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Bracketology Starts

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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 16, 2018 10:24PM

Clarkson wins.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-219-128.myvzw.com)
Date: March 16, 2018 10:31PM

So, North Dakota gets in if they win their consolation game AND Clarkson wins AND the winner of Northeastern and Providence beats BU.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 16, 2018 10:45PM

Dafatone
So, North Dakota gets in if they win their consolation game AND Clarkson wins AND the winner of Northeastern and Providence beats BU.
But I assume the selection committee would send one of the western teams (ND/Ohio State) west to play them?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: marty (---.financeresourceonline.com)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:13PM

Isn't Denver about to push us to #5 in the computer rankings?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:14PM

BearLover
Dafatone
So, North Dakota gets in if they win their consolation game AND Clarkson wins AND the winner of Northeastern and Providence beats BU.
But I assume the selection committee would send one of the western teams (ND/Ohio State) west to play them?

If the 1s are scsu, notre dame, osu, cornell and the 4s are Minnesota, North Dakota, WCHA, AHA, I think Cornell would go west. Top two would get the autobids and osu can't play Minnesota.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:15PM

marty
Isn't Denver about to push us to #5 in the computer rankings?

They're too far behind us, believe it or not.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: marty (---.financeresourceonline.com)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:17PM

Beeeej
marty
Isn't Denver about to push us to #5 in the computer rankings?

They're too far behind us, believe it or not.

Good news unless it leads to Sioux Falls.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:19PM

marty
Beeeej
marty
Isn't Denver about to push us to #5 in the computer rankings?

They're too far behind us, believe it or not.

Good news unless it leads to Sioux Falls.

Yup. Root for Princeton, Minnesota-Duluth, and/or (not)BU.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:22PM

Chris '03
BearLover
Dafatone
So, North Dakota gets in if they win their consolation game AND Clarkson wins AND the winner of Northeastern and Providence beats BU.
But I assume the selection committee would send one of the western teams (ND/Ohio State) west to play them?

If the 1s are scsu, notre dame, osu, cornell and the 4s are Minnesota, North Dakota, WCHA, AHA, I think Cornell would go west. Top two would get the autobids and osu can't play Minnesota.
What does OSU not playing Minnesota have to do with Cornell going west? OSU not playing Minnesota means OSU would play NoDak and therefore go west instead of us, who play Minnesota, right?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: RichH (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:34PM

Beeeej
marty
Beeeej
marty
Isn't Denver about to push us to #5 in the computer rankings?

They're too far behind us, believe it or not.

Good news unless it leads to Sioux Falls.

Yup. Root for Princeton, Minnesota-Duluth, and/or (not)BU.

Doesn’t a BU win take away another at-large slot, meaning NoDak gets bounced?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:39PM

RichH
Beeeej
marty
Beeeej
marty
Isn't Denver about to push us to #5 in the computer rankings?

They're too far behind us, believe it or not.

Good news unless it leads to Sioux Falls.

Yup. Root for Princeton, Minnesota-Duluth, and/or (not)BU.

Doesn’t a BU win take away another at-large slot, meaning NoDak gets bounced?

Sorry, I had that backwards. Yes, root for BU.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 12:30AM

BearLover
Chris '03
BearLover
Dafatone
So, North Dakota gets in if they win their consolation game AND Clarkson wins AND the winner of Northeastern and Providence beats BU.
But I assume the selection committee would send one of the western teams (ND/Ohio State) west to play them?

If the 1s are scsu, notre dame, osu, cornell and the 4s are Minnesota, North Dakota, WCHA, AHA, I think Cornell would go west. Top two would get the autobids and osu can't play Minnesota.
What does OSU not playing Minnesota have to do with Cornell going west? OSU not playing Minnesota means OSU would play NoDak and therefore go west instead of us, who play Minnesota, right?

Yes. I'm going to go back to sleep now or something.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:05AM

prov/prin/minn dul/Nor Mich knocks out ND/BC/BU isnt that even better?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-217-19.myvzw.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 12:19PM

To summarize, it looks like NoDak gets in if NoDak, Clarkson, and Providence win. If NoDak gets in and Ohio State wins, we (likely) wind up in Sioux Falls.

