Radio

Who is doing color with Jason at Dartmouth? Keeps saying “we”. Drives me nuts.

Tim Vanini

Cop at Lynah
Tim Vanini

Tim can say “we” or anything else he wishes. Just look up his stats while at Cornell.

I was there during the Nieuwendyk years so Tim Vanini’s stats don’t particularly impress and aren’t particularly relevant. In any event, I just prefer a less obvious homer for listening. Jason’s a bit of a homer and that’s to be expected from any home town announcer but “we” is a bit much. Phil Rizzuto didn’t even say “we” after 55 years with the Yankees. Small point but I hadn’t noticed before tonight but I dont listen to a ton of games.

arugula
I was there during the Nieuwendyk years so Tim Vanini’s stats don’t particularly impress and aren’t particularly relevant. In any event, I just prefer a less obvious homer for listening. Jason’s a bit of a homer and that’s to be expected from any home town announcer but “we” is a bit much. Phil Rizzuto didn’t even say “we” after 55 years with the Yankees. Small point but I hadn’t noticed before tonight but I dont listen to a ton of games.

He doesn't usually do games. This might have been his first this season.

a radio guy saying WE is different than a a former player saying WE..

upprdeck
a radio guy saying WE is different than a a former player saying WE..

Granted. But Arugula's point about Phil Rizzuto addresses the former-player case. IMHO, the question is which is more classy?

Last night his role was to be a radio guy. Using we immediately undermines your credibility analyzing the game. Listening on radio puts you in complete reliance on the announcers. If you can’t trust the descriptions why bother listening? I don’t expect complete objectivity but at least a good faith attempt. If they can’t do that, I’d rather hear a student broadcast, because such transparent bias (setting aside his dubious competence) is amateur ish, but Cornell never has that. If not students, just as soon hear Jason work solo as he’s a better analyst than his sidekicks anyway

arugula
Last night his role was to be a radio guy. Using we immediately undermines your credibility analyzing the game. Listening on radio puts you in complete reliance on the announcers. If you can’t trust the descriptions why bother listening? I don’t expect complete objectivity but at least a good faith attempt. If they can’t do that, I’d rather hear a student broadcast, because such transparent bias (setting aside his dubious competence) is amateur ish, but Cornell never has that. If not students, just as soon hear Jason work solo as he’s a better analyst than his sidekicks anyway

In general I agree about homerism, but I think you're making somewhat too much of this. And I suspect Tim is "competent" on the subject of hockey.

arugula
Last night his role was to be a radio guy. Using we immediately undermines your credibility analyzing the game. Listening on radio puts you in complete reliance on the announcers. If you can’t trust the descriptions why bother listening? I don’t expect complete objectivity but at least a good faith attempt. If they can’t do that, I’d rather hear a student broadcast, because such transparent bias (setting aside his dubious competence) is amateur ish, but Cornell never has that. If not students, just as soon hear Jason work solo as he’s a better analyst than his sidekicks anyway

I appreciate what you are saying in general, but in this instance everything is fine.

There is an objectivity spectrum of voices from most (0) to least (5):

0. League officials
1. Media professionals
2. Guests (including university suits and gliterati)
3. Coaches
4. Players
5. Guy at the bar who still wants to fight Matt Nickerson

Vanini is Type 2. Jason's regular (splendid) color guy (I've been hearing him for 20 years but I still only know his as "Counselor" observes the Type 1 aesthetic.

getting bent out of shape about "we" is a psychological disorder

ugarte
getting bent out of shape about "we" is a psychological disorder

We knew you would say that.

since when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

the brown broadcast is still one of the funniest things i've ever heard.

i liked the dartmouth crew a lot. really solid call.

upprdeck
since when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.

Trotsky

upprdeck
since when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.

Yeah, I was recently listening to an NFL game on Sirius and the color guy (a former player I assume) kept using “we” and consistently shouted over the PBP guy during the play. Not a fan of that type of thing. Announcers can certainly pull for “their” team without being embarrassing about it.

scoop85

Trotsky

upprdeck
since when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.

Yeah, I was recently listening to an NFL game on Sirius and the color guy (a former player I assume) kept using “we” and consistently shouted over the PBP guy during the play. Not a fan of that type of thing. Announcers can certainly pull for “their” team without being embarrassing about it.

Exactly

Trotsky

upprdeck
since when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.

Oui, oui, mais ici, non.

ugarte
getting bent out of shape about "we" is a psychological disorder

Don’t think I was bent out of shape but I think it’s more of a mental disorder. Psychological is too fancy. But seriously, I thought it was a fair comment about something that was undermining an otherwise good broadcast. In any event, setting aside the “we” business, I don’t think Hockey Night in Canada will be calling Tim anytime soon. As someone said above, I’m sure he knows plenty of hockey but knowing and explaining clearly and quickly on the radio are different animals.

marty

Trotsky

upprdeck
since when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.

Oui, oui, mais ici, non.

Beeeej

ugarte
getting bent out of shape about "we" is a psychological disorder

We knew you would say that.

Multiple voices in your head?

abmarks

Beeeej

ugarte
getting bent out of shape about "we" is a psychological disorder

We knew you would say that.

Multiple voices in your head?

No, thanks.

On a side note, I thought both the Harvard and Dartmouth announcers were pretty decent this weekend. Much more praise for Cornell's talent and system then I would have expected.

Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

But we shouldn't forget the duo of Roy Ives and Tom Joseph (a casual friend of mine, a class behind me at IHS, who died a few years ago), who were quite the opposite but great in their own way. I can't remember when they stopped doing the broadcasts--it seems like only yesterday--but maybe before Greg's time. Then there was Sam Woodside in the beginning, who couldn't be said to be exactly neutral.

I understand about homer announcers, especially having listened to a lot of them in baseball following my team in the years before satellite (the Cardinals version of Harry Caray was actually kind of fun, before he got old with the Cubs). But I thought Vanini was fine and can't imagine even Harvard or Dartmouth listeners, if there had been any, would have been bothered.

Chuck Henderson

Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

But we shouldn't forget the duo of Roy Ives and Tom Joseph (a casual friend of mine, a class behind me at IHS, who died a few years ago), who were quite the opposite but great in their own way. I can't remember when they stopped doing the broadcasts--it seems like only yesterday--but maybe before Greg's time.

Grady is our first announcer I have any memory of though I may have caught the end of the prior regime (started fall 81).

The media provide both information and opinions for both the curious and the bigoted, from sports to politics. Nothing new here, move on, folks.

Trotsky
But we shouldn't forget the duo of Roy Ives and Tom Joseph (a casual friend of mine, a class behind me at IHS, who died a few years ago), who were quite the opposite but great in their own way. I can't remember when they stopped doing the broadcasts--it seems like only yesterday--but maybe before Greg's time.

Grady is our first announcer I have any memory of though I may have caught the end of the prior regime (started fall 81).[/quote]

Roy Ives stopped doing the games in 1989 or 1990.

Trotsky
Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.

I agree with all of these sentiments

But seriously, thank you. You have no idea how blessed I felt to get the gig in the first place, and how much I wish I was still doing them. My tenure was relatively brief but wonderful.

I remember Roy Ives. One of the best.

Jeff Hopkins '82
I remember Roy Ives. One of the best.

I wish we had tapes.

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82
I remember Roy Ives. One of the best.

I wish we had tapes.

There are recordings of the March 6, 1979 CU-Providence game floating around.... Roy & Tom Joseph did that game. Roy was THE best!!

Dork alert: I have taken my walkman to home games for years... I learned much abt hockey from Roy/Tom.... When Roy said (on the radio) that the puck was in some certain place on the ice, that is exactly where the puck was located (at that time)... He had an uncanny ability to saty up with the flow of the game.... None of his successors have had that great talent... They all have to "fudge" a bit to keep things flowing... Hard to explain here... I'm not knocking the others... Just explaining what sets Roy out from the rest. Play-by-play is difficult!

Trotsky
5. Guy at the bar who still wants to fight Matt Nickerson

And I could totally take him too!

I've known Roy quite well for many years and had the pleasure of working with him back in the 60s and 70s at WHCU. He told me that when he was growing up, he'd listen to Foster Hewitt broadcasting Hockey Night in Canada and as he got into hockey broadcasting, he worked very hard to emulate Foster in describing the action; not only what was happening, but where on the ice it was occurring. Over his years of broadcasting Cornell Hockey, he became very adept at it.

Roy was usually very cool and collected as he broadcast games. But then there's the Cornell-Providence game from March 6, 1979. Here a video with Arthur describing the game and Roy's call of the tying and winning goals.

Roy has been retired for many years now. I occasionally see him at games and around town.

Trotsky

upprdeck
since when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.

Here's a demonstration using the highlights video of the insane Harvard-Clarkson game a few weeks ago. The difference in volume between a Clarkson goal @ 1:59 of the video and a Harvard goal @ 2:23 makes me chuckle. You can almost hear the sound of his pout after an amazing sequence of consecutive 2-on-1s.

[www.youtube.com]

Gone are the days of Bob Ahfeld and Josh Bartell for Clarkson radio. They always called a fair and excellent game. One thing I've always liked about Cornell's broadcast teams is the genuine level of excitement for exciting plays by either team.

Trotsky
Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.

Live coverage of blue seats watching tonight's game on ESPN3. Q up 2-1 after one. Switzer having a rough year.

Go tigers.

RichH

Trotsky

upprdeck
since when are Home announcers not allowed to be Homers? and Rizzuto was as over the top Homer as it gets. Some schools its all about the WE, listen to a ND radio broadcast. the show is being broadcast for the "WE" fans not the avg person so why shouldn't it cater to that?

Listen to SU broadcasts. When Turrico/McDounagh? are doing national shows its one style, but when they come back and step in for the local guys, they are SU guys.

Because homerism is fucking horrible. Grady and Adam and Jason have all been fantastic and have all been anti-homer. We have been blessed.

Homer announcers can die in a fire.

Here's a demonstration using the highlights video of the insane Harvard-Clarkson game a few weeks ago. The difference in volume between a Clarkson goal @ 1:59 of the video and a Harvard goal @ 2:23 makes me chuckle. You can almost hear the sound of his pout after an amazing sequence of consecutive 2-on-1s.

[www.youtube.com]

Gone are the days of Bob Ahfeld and Josh Bartell for Clarkson radio. They always called a fair and excellent game. One thing I've always liked about Cornell's broadcast teams is the genuine level of excitement for exciting plays by either team.

Holy smokes, not sure what was worse, the announcing or the goaltending.

marty
Live coverage of blue seats watching tonight's game on ESPN3. Q up 2-1 after one. Switzer having a rough year.

Go tigers.

Q announcer is very good.