Incoming Recruits

So that we can follow our recruits better, I suggest we make this thread a sticky, and update this first post whenever a new commit is announced. I derive my list of players from this site--please let me know if there is a better one.

Coming in 2020-21:
Forwards:
Jack O'Leary
Kyle Penney

Defensemen:
James Rayhill
Jack Lagerstrom

Coming in 2021-22:
Forwards:
Aidan Cobb
Dan McIntyre

Defensemen:
Donald Kempf
Michael Suda

Goaltenders:
Joe Howe

Heisenberg has been compiling for years: [docs.google.com]

Chris '03
Heisenberg has been compiling for years: [docs.google.com]

Thanks, that's probably a more reliable list of recruits, as it includes a commit not listed on the college hockey inc list. The point of this thread is to link to their stats, though. My understanding is that no page on the internet does this. Big Red Puckhead doesn't update in real time I believe.

I like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this.

We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.

Proud to announce my commitment to continue my education and play division 1 hockey at Cornell University. Thank you to everyone that has helped make this dream of mine come true! #BigRed pic.twitter.com/6zcVk4ytys

— Sam Malinski (@sammalinski) December 11, 2018

Sam Malinski on Elite Prospects.

Jack Malone (who according to Big Red Puckhead will be coming to Ithaca in 2020 not 2019 as listed in the first post of this thread) had the lone assist on the USA’s game winning goal in OT as the USA beat Canada West 3-2 last night to advance to the final of the World Junior A challenge against Russia this afternoon. Malone knocked down a Canada West pass in his defensive zone, and quickly sent a pass to a teammate who scored on the breakaway for the winner.

From my somewhat limited viewing, Malone plays a strong game all over the ice. He’s got nice size, he skates well, and is defensively responsible (which will please you know who). I don’t think he’s scored a goal in the tournament, but has played more of a 3rd line role and isn’t on the power play. But he does a nice job in the corners, is a heady passer, and has a good shot.

Today’s final will be streamed today live at 6 p.m. ET at this link. Russia beat the USA 4-3 in OT in their preliminary game.

The local newspaper had an article on Gunnery School hockey team, including this section on a Cornell recruit: (Badger is the coach)
Junior captain Jimmy Rayhill, who has already committed to Cornell University for the fall of 2020, anchors the defense. “Jimmy is a great skater and is a difference-maker because of his I.Q. and vision, which is off the charts,” said Badger. “He sees things very few do.”

Fresh off gold at the World Junior A challenge, Jack Malone had a hat trick and an assist in Youngstown's win last night

Jack Malone (@YtownPhantoms) turns on the ✈️✈️✈️ and buries the backhand! #WhosNext pic.twitter.com/kFecC0GV9W

— USHL (@USHL) January 12, 2019

Nice goal here by Jack Malone in USHL action last night

BearLover

Coming in 2021-22:
Forwards:
Defensemen:
Donald Kempf

Class of '25? We've signed a bar mitzvah boy.

Trotsky
I like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this.

We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.

He goes by "Hank"
[chicagomission.com]
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Bâby (one generation removed).

jkahn

Trotsky
I like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this.

We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.

He goes by "Hank"
[chicagomission.com]
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Bâby (one generation removed).

Great name. Begs for the nickname: Mein Kempf.

Swampy

jkahn

Trotsky
I like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this.

We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.

He goes by "Hank"
[chicagomission.com]
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Bâby (one generation removed).

Begs for the nickname: Mein Kempf.

No it doesn't.

BearLover

Swampy

jkahn

Trotsky
I like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this.

We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.

He goes by "Hank"
[chicagomission.com]
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Bâby (one generation removed).

Begs for the nickname: Mein Kempf.

No it doesn't.

You're right but what if he was going to Clarkson.

ugarte

BearLover

Swampy

jkahn

Trotsky
I like Bear's list. Thanks for doing it! I was not aware of the College Hockey Inc page before and relied on Heisenberg to produce this.

We all missed Kempf, so I'm glad Bear took the time to do this. Note that Kempf is our first recruit born after 9/11.

He goes by "Hank"
[chicagomission.com]
and Hank Kempf is a cousin of Stephen Bâby (one generation removed).

Begs for the nickname: Mein Kempf.

No it doesn't.

You're right but what if he was going to Clarkson.

Loser might apply.

New defensive recruit, Michael Suda, Jr. From the Buffalo area, plays at the Nichols School. He’s 16, so not sure when he’s due in Ithaca.

Proud and honored to announce my commitment to play D1 hockey at Cornell University! I would like to thank my family, friends, coaches, and everyone that has helped me along the way. #LGR pic.twitter.com/n2VsByFd46

— Michael Suda Jr (@michaelsuda7) February 7, 2019

He is class of 2020 born in july 2002 so that would make in 18 if he comes in 2020. 5'11" 170 right now.