I say likely because I'm not 100% certain they won't pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to avoid that.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 12:20PM by Dafatone.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: marty (---.setaptr.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 12:47PM

Dafatone
To summarize, it looks like NoDak gets in if NoDak, Clarkson, and Providence win. If NoDak gets in and Ohio State wins, we (likely) wind up in Sioux Falls.

I say likely because I'm not 100% certain they won't pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to avoid that.

In 2005 and 2006 there were no rabbits just dead half eaten crows.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 01:28PM

Dafatone
To summarize, it looks like NoDak gets in if NoDak, Clarkson, and Providence win. If NoDak gets in and Ohio State wins, we (likely) wind up in Sioux Falls.

I say likely because I'm not 100% certain they won't pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to avoid that.
Why would we end up in Sioux Falls and not Ohio State/Note Dame?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 01:28PM by BearLover.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-217-19.myvzw.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 01:36PM

BearLover
Dafatone
To summarize, it looks like NoDak gets in if NoDak, Clarkson, and Providence win. If NoDak gets in and Ohio State wins, we (likely) wind up in Sioux Falls.

I say likely because I'm not 100% certain they won't pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to avoid that.
Why would we end up in Sioux Falls and not Ohio State/Note Dame?

That's a good point. I figure if we wind up in 4th, we get the least preferential regional, Not a lot of sense in sending Notre Dame or Ohio State to Worcester or Bridgeport, I suppose.

On a related note, Allentown isn't Midwest.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: marty (---.setaptr.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 01:44PM

Dafatone
BearLover
Dafatone
To summarize, it looks like NoDak gets in if NoDak, Clarkson, and Providence win. If NoDak gets in and Ohio State wins, we (likely) wind up in Sioux Falls.

I say likely because I'm not 100% certain they won't pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to avoid that.
Why would we end up in Sioux Falls and not Ohio State/Note Dame?

That's a good point. I figure if we wind up in 4th, we get the least preferential regional, Not a lot of sense in sending Notre Dame or Ohio State to Worcester or Bridgeport, I suppose.

On a related note, Allentown isn't Midwest.

No, but it is close to South Bend. Ugh.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 02:00PM

Dafatone
BearLover
Dafatone
To summarize, it looks like NoDak gets in if NoDak, Clarkson, and Providence win. If NoDak gets in and Ohio State wins, we (likely) wind up in Sioux Falls.

I say likely because I'm not 100% certain they won't pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to avoid that.
Why would we end up in Sioux Falls and not Ohio State/Note Dame?

That's a good point. I figure if we wind up in 4th, we get the least preferential regional, Not a lot of sense in sending Notre Dame or Ohio State to Worcester or Bridgeport, I suppose.

On a related note, Allentown isn't Midwest.
There will only be one eastern 1-seed this year. So why send them to the only western regional if not doing so would mess up the "serpentine order" (1v16, 2v15, etc.) only marginally or not at all?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 02:01PM by BearLover.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-217-19.myvzw.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 03:01PM

BearLover
Dafatone
BearLover
Dafatone
To summarize, it looks like NoDak gets in if NoDak, Clarkson, and Providence win. If NoDak gets in and Ohio State wins, we (likely) wind up in Sioux Falls.

I say likely because I'm not 100% certain they won't pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to avoid that.
Why would we end up in Sioux Falls and not Ohio State/Note Dame?

That's a good point. I figure if we wind up in 4th, we get the least preferential regional, Not a lot of sense in sending Notre Dame or Ohio State to Worcester or Bridgeport, I suppose.

On a related note, Allentown isn't Midwest.
There will only be one eastern 1-seed this year. So why send them to the only western regional if not doing so would mess up the "serpentine order" (1v16, 2v15, etc.) only marginally or not at all?

