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Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season

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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: marty (---.financeresourceonline.com)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:14PM

BearLover
Also, Miami has decided to fire its assistant coaches and also some of its players.

Brent Brekke!
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:16PM

marty
BearLover
Also, Miami has decided to fire its assistant coaches and also some of its players.

Brent Brekke!

Who else is whistling right now?

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:27PM

BearLover
Also, Miami has decided to fire its assistant coaches and also some of its players.

Which includes former Cornell assistant Brent Brekke.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: margolism (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:39PM

Didn’t Brekke, one of the Miami assistant coaches, used to be at Cornell?
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: marty (---.financeresourceonline.com)
Date: March 16, 2018 11:41PM

margolism
Didn’t Brekke, one of the Miami assistant coaches, used to be at Cornell?

Yes. That's why we commented. And then there's the whistle.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:00PM

BU leading PC 1-0, 18 min. left in the 3rd. We like this. Screw BU later.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:37PM

Beeeej
BU leading PC 1-0, 18 min. left in the 3rd. We like this. Screw BU later.
By "later," do you mean "next week"?
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:39PM

BearLover
Beeeej
BU leading PC 1-0, 18 min. left in the 3rd. We like this. Screw BU later.
By "later," do you mean "next week"?

That is exactly what I mean.

 
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Tundra British Columbia Headhunters Circus
Tucson or Bust!

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- Steve Worona
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 09:40PM

Well, if Princeton wins, it may not be next week. We might get Michigan Tech instead.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:14PM

11 of 15 games this weekend were won by the lower seed team. Wow.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:26PM

KenP
11 of 15 games this weekend were won by the lower seed team. Wow.

I don't think the NCAA's are going to be any easier. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Princeton wins a game or two.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:28PM

Swampy
KenP
11 of 15 games this weekend were won by the lower seed team. Wow.

I don't think the NCAA's are going to be any easier. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Princeton wins a game or two.

Five words: University of Maryland, Baltimore County (a.k.a. the University of Meatball with Cheese). Anything can happen.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/17/2018 11:44PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:43PM

can princeton keep winning games with almost no puck control though? i mean really they got 3 goals against us without really even having the puck and then one long breakout pass. its not like they played lock down D either game even though they held teams to low goal totals.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 17, 2018 11:51PM

upprdeck
can princeton keep winning games with almost no puck control though? i mean really they got 3 goals against us without really even having the puck and then one long breakout pass. its not like they played lock down D either game even though they held teams to low goal totals.

I don't think their game is lock down D. I don't think they're good enough for that. I think they block the lanes and jam up in front of the goal when necessary. They seemed to give us many opportunities to take slap shots from a distance but kept us under wraps up close. I also think we made things easier on them by (1) not getting slap shots off quicker and (2) having guys try to puck handle past 2 to 4 Princeton skaters.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 18, 2018 12:21AM

i dont think cornell gets more that 2-300 tickets for this.. Allentown will be tough to get too. does cornell even have a pt system?
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: margolism (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 18, 2018 12:58AM

Based on trends, won’t be until 2028 that Princeton wins another ECAC title.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: RichH (107.77.106.---)
Date: March 18, 2018 01:37AM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Swampy
KenP
11 of 15 games this weekend were won by the lower seed team. Wow.

I don't think the NCAA's are going to be any easier. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Princeton wins a game or two.

Five words: University of Maryland, Baltimore County (a.k.a. the University of Meatball with Cheese). Anything can happen.

I know we played them in lacrosse in recent years. Huh?
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 18, 2018 06:49AM

RichH
Jeff Hopkins '82
Swampy
KenP
11 of 15 games this weekend were won by the lower seed team. Wow.

I don't think the NCAA's are going to be any easier. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Princeton wins a game or two.

Five words: University of Maryland, Baltimore County (a.k.a. the University of Meatball with Cheese). Anything can happen.

I know we played them in lacrosse in recent years. Huh?

They just upset UVa in the NCAA Basketball tourney -A 16 seed beating a 1 seed.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 18, 2018 07:26PM

CHN just tweeted that Donato’s signed a 2-year contract with the Bruins.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Anne 85 (---.bstnma.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 18, 2018 07:39PM

scoop85
CHN just tweeted that Donato’s signed a 2-year contract with the Bruins.
They gave him an A?
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2018 08:16PM

article on donato signing

[www.bostonglobe.com]
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: March 19, 2018 09:00AM

scoop85
CHN just tweeted that Donato’s signed a 2-year contract with the Bruins.