He'll probably do a year in juniors, so my guess is fall 2021

Moar centers, plz.

(Not really. With Malone and Stienburg we'll have 5 this Fall.)

Ella Huntley (Buffalo Bisons 14U) commits to Cornell University for 2023-2024 @huntley_ella @CornellWHockey

— WHockey Commits (@WHockeyCommits) February 15, 2019

ursusminor

Ella Huntley (Buffalo Bisons 14U) commits to Cornell University for 2023-2024 @huntley_ella @CornellWHockey

— WHockey Commits (@WHockeyCommits) February 15, 2019

OK, that's just too young.

Jeff Hopkins '82

ursusminor

Ella Huntley (Buffalo Bisons 14U) commits to Cornell University for 2023-2024 @huntley_ella @CornellWHockey

— WHockey Commits (@WHockeyCommits) February 15, 2019

OK, that's just too young.

Apparently she turned 14 twelve days ago, so we were recruiting her at 13. Yikes. That's 7th grade.

I think the men's team had a similar early commit with Joey Kubachka, who committed when he was around 14. He is now playing for West Chester University of Pennsylvania in the ACHA.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82

ursusminor

Ella Huntley (Buffalo Bisons 14U) commits to Cornell University for 2023-2024 @huntley_ella @CornellWHockey

— WHockey Commits (@WHockeyCommits) February 15, 2019

OK, that's just too young.

Apparently she turned 14 twelve days ago, so we were recruiting her at 13. Yikes. That's 7th grade.

I think the men's team had a similar early commit with Joey Kubachka, who committed when he was around 14. He is now playing for West Chester University of Pennsylvania in the ACHA.

Which shows how imperfect early recruiting is. In fairness the girls tend to mature earlier, so perhaps a top-flight girl hockey player is a bit more of a “can’t miss” at that age.

can they even have recruiting contact at that age?

upprdeck
can they even have recruiting contact at that age?

I think as long as the recruit is making the initial contact? The whole NCAA recruiting thing is a ridiculous sham.

Weder

upprdeck
can they even have recruiting contact at that age?

The whole NCAA recruiting thing is a ridiculous sham.

+100

Since I posted this information for the 2018 recruits over the summer, here are the ratings for Cornell's 2019 and 2020 recruits from Neutral Zone. They reevaluate a few every once in a while.

2019
Berard 3.75
Dirven 4.00
Kabachka 3.50
Lagarstrom 3.75
Malinski 3.75
Malone 4.00
Mitchell 3.75
Muzyka 3.75
Nelson 3.50
O’Leary 4.00
Stienburg 3.75
B Tupker 3.50
Z Tupker 3.50

2020
Kempf 3.75
Penney 3.75
Rayhill 3.75
Suda 4.00

What the numbers mean [www.neutralzone.net] (I think that is a public document.)
I have been assuming that the ratings, but not the evaluations, are public since they usually include it on their tweets, Also I have not gotten any complaints when I post this for RPI's recruits. From past experience, they may have some recruits in the wrong year and some may no longer be Cornell recruits.

If it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.

ursusminor
If it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.

Thanks, Ralph! It is of great interest.

Truly great would be seeing the ratings from our past classes, to give us context. You know, in your copious free time.

Man, it seems like O'Leary has been a recruit for a decade. There must have been another one we lost.

Yes, Michael O'Leary who's at Notre Dame

Trotsky

ursusminor
If it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.

Thanks, Ralph! It is of great interest.

Truly great would be seeing the ratings from our past classes, to give us context. You know, in your copious free time.

Well, I am retired as you know, and it is a good break from writing a speech in German on the reaction in Germany to the Chernobyl disaster.

OK, the women,
2019
Breza 4.25
Daniel 4.25
Isaac 4.25
Kenyon 3.50
Zingas 4.00
Zweber 3.00

2020
Boucher 4.00
Chokelel 3.50
Delianedis 4.25
Messier 4.00
Rud 4.00
Ruggiero 3.75
Yu 3.75

2021
Dulac 3.25
Guilday 3.75
Huo 3.50
MacSween 3.75
Mende 4.00

2022
Adam 3.75
Chan 4.00
Geer 3.50
Regalado 3.25

If there is someone missing on either this or the men's list, they may have been evaluated and just not been linked to Cornell. If you give me their first and last name, I will check. OTOH, from my own experience, they sometimes find out about recruits committing before other sources. I can, of course, supply the given name if you want to Google anyone.

Past classes.

