Fake News?
Posted by Johnny 5
Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2018 10:22AM
#1 (tie) in the ECAC, #1 Ivy League, most shutouts by a freshman goalie in CU history (tie), #1 in national win %, #1 in Pairwise (tie), #2 in longest win streak behind ND.
And, still news outlets like USCHO and CHN give us barely a mention??
“What’s a team gotta do to get some respect?” ~R. Dangerfield
And, still news outlets like USCHO and CHN give us barely a mention??
“What’s a team gotta do to get some respect?” ~R. Dangerfield
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/21/2018 10:24AM by Johnny 5.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 21, 2018 10:33AM
Johnny 5
#1 (tie) in the ECAC, #1 Ivy League, most shutouts by a freshman goalie in CU history (tie), #1 in national win %, #1 in Pairwise (tie), #2 in longest win streak behind ND.
And, still news outlets like USCHO and CHN give us barely a mention??
“What’s a team gotta do to get some respect?” ~R. Dangerfield
I like staying under the radar
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2018 10:33AM
Johnny 5
#1 (tie) in the ECAC, #1 Ivy League, most shutouts by a freshman goalie in CU history (tie), #1 in national win %, #1 in Pairwise (tie), #2 in longest win streak behind ND.
And, still news outlets like USCHO and CHN give us barely a mention??
“What’s a team gotta do to get some respect?” ~R. Dangerfield
Last week USCHO did a feature article on Cornell
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2018 01:42PM
scoop85
Johnny 5
#1 (tie) in the ECAC, #1 Ivy League, most shutouts by a freshman goalie in CU history (tie), #1 in national win %, #1 in Pairwise (tie), #2 in longest win streak behind ND.
And, still news outlets like USCHO and CHN give us barely a mention??
“What’s a team gotta do to get some respect?” ~R. Dangerfield
Last week USCHO did a feature article on Cornell
Oh, yeah...I forgot about that one!
Guess, I was hoping for an avalanche of coverage after this weekend’s developments.
Time will tell.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 21, 2018 02:33PM
Trotsky
Johnny 5
most shutouts by a freshman goalie in CU history (tie)
To be fair, this keeps getting mentioned but it's not a big deal. Get to 10 and we'll talk.
Agreed.
I was just trying to keep busy before football today.
But, I still think our team is under appreciated.
I could be biased? 40 years of riding the pine at Lynah will do that to you.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 21, 2018 03:32PM
I'm with abmarks, I love being unappreciated. All I want is for Western Factory U to look past us in the NC$$s because "EZAC."Johnny 5
Trotsky
Johnny 5
most shutouts by a freshman goalie in CU history (tie)
To be fair, this keeps getting mentioned but it's not a big deal. Get to 10 and we'll talk.
Agreed.
I was just trying to keep busy before football today.
But, I still think our team is under appreciated.
I could be biased? 40 years of riding the pine at Lynah will do that to you.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 23, 2018 06:08PM
Well, Cornell finally gets some respect, sort of (grudgingly).
Guess there was a dearth of positive western hockey news?
[www.uscho.com]
Guess there was a dearth of positive western hockey news?
[www.uscho.com]
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 23, 2018 06:42PM
Johnny 5
Well, Cornell finally gets some respect, sort of (grudgingly).
Guess there was a dearth of positive western hockey news?
[www.uscho.com]
Wow, what a nasty article.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: January 24, 2018 11:58AM
Jeff Hopkins '82
Johnny 5
Well, Cornell finally gets some respect, sort of (grudgingly).
Guess there was a dearth of positive western hockey news?
[www.uscho.com]
Wow, what a nasty article.
What's nasty about:
Now Cornell’s unbeaten streak is at eight (7-0-1) with two impressive shutout wins over Colgate this weekend, earning the Big Red 15 first-place votes.
or:
There was talk this weekend, too, of Cornell’s chances for a top seed in postseason, and I immediately thought of the Big Red’s strength of schedule with the remaining games. A few losses may change Cornell’s fortunes. Of course, if Cornell takes care of business on its own, that’s a moot point.