Given that Riley Nash is already on the team, this probably lowers the team's average IQ. popcorn
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: March 19, 2018 12:53PM

Swampy
scoop85
CHN just tweeted that Donato’s signed a 2-year contract with the Bruins.

Given that Riley Nash is already on the team, this probably lowers the team's average IQ. popcorn
welp here come another 5000 posts about statistical analysis

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 19, 2018 09:28PM

Donato scores in NHL debut for Bruins [nhl.nbcsports.com]
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: March 19, 2018 09:34PM

jeff '84
Donato scores in NHL debut for Bruins [nhl.nbcsports.com]

That was a sweet goal. Plus he managed to avoid having to wear #41 or 95 or some weird number- they gave him 17
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 20, 2018 09:11AM

abmarks
Plus he managed to avoid having to wear #41 or 95 or some weird number- they gave him 17
That is important. Players should not wear numbers outside of {2 ... 29}. Retired numbers should expire after, say, 25 years.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/20/2018 09:11AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: RichH (73.114.19.---)
Date: March 20, 2018 09:34AM

Trotsky
abmarks
Plus he managed to avoid having to wear #41 or 95 or some weird number- they gave him 17
That is important. Players should not wear numbers outside of {2 ... 29}. Retired numbers should expire after, say, 25 years.

While I file the permits for the parade I’m having in your honor for this, I’d like to hear the rest of your manifesto.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 20, 2018 09:47AM

RichH
Trotsky
abmarks
Plus he managed to avoid having to wear #41 or 95 or some weird number- they gave him 17
That is important. Players should not wear numbers outside of {2 ... 29}. Retired numbers should expire after, say, 25 years.

While I file the permits for the parade I’m having in your honor for this, I’d like to hear the rest of your manifesto.
The rest is incoherent rambling about Kathryn 2.0.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.37.26.69.virtela.net)
Date: March 20, 2018 12:07PM

RichH
Trotsky
abmarks
Plus he managed to avoid having to wear #41 or 95 or some weird number- they gave him 17
That is important. Players should not wear numbers outside of {2 ... 29}. Retired numbers should expire after, say, 25 years.

While I file the permits for the parade I’m having in your honor for this, I’d like to hear the rest of your manifesto.

I'll allow Jagr to wear #68, since it's for a wonderful reason. Beyond that, I agree with you.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 20, 2018 12:11PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'll allow Jagr to wear #68, since it's for a wonderful reason.
Absolutely. Rusko do prdele.


Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/20/2018 12:16PM by Trotsky.

 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: RichH (134.223.116.---)
Date: March 20, 2018 01:03PM

Trotsky
Jeff Hopkins '82
I'll allow Jagr to wear #68, since it's for a wonderful reason.
Absolutely. Rusko do prdele.

Completely agree.

Generally I let the pros be pros, but in the case of colleges, every time some college kid wears #77, he's saying the back of the jersey is more important than the name on the front.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: cth95 (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: March 21, 2018 10:08PM

Donato is looking like he really might be something special. He has the lone goal so far in the 3rd period of Bruins v. Blues tonight on NBC Sports. This after a goal and 2 assists in his first game. They just showed a stat that Ryan is the first Bruin with 4 points in their first two games since 1980.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: cth95 (---.hsd1.vt.comcast.net)
Date: March 22, 2018 06:47PM

ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 22, 2018 06:55PM

cth95
ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.

[nypost.com]
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 22, 2018 10:07PM

cth95
ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.
Says more about Harvard classes than Donato.

But nothing we didn't already know.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Give My Regards (98.159.213.---)
Date: March 23, 2018 09:40AM

Trotsky
cth95
ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.
Says more about Harvard classes than Donato.

But nothing we didn't already know.

Well, now, you have to sympathize with the guy. If he stopped going to classes, he might wind up with an A-minus or something.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: marty (---.sub-174-203-6.myvzw.com)
Date: March 23, 2018 10:02AM

Trotsky
cth95
ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.
Says more about Harvard classes than Donato.