They only go back to 2016. I am sure that this doesn't agree with your freshmen through junior classes.

2018
Andreyev 4.00
Brakel 3.75
Bramwell 3.50
Leahy 4.00
McDonald 3.50
Motley 3.75
Regush 4.00
Song 3.25

2017
Barron 3.75
Betts 3.75
Cairns 3.75
Donaldson 3.75
Galajda 3.75
Green 4.00
Haiskanen 3.75
Locke 3.75
McGrath 3.25
Mullin 4.00

2016
Bauld 3.50
Hoffman 4.00
Kaldis 4.50
Malott 4.00
Murphy 3.50

ursusminor
Past classes.

They only go back to 2016. I am sure that this doesn't agree with your freshmen through junior classes.

2018
Andreyev 4.00
Brakel 3.75
Bramwell 3.50
Leahy 4.00
McDonald 3.50
Motley 3.75
Regush 4.00
Song 3.25

2017
Barron 3.75
Betts 3.75
Cairns 3.75
Donaldson 3.75
Galajda 3.75
Green 4.00
Haiskanen 3.75
Locke 3.75
McGrath 3.25
Mullin 4.00

2016
Bauld 3.50
Hoffman 4.00
Kaldis 4.50
Malott 4.00
Murphy 3.50

The ratings seem a bit off the mark for Barron, Donaldson and Galajda. Interesting that Kaldis had a significantly higher rating than anyone else during the cycle.

ursusminor
Since I posted this information for the 2018 recruits over the summer, here are the ratings for Cornell's 2019 and 2020 recruits from Neutral Zone. They reevaluate a few every once in a while.

2019
Berard 3.75
Dirven 4.00
Kabachka 3.50
Lagarstrom 3.75
Malinski 3.75
Malone 4.00
Mitchell 3.75
Muzyka 3.75
Nelson 3.50
O’Leary 4.00
Stienburg 3.75
B Tupker 3.50
Z Tupker 3.50

2020
Kempf 3.75
Penney 3.75
Rayhill 3.75
Suda 4.00

What the numbers mean [www.neutralzone.net] (I think that is a public document.)
I have been assuming that the ratings, but not the evaluations, are public since they usually include it on their tweets, Also I have not gotten any complaints when I post this for RPI's recruits. From past experience, they may have some recruits in the wrong year and some may no longer be Cornell recruits.

If it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.

Thank you for posting. Who are "Kabachka" and "Nelson"? Looks like some of the other names are spelled wrong. Makes me wonder about these ratings...

BearLover

ursusminor
Since I posted this information for the 2018 recruits over the summer, here are the ratings for Cornell's 2019 and 2020 recruits from Neutral Zone. They reevaluate a few every once in a while.

2019
Berard 3.75
Dirven 4.00
Kabachka 3.50
Lagarstrom 3.75
Malinski 3.75
Malone 4.00
Mitchell 3.75
Muzyka 3.75
Nelson 3.50
O’Leary 4.00
Stienburg 3.75
B Tupker 3.50
Z Tupker 3.50

2020
Kempf 3.75
Penney 3.75
Rayhill 3.75
Suda 4.00

What the numbers mean [www.neutralzone.net] (I think that is a public document.)
I have been assuming that the ratings, but not the evaluations, are public since they usually include it on their tweets, Also I have not gotten any complaints when I post this for RPI's recruits. From past experience, they may have some recruits in the wrong year and some may no longer be Cornell recruits.

If it is of interest, I will also post the same information for Cornell's women recruits. They range from 3.00 to 4.25. RPI's women recruits also cover a wider range than the men.

Thank you for posting. Who are "Kabachka" and "Nelson"? Looks like some of the other names are spelled wrong. Makes me wonder about these ratings...

Should be Joey Kubachka, my misspelling. He plays now for an ACHA school. Nelson is Joshua Nelson who plays for the London Knights. I assume that they were once Cornell recruits, but I certainly don't know. As I wrote "From past experience, they may have some recruits in the wrong year and some may no longer be Cornell recruits." They make a lot of errors. I noticed that they conflated reports for 5'6" Clarkson forward recruit Alexis Giguere with a 6'2" defenseman of the same name. I wrote a couple of times about similar errors for RPI recruits, but I don't follow other schools close enough for anything else.

The ratings are not perfect as was pointed out in the previous post. I find them and the evaluations, which I won't post, interesting, but certainly not the end-all. They gave a 3.75 to the RPI women's 3rd string goalie who has not played at all in two years. I don't expect to see her next season either when she will be the only returnee.

I don’t remember him but elite prospects reports the Nelson ex-commitment as well:


[www.eliteprospects.com]

ursusminor
The ratings are not perfect as was pointed out in the previous post. I find them and the evaluations, which I won't post, interesting, but certainly not the end-all.

