2019 ECAC QF

By definition anybody we faced would have just won a series, so they would be playing at least okay. I'm glad we'll have guys back and rested. I hope the crowd is big and loud.

(ctd)

I would expect Avg crowd friday, better crowd sat, and empty on sunday if the usual plays out.

Trotsky
By definition anybody we faced would have just won a series, so they would be playing at least okay. I'm glad we'll have guys back and rested. I hope the crowd is big and loud.

(ctd)

You can't get credit for posting the same thing twice, can you?

upprdeck
I would expect Avg crowd friday, better crowd sat, and empty on sunday if the usual plays out.

At some point in the last few years the ticket office changed from selling the playoff series separately, as an option for season-ticket holders, to including it in the season ticket packages. That should help with attendance.

i thought it was still a choice? but in looking at whats available perhaps it wasnt.



the money doesnt go to the school anyway, so not sure why the change was made other than making it easier on their end and less work to do this week.

The ECAC takes 100% of the ticket price??

upprdeck
i thought it was still a choice? but in looking at whats available perhaps it wasnt.



the money doesnt go to the school anyway, so not sure why the change was made other than making it easier on their end and less work to do this week.

It's been at least a couple of years since they made the change. And I know that the ECAC sets the price of the ticket, but are you sure all the revenue from the ticket sales goes to them? That wouldn't make a lot of sense, since there are costs associated with hosting the game.

Finally an additional reason the ticket office may choose to sell the playoffs with the season ticket packages is that in order to receive a refund for an unplayed third game, the ticket holder has to be proactive. Many people choose to allow Cornell to keep that money.

i was told the revenue goes to the league.. that doesnt mean the school doesnt get something to offset cost to host, or for travel by the schools, but it might be a set amount

Jim Hyla

Trotsky
By definition anybody we faced would have just won a series, so they would be playing at least okay. I'm glad we'll have guys back and rested. I hope the crowd is big and loud.

(ctd)

You can't get credit for posting the same thing twice, can you?

It's not the same. I fixed a typo.

upprdeck
i was told the revenue goes to the league.. that doesnt mean the school doesnt get something to offset cost to host, or for travel by the schools, but it might be a set amount

Fair enough.

So perhaps the reason to include the playoff tickets has to do with simplifying the sale process more than anything else, and, of course, the revenue from unreturned third-game tickets, as I imagine Cornell and not the ECAC would get to keep that.

If revenue from unreturned tickets for unplayed games actually goes to the ECAC and not Cornell I expect there are a lot of people who would be annoyed to find out they've been "donating" to the ECAC and not to Cornell.

im the past at least you had an unused ticket to turn in.. now you dont even have that to remind you to go get your money back

upprdeck
im the past at least you had an unused ticket to turn in.. now you dont even have that to remind you to go get your money back

Yes but I much prefer this years season ticket system. Much easier to have my "credit card" pass with me, than to remember grabbing my tickets before driving down.

its been a big hassle for me since i often have others use my tickets and have to locate someone a 2nd time to get my pass back. I know many who dont like it because they save stubs of games and this is now not possible anymore.

I put mine on a lanyard so they wouldnt get lost as easily, i have no room in my wallet for another card i only use every week or so.

upprdeck
its been a big hassle for me since i often have others use my tickets and have to locate someone a 2nd time to get my pass back. I know many who dont like it because they save stubs of games and this is now not possible anymore.

I put mine on a lanyard so they wouldnt get lost as easily, i have no room in my wallet for another card i only use every week or so.

The new system has made it far easier to share tickets if your hard cards are associated with an account that you can access. Just log into your account online on the ticketing website and generate e-ticket PDFs or text QR codes to the mobile devices of the folks you share tickets with. It has been a huge time saver as I'm usually distributing close to 20 tickets a game to various individuals. If you haven't logged into your account to try this you should. Now there is no more waiting around trying to meet up with someone to give them tickets and I keep the hard cards in the desk drawer, my own tickets are all on my phone.
I am in the camp of missing the stubs though.

Bahnstorm

upprdeck
its been a big hassle for me since i often have others use my tickets and have to locate someone a 2nd time to get my pass back. I know many who dont like it because they save stubs of games and this is now not possible anymore.

I put mine on a lanyard so they wouldnt get lost as easily, i have no room in my wallet for another card i only use every week or so.

The new system has made it far easier to share tickets if your hard cards are associated with an account that you can access. Just log into your account online on the ticketing website and generate e-ticket PDFs or text QR codes to the mobile devices of the folks you share tickets with. It has been a huge time saver as I'm usually distributing close to 20 tickets a game to various individuals. If you haven't logged into your account to try this you should. Now there is no more waiting around trying to meet up with someone to give them tickets and I keep the hard cards in the desk drawer, my own tickets are all on my phone.
I am in the camp of missing the stubs though.

