend Cornell but received a better financial aid package from Harvard, Cornell will match the Harvard package. This will enable the recruit to play in front of the Lynah Faithful, not empty seats.

My understanding is slightly different. In that Stanford, MIT, Duke, Harvard, Princeton, Yale instituted a program that uses their large endowments to give much bigger financial assistance than previously - for all students. This obviously impacted athletics favorably. The other Ivies had to get approval from the Ivy League that it was OK to match these awards without it being considered athletic scholarships in any way.

Both Stanford and Duke provide athletic “scholarships,” many of which are full ride.

The match is of need-based scholarships. The Ivies offer only need-based scholarships

CAS
The match is of need-based scholarships. The Ivies offer only need-based scholarships

Yes, of course. Yale, Princeton, Harvard decided to give much more in need-based aid than they had before. The other Ivies were not doing that. The Ivy League allowed the other Ivy athletic programs to match their aid packages. I know there's more to it than this.

BC vs Harvard worth the watch on ESPN+.

Indeed. BC with 3 goals in 1:48. Very wide open game

Iceberg
Indeed. BC with 3 goals in 1:48. Very wide open game

Wasn't until it was. Third should be fun.

marty
BC vs Harvard worth the watch on ESPN+.

Watching the Harvard info-mercial made my pine for East Hill Car Wash.

marty

marty
BC vs Harvard worth the watch on ESPN+.

Watching the Harvard info-mercial made my pine for East Hill Car Wash.

On NESN Harvard must have paid for the coverage. About 75% of non-game time spots are highlights from Harvard athletics over the past 30 years.

BC 4 / Harvard 2. Harvard is no longer undefeated.

Northern Michigan is down 3-0 in the first at Alabama-Huntsville.

Alabama-Huntsville is 0-11-1.

Bad night for the ECAC.

Harvard lost by 2 to BC. RPI lost by 4 to Lowell (shut out). St. Lawrence lost by 3 to Maine. Quinnipiac lost by 3 to UMass (shut out).

Colgate managed to win their game. They played Princeton.

Trotsky
Northern Michigan is down 3-0 in the first at Alabama-Huntsville.

Alabama-Huntsville is 0-11-1.

Not any more. Alabama-Huntsville won 4-2.

Meanwhile, #1 Minnesota State keeps chugging along, beating Minnesota Duluth, at Duluth, 4-1.

Swampy
BC 4 / Harvard 2. Harvard is no longer undefeated.

I remember hearing the Harvard goalie left the last game with what looked like a groin injury. Any updates on him? Did that impact the BC game?

Read that Harvard goalie - Mitchell Gibson - was dressed for game but didn’t play.

KenP

Swampy
BC 4 / Harvard 2. Harvard is no longer undefeated.

I remember hearing the Harvard goalie left the last game with what looked like a groin injury. Any updates on him? Did that impact the BC game?

when the wheels fell off for harvard at the end of the second period there was nothing their backup goalie could do about it

The goaltender played fine from what I saw. Harvard's coaching lost them that game

BU up 4-1 over Harvard with 6 min left.

Al DeFlorio
BU up 4-1 over Harvard with 6 min left.

5-2 final, as Harvard scored a late PP goal, followed by a BU empty netter. Right after Harvard’s 2nd goal they missed a wide open net that would’ve made things really interesting.

We got some help tonight and nearly got more:

(1) Mankato defeated Lake State
(2) Cornell defeated Harvard
(3) North Dakota defeated Western Michigan (ot)
(4) Denver lost to Arizona State
(5) Clarkson DNP
(6) Pedo State lost to Michigan
(7) Ohio State defeated Minnesota (ot)
(8) Northeastern DNP
(9) Notre Dame lost to (10) BC

For some strange reason, I turned on the UMass-Brown game, which is currently airing on NESN. I have never seen such an empty rink. There appear to be more people on the ice then in the stands.

dbilmes
For some strange reason, I turned on the UMass-Brown game, which is currently airing on NESN. I have never seen such an empty rink. There appear to be more people on the ice then in the stands.

The announcer typically has to take a break between periods. My understanding is that he makes it down to the concession stand..... to serve the Coke and hot cocoa.

dbilmes
For some strange reason, I turned on the UMass-Brown game, which is currently airing on NESN. I have never seen such an empty rink. There appear to be more people on the ice then in the stands.