We understand the spirit in which they are intended, and I greatly appreciate you copying them out for us. I found them fascinating.

Corey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.

The only other name which I think that I copied incorrectly is Lagerstrom. The spelling of Stienburg agrees with USHL page, as opposed to the first post on this page.

The ratings appear to be correct on each of the three lists which I posted.

I didn’t post the list of current women’s players. They only go back to 2017.

2018
Burke 4.25
Frechette 4.00
McKenzie 4.00
Pietrowski 4.00
Song 4.00

2017
Browning 3.75
Facchinato 4.00
Frechette 4.00
Mills 4.00
Nealey 4.00
Phelps 4.00
Slobodzian 4.00

BTW, they don’t yet have Ella Huntley who committed a few days ago as a Cornell recruit. Believe it or not, she is only rated at 3.00. I assume that will improve before she shows up in Ithaca. I can’t believe that any school would recruit a player who isn’t considerably above average that far in advance. Interestingly, the RPI men received a verbal this week for a player born in 2003 who was rated at 3.00. It is now at 3.25.

The list of NZ’s scouts are here for the men and here for the women.

In addition to Huntley, the following Cornell women's recruits are mentioned here but not linked to Cornell by NZ:

Van Gelder 3.75
Thibodeau, in data base, but not rated

Trotsky
Corey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.

Do you suppose this is where he wound up?

Swampy

Trotsky
Corey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.

Do you suppose this is where he wound up?

Anything is possible, but I wouldn't expect someone from Long Island to end up coaching kids in Edmonton. Could he still be at Cornell but not playing hockey? He still has a twitter account with Cornell on it. I assume that, unlike RPI, there is no online student directory.

ursusminor

Swampy

Trotsky
Corey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.

Do you suppose this is where he wound up?

Anything is possible, but I wouldn't expect someone from Long Island to end up coaching kids in Edmonton. Could he still be at Cornell but not playing hockey? He still has a twitter account with Cornell on it. I assume that, unlike RPI, there is no online student directory.

There is a directory and per the directory he's still a Cornell student.

jkahn

ursusminor

Swampy

Trotsky
Corey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.

Do you suppose this is where he wound up?

Anything is possible, but I wouldn't expect someone from Long Island to end up coaching kids in Edmonton. Could he still be at Cornell but not playing hockey? He still has a twitter account with Cornell on it. I assume that, unlike RPI, there is no online student directory.

There is a directory and per the directory he's still a Cornell student.

I wonder if he’s in hockey shape?

scoop85

jkahn

ursusminor

Swampy

Trotsky
Corey Hoffman played 2 games his freshman year and disappeared. His 4.00 suggests we missed out for whatever reason. I see no listing of him on any current roster at any level.

Do you suppose this is where he wound up?

Anything is possible, but I wouldn't expect someone from Long Island to end up coaching kids in Edmonton. Could he still be at Cornell but not playing hockey? He still has a twitter account with Cornell on it. I assume that, unlike RPI, there is no online student directory.

There is a directory and per the directory he's still a Cornell student.

I wonder if he’s in hockey shape?

I think at this point the issue is if he's in shape that makes him as effective as some of the players who either are playing injured or otherwise are the least effective on the team.

Does the school need to get the league to "clear" a student to play, or could we literally just have some student lace them up (with whatever consequences later on if he was deemed ineligible)? Would the ref allow a team to skate a player not listed on the roster? i.e., does "roster" have consequential meaning within the rules of the league?

Trotsky
Does the school need to get the league to "clear" a student to play, or could we literally just have some student lace them up (with whatever consequences later on if he was deemed ineligible)? Would the ref allow a team to skate a player not listed on the roster? i.e., does "roster" have consequential meaning within the rules of the league?

I would have to imagine a student would have to be on the official NCAA roster to be eligible for a game. Think of the legal implications of a random student was hurt or killed on the ice during an NCAA game. That said, I think it’s up to the school to ensure a player meets the NCAA’s requirements for eligibility. That’s why you sometimes hear much later on of NCAA sanctions for an ineligible player. I assume if the NCAA cleared a player as eligible they couldn’t later turn around and impose sanctions (unless someone provided false info?)

CU2007
I assume if the NCAA cleared a player as eligible they couldn’t later turn around and impose sanctions (unless someone provided false info?)

Maine on line one. They say they'll hold.

Several years ago, someone commented here that he did not feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.

Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.

ursusminor
Several years ago, someone commented here that he did feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.

Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.

Wrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.

Jim Hyla
Wrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.

Sad, but true....