Jim: I’ll admit that I haven’t really jumped onto the Cornell bandwagon … until now.
I think shutouts are difficult in college hockey, so when a team posts two in a row against a nationally-ranked opponent in a very important league series, you can draw a lot of attention.
The ability of Cornell to shut down Colgate can’t be overlooked.
The thought that the Big Red could jump into a No. 1 seed is quite possible.
or:
Cornell got a bit of experience last season by reaching the NCAA field, so that may help. But seeds likely won’t matter in this year’s tournament as all 16 teams will likely be able to win.
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: January 24, 2018 03:02PM
Agreed, jim. People saying that they were doubters who are coming around sounds a lot like... eLynah.Jim Hyla
...
What's nasty about: ...
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Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 25, 2018 06:38AM
ugarte
Agreed, jim. People saying that they were doubters who are coming around sounds a lot like... eLynah.Jim Hyla
...
What's nasty about: ...
Yes, guess I stirred the wrong pot. My forte.
Seems like they would rather not appreciate Cornell, but they might have to?
I suppose this weekend will be a major determinant??
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: January 25, 2018 08:47AM
Johnny 5
ugarte
Agreed, jim. People saying that they were doubters who are coming around sounds a lot like... eLynah.Jim Hyla
...
What's nasty about: ...
Yes, guess I stirred the wrong pot. My forte.
Seems like they would rather not appreciate Cornell, but they might have to?
I suppose this weekend will be a major determinant??
The ECAC is, probably justifiably, always going to be looked at as a question mark. That's especially true, in a year like this, when the league is suffering from general weakness. The key is that Pairwise Rankings don't depend upon opinion. (At least after the criteria are put in place. We could argue about criteria.)
I have significant doubts that CU can maintain their lofty position, considering the teams we've played and our remarkable shooting percentage. I'd rather we remain in the background until we show we can win more tough games on the road. i.e. Harvard and Clarkson. Win those 2 and we belong in the conversation. Lose those and we become a team that can be in the NCAA tourney mix. Lose those 2 and don't make the ECAC Finals, well??????
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: KenP (140.90.170.---)
Date: January 25, 2018 08:57AM
Let's ask the question in a different way. Is Cornell'18 as scary as Clarkson'18? Or Yale or Quinnipiac or Union or Sucks from recent seasons? If I were a betting man I don't know if I'd put this team as the favorite in any of those match-ups....
We are good; still not sure if we are elite.
We are good; still not sure if we are elite.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/25/2018 08:58AM by KenP.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 25, 2018 09:20AM
KenP
Let's ask the question in a different way. Is Cornell'18 as scary as Clarkson'18? Or Yale or Quinnipiac or Union or Sucks from recent seasons? If I were a betting man I don't know if I'd put this team as the favorite in any of those match-ups....
We are good; still not sure if we are elite.
We'll find out soon enough.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: January 25, 2018 10:10AM
I didnt look at the stats but does Cornell have a high shooting percentage if you analyze it subjectively? Just watching the games and the quality of the chances it feels like we are under shooting. Clarkson has the same sh% as us, there is only a 4% difference from best to worst, but nothing shows how good the shots are.. I know there are some numbers for this in the NHL stats. it could be we score on 12% of all shots and 20% of quality shots and clarkson scores on 12% of all shots and 50% on quality shots? who knows? interesting to see us so high in scoring and in the bottom 3rd in PP which usually where many of the best shots come from.. Coach even mentioned last week the 5x5 play has been really solid and leading to most of our scoring and that means a lot when games are played clean
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: RichH (---.une.net.co)
Date: January 25, 2018 11:05AM
KenP
Let's ask the question in a different way. Is Cornell'18 as scary as Clarkson'18?
I’d say that Clarkson’18 has almost as much to prove nationally as Cornell. (The game at Lynah giving them the edge.) They’re a team that did well in 2017 but didn’t make the conference semis and lost at least one TERRIFIC defenseman to graduation. We thought they’d be in the race for the ECAC, but national top 5? Not many expected that, and they still have to prove their mettle to many outsiders, as do we.