Having saved stubs for god knows how many years, I can agree to a point. But, to me, the convenience is worth it.

i get some of the convenience. but often i dont have access to a printer that works and really dont like having to drag a cell phone around. I like tickets, it makes me feel like i am getting and going to something.. paper tickets an QR codes just dont feel the same.

upprdeck
i get some of the convenience. but often i dont have access to a printer that works and really dont like having to drag a cell phone around. I like tickets, it makes me feel like i am getting and going to something.. paper tickets an QR codes just dont feel the same.

If your primary complaint is what a hassle the card is when you're having other people use your tickets, why on earth does it matter whether you have a working printer or want to drag a cell phone around?

upprdeck
i get some of the convenience. but often i dont have access to a printer that works and really dont like having to drag a cell phone around. I like tickets, it makes me feel like i am getting and going to something.. paper tickets an QR codes just dont feel the same.

You can have the ticket office print your tickets for you. I know they will do a single game, and I expect if you wanted to you could get them to print the entire season. The tickets won't be the colorful tickets of yesterday, but rather plain, white, standard sporting event tickets, (so it won't help anyone who liked the old, colorful stubs) but you will have physical tickets.

our area is a bit behind the times. internet almost non existent, older population, so cell phones limited, someone has to print the ticket to give to people if thats the only way to get it done..

i'm not complaining other than i prefer tickets. i dont like the cards, i like knowing game time/date/team and being able to look at a ticket to see it.

i would like the option to get tickets, i would pay more for it. we also lost all the perks the tickets used to provide.

it is what it is.

PlayoffStatus.com has us 4th in likelihood of advancing to Placid:

     SF   F   1   $$  QF  SF   F   1
Qpc .89 .58 .35 1.00 .60 .32 .16 .08
Hvd .84 .39 .19  .63 .27 .12 .05 .02
Clk .73 .38 .17  .86 .39 .17 .07 .03
Cor .67 .36 .17  .76 .35 .15 .07 .03
Uni .33 .12 .06  .23 .09 .04 .01 .01
Yal .27 .09 .04  .04 .01 .01 --- ---
Drt .16 .05 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---
Brn .11 .04 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---

--- Noise

Trotsky
PlayoffStatus.com has us 4th in likelihood of advancing to Placid:

     SF   F   1   $$  QF  SF   F   1
Qpc .89 .58 .35 1.00 .60 .32 .16 .08
Hvd .84 .39 .19  .63 .27 .12 .05 .02
Clk .73 .38 .17  .86 .39 .17 .07 .03
Cor .67 .36 .17  .76 .35 .15 .07 .03
Uni .33 .12 .06  .23 .09 .04 .01 .01
Yal .27 .09 .04  .04 .01 .01 --- ---
Drt .16 .05 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---
Brn .11 .04 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---

--- Noise

As discussed at length last year, this model overstates a highly-ranked team's chances of beating a lower-ranked team. With that said, it's clear that Cornell drew a considerably harder opponent than the other top-4 ECAC teams.

BearLover

Trotsky
PlayoffStatus.com has us 4th in likelihood of advancing to Placid:

     SF   F   1   $$  QF  SF   F   1
Qpc .89 .58 .35 1.00 .60 .32 .16 .08
Hvd .84 .39 .19  .63 .27 .12 .05 .02
Clk .73 .38 .17  .86 .39 .17 .07 .03
Cor .67 .36 .17  .76 .35 .15 .07 .03
Uni .33 .12 .06  .23 .09 .04 .01 .01
Yal .27 .09 .04  .04 .01 .01 --- ---
Drt .16 .05 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---
Brn .11 .04 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---

--- Noise

As discussed at length last year, this model overstates a highly-ranked team's chances of beating a lower-ranked team. With that said, it's clear that Cornell drew a considerably harder opponent than the other top-4 ECAC teams.

67% chance to beat Union 2 of 3 doesn't sound wrong to me. That puts our odds of beating them in any one game, at home, at a little over 61%.

Trotsky
PlayoffStatus.com has us 4th in likelihood of advancing to Placid:

I'm telling ya, Cornell, ...