Jim Hyla

ursusminor
Several years ago, someone commented here that he did feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.

Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.

Wrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.

True, but I wonder how many junior teams actually make money.

BTW, I edited my previous post because I left out the important word "not" in the first sentence.

ursusminor

Jim Hyla

ursusminor
Several years ago, someone commented here that he did feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.

Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.

Wrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.

True, but I wonder how many junior teams actually make money.

BTW, I edited my previous post because I left out the important word "not" in the first sentence.

So you're taking your guidance from the president?

Jim Hyla

ursusminor

Jim Hyla

ursusminor
Several years ago, someone commented here that he did feel it was right for a junior aged player to be traded from one team to another.

Yesterday two future RPI players in the USHL were involved in trades. One of the other players involved in one of those trades, Jaden Shields, will be playing for his fourth USHL team this season (Chicago, Omaha, Sioux Falls, and now Lincoln). The USHL does require a player 18 or under to approve of a trade, but this just seems wrong to me.

Wrong yes, but it's just a business and like most now a days, the employees don't matter as much as the bottom line.

True, but I wonder how many junior teams actually make money.

BTW, I edited my previous post because I left out the important word "not" in the first sentence.

So you're taking your guidance from the president?

I avoid Shirley Jackson as much as possible.

Ben Berard, who just returned after missing 4 months due to an injury, scored for Powell River in their playoff game last night. Berard has a great shot and should step right into the lineup next year as a productive forward.

Apparently Berard suffered a potential career-ending back injury in December. Glad he’s back on the ice, and hopefully the injury won’t recur.

scoop85
Apparently Berard suffered a potential career-ending back injury in December.(October) Glad he’s back on the ice, and hopefully the injury won’t recur.

Jim Hyla

scoop85
Apparently Berard suffered a potential career-ending back injury in December.(October) Glad he’s back on the ice, and hopefully the injury won’t recur.

Yeah, I read it as October but for some reason typed December. He missed virtually the entire regular season.

Any of them also play box lacrosse? Faceoff experience?

Posting here for lack of a better place since these clubs are a route to the college level. The Chicago Tribune reports on two lawsuits in Illinois alleging that Amateur Hockey Association of Illinois (AHAI), the local affiliate of USA Hockey, is refusing to grant membership to new Tier 1 and Tier 2 clubs so that they can artificially keep keep charges to players higher than necessary. Each of the current clubs in with AHAI is said to have at least one employee being paid over $100,000.

Piper Grober (Toronto Leaside Wildcats BAA) commits to Cornell University for 2023-2024 @pipergrober6 @TorontoLeaside @LowerLakesFHL @CornellWHockey

— WHockey Commits (@WHockeyCommits) April 18, 2019

Georgia Schiff (Vermont Dynamo - Boys AAA) commits to Cornell University for 2022-2023 @CornellWHockey

— WHockey Commits (@WHockeyCommits) April 12, 2019

ursusminor

Piper Grober (Toronto Leaside Wildcats BAA) commits to Cornell University for 2023-2024 @pipergrober6 @TorontoLeaside @LowerLakesFHL @CornellWHockey

— WHockey Commits (@WHockeyCommits) April 18, 2019

Georgia Schiff (Vermont Dynamo - Boys AAA) commits to Cornell University for 2022-2023 @CornellWHockey

— WHockey Commits (@WHockeyCommits) April 12, 2019

2023-2024? Good lord.

As if on cue, NC$$ moves to reform college hockey recruiting and stop bullshit like this with the men. Hopefully we'll see something similar on the women's side (why would there be a difference?).

Rule changes approved by the NCAA’s Division I Council today will significantly alter the recruiting timeline for Division I men’s hockey prospects with the goal of slowing down and improving the recruiting experience.

The changes restructure the timing of permissible recruiting activities, creating two starting points for various recruiting activities. The most impactful changes are:

Eliminating all recruiting conversations (whether initiated by the coach or the prospect) prior to Jan. 1 of a prospect’s sophomore (grade 10) year.
Establishing Aug. 1 prior to a prospect’s junior (grade 11) year as the first date when NCAA coaches can make a verbal offer.

Trotsky
As if on cue, NC$$ moves to reform college hockey recruiting and stop bullshit like this with the men. Hopefully we'll see something similar on the women's side (why would there be a difference?).

Trotsky- you didn't read enough of that article which implies no changes being looked at for the women

The rule changes for men’s hockey recruiting vary slightly from another set of changes approved for most other NCAA sports, including women’s hockey.

...

The men’s hockey rules changes are distinct from other sports to help account for other opportunities in hockey that prospective student-athletes may be presented with at a young age.