Really, I think Denver was the only solid national favorite, and throw in Notre Dame’s progress from 2017 (and the usual suspects like Duluth & DakotHawks) and the rest have to earn a seat.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 25, 2018 11:14AM
KenP
Let's ask the question in a different way. Is Cornell'18 as scary as Clarkson'18? Or Yale or Quinnipiac or Union or Sucks from recent seasons? If I were a betting man I don't know if I'd put this team as the favorite in any of those match-ups....
We are good; still not sure if we are elite.
I will say one thing, though - it's really nice, for a change, to be asking these questions.
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 25, 2018 03:28PM
I considered putting this in a new thread for this upcoming weekend until I got to the next-to-last paragraph. An otherwise excellent article on the ECAC this week talks about current and former ECAC players in the Olympics but overlooks Ben Scrivens?? How can you justify mentioning Milos Bubela playing for Slovokia but not mention Ben as GK for Team Canada?
As for the first part of the article, which mentions that Dartmouth has beaten the #2 team in the country twice this year (Denver & Clarkson), well let's hope Garp was right.
As for the first part of the article, which mentions that Dartmouth has beaten the #2 team in the country twice this year (Denver & Clarkson), well let's hope Garp was right.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/25/2018 03:29PM by Swampy.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 25, 2018 03:41PM
Swampy
I considered putting this in a new thread for this upcoming weekend until I got to the next-to-last paragraph. An otherwise excellent article on the ECAC this week talks about current and former ECAC players in the Olympics but overlooks Ben Scrivens?? How can you justify mentioning Milos Bubela playing for Slovokia but not mention Ben as GK for Team Canada?
Pretty much par for the course - Nate seems to put together his columns based only on 1) what he already knows or even merely believes, and 2) what's already in front of him.
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: BMac (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: January 25, 2018 06:54PM
... and apparently still hasn’t learned the difference between “freshman” and “freshmen.”
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 26, 2018 07:47AM
Let’s hope the boys bring their A-game tonight.
Then even CHN might run a piece on Cornell!?
Then even CHN might run a piece on Cornell!?
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 26, 2018 06:27PM
I'd say Cornell is about as scary as Clarkson '18 and less scary than those other teams. Why? Because Y/Q/U were dominant for longer than half of a season. As others have noted, that shooting percentage number is going to go down for both Clarkson and Cornell, and both teams won't keep winning such a high percentage of the razor-close games they've played. Cornell is also incredibly light on defense: there are six healthy D on the roster right now. Last year's team for the final fourth of the season was playing at a disadvantage every night, suiting up five defensemen. This team is one injury away from having to go through that again. I'd guess that, if college hockey had 1000-game seasons, Cornell would probably be in the 10-15th in the country range. As it stands now, Cornell is in excellent shape to capitalize on having been a strong team with quite a bit of luck in the first 19 games of the season.KenP
Let's ask the question in a different way. Is Cornell'18 as scary as Clarkson'18? Or Yale or Quinnipiac or Union or Sucks from recent seasons? If I were a betting man I don't know if I'd put this team as the favorite in any of those match-ups....
We are good; still not sure if we are elite.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/26/2018 06:28PM by BearLover.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 26, 2018 06:45PM
Yeah, but somebody might break 20 goals again.BearLover
I'd guess that, if college hockey had 1000-game seasons, Cornell would probably be in the 10-15th in the country range.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 27, 2018 07:37AM
Counterpoint: ambush
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 27, 2018 08:06AM
Trotsky
Counterpoint: ambush
LOL!!
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 28, 2018 06:40AM
Ok,...we sweep the weekend, lock up the Ivy title, move into first place in the ECAC, and COLGATE gets the lead USCHO article because they beat Harvard!? WTF!!
Let’s all genuflect before the throne of Colton Point? Not.