I guess I wonder if we finish 4th (and the big10 teams get preference over us), one likely goes to the Allentown Midwest regional. St cloud can't play NoDak in the first round, so they have to go east. Or maybe to that Allentown regional (which is basically east).

So the question is, does the committee think that an eastern regional or a western regional is more "home" to OSU and ND?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: redGrinch (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 03:50PM

Might be a bigger risk if DU wins and gets a 1 seed. neither DU or SCSU can plan North Dakota. So would they send Notre Dame there? even still, I can't imagine the NCAA sending the only #1 seed that can bus to a regional out west.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-217-26.myvzw.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 04:32PM

redGrinch
Might be a bigger risk if DU wins and gets a 1 seed. neither DU or SCSU can plan North Dakota. So would they send Notre Dame there? even still, I can't imagine the NCAA sending the only #1 seed that can bus to a regional out west.

Playing with the You Are the Committee tool, I don't think Denver can pass OSU. They can come really, really close, though.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Josh 03 (---.s4831.c3-0.129-cbr1.lnh-129.md.cable.rcncustomer.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 05:22PM

Dafatone

So the question is, does the committee think that an eastern regional or a western regional is more "home" to OSU and ND?

I would think Notre Dame to Sioux Falls. Their campus is about halfway between Sioux Falls and Allentown. Ohio State is significantly closer to Allentown so they make more sense there. Then doesn’t really matter if St Cloud is in Worcester or Bridgeport. I’d say put them in Worcester because it makes more sense for Cornell to be East than Northeast. Even if they’re the last #1 seed it still does something for them.

Of course if Denver knocks Cornell to the #5 spot, none of that matters.

Edit: Was forgetting about the whole Penn State in Allentown thing so never mind most of what I just said :-p
Except the part of thinking it makes most sense for Notre Dame to go to Sioux Falls.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 05:28PM by Josh 03.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 05:37PM

[quote="Josh 03”]
Of course if Denver knocks Cornell to the #5 spot, none of that matters.[/quote] It is mathematically impossible for Cornell to be #5. They will be 3 or 4.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: RichH (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 06:31PM

Dafatone
To summarize, it looks like NoDak gets in if NoDak, Clarkson, and Providence win. If NoDak gets in and Ohio State wins, we (likely) wind up in Sioux Falls.

I say likely because I'm not 100% certain they won't pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to avoid that.

The North Dakota Won’t Ever Dies are leading 2-0, of course.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Chris H82 (172.56.35.---)
Date: March 17, 2018 06:37PM

What time will the regionals be announced on Sunday?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: toddlose (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 06:47PM

Chris H82
What time will the regionals be announced on Sunday?

I think 12pm on espnu
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 06:47PM

Chris H82
What time will the regionals be announced on Sunday?

ESPNU at noon, unless Hopkins Lax is prolonged. Then maybe 1 or another goes to ESPNNews?

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 06:48PM

it says 11 in several articles but that could be CT..
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: JohnF81 (---.nycmny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 06:50PM

ESPNU schedule says 12:00 noon eastern
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 07:05PM

RichH
Dafatone
To summarize, it looks like NoDak gets in if NoDak, Clarkson, and Providence win. If NoDak gets in and Ohio State wins, we (likely) wind up in Sioux Falls.

I say likely because I'm not 100% certain they won't pull some sort of rabbit out of a hat to avoid that.

The North Dakota Won’t Ever Dies are leading 2-0, of course.

3-0 ND with 4 to go. UMD took 2 penalties in last 6 min, 1 a major. But they just scored 3-1

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 07:10PM

ND wins 4-1, after another UMD 2 min with 2:11 to go. Let's go PU.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 07:18PM

So is it correct that if either BU or Princeton win, ND is out?

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 08:31PM

Jim Hyla
So is it correct that if either BU or Princeton win, ND is out?

We believe that to be the case, yes.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.bhn.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 08:33PM

Only one way to end all this squabbling about best playoff selection procedure. Cornell wins the National Championship. The playoff selection which produces that result will be the undisputed best system.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: jaybert (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 08:39PM

So...what are the chances Cornell ends up in Bridgeport?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 08:52PM

jaybert
So...what are the chances Cornell ends up in Bridgeport?