Dafatone

BearLover

Trotsky
PlayoffStatus.com has us 4th in likelihood of advancing to Placid:

     SF   F   1   $$  QF  SF   F   1
Qpc .89 .58 .35 1.00 .60 .32 .16 .08
Hvd .84 .39 .19  .63 .27 .12 .05 .02
Clk .73 .38 .17  .86 .39 .17 .07 .03
Cor .67 .36 .17  .76 .35 .15 .07 .03
Uni .33 .12 .06  .23 .09 .04 .01 .01
Yal .27 .09 .04  .04 .01 .01 --- ---
Drt .16 .05 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---
Brn .11 .04 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---

--- Noise

As discussed at length last year, this model overstates a highly-ranked team's chances of beating a lower-ranked team. With that said, it's clear that Cornell drew a considerably harder opponent than the other top-4 ECAC teams.

67% chance to beat Union 2 of 3 doesn't sound wrong to me. That puts our odds of beating them in any one game, at home, at a little over 61%.

I agree. It's the other top-four teams' odds that are off.

BearLover

Dafatone

BearLover

Trotsky
PlayoffStatus.com has us 4th in likelihood of advancing to Placid:

     SF   F   1   $$  QF  SF   F   1
Qpc .89 .58 .35 1.00 .60 .32 .16 .08
Hvd .84 .39 .19  .63 .27 .12 .05 .02
Clk .73 .38 .17  .86 .39 .17 .07 .03
Cor .67 .36 .17  .76 .35 .15 .07 .03
Uni .33 .12 .06  .23 .09 .04 .01 .01
Yal .27 .09 .04  .04 .01 .01 --- ---
Drt .16 .05 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---
Brn .11 .04 .01  .02 --- --- --- ---

--- Noise

As discussed at length last year, this model overstates a highly-ranked team's chances of beating a lower-ranked team. With that said, it's clear that Cornell drew a considerably harder opponent than the other top-4 ECAC teams.

67% chance to beat Union 2 of 3 doesn't sound wrong to me. That puts our odds of beating them in any one game, at home, at a little over 61%.

I agree. It's the other top-four teams' odds that are off.

I don't know if this is really that overstated for the QF in general. If QPac didn't have missing players I'd take them as a 10-1 favorite for taking 2 of 3 from Brown at home, and I don't think Clarkson or Harvard's QF odds are all that far off either. 15% isn't likely, but it's not a super shocking upset either, and I think Dartmouth beating Harvard 2 of 3 is pretty unlikely. Maybe Yale's a lot better than their record (or Clarkson a lot worse)?

Side note - in the last 9 years I only count 4 QF series that were won by the road team. Not at all rigorous, to be sure, but I think your prior for expecting QF upsets should be pretty low.

Now, if we look out to the NCAA projections, QPac's odds of making the Frozen Four look pretty ridiculous to me. I suspect the further out the projection goes through single-elimination territory the more the flaws in the model get exposed. My prior on an ECAC team advancing to the FF is also very low, and I'd absolutely bet against them at the model odds.

Not easy to find a visual bracket. Here's one.

The best of three QF games are scheduled for 7, 7 and 4 (Clarkson, 7, 7 and 7).

The semifinals in Lake Placid are 4 and 7:30. The top surviving seed plays the earlier game. (I believe it used to be top-seed choice and now it just is, because the top seed wants the extra 3 hours of rest, and a chance to see who they're playing Saturday.) The title game is 7:30 pm; no consolation.

It is my considered belief that you can just walk up and buy tickets. Were Clarkson (is possible) and St. Lawrence (not this year) at Lake Placid, along with Cornell, Friday gets closer to full. Saturday, not many of the losing-team fans stick around.

That is not a correct picture. It is not a fixed bracket tournament.

Tom Lento

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I don't know if this is really that overstated for the QF in general. If QPac didn't have missing players I'd take them as a 10-1 favorite for taking 2 of 3 from Brown at home, and I don't think Clarkson or Harvard's QF odds are all that far off either. 15% isn't likely, but it's not a super shocking upset either, and I think Dartmouth beating Harvard 2 of 3 is pretty unlikely. Maybe Yale's a lot better than their record (or Clarkson a lot worse)?

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I actually like Brown's chances. Shiplo and Priskie are out tonight, and Priskie is out tomorrow too. Both of them are seniors, with Priskie being perhaps the best defenseman in the league. Unfortunately, Q has a big roster, with 10 defensemen, so they won't be so short that players will necessarily wear out. But besides just the absence of these players, any different pairings,etc. might stymie team chemistry and give Brown an advantage.

Brown beat Q 4-1 on Feb. 4, and Q beat Brown 4-1 on Mar. 1. In the first game Q's only score was on a PP. In both games, SOG were lopsidedly in Q's favor.