Let’s all genuflect before the throne of Colton Point? Not.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 28, 2018 07:57AM
Johnny 5
Ok,...we sweep the weekend, lock up the Ivy title, move into first place in the ECAC, and COLGATE gets the lead USCHO article because they beat Harvard!? WTF!!
Let’s all genuflect before the throne of Colton Point? Not.
Honestly, buddy, you're starting to sound like a whining, entitled brat. You want a feature article on Cornell every freakin' week?! Even the article on Colgate shutting out Harvard talked about Cornell and Galajda. It might be hard to swallow, but very few people care about the Ivy title, and it's not as interesting when we win the fifth game in a row that we're supposed to win.
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 28, 2018 08:19AM
Beeeej
Johnny 5
Ok,...we sweep the weekend, lock up the Ivy title, move into first place in the ECAC, and COLGATE gets the lead USCHO article because they beat Harvard!? WTF!!
Let’s all genuflect before the throne of Colton Point? Not.
Honestly, buddy, you're starting to sound like a whining, entitled brat. You want a feature article on Cornell every freakin' week?! Even the article on Colgate shutting out Harvard talked about Cornell and Galajda. It might be hard to swallow, but very few people care about the Ivy title, and it's not as interesting when we win the fifth game in a row that we're supposed to win.
Wait! Being a whining, entitled brat...that’s a bad thing?!
And, yes, I’d love several articles about Cornell. At least weekly, if not daily.
Guess I’m an obsessed fan, too? Plus, I remember the Reycroft years.
Lo siento.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 08:44AM
Soon to be replaced by "first-year."BMac
... and apparently still hasn’t learned the difference between “freshman” and “freshmen.”
Then there is the retronym "true freshman" to distinguish from "redshirt freshman." "Freshman" and "redshirt freshman" works for me.
William Safire was a charming guy in person and also painfully unhappy with change. He did a column on retronyms ("a new term created from an existing word in order to distinguish it from the meaning that has emerged through progress or technological development (e.g., cloth diaper is a retronym...)." Safire cited "corded drill" but then couldn't help himself and lamented about the need for the term "English-language radio."
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 09:04AM
billhoward
Soon to be replaced by "first-year."BMac
... and apparently still hasn’t learned the difference between “freshman” and “freshmen.”
Then there is the retronym "true freshman" to distinguish from "redshirt freshman." "Freshman" and "redshirt freshman" works for me.
William Safire was a charming guy in person and also painfully unhappy with change. He did a column on retronyms ("a new term created from an existing word in order to distinguish it from the meaning that has emerged through progress or technological development (e.g., cloth diaper is a retronym...)." Safire cited "corded drill" but then couldn't help himself and lamented about the need for the term "English-language radio."
Isn't "first-year" also used to de-gender the noun? (Although first-year seems more naturally used as an adjective.) Would we now have "freshwoman" and "redshirt freshwoman"? Or, perhaps "freshperson" and "redshirt freshperson"?
Also, is it ever the case that a player will actually play their first year in college but then sit out a later year? We already have "medical redshirt" for cases in which a player is unable to play because of injury. But, especially in factory schools, I can imagine, say, the starting and backup quarterbacks going down, so the coach plays a new recruit who otherwise would be redshirting; then the next year, the now-sophomore recruit sits out. Do things like this happen regularly?
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 09:43AM
My favorite moment from the Saturday wrap up pieces comes from CHN in consecutive paragraphs:
It’s comfortable, except when it’s not.
Harvard is comfortably in fourth place in the ECAC standings, good enough to earn a bye to the league's quarterfinals.
Colgate moves into a fifth-place tie with Dartmouth. The Raiders are just two games back of Harvard with two games in hand.
It’s comfortable, except when it’s not.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Jim Hyla (209.36.16.---)
Date: January 28, 2018 10:50AM
Swampy
billhoward
Soon to be replaced by "first-year."BMac
... and apparently still hasn’t learned the difference between “freshman” and “freshmen.”
Then there is the retronym "true freshman" to distinguish from "redshirt freshman." "Freshman" and "redshirt freshman" works for me.