And Brown got shutout 4-0 to no one's surprise. Hard to believe that arena was the same place Bob Marley had one of his last concerts


Yale and Princeton did win their games, so it's a net positive in regard to OOC record I guess. Still a few more OOC games involving ECAC teams coming up

marty

dbilmes
For some strange reason, I turned on the UMass-Brown game, which is currently airing on NESN. I have never seen such an empty rink. There appear to be more people on the ice then in the stands.

The announcer typically has to take a break between periods. My understanding is that he makes it down to the concession stand..... to serve the Coke and hot cocoa.

IINM Eddie Shore used to actually do this, but I' sure he also spat in the cocoa.

Trotsky

marty

dbilmes
For some strange reason, I turned on the UMass-Brown game, which is currently airing on NESN. I have never seen such an empty rink. There appear to be more people on the ice then in the stands.

The announcer typically has to take a break between periods. My understanding is that he makes it down to the concession stand..... to serve the Coke and hot cocoa.

IINM Eddie Shore used to actually do this, but I' sure he also spat in the cocoa.

Oh, Piss on Eddie Shore!

Roy 82

Trotsky

marty

dbilmes
For some strange reason, I turned on the UMass-Brown game, which is currently airing on NESN. I have never seen such an empty rink. There appear to be more people on the ice then in the stands.

The announcer typically has to take a break between periods. My understanding is that he makes it down to the concession stand..... to serve the Coke and hot cocoa.

IINM Eddie Shore used to actually do this, but I' sure he also spat in the cocoa.

Oh, Piss on Eddie Shore!

Old time hockey?

Roy 82

Trotsky

marty

dbilmes
For some strange reason, I turned on the UMass-Brown game, which is currently airing on NESN. I have never seen such an empty rink. There appear to be more people on the ice then in the stands.

The announcer typically has to take a break between periods. My understanding is that he makes it down to the concession stand..... to serve the Coke and hot cocoa.

IINM Eddie Shore used to actually do this, but I' sure he also spat in the cocoa.

Oh, Piss on Eddie Shore!

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Sort of opponents news, and nice to boot.

Harvard honors BC coach Jerry York

Not exactly “news,” but an interesting look at Union’s And Yale‘s declining fortunes since their NCs.

"Bumps in the Road"
The Yale fan and the Quinnipiac fan might say the headline understates.

If I was within a decade of an NC, I could still live with some bumps.

Colgate up on Ohio State 2-1 midway through.

Trotsky
Colgate up on Ohio State 2-1 midway through.

Didn’t last. OSU 3 Colgate 2, Final.

Harvard kicking the snot out of Arizona State. Good.

Trotsky
Harvard kicking the snot out of Arizona State. Good.

And Vermont wins their first of the year beating Union 2-0 (including an empty net goal). Union now 57 in the PWR!

Swampy

Trotsky
Colgate up on Ohio State 2-1 midway through.

Didn’t last. OSU 3 Colgate 2, Final.

OSU also beat them Saturday 3-0. Friday in Vegas should be a very good game.

basically Colgate was up 1 and down 1 going into the 3rd and gave up 2 goals both games and lost.

Harvard went up 3-0 in the second game but ASU tied it 4-4.

In case anyone is interested, Tom Reale came out of hibernation to post a list of RPI's top ten games of the last 10 years. I guess that he has some time on his hands since he lost his mayoral bid. It includes one game vs. Cornell.

ursusminor
In case anyone is interested, Tom Reale came out of hibernation to post a list of RPI's top ten games of the last 10 years. I guess that he has some time on his hands since he lost his mayoral bid. It includes one game vs. Cornell.

Interesting, though not surprising, that RPI won all ten games. Sometimes your team can lose a great game, as in Cornell’s triple-overtime loss to Wisconsin in the 2006 NC$$ regionals.

Swampy

ursusminor
In case anyone is interested, Tom Reale came out of hibernation to post a list of RPI's top ten games of the last 10 years. I guess that he has some time on his hands since he lost his mayoral bid. It includes one game vs. Cornell.

Interesting, though not surprising, that RPI won all ten games. Sometimes your team can lose a great game, as in Cornell’s triple-overtime loss to Wisconsin in the 2006 NC$$ regionals.

There are a loss and a tie among the five honorable mentions at the bottom.

never mind.

instead let's talk about Harvard in free fall and RPI beating Clarkson in Potsdam.

ugarte
never mind.

instead let's talk about Harvard in free fall and RPI beating Clarkson in Potsdam.

Of course, RPI will probably follow that with a loss to SLU tomorrow.