From the "Game Notes" for tonight's game:

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The game will be broadcast on ESPN+ in the U.S. with Grady Whittenburg on play-by-play and Will LeBlond providing color commentary."
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Anyone know why Topher Scott isn't doing the color commentary?

andyw2100
Anyone know why Topher Scott isn't doing the color commentary?

I know if was mentioned during the season that the RS was his last broadcast, so it was planned anyway.

Swampy

Tom Lento

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I don't know if this is really that overstated for the QF in general. If QPac didn't have missing players I'd take them as a 10-1 favorite for taking 2 of 3 from Brown at home, and I don't think Clarkson or Harvard's QF odds are all that far off either. 15% isn't likely, but it's not a super shocking upset either, and I think Dartmouth beating Harvard 2 of 3 is pretty unlikely. Maybe Yale's a lot better than their record (or Clarkson a lot worse)?

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I actually like Brown's chances. Shiplo and Priskie are out tonight, and Priskie is out tomorrow too. Both of them are seniors, with Priskie being perhaps the best defenseman in the league. Unfortunately, Q has a big roster, with 10 defensemen, so they won't be so short that players will necessarily wear out. But besides just the absence of these players, any different pairings,etc. might stymie team chemistry and give Brown an advantage.

Brown beat Q 4-1 on Feb. 4, and Q beat Brown 4-1 on Mar. 1. In the first game Q's only score was on a PP. In both games, SOG were lopsidedly in Q's favor.

I think that series has upset potential as well. I wouldn't take QPac as a 10-1 favorite in the reality we occupy where QPac is missing key players for tonight and tomorrow.

Brown needs a win tonight to have a meaningful chance at the upset, though. Obviously it's mathematically possible for them to win two in a row the hard way, but it just seems far-fetched.

And Brown gets it in OT.

Trotsky

andyw2100
Anyone know why Topher Scott isn't doing the color commentary?

I know if was mentioned during the season that the RS was his last broadcast, so it was planned anyway.

Just watched the highlights from last night's game. (Game 2.) That certainly sounded like Topher doing the color commentary. It was, right?

andyw2100

Trotsky

andyw2100
Anyone know why Topher Scott isn't doing the color commentary?

I know if was mentioned during the season that the RS was his last broadcast, so it was planned anyway.

Just watched the highlights from last night's game. (Game 2.) That certainly sounded like Topher doing the color commentary. It was, right?

It was. I swear to god he said he was going to miss the playoffs. I was very glad to hear him! And he was good luck.

Not only that but he mentioned he has a gig at Lake Placid next weekend (without Grady) and that he was excited / freaked out about it. I think (objectively, of course) that he's a fantastic color man. He talks a lot about how they coach kids up, and he does interesting breakdowns of ice strategy and really picks up on errors. He's just got a really good hockey mind. I'm surprised he didn't go farther as a coach, but I guess he got tired of the job consuming everything else.

Trotsky

andyw2100

Trotsky

andyw2100
Anyone know why Topher Scott isn't doing the color commentary?

I know if was mentioned during the season that the RS was his last broadcast, so it was planned anyway.

Just watched the highlights from last night's game. (Game 2.) That certainly sounded like Topher doing the color commentary. It was, right?

It was. I swear to god he said he was going to miss the playoffs. I was very glad to hear him! And he was good luck.

Not only that but he mentioned he has a gig at Lake Placid next weekend (without Grady) and that he was excited / freaked out about it. I think (objectively, of course) that he's a fantastic color man. He talks a lot about how they coach kids up, and he does interesting breakdowns of ice strategy and really picks up on errors. He's just got a really good hockey mind. I'm surprised he didn't go farther as a coach, but I guess he got tired of the job consuming everything else.

I just noticed that he's been writing for The Athletic.

EDIT: Though it looks like he hasn't written anything since last year.

Occured to me last night reading the post-game of the Brown game: Priskie's suspension cost him both QF games. Bet Q would have liked having him in 2 close games -- particularly blowing a lead in the third in game 2.

Trotsky
Occured to me last night reading the post-game of the Brown game: Priskie's suspension cost him both QF games. Bet Q would have liked having him in 2 close games -- particularly blowing a lead in the third in game 2.

fortunately for them, they were the only team in the conference who could afford not to care

ugarte

Trotsky
Occured to me last night reading the post-game of the Brown game: Priskie's suspension cost him both QF games. Bet Q would have liked having him in 2 close games -- particularly blowing a lead in the third in game 2.

fortunately for them, they were the only team in the conference who could afford not to care

Only if they see the NC$$ as the be all and end all.

While the NC$$ is cute and all, for me the emotional value of the season is the ECAC tournament. The NC$$ is a fun but rather silly coda.