William Safire was a charming guy in person and also painfully unhappy with change. He did a column on retronyms ("a new term created from an existing word in order to distinguish it from the meaning that has emerged through progress or technological development (e.g., cloth diaper is a retronym...)." Safire cited "corded drill" but then couldn't help himself and lamented about the need for the term "English-language radio."
Isn't "first-year" also used to de-gender the noun? (Although first-year seems more naturally used as an adjective.) Would we now have "freshwoman" and "redshirt freshwoman"? Or, perhaps "freshperson" and "redshirt freshperson"?
Also, is it ever the case that a player will actually play their first year in college but then sit out a later year? We already have "medical redshirt" for cases in which a player is unable to play because of injury. But, especially in factory schools, I can imagine, say, the starting and backup quarterbacks going down, so the coach plays a new recruit who otherwise would be redshirting; then the next year, the now-sophomore recruit sits out. Do things like this happen regularly?
Medical training sort of went through this. Back in the dark ages, when I went through, there were interns and residents. For most fields you did 1 year as intern and then residency, but in some you went straight to residency. Now almost all say R1, R2, etc. So come up with a generic nomenclature and become famous.
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 28, 2018 12:37PM
Hey, look, a feature on CHN.
[www.collegehockeynews.com]
[www.collegehockeynews.com]
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 12:55PM
Johnny 5
Beeeej
Johnny 5
Ok,...we sweep the weekend, lock up the Ivy title, move into first place in the ECAC, and COLGATE gets the lead USCHO article because they beat Harvard!? WTF!!
Let’s all genuflect before the throne of Colton Point? Not.
Honestly, buddy, you're starting to sound like a whining, entitled brat. You want a feature article on Cornell every freakin' week?! Even the article on Colgate shutting out Harvard talked about Cornell and Galajda. It might be hard to swallow, but very few people care about the Ivy title, and it's not as interesting when we win the fifth game in a row that we're supposed to win.
Wait! Being a whining, entitled brat...that’s a bad thing?!
And, yes, I’d love several articles about Cornell. At least weekly, if not daily.
Guess I’m an obsessed fan, too? Plus, I remember the Reycroft years.
Lo siento.
What does that all have to do with the need to "read your own press clippings"?
Being obsessed with your team and it's success is a good thing. But bitching about not enough press coverage is amateur hour.
And as to us deserving coverage or not: ok, we've got #1 in PWR and KRACH and the best win percentage in the country. But look at our SOS- I wouldn't be surprised if this is a factor in people believing we are the real deal at a national level.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 12:59PM
abmarks
But look at our SOS- I wouldn't be surprised if this is a factor in people believing we are the real deal at a national level.
I'm sure it will, but it's silly because SOS is baked into the ranking.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 01:05PM
Eh. It's baked in to the ranking but that's why you need to limit your reliance on the computers. The SOS doesn't adjust for margin of victory as far as I'm aware and for a team with such a great record there are an awful lot of 1 goal wins against teams like Niagara and Princeton.Trotsky
abmarks
But look at our SOS- I wouldn't be surprised if this is a factor in people believing we are the real deal at a national level.
I'm sure it will, but it's silly because SOS is baked into the ranking.
I am enjoying this run and will enjoy it as far as we go. Cornell is obviously a tournament-quality team - and can beat any team on the right day - but I think the skepticism that Cornell is at top 2 team is entirely fair despite what the computers say.
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Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 01:12PM
ugarte
Eh. It's baked in to the ranking but that's why you need to limit your reliance on the computers. The SOS doesn't adjust for margin of victory as far as I'm aware and for a team with such a great record there are an awful lot of 1 goal wins against teams like Niagara and Princeton.Trotsky
abmarks
But look at our SOS- I wouldn't be surprised if this is a factor in people believing we are the real deal at a national level.
I'm sure it will, but it's silly because SOS is baked into the ranking.
I am enjoying this run and will enjoy it as far as we go. Cornell is obviously a tournament-quality team - and can beat any team on the right day - but I think the skepticism that Cornell is at top 2 team is entirely fair despite what the computers say.