When Cornell plays in Potsdam, do the refs seem quite biased for the home team?

ugarte
let's talk about Harvard in free fall

Mitchell Gibson left that game after the second period at 3-1. His backup Cameron Gornet gave up 3 on 10 shots.

Don't look now but the third place ECAC team by pct is Colgate.

Don't look now, too, but Quinnipiac outscored Harvard and Dartmouth by a combined score of 11-2 this weekend.

dbilmes
Don't look now, too, but Quinnipiac outscored Harvard and Dartmouth by a combined score of 11-2 this weekend.

They’re also #16 in PWR. Clarkson is #14.

N Mich is top 20 now as well.

big home series to finish off the oc.

upprdeck
N Mich is top 20 now as well.

big home series to finish off the oc.

Am I correct in saying that Cornell’s OOC schedule has been better than it looked on paper before season started?

JasonN95

upprdeck
N Mich is top 20 now as well.

big home series to finish off the oc.

Am I correct in saying that Cornell’s OOC schedule has been better than it looked on paper before season started?

Spartans 4 Goofers 1

Swampy
Spartans 4 Goofers 1

Excellent! Go Sparty!

North Dakota down 4-2 to Omaha after 2.

andyw2100
North Dakota down 4-2 to Omaha after 2.

Shots are 21-8 NoDak at the moment. That's a mighty fine shooting percentage for the Mavs...

andyw2100
North Dakota down 4-2 to Omaha after 2.

4-3 w/ about 12 min. to go in the 3rd.

Swampy

andyw2100
North Dakota down 4-2 to Omaha after 2.

4-3 w/ about 12 min. to go in the 3rd.

Audio here:
[fightinghawks.com]

2:35 remaining. Time Out.

Extra attacker as play starts.

ENG - 5-3!

Another ENG. 6-3, 25 seconds left.

And it ends that way! I imagine we should take over first in pairwise.

andyw2100
I imagine we should take over first in pairwise.

Yep.

OSU up on Wisconsin 4-2 with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd.

OSU wins it, 4-2.

Jeff Hopkins '82

andyw2100
I imagine we should take over first in pairwise.

Yep.

First in Krach as well

Swampy
Spartans 4 Goofers 1

MSU has #1 SOS using KRACH rankings.

Yale gets blown out 7-0 at MSG in perhaps the largest margins of loss by any team in the conference this season. And BU goes up to Hanover and blows a 3-0 lead within 2 minutes and then a 4-3 lead within 1 minute to wind up with a loss, although one of the BU goals will probably wind up on ESPN.

Miami 2 NDak 0 after 1:49 of the first!

75er
Miami 2 NDak 0 after 1:49 of the first!

Ends 4-4. Rankings unlikely to change.

Swampy

75er
Miami 2 NDak 0 after 1:49 of the first!

Ends 4-4. Rankings unlikely to change.

Looks like pairwise did. Red #2.

Al DeFlorio

Swampy

75er
Miami 2 NDak 0 after 1:49 of the first!

Ends 4-4. Rankings unlikely to change.

Looks like pairwise did. Red #2.

It's a little odd that we tied a better team than the one NDak tied and they passed us, but I suppose our opponents and our opponents' opponents might've had a bad day.

And Dartmouth beats Clarkson. So we're now 1 point back with 2 games in hand. A little more comfortable.

We’ve also played a lot fewer games than NoDak, so our tie drops our own winning percentage a bit more than NoDak’s tie drops theirs.

Robb
We’ve also played a lot fewer games than NoDak, so our tie drops our own winning percentage a bit more than NoDak’s tie drops theirs.

You also get more credit (these days) for a road tie than a home tie

adamw

Robb
We’ve also played a lot fewer games than NoDak, so our tie drops our own winning percentage a bit more than NoDak’s tie drops theirs.

You also get more credit (these days) for a road tie than a home tie

As it should be

Michigan St beat Wisco last night, 4-0. Nice having two wins against the first place team in the Big Ten.

JasonN95
Michigan St beat Wisco last night, 4-0. Nice having two wins against the first place team in the Big Ten.

Even better, two road wins

North Dakota and Minnesota State both pulled out late come-from-behind wins tonight. (North Dakota went ahead with just over a minute left in the third and then added an empty-netter, and Minnesota State won in OT.)

Back to 2 in PWR as the Brownian motion of RPICH continues.