Sounds like something about Juniors is the issue for the men, while that isn't an issue for the women.

Updated the list to account for Cobb's recent commitment and EliteProspects correcting the spelling of Stienburg's name. All good things must come to an end, and soon the coaching staff will have to start lining up replacements for the excellent Class of 2021 (Barron, Galajda, Donaldson, Mullin, Locke, Green, Betts, Haiskanen, Cairns, McGrath).

BearLover
Updated the list to account for Cobb's recent commitment and EliteProspects correcting the spelling of Stienburg's name. All good things must come to an end, and soon the coaching staff will have to start lining up replacements for the excellent Class of 2021 (Barron, Galajda, Donaldson, Mullin, Locke, Green, Betts, Haiskanen, Cairns, McGrath).

Yes, it's June 29th. The summer's almost history.

marty

BearLover
Updated the list to account for Cobb's recent commitment and EliteProspects correcting the spelling of Stienburg's name. All good things must come to an end, and soon the coaching staff will have to start lining up replacements for the excellent Class of 2021 (Barron, Galajda, Donaldson, Mullin, Locke, Green, Betts, Haiskanen, Cairns, McGrath).

Yes, it's June 29th. The summer's almost history.

Recruiting happens years before the players matriculate, and much of it during the offseason.

The official announcement for the class of 2023.

ACM
The official announcement for the class of 2023.

Per Brandon Thomas, there will be a Cornell player wearing #13 for the first time since before we had a national title.

Also the fourth set of twins in the 25-year head coaching tenure of Mike Schafer ... and Jack Malone will become the first @CornellMHockey player to wear 13 since 1966. [t.co]

— Brandon Thomas (@BT_unassisted) July 9, 2019

RichH

ACM
The official announcement for the class of 2023.

Per Brandon Thomas, there will be a Cornell player wearing #13 for the first time since before we had a national title.

Also the fourth set of twins in the 25-year head coaching tenure of Mike Schafer ... and Jack Malone will become the first @CornellMHockey player to wear 13 since 1966. [t.co]

— Brandon Thomas (@BT_unassisted) July 9, 2019

Used to be that only Russians would wear #13. Now it seems everyone does.

ACM
The official announcement for the class of 2023.

Certainly a balanced class, with lots of guys who look like they can contribute right away. Given what we have coming back, competition for playing time will be fierce (as it should be).

Interesting that Ben Tupker is listed as 6'3" while his twin brother Zach is only 6'1"

RichH

ACM
The official announcement for the class of 2023.

Per Brandon Thomas, there will be a Cornell player wearing #13 for the first time since before we had a national title.

Also the fourth set of twins in the 25-year head coaching tenure of Mike Schafer ... and Jack Malone will become the first @CornellMHockey player to wear 13 since 1966. [t.co]

— Brandon Thomas (@BT_unassisted) July 9, 2019

My favorite number so he's already my favorite player!

ACM
The official announcement for the class of 2023.

Is 29 our largest roster?

Did the '67 roster even have 20? (Edit: 20 played in at least 1 game.)

BearLover

marty

BearLover
Updated the list to account for Cobb's recent commitment and EliteProspects correcting the spelling of Stienburg's name. All good things must come to an end, and soon the coaching staff will have to start lining up replacements for the excellent Class of 2021 (Barron, Galajda, Donaldson, Mullin, Locke, Green, Betts, Haiskanen, Cairns, McGrath).

Yes, it's June 29th. The summer's almost history.

Recruiting happens years before the players matriculate, and much of it during the offseason.

Yeah, and honestly if they're starting now it's probably too late.

Happily, I feel like this year's freshman class (minus the goaltending) is a big part of that plan. It's a big group with lots of quality junior leagues represented, and the one guy who didn't play much in juniors was a 3rd round draft pick out of what appears to be a strong prep school league. There were only 3 freshmen who saw regular ice time last year, so 2021-22 could get ugly if a lot of the newcomers don't pan out.

Tom Lento
There were only 3 freshmen who saw regular ice time last year, so 2021-22 could get ugly if a lot of the newcomers don't pan out.

That's a little misleading. Of the 7 players after Brakel left, 1 was the obvious "goalie who raises the median GPA" so that leaves us with 6. Of those 6 we had Regush as a star, Leahy and Motley as solid contributors, and Andreev as one of the best couple D on the team until his injury. That's 4 who should be regulars this year. Then there's Song who was injured all year. He may have been Charles Wang's pity draft pick or he may be something; we'll find out. Bramwell wasn't ready yet but there have been plenty of guys who didn't do much as frosh but later came into their own (Nuttle, Rauter, Weidner).