"Everyone has an algorithm 'till they get punched in the mouth." - ugarte
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 03:00PM
Trotsky
abmarks
But look at our SOS- I wouldn't be surprised if this is a factor in people believing we are the real deal at a national level.
I'm sure it will, but it's silly because SOS is baked into the ranking.
If by ranking, you mean PWR or KRACH, then you're certainly correct. I'm talking about straight up opinions, not computer rankings.
I was really getting at possible reason we might not be getting the kind of press Johnny5 would like. If we looked at subjective opinions, and ignored the computer, there are probably a lot of people of the mindset that "Cornell's record is impressive, but they've played a weak-ass schedule."
It'll be interesting to see if the polls on Monday are basically PWR proxies or not. I'd expect that in a straight coaches poll where no one knew the computer numbers, we are lower in that poll than in the PWR or KRACH, due to SOS.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 03:25PM
I have seen almost every game this year. I am not convinced we are the best team, but I also dont think we have played poorly in more than 2-3 games and thats not something most of these teams can say.. We might not have the highest high because we dont have the offensive skill, but we also play at a level close to our best in almost every game and often in hockey that is what leads to pretty good records. Some of the so called teams that are better probably have more scoring types, but dont always get the solid D and goal tending.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 04:15PM
New BucciMane #CawlidgeHawkey Top 10
— Bucci Mane (@Buccigross) January 28, 2018
1 Cornell
2 NotreDame
3 Denver
4 Clarkson
5 Minn St
6 St. Cloud
7 Ohio St
8 Minn-Duluth
9 Providence
10 N’Eastern pic.twitter.com/QRfUk1eb0h
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 28, 2018 05:48PM
ugarte
Eh. It's baked in to the ranking but that's why you need to limit your reliance on the computers. The SOS doesn't adjust for margin of victory as far as I'm aware and for a team with such a great record there are an awful lot of 1 goal wins against teams like Niagara and Princeton.Trotsky
abmarks
But look at our SOS- I wouldn't be surprised if this is a factor in people believing we are the real deal at a national level.
I'm sure it will, but it's silly because SOS is baked into the ranking.
I am enjoying this run and will enjoy it as far as we go. Cornell is obviously a tournament-quality team - and can beat any team on the right day - but I think the skepticism that Cornell is at top 2 team is entirely fair despite what the computers say.
Totally agree, but it sure is more fun bitching about these things, compared to some bitching from recent years.
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 07:20PM
ursusminor
New BucciMane #CawlidgeHawkey Top 10
— Bucci Mane (@Buccigross) January 28, 2018
1 Cornell
2 NotreDame
3 Denver
4 Clarkson
5 Minn St
6 St. Cloud
7 Ohio St
8 Minn-Duluth
9 Providence
10 N’Eastern pic.twitter.com/QRfUk1eb0h
#1 placement notwithstanding, Buccigross is an idiot (and a horrible play-by-play man when he does hockey.)
What blackmail material does he have on management?
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 28, 2018 08:49PM
So what is Cornell’s record against Top 5 teams? Top 10? Top 20?
Look at the sample size and performance and you will understand Western Bias.
Look at the sample size and performance and you will understand Western Bias.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: adamw (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 11:06AM
The reason you're not "getting the press you'd like" is because CHN - and that other place - have 60 teams to cover, and the season has only been, what, 15 weeks so far?
That said, Cornell is mentioned - most of the time prominently - in every weekend's roundup, which appear on the front page by every Sunday morning.
The other thing is, Cornell doesn't have any individual "stars" really, that would lend itself to the kinds of mid-week profile pieces we often run. My belief is that "everyone has a story" so I'm sure there are plenty of good ones, but some fall on your lap more than others, and others are necessary - like our recent Troy Terry piece, just as one example.
But it's OK - the "no respect" complaining is not unique to Cornell.
That said, Cornell is mentioned - most of the time prominently - in every weekend's roundup, which appear on the front page by every Sunday morning.