Until there is a result in either the ECAC final or the HE final, it really is completely up in the air at this point. Seriously, it's almost here. You'll know shortly.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:27PM

BU 2-0 EN

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:30PM

BU WINS

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:39PM

So does Michigan Tech.

And Princeton is hanging on to a 1-0 lead.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:43PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
So does Michigan Tech.

And Princeton is hanging on to a 1-0 lead.

Clarkson scores 6-on-4 with 6.4 seconds left to tie it up. Going to OT.

 
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 09:49PM by Beeeej.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:52PM

Beeeej
Jeff Hopkins '82
So does Michigan Tech.

And Princeton is hanging on to a 1-0 lead.

Clarkson scores 6-on-4 with 6.4 seconds left to tie it up. Going to OT.

It was 6 on 5. The penalty had expired about twenty seconds earlier.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.apn.wlan.upenn.edu)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:54PM

ND and Ohio St. 2-2
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:55PM

andyw2100
Beeeej
Jeff Hopkins '82
So does Michigan Tech.

And Princeton is hanging on to a 1-0 lead.

Clarkson scores 6-on-4 with 6.4 seconds left to tie it up. Going to OT.

It was 6 on 5. The penalty had expired about twenty seconds earlier.

Thanks. I thought I counted only 4 Tigers in front of Ferland before I posted, but perhaps that's why Clarkson was able to score. dribble

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:59PM

ugarte pointed out to me in another mode of communication that Minnesota-Duluth must be going apeshit in front of their TVs right now.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:59PM

still need ND to win to stay top 4 seed, but does that matter the way they play the game
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:02PM

upprdeck
still need ND to win to stay top 4 seed, but does that matter the way they play the game

Who needs a ND win to stay a top 4 seed?

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:03PM

Assuming Denver wins (and they're ahead 3-0), here's what I see:

If OSU and Clarkson win, we finish 4th. Likely we play Minn. Duluth.
If Notre Dame and Clarkson win, we finish 3rd (with Denver 4th). Likely we play BU.

If OSU and Princeton win, we finish 4th. Likely we play BU.
If Notre Dame and Princeton win, we finish 3rd (with Denver 4th). Since Princeton would be the natural bracket partner for #3, we can't play them. Probably they swap Michigan Tech to us and give Princeton to Notre Dame.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:05PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Assuming Denver wins (and they're ahead 3-0), here's what I see:

If OSU and Clarkson win, we finish 4th. Likely we play Minn. Duluth.
If Notre Dame and Clarkson win, we finish 3rd (with Denver 4th). Likely we play BU.

If OSU and Princeton win, we finish 4th. Likely we play BU.
If Notre Dame and Princeton win, we finish 3rd (with Denver 4th). Since Princeton would be the natural bracket partner for #3, we can't play them. Probably they swap Michigan Tech to us and give Princeton to Notre Dame.
Those were my conclusions too. One of these outcomes is not like the others.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:05PM

PRINCETON WINS

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:06PM

Beeeej
upprdeck
still need ND to win to stay top 4 seed, but does that matter the way they play the game

Who needs a ND win to stay a top 4 seed?

Not us!
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:07PM

Beeeej
PRINCETON WINS

I read Adam's column from this morning. Does this mean the Goofers are out?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:08PM

Swampy
Beeeej
PRINCETON WINS

I read Adam's column from this morning. Does this mean the Goofers are out?

No, Minnesota-Duluth is out. Minnesota should be the lowest at-large now.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-217-17.myvzw.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:10PM

Beeeej
Swampy
Beeeej
PRINCETON WINS

I read Adam's column from this morning. Does this mean the Goofers are out?

No, Minnesota-Duluth is out. Minnesota should be the lowest at-large now.