This incoming class looks very solid, with most of the guys looking like they fit the profile of guys like Malott, Green, or Barron. They have size and Mike seems to continue to be serious about bringing in goals and skating chops. I see this group as deep and able to withstand the injuries that seem to be increasing around the league. We pretty much know that at least one important F and one D will be out at any given time and this gives us cover.

As nice as it is to discuss who’s arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away?

scoop85
As nice as it is to discuss who’s arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away?

Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.

Meanwhile, just today I was thinking about this one who got away. Those are some gaudy numbers.

Their loss. Fuck em.

Trotsky

1 was the obvious "goalie who raises the median GPA'...

I heard a couple weeks ago there's quite a few of those on the lacrosse team, too (not all goalies obviously).

KenP
Interesting that Ben Tupker is listed as 6'3" while his twin brother Zach is only 6'1"

Are they Fraternal twins (vs. identical twins)? [www.healthychildren.org]

ugarte

scoop85
As nice as it is to discuss who’s arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away?

Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.

Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.

I wouldn't say he counts. Judging by the eLF thread he was a commit for 11 days. That's only 16 credit hours of A's at Harvard.

I'm trying to recall our freshman who elected to go back to the juniors after just a few weeks here because he was emotionally overwhelmed. I think he was Quebecois. That wasn't Limoges was it? (Edit: no, he was from... fucking Winchester? VA rednecks and antique furniture stores Winchester? Jesus...)

Trotsky

ugarte

scoop85
As nice as it is to discuss who’s arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away?

Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.

Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.

Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.

wasn't it Hudon or something like that? (Red Wings pick I think)

Philippe Hudon. Bad OCD

Trotsky

Tom Lento
There were only 3 freshmen who saw regular ice time last year, so 2021-22 could get ugly if a lot of the newcomers don't pan out.

That's a little misleading. Of the 7 players after Brakel left, 1 was the obvious "goalie who raises the median GPA" so that leaves us with 6. Of those 6 we had Regush as a star, Leahy and Motley as solid contributors, and Andreev as one of the best couple D on the team until his injury. That's 4 who should be regulars this year. Then there's Song who was injured all year. He may have been Charles Wang's pity draft pick or he may be something; we'll find out. Bramwell wasn't ready yet but there have been plenty of guys who didn't do much as frosh but later came into their own (Nuttle, Rauter, Weidner).

This incoming class looks very solid, with most of the guys looking like they fit the profile of guys like Malott, Green, or Barron. They have size and Mike seems to continue to be serious about bringing in goals and skating chops. I see this group as deep and able to withstand the injuries that seem to be increasing around the league. We pretty much know that at least one important F and one D will be out at any given time and this gives us cover.

Oh, weird, I totally missed Motley when looking at the roster. Should've been 4 in my original post, which is a little better. If Song or Bramwell turn out to be strong contributors later in their careers there's more of a margin for error with the incoming class and better guarantees of depth in future years, but that's kind of my point - this incoming class is pretty important.

About the incoming group, I agree they look solid. Most of the USHL/BCHL recruits seem strong by the numbers, the one prep school player was a 3rd round pick, and the 3 from the second-tier junior leagues put up the kind of scoring stats you want to see from a college prospect in those leagues. You never know how things will go but there's good cause for optimism.

ugarte

Trotsky

ugarte

scoop85
As nice as it is to discuss who’s arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away?

Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.

Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.

Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.

Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it’s a sign of aging that’s a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.

scoop85

ugarte

Trotsky

ugarte

scoop85
As nice as it is to discuss who’s arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away?

Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.

Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.

Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.

Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it’s a sign of aging that’s a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.

And still missing it. So apparently we can pinpoint the exact moment I lost it.

Trotsky

scoop85

ugarte

Trotsky

ugarte

scoop85
As nice as it is to discuss who’s arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away?

Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.

Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.

Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.

Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it’s a sign of aging that’s a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.

And still missing it. So apparently we can pinpoint the exact moment I lost it.

You appear to have missed the sarcasm in Charles’ comment.

scoop85

Trotsky

scoop85

ugarte

Trotsky

ugarte

scoop85
As nice as it is to discuss who’s arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away?

Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.

Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.

Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.

Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it’s a sign of aging that’s a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.

And still missing it. So apparently we can pinpoint the exact moment I lost it.

You appear to have missed the sarcasm in Charles’ comment.

And who the fuck is CHARLES?!

(OK, OK, I get it. My only defense is I expect better from a pro.)

Trotsky

scoop85

Trotsky

scoop85

ugarte

Trotsky

ugarte

scoop85
As nice as it is to discuss who’s arriving on campus, do folks remember this one who got away?

Wow. He never got a degree at all. Crazy decision in this economy.

Career NHLer. Not really thinking that's a problem.