Trotsky

ugarte

Trotsky
Occured to me last night reading the post-game of the Brown game: Priskie's suspension cost him both QF games. Bet Q would have liked having him in 2 close games -- particularly blowing a lead in the third in game 2.

fortunately for them, they were the only team in the conference who could afford not to care

Only if they see the NC$$ as the be all and end all.

While the NC$$ is cute and all, for me the emotional value of the season is the ECAC tournament. The NC$$ is a fun but rather silly coda.

this is a low expectations tweet! but yes, the conference tournament is absolutely meaningful and i am sure they are not happy this morning.

ugarte

Trotsky

ugarte

Trotsky
Occured to me last night reading the post-game of the Brown game: Priskie's suspension cost him both QF games. Bet Q would have liked having him in 2 close games -- particularly blowing a lead in the third in game 2.

fortunately for them, they were the only team in the conference who could afford not to care

Only if they see the NC$$ as the be all and end all.

While the NC$$ is cute and all, for me the emotional value of the season is the ECAC tournament. The NC$$ is a fun but rather silly coda.

this is a low expectations tweet!

Bigger aint better, kid. It's just bigger.

Trotsky

ugarte

Trotsky

ugarte

Trotsky
Occured to me last night reading the post-game of the Brown game: Priskie's suspension cost him both QF games. Bet Q would have liked having him in 2 close games -- particularly blowing a lead in the third in game 2.

fortunately for them, they were the only team in the conference who could afford not to care

Only if they see the NC$$ as the be all and end all.

While the NC$$ is cute and all, for me the emotional value of the season is the ECAC tournament. The NC$$ is a fun but rather silly coda.

this is a low expectations tweet!

Bigger aint better, kid. It's just bigger.

this is insane

Yeah, pretty sure no one agrees with Trotsky here.

Anyway, today both the ECAC and the NCAA are on the line. We've been playing well. Let's just get it done.

BearLover
Yeah, pretty sure no one agrees with Trotsky here.

Anyway, today both the ECAC and the NCAA are on the line. We've been playing well. Let's just get it done.

Oh, I'm in agreement. I wouldn't go with "fun but rather silly coda." Maybe "elusive icing on the cake."

A national championship should be the goal every single year. The ECAC is not, and should not, be enough. Just because it has been almost 50 years doesn't change that. Toronto Maple Leafs fans will not be satisfied this year if they win only 15 playoff games.

It's not about "enoughness." Enough is they try hard and I get to enjoy the games.

I'm talking about what constitutes an emotional satisfying season, and for me that's tied up with the ECACs. the NC$$s are interesting, but they're a sort of alien experience: Super Estero. They're a good Outro, but they aren't part of the "season." For me, the season ends on Saturday night in Lake Placid. After that it's like the Easter eggs after the credits.

Basically: the ECACs are class. The NC$$ are crass.

Trotsky
It's not about "enoughness." Enough is they try hard and I get to enjoy the games.

I'm talking about what constitutes an emotional satisfying season, and for me that's tied up with the ECACs. the NC$$s are interesting, but they're a sort of alien experience: Super Estero. They're a good Outro, but they aren't part of the "season." For me, the season ends on Saturday night in Lake Placid. After that it's like the Easter eggs after the credits.

Basically: the ECACs are class. The NC$$ are crass.

I can understand this. I'd still rather win the NCAAs than the ECACs, but the NCAAs do feel like a post-credits experience.

I'd rather win a National Title than an ECAC title. For one thing, I've gotten to see 6 ECAC title teams.

I'm just saying it would be a very different experience than what I look forward to. The ECAC is my dream girl. The NC$$ is a one night coke binge with a philosophy PhD student in Prague.

Trotsky
The NC$$ is a one night coke binge with a philosophy PhD student in Prague.

So wild and amazing that you’re left dreaming about having another one for the rest of your life.

This analogy is spot on.

Scersk '97

Trotsky
The NC$$ is a one night coke binge with a philosophy PhD student in Prague.

So wild and amazing that you’re left dreaming about having another one for the rest of your life.

This analogy is spot on.

Obviously, neither of you earned a PhD degree in philosophy by studying in the country formerly known as Czechoslovakia. The novelty wears off.

Swampy

Scersk '97

Trotsky
The NC$$ is a one night coke binge with a philosophy PhD student in Prague.

So wild and amazing that you’re left dreaming about having another one for the rest of your life.

This analogy is spot on.

Obviously, neither of you earned a PhD degree in philosophy by studying in the country formerly known as Czechoslovakia. The novelty wears off.

My one night coke binge has never worn off, even after a second one.

No, winning can make you a lifetime convert, even if it never happens again.