You are the committee (which seems to be struggling a bit right now) had UMD in and Minnesota out, in one combination. Might rely on a few things.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:11PM

Dafatone
Beeeej
Swampy
Beeeej
PRINCETON WINS

I read Adam's column from this morning. Does this mean the Goofers are out?

No, Minnesota-Duluth is out. Minnesota should be the lowest at-large now.

You are the committee (which seems to be struggling a bit right now) had UMD in and Minnesota out, in one combination. Might rely on a few things.

Fair enough - at this moment, Minnesota is barely in #12 ahead of UMD. I'm not gonna do the permutations, someone else can.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:11PM

Yeah, the Goofers would be #12.

So it looks like we get either Michigan Tech or BU.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:13PM

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I read Adam's column from this morning. Does this mean the Goofers are out?

No, Minnesota-Duluth is out. Minnesota should be the lowest at-large now.

You are the committee (which seems to be struggling a bit right now) had UMD in and Minnesota out, in one combination. Might rely on a few things.

Fair enough - at this moment, Minnesota is barely in #12 ahead of UMD. I'm not gonna do the permutations, someone else can.

Adam said:

Minnesota-Duluth's spot is more precarious than it seemed a few days ago thanks to its semifinal loss to Denver. If Duluth loses the NCHC consolation game, and the ECAC and Hockey East champs steal the 13th and 14 slots, then UMD is out because it would drop below Minnesota in the Pairwise.

If UMD manages to stay in, then Minnesota would be out in the above scenario.

So UMD should be out, Minnesota in.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-217-17.myvzw.com)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:14PM

I think we end up playing BU.

St Cloud gets Air Force in Sioux falls, Notre Dame gets Michigan tech in allentown. Our proper matchup is Princeton, but that can't be, so we have the #13, BU. Not sure if that's Bridgeport or Worcester.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:14PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Yeah, the Goofers would be #12.

So it looks like we get either Michigan Tech or BU.

Edit. I take that back. If Notre Dame wins, Duluth is #12 and the Goofers are out. If OSU wins, Minny is #12 and Duluth is out.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.apn.wlan.upenn.edu)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:15PM

Ohio St. outplaying ND. 4:40 left in 3rd.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:15PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Jeff Hopkins '82
Yeah, the Goofers would be #12.

So it looks like we get either Michigan Tech or BU.

Edit. I take that back. If Notre Dame wins, Duluth is #12 and the Goofers are out. If OSU wins, Minny is #12 and Duluth is out.

Well, okay, then.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:15PM

BigRedHockeyFan
Ohio St. outplaying ND. 4:40 left in 3rd.

On TV somewhere? Can't seem to load USCHO or CHN right now.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.apn.wlan.upenn.edu)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:16PM

Audio from ND

[www.und.com]
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:17PM

Also on BTN.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:19PM

BigRedHockeyFan
Audio from ND

[www.und.com]

Just found it on the Big Ten network on TV. 1:13 left, 2-2 still.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: jfeath17 (---.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:20PM

Video (requires cable login)

[www.btn2go.com]
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:21PM

Going to OT in South Bend
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.apn.wlan.upenn.edu)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:21PM

ND - Ohio St. 2-2, going to OT.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:33PM

so a nd win makes us a 3 and go to CT, an osu win makes us a 4 and go to MA.. seems like playing BU in CT would be just a small bit better
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.apn.wlan.upenn.edu)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:39PM

Looks like Cornell will play BU no matter what happens.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: redliner (---.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:42PM

upprdeck
so a nd win makes us a 3 and go to CT, an osu win makes us a 4 and go to MA.. seems like playing BU in CT would be just a small bit better

I thought Cornell plays Michigan Tech if Notre Dame wins?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:44PM

should be interesting seeding though if ND wins and PSU has to go to allentown .

SCS - Mich - MD - air force
ND - Prov - psu - Princ
cornell - Minn St - Ne - BU
OSU - Denver - Clark - MTech

thats a bit messed up though. could easily have 3 all conf finals.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.apn.wlan.upenn.edu)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:46PM

Denver - St. Cloud: 3 - 1, 3:55 left
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 10:47PM by BigRedHockeyFan.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:46PM

upprdeck
should be interesting seeding though if ND wins and PSU has to go to allentown .