Impressive completing our difficult non-league schedule unbeaten

Jeff Hopkins '82

Jim Hyla
Not really an opponent, well sort of, Feola Named Director of Officiating

I don't know...he's often seemed like an opponent.

a) cheap line, Jeff, and obvious
b) you beat us to it

ESPN+ has been great in part because of being able to jump to other ECAC contests live or zip through a replay later to check out the highlights. Tonight we get a chance to see Arizona State at Clarkson; I’m looking forward to seeing just how good the independent AZ St is. (Hopefully Clarkson can win for league prestige and PWR bump sake.)

Clarkson beats ASU in ot on a nice opportunistic steal and "greasy" goal.

Trotsky
Clarkson beats ASU in ot on a nice opportunistic steal and "greasy" goal.

And right now they're up to 7 in the PWR with OSU losing to the Goofers in the 3rd.

Interesting: Tonight in HEA and B10, the PWR favorites went 0-5-1, including losses by #5 BC, #6 OSU, #8 UMass, and #9 PSU. The only favorite not to lose was #49 Merrimack tying #50 UVM.

UMD leads NoDak 4-3 after 2.

Now 5-3 with 11:33 left
Now 6-3 with 8:06 left.
FINAL 7-4 Minnesota-Duluth over NoDak

Robb
Interesting: Tonight in HEA and B10, the PWR favorites went 0-5-1, including losses by #5 BC, #6 OSU, #8 UMass, and #9 PSU. The only favorite not to lose was #49 Merrimack tying #50 UVM.

Whale of a game at the low end of PWR. I looked at the box, and UVM lead Merrimack 4-1 midway through the second, MER gets it to 4-4 by the end of the period. UVM goes up a goal in the third and MER ties it up in the last few minutes.

Robb
Interesting: Tonight in HEA and B10, the PWR favorites went 0-5-1, including losses by #5 BC, #6 OSU, #8 UMass, and #9 PSU. The only favorite not to lose was #49 Merrimack tying #50 UVM.

I took a look at the bu - lowell box. saw bu scored 5 in the third period including three on the same major.

Not an "opponent," perhaps, but referee Mike Emanatian is retiring due to a bad back. Anybody who dropped the f-bomb on Bill Cleary at 19 is a national hero.

This is a wonderful image; I can imagine it perfectly:

"I will never, ever forget [that first game]," Emanatian said. "I said, 'Well, what do I do?' He said, 'Well, you know what everything is, you've played hockey your whole life. If you see a trip, call a trip. If you see a punch in the head, call it.'

"I remember seeing a kid trip another kid, and I'm like, 'There it is.'

"So I put my arm up. Everybody stopped, and it was like, OK, what do you have? So I pointed to the player, and I'm sure I didn't do that right, and I signaled a trip, which I'm sure was terrible. And the kid went to the box and nobody yelled or said a word, and I think it was that moment I just fell in love with it. I thought, 'Wow, I get to come out here, skate, in the game I love,' and it was really that very first penalty I called in the first game I did that I kind of got hooked on it."

I can imagine that. "Holy shit, they're actually going to listen to me?" Adorable.

Colgate's pp has reached 4.5%

Thanks Trotsky! +1

Sacred Heart isn't our opponent this season, but this seemed like the best place to post this. Not only did Sacred Heart convincingly defeat both Yale and Quinnipiac this past weekend in the first Connecticut Classic, it also announced plans to spend $60 million to build a 4,000-seat hockey arena. Apparently Sacred Heart has realized that men's hockey is the best sport for it become a national contender (just like Q),and is going to go for it big time.

That's fascinating. Maybe they could be another SLU -- small, liberal arts Catholic school. I'm all for kicking Q out. Can SHU pull its weight academically?

Isn't that a low bar when compared to Q?

Chris H82
Isn't that a low bar when compared to Q?

My question was whether SHU belongs in the same cluster with the ECAC in the way that Q (and TBH probably UVM) does not.

I mean, the other way is 16: + SHU, Niagara, RIT, and Canisius. We could also add back Army if we still want to kick out Q (spoiler: we do).

Trotsky

Chris H82
Isn't that a low bar when compared to Q?

My question was whether SHU belongs in the same cluster with the ECAC in the way that Q (and TBH probably UVM) does not.

I mean, the other way is 16: + SHU, Niagara, RIT, and Canisius. We could also add back Army if we still want to kick out Q (spoiler: we do).

Why do you guys want to kick Q out? Sorry im new.

They don't fit the academic model. No need to be sorry.