The other thing is, Cornell doesn't have any individual "stars" really, that would lend itself to the kinds of mid-week profile pieces we often run. My belief is that "everyone has a story" so I'm sure there are plenty of good ones, but some fall on your lap more than others, and others are necessary - like our recent Troy Terry piece, just as one example.
But it's OK - the "no respect" complaining is not unique to Cornell.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 11:40AM
Would be difficult to "star" more than the freshman between the pipes: lowest GAA in the division and tied for first in shutouts--playing seven fewer games than the other guy.adamw
The other thing is, Cornell doesn't have any individual "stars" really, that would lend itself to the kinds of mid-week profile pieces we often run.
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Re: Fake News?
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 12:13PM
Angello is on a hell of a run too.Al DeFlorio
Would be difficult to "star" more than the freshman between the pipes: lowest GAA in the division and tied for first in shutouts--playing seven fewer games than the other guy.adamw
The other thing is, Cornell doesn't have any individual "stars" really, that would lend itself to the kinds of mid-week profile pieces we often run.
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Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 12:32PM
Amen to that.ugarte
Angello is on a hell of a run too.Al DeFlorio
Would be difficult to "star" more than the freshman between the pipes: lowest GAA in the division and tied for first in shutouts--playing seven fewer games than the other guy.adamw
The other thing is, Cornell doesn't have any individual "stars" really, that would lend itself to the kinds of mid-week profile pieces we often run.
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Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.sub-70-195-129.myvzw.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 02:21PM
adamw
The reason you're not "getting the press you'd like" is because CHN - and that other place - have 60 teams to cover, and the season has only been, what, 15 weeks so far?
That said, Cornell is mentioned - most of the time prominently - in every weekend's roundup, which appear on the front page by every Sunday morning.
The other thing is, Cornell doesn't have any individual "stars" really, that would lend itself to the kinds of mid-week profile pieces we often run. My belief is that "everyone has a story" so I'm sure there are plenty of good ones, but some fall on your lap more than others, and others are necessary - like our recent Troy Terry piece, just as one example.
But it's OK - the "no respect" complaining is not unique to Cornell.
But, just as an FYI.
I only started this discussion with tongue firmly implanted in cheek.
Do I like to see Cornell get coverage? Sure. It’s great for recruiting, if nothing else.
Do I expect the press to run something on our team every time one of our players farts?
Not hardly.
I’m an inveterate wise-ass who loves to poke the tiger.
Sometimes the tiger pokes back. Keeps it from getting boring.
Regardless,
“Go Big Red!!”
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (209.68.90.---)
Date: January 30, 2018 01:52PM
OK,....I will now, officially, stop whining. Maybe. Or, not.
Also, sending 6 figure check to the Financial Aid Dept.
Time for another Jamison.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 30, 2018 04:15PM
The deluge continues...
[www.collegehockeynews.com]
[www.collegehockeynews.com]
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 04:46PM
Nice piece.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: January 30, 2018 04:51PM
Trotsky
Nice piece.
Very well done indeed.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 30, 2018 05:39PM
scoop85
Trotsky
Nice piece.
Very well done indeed.
‘Bout effing time!!
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 07:02PM
Johnny 5
scoop85
Trotsky
Nice piece.
Very well done indeed.
‘Bout effing time!!
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: January 30, 2018 07:25PM
Trotsky
Johnny 5
scoop85
Trotsky
Nice piece.
Very well done indeed.
‘Bout effing time!!
Am, too!!
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 08:50PM
I thought it was pretty clear from the start that Johnny 5's calls for appreciation were tongue-in-cheek, given his post history, his quoting of Rodney Dangerfield, and his silly emoji...
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 09:40PM
BearLover
I thought it was pretty clear from the start that Johnny 5's calls for appreciation were tongue-in-cheek, given his post history, his quoting of Rodney Dangerfield, and his silly emoji...
I'm good with that.
Actually, I think both articles are pretty good. I think I liked the USCHO one a bit more because it intelligently discusses some of things we've been talking about, like the need to be offensively capable no matter how good your defense is.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 31, 2018 09:44AM
...and on and on and on...