SCS - Mich - MD - air force
ND - Prov - psu - Princ
cornell - Minn St - Ne - BU
OSU - Denver - Clark - MTech

thats a bit messed up though. could easily have 3 all conf finals.

There's only so much you can do to prevent that with 4 or 5 teams from a single conference going. They only really care about avoiding intraconference in the first round. I'd be fine with an all-ECAC championship game again, as long as Cornell's one of the teams.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.apn.wlan.upenn.edu)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:49PM

Denver 4, St. Cloud 1
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:49PM

why would we play Mich tech? we would be the 3 seed. we cant play princeton.. so it could be BU or Mich tech
if we are the 4 seed it probably would be BU first until the play the games.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:49PM

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upprdeck
should be interesting seeding though if ND wins and PSU has to go to allentown .

SCS - Mich - MD - air force
ND - Prov - psu - Princ
cornell - Minn St - Ne - BU
OSU - Denver - Clark - MTech

thats a bit messed up though. could easily have 3 all conf finals.

There's only so much you can do to prevent that with 4 or 5 teams from a single conference going. They only really care about avoiding intraconference in the first round. I'd be fine with an all-ECAC championship game again, as long as Cornell's one of the teams.

#MeToo and Wow! I really didn't see the ECAC getting 3 bids this year.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.apn.wlan.upenn.edu)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:50PM

St. Cloud, EN, 2:05 left
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 10:51PM by BigRedHockeyFan.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:51PM

NOTRE DAME WINS

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:52PM

Notre Dame wins!
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.apn.wlan.upenn.edu)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:53PM

Denver 4, St. Cloud 1, Final
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:54PM

Happy St. Patty's Day!
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:58PM

suddenly PWR has us drop to 4..
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 10:58PM

Notre Dame wins.

I think two brackets are set:

1. SCSU - 8. Michigan - 9. Northeastern - 16. Air Force (Sioux Falls)
2. Notre Dame - 7. Providence - 10. Clarkson - 15. Mich. Tech

the other two Brackets are a bit trickier. My guess is it's.

3. Cornell - 6 Mankato - 12. Duluth - 13. BU
4. OSU - 5. Denver - 11. Penn State - 14. Princeton (Allentown)

So it comes down to whether you put us and BU in Worcester and Notre Dame / Providence / Clarkson in Bridgeport or vice versa.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: French Rage (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:00PM

Are Worcester and Bridgeport NHL size rinks?

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:00PM

really makes no sense to reward BU with a home game though as a 4 seed.

strange how PWR changed though since that same set of winners an hr ago left us a 3..
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:01PM

upprdeck
really makes no sense to reward BU with a home game though as a 4 seed.

strange how PWR changed though since that same set of winners an hr ago left us a 3..

According to CHN, we're still a 3.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:01PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Notre Dame wins.

I think two brackets are set:

1. SCSU - 8. Michigan - 9. Northeastern - 16. Air Force (Sioux Falls)
2. Notre Dame - 7. Providence - 10. Clarkson - 15. Mich. Tech

the other two Brackets are a bit trickier. My guess is it's.

3. Cornell - 6 Mankato - 12. Duluth - 13. BU
4. OSU - 5. Denver - 11. Penn State - 14. Princeton (Allentown)

So it comes down to whether you put us and BU in Worcester and Notre Dame / Providence / Clarkson in Bridgeport or vice versa.
Couldn't you just as easily give Cornell Mich Tech, give Ohio State BU, and give Notre Dame Princeton?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:04PM

since the first rule is less travel why wouldnt ND go to allentown? or is it far enough that flying throws that rule out?
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:04PM

BearLover
Jeff Hopkins '82
Notre Dame wins.

I think two brackets are set:

1. SCSU - 8. Michigan - 9. Northeastern - 16. Air Force (Sioux Falls)
2. Notre Dame - 7. Providence - 10. Clarkson - 15. Mich. Tech

the other two Brackets are a bit trickier. My guess is it's.