Greg. This is the oldest you have ever been.

Yeah, I was surprised he missed that too. If it’s a sign of aging that’s a problem for me, since Greg and I are the same age.

And still missing it. So apparently we can pinpoint the exact moment I lost it.

You appear to have missed the sarcasm in Charles’ comment.

And who the fuck is CHARLES?!

(OK, OK, I get it. My only defense is I expect better from a pro.)

The amount of time it took you to pick up on it is the proof that it was good, not that it was bad.

Rita

KenP
Interesting that Ben Tupker is listed as 6'3" while his twin brother Zach is only 6'1"

Are they Fraternal twins (vs. identical twins)? [www.healthychildren.org]

Yes, identical twins according to the press release.

ugarte
The amount of time it took you to pick up on it is the proof that it was good, not that it was bad.

No.

Bear with me here.

It did occur to me that my sarcasm meter was broken (though only after you pointed out my dotage).

At that point I saw that it was you and not one of our other posters. I thought, "OK... but that's a joke I could make. He thinks of jokes I can't. I've seen him do it. There has to be something else." So I looked for something better, didn't find it, and thought, "in fact it's so good I still don't see it," thus complimenting you further by assuming I was missing it (note: this is something I do not do with other people).

So the price of you being complimented twice here at the highest level is this one joke doesn't get high marks. It wasn't dumb or bad, but it was something I'd have expected from somebody more plodding, like, say, me. It was a first rate second rate joke, as are all of mine. I expect second rate first rate jokes from you and first rate first rate jokes from people like Carlin and Pryor.

This has been another episode of Belaboring the Obvious.

Trotsky

ACM
The official announcement for the class of 2023.

Is 29 our largest roster?

Did the '67 roster even have 20? (Edit: 20 played in at least 1 game.)

At the alumni dinner in New Haven last season, Schafer was asked what he could do about all the injuries. His answer was something like, "Bring in a big recruiting class for next fall." After the 2018-2019 season, this seems to be his new religion.

Swampy

Trotsky

ACM
The official announcement for the class of 2023.

Is 29 our largest roster?

Did the '67 roster even have 20? (Edit: 20 played in at least 1 game.)

At the alumni dinner in New Haven last season, Schafer was asked what he could do about all the injuries. His answer was something like, "Bring in a big recruiting class for next fall." After the 2018-2019 season, this seems to be his new religion.

The extra skater helps. I wonder if we'll ever reach a situation where we use all 19 skaters regularly, whether we'll have a PK specialist, a guy we use late in games if we want to shift uptempo (or down), maybe even a FOGO.

Trotsky

Swampy

Trotsky

ACM
The official announcement for the class of 2023.

Is 29 our largest roster?

Did the '67 roster even have 20? (Edit: 20 played in at least 1 game.)

At the alumni dinner in New Haven last season, Schafer was asked what he could do about all the injuries. His answer was something like, "Bring in a big recruiting class for next fall." After the 2018-2019 season, this seems to be his new religion.

The extra skater helps. I wonder if we'll ever reach a situation where we use all 19 skaters regularly, whether we'll have a PK specialist, a guy we use late in games if we want to shift uptempo (or down), maybe even a FOGO.

Praying to every deity out there that hockey never goes the FOGO route.

Jeff Hopkins '82
Praying to every deity out there that hockey never goes the FOGO route.

I was pretty much joking. Possession off the face off means 50x more in lax than in hockey.

Trotsky

ugarte
The amount of time it took you to pick up on it is the proof that it was good, not that it was bad.

No.

Bear with me here.

It did occur to me that my sarcasm meter was broken (though only after you pointed out my dotage).

At that point I saw that it was you and not one of our other posters. I thought, "OK... but that's a joke I could make. He thinks of jokes I can't. I've seen him do it. There has to be something else." So I looked for something better, didn't find it, and thought, "in fact it's so good I still don't see it," thus complimenting you further by assuming I was missing it (note: this is something I do not do with other people).

So the price of you being complimented twice here at the highest level is this one joke doesn't get high marks. It wasn't dumb or bad, but it was something I'd have expected from somebody more plodding, like, say, me. It was a first rate second rate joke, as are all of mine. I expect second rate first rate jokes from you and first rate first rate jokes from people like Carlin and Pryor.

This has been another episode of Belaboring the Obvious.

The joke itself was a throwaway but you're discounting the knock-on effects of everything you've posted since.

I noticed that Connor Murphy is not listed on the 2019-20 roster.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82
Praying to every deity out there that hockey never goes the FOGO route.

I was pretty much joking. Possession off the face off means 50x more in lax than in hockey.

So was I. Shoulda used a smiley.