[www.collegehockeynews.com]
[www.collegehockeynews.com]
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 10:51AM
From the article:
Green is expected back this weekend.
Very good.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Iceberg (---.buffalo.rr.com)
Date: January 31, 2018 11:01AM
Cornell swept the season series against the Crimson and Big Green for the first time since 1996-97.
Yeesh. Had it really been that long? Of course, Dartmouth and Harvard had different travel partners at that time because of Vermont's presence in the conference.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2018 11:03AM by Iceberg.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.sub-174-199-30.myvzw.com)
Date: January 31, 2018 12:23PM
The press blackout continue:
[inchwriters.com]
[inchwriters.com]
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Re: Fake News?
Posted by: underskill (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 01:25PM
INCH is still around?
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: January 31, 2018 01:29PM
from the url it looks like the expats started a blogunderskill
INCH is still around?
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Re: Fake News?
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: January 31, 2018 02:13PM
the implication about Malott from the longer quote? not as good.Trotsky
From the article:
Cornell has also been without forward Jeff Malott and freshman defenseman Alex Green due to injury. Green is expected back this weekend.
Very good.
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Re: Fake News?
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 31, 2018 07:13PM
The 6:00 PM news broadcast from Elmira (I believe) had a longish piece on the Cornell hockey team, their having reached the number one spot in the polls, etc. I say longish, as I think it was probably close to a five-minute segment. They had actually sent a reporting crew to Lynah to film a practice and interview Coach Schafer and some of the other players.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 31, 2018 07:15PM
andyw2100
The 6:00 PM news broadcast from Elmira (I believe) had a longish piece on the Cornell hockey team, their having reached the number one spot in the polls, etc. I say longish, as I think it was probably close to a five-minute segment. They had actually sent a reporting crew to Lynah to film a practice and interview Coach Schafer and some of the other players.
...boom.
[www.weny.com]
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 31, 2018 07:36PM
Angello’s comment re “sorry professors” made me chuckle.
And to beat Greg to the punch, seeing that reporter made me feel really old
And to beat Greg to the punch, seeing that reporter made me feel really old
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 08:48PM
scoop85
Angello’s comment re “sorry professors” made me chuckle.
And to beat Greg to the punch, seeing that reporter made me feel really old
Yeah, I can’t think of a market more “entry-level” than the Elmira local news. I grew up in the Southern Tier, and you still see a parade of too-large suits and squeaky-voiced teleprompter readers, especially around the holidays.
Props to Angello for avoiding the cliched sound-bite in a piece that’s magnetized for them.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 31, 2018 09:39PM
Beeeej
andyw2100
The 6:00 PM news broadcast from Elmira (I believe) had a longish piece on the Cornell hockey team, their having reached the number one spot in the polls, etc. I say longish, as I think it was probably close to a five-minute segment. They had actually sent a reporting crew to Lynah to film a practice and interview Coach Schafer and some of the other players.
...boom.
[www.weny.com]
Thanks for posting that link, Beeeej!
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.37.26.69.virtela.net)
Date: February 01, 2018 08:07AM
I liked Yates' comment: "We're striving to be #1 at the end of the year."
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 01, 2018 08:52AM
Jeff Hopkins '82
I liked Yates' comment: "We're striving to be #1 at the end of the year."
+1
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 02, 2018 11:09PM
The reporter in the WENY piece tweeted a replay of the Fiegl goal:
[twitter.com]
[twitter.com]
There's a reason @CUBigRedHockey is #1 in the country..... @vandy016 ➡️ Alex Green ➡️ @jared_fiegl
I edited this a few times, trying to get the link to work properly. I'm not well-versed in Twitter, and I believe I have failed. Oh well. Sorry.
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2018 11:16AM by andyw2100.
Re: Fake News?
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 05, 2018 11:41AM
We got some additional press coverage today, but not in a good way. I think I'd prefer to be underrated and not covered rather that overrated and covered too much.
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