3. Cornell - 6 Mankato - 12. Duluth - 13. BU
4. OSU - 5. Denver - 11. Penn State - 14. Princeton (Allentown)

So it comes down to whether you put us and BU in Worcester and Notre Dame / Providence / Clarkson in Bridgeport or vice versa.
Couldn't you just as easily give Cornell Mich Tech, give Ohio State BU, and give Notre Dame Princeton?

I think he's matching the #1 seeds according to their finish in the pairwise: 1-16, 2-15, 3-14, & 4-13.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:05PM

crazy it just changed back to 3..
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:06PM

BearLover
Jeff Hopkins '82
Notre Dame wins.

I think two brackets are set:

1. SCSU - 8. Michigan - 9. Northeastern - 16. Air Force (Sioux Falls)
2. Notre Dame - 7. Providence - 10. Clarkson - 15. Mich. Tech

the other two Brackets are a bit trickier. My guess is it's.

3. Cornell - 6 Mankato - 12. Duluth - 13. BU
4. OSU - 5. Denver - 11. Penn State - 14. Princeton (Allentown)

So it comes down to whether you put us and BU in Worcester and Notre Dame / Providence / Clarkson in Bridgeport or vice versa.
Couldn't you just as easily give Cornell Mich Tech, give Ohio State BU, and give Notre Dame Princeton?

You might, rabbit. You might. But I suspect the committee might like the CU-BU rivalry. Then again, we've already played each other this year, so they may consider that, too.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 11:07PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:07PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
upprdeck
really makes no sense to reward BU with a home game though as a 4 seed.

strange how PWR changed though since that same set of winners an hr ago left us a 3..

According to CHN, we're still a 3.

Both USCHO & CHN have us #3 now. I guess tOSU losing knocked them down to #4. (Of course, us losing last night didn't help us either.)
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:08PM

Swampy
BearLover
Jeff Hopkins '82
Notre Dame wins.

I think two brackets are set:

1. SCSU - 8. Michigan - 9. Northeastern - 16. Air Force (Sioux Falls)
2. Notre Dame - 7. Providence - 10. Clarkson - 15. Mich. Tech

the other two Brackets are a bit trickier. My guess is it's.

3. Cornell - 6 Mankato - 12. Duluth - 13. BU
4. OSU - 5. Denver - 11. Penn State - 14. Princeton (Allentown)

So it comes down to whether you put us and BU in Worcester and Notre Dame / Providence / Clarkson in Bridgeport or vice versa.
Couldn't you just as easily give Cornell Mich Tech, give Ohio State BU, and give Notre Dame Princeton?

I think he's matching the #1 seeds according to their finish in the pairwise: 1-16, 2-15, 3-14, & 4-13.
Cornell is the 3 matched with the 13 in this
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:09PM

BearLover
Swampy
BearLover
Jeff Hopkins '82
Notre Dame wins.

I think two brackets are set:

1. SCSU - 8. Michigan - 9. Northeastern - 16. Air Force (Sioux Falls)
2. Notre Dame - 7. Providence - 10. Clarkson - 15. Mich. Tech

the other two Brackets are a bit trickier. My guess is it's.

3. Cornell - 6 Mankato - 12. Duluth - 13. BU
4. OSU - 5. Denver - 11. Penn State - 14. Princeton (Allentown)

So it comes down to whether you put us and BU in Worcester and Notre Dame / Providence / Clarkson in Bridgeport or vice versa.
Couldn't you just as easily give Cornell Mich Tech, give Ohio State BU, and give Notre Dame Princeton?

I think he's matching the #1 seeds according to their finish in the pairwise: 1-16, 2-15, 3-14, & 4-13.
Cornell is the 3 matched with the 13 in this

Yes, but we can't play Princeton in the first round, so you make as few switches as possible to fix that.

 
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Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:10PM

Swampy
BearLover
Jeff Hopkins '82
Notre Dame wins.

I think two brackets are set:

1. SCSU - 8. Michigan - 9. Northeastern - 16. Air Force (Sioux Falls)
2. Notre Dame - 7. Providence - 10. Clarkson - 15. Mich. Tech

the other two Brackets are a bit trickier. My guess is it's.

3. Cornell - 6 Mankato - 12. Duluth - 13. BU
4. OSU - 5. Denver - 11. Penn State - 14. Princeton (Allentown)

So it comes down to whether you put us and BU in Worcester and Notre Dame / Providence / Clarkson in Bridgeport or vice versa.
Couldn't you just as easily give Cornell Mich Tech, give Ohio State BU, and give Notre Dame Princeton?

I think he's matching the #1 seeds according to their finish in the pairwise: 1-16, 2-15, 3-14, & 4-13.

Yes, I was doing that as much as possible. But we can't play Princeton, and Denver can't play Duluth, so I swapped Princeton and BU to fix the first, and PSU and UMD to fix the second. That preserves "Bracket Integrity" for two brackets, and helps attendance for a third.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 11:11PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:10PM

I think Jeff has it right, with the ND group in Worcester. If you're going to reward a team with what's essentially a home game, reward #7 instead of #13.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:11PM

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BearLover
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Jeff Hopkins '82
Notre Dame wins.

I think two brackets are set:

1. SCSU - 8. Michigan - 9. Northeastern - 16. Air Force (Sioux Falls)
2. Notre Dame - 7. Providence - 10. Clarkson - 15. Mich. Tech

the other two Brackets are a bit trickier. My guess is it's.

3. Cornell - 6 Mankato - 12. Duluth - 13. BU
4. OSU - 5. Denver - 11. Penn State - 14. Princeton (Allentown)

So it comes down to whether you put us and BU in Worcester and Notre Dame / Providence / Clarkson in Bridgeport or vice versa.
Couldn't you just as easily give Cornell Mich Tech, give Ohio State BU, and give Notre Dame Princeton?

I think he's matching the #1 seeds according to their finish in the pairwise: 1-16, 2-15, 3-14, & 4-13.
Cornell is the 3 matched with the 13 in this

Yes, but we can't play Princeton in the first round, so you make as few switches as possible to fix that.
Right, and my example above is the same number of switches as this example
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:13PM

Swampy
I think Jeff has it right, with the ND group in Worcester. If you're going to reward a team with what's essentially a home game, reward #7 instead of #13.

To be fair, I'm not sure Bridgeport is any less a home game for Providence than Worcester. It's an hour's drive versus about 45 minutes. But I agree with your sentiment. That said #13 just won the head-to-head against #7, so who's to say they don't reward that.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 11:15PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Bracketology Starts
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:13PM

BearLover
Beeeej
BearLover
Swampy
BearLover
Jeff Hopkins '82
Notre Dame wins.

I think two brackets are set:

1. SCSU - 8. Michigan - 9. Northeastern - 16. Air Force (Sioux Falls)
2. Notre Dame - 7. Providence - 10. Clarkson - 15. Mich. Tech

the other two Brackets are a bit trickier. My guess is it's.

3. Cornell - 6 Mankato - 12. Duluth - 13. BU
4. OSU - 5. Denver - 11. Penn State - 14. Princeton (Allentown)

So it comes down to whether you put us and BU in Worcester and Notre Dame / Providence / Clarkson in Bridgeport or vice versa.
Couldn't you just as easily give Cornell Mich Tech, give Ohio State BU, and give Notre Dame Princeton?

I think he's matching the #1 seeds according to their finish in the pairwise: 1-16, 2-15, 3-14, & 4-13.
Cornell is the 3 matched with the 13 in this

Yes, but we can't play Princeton in the first round, so you make as few switches as possible to fix that.
Right, and my example above is the same number of switches as this example

Unless I'm missing something, you have to move one of those teams twice to get the result you're talking about, and there's no reason to move them the second time. In any event, this is still all speculation, and we'll know in 12 hours and 47 minutes.

 
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