But nothing we didn't already know.

Says something about our D too!
:-)
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 23, 2018 10:28AM

marty
Trotsky
cth95
ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.
Says more about Harvard classes than Donato.

But nothing we didn't already know.

Says something about our D too!
:-)
That they let in 4 to Princeton?

bolt
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: KenP (137.75.68.---)
Date: March 23, 2018 02:39PM

Trotsky
marty
Trotsky
cth95
ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.
Says more about Harvard classes than Donato.

But nothing we didn't already know.

Says something about our D too!
:-)
That they let in 4 to Princeton?

bolt
(1) Unlucky Bounce + Fluke (2) Breakaway (3) Defense Breakdown (4) ENG
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: March 23, 2018 02:43PM

One goal was on the D. the breakway we had tremendous pressure and were taking pot shots and the puck just deflected into the perfect spot for a breakaway. the bounce was a bad bounce off the boards, a lucky kick off the Attacker skate, then 2 deflections off the Cornell D for an own goal.. Even the empty netter we controlled the puck for almost the 4 min we pulled the goalie and had tons of chances.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: March 23, 2018 02:54PM

KenP
Trotsky
marty
Trotsky
cth95
ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.
Says more about Harvard classes than Donato.

But nothing we didn't already know.

Says something about our D too!
:-)
That they let in 4 to Princeton?

bolt
(1) Unlucky Bounce + Fluke (2) Breakaway (3) Defense Breakdown (4) ENG
Didn't they score 4 in game 1 also?

 
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Jokes and stuff
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 23, 2018 03:42PM

ugarte
KenP
Trotsky
marty
Trotsky
cth95
ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.
Says more about Harvard classes than Donato.

But nothing we didn't already know.

Says something about our D too!
:-)
That they let in 4 to Princeton?

bolt
(1) Unlucky Bounce + Fluke (2) Breakaway (3) Defense Breakdown (4) ENG
Didn't they score 4 in game 1 also?

And your point is?

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.dhcp.nwtw.ct.charter.com)
Date: March 23, 2018 03:42PM

ugarte
KenP
Trotsky
marty
Trotsky
cth95
ESPN's NHL Power Rankings states that Donato is still taking classes at Harvard while he is playing for the Bruins.
Says more about Harvard classes than Donato.

But nothing we didn't already know.

Says something about our D too!
:-)
That they let in 4 to Princeton?

bolt
(1) Unlucky Bounce + Fluke (2) Breakaway (3) Defense Breakdown (4) ENG
Didn't they score 4 in game 1 also?

Yes, but we scored 5.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Iceberg (---.buffalo.rr.com)
Date: March 23, 2018 04:20PM

Not related to any team nearby, but Don Lucia steps down as Minnesota coach. Minnesota hasn't been the same team since their Frozen Four appearance a few years ago.


[www.twincities.com]
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-203-14.myvzw.com)
Date: March 23, 2018 05:16PM

upprdeck
One goal was on the D. the breakway we had tremendous pressure and were taking pot shots and the puck just deflected into the perfect spot for a breakaway. the bounce was a bad bounce off the boards, a lucky kick off the Attacker skate, then 2 deflections off the Cornell D for an own goal.. Even the empty netter we controlled the puck for almost the 4 min we pulled the goalie and had tons of chances.
I don't think the third goal was even a defensive breakdown. I remember McCrea giving Veronneau a bit too much space while skating back in transition but I wouldn't necessarily call it a "breakdown"
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 23, 2018 05:23PM

BearLover
upprdeck
One goal was on the D. the breakway we had tremendous pressure and were taking pot shots and the puck just deflected into the perfect spot for a breakaway. the bounce was a bad bounce off the boards, a lucky kick off the Attacker skate, then 2 deflections off the Cornell D for an own goal.. Even the empty netter we controlled the puck for almost the 4 min we pulled the goalie and had tons of chances.
I don't think the third goal was even a defensive breakdown. I remember McCrea giving Veronneau a bit too much space while skating back in transition but I wouldn't necessarily call it a "breakdown"
My original comment was responding to statement that our D was weak because they gave up 4 goals. He left his guy wide open. IMO blame goes to the defense for that one. The other three goals were not attributable to them.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: March 23, 2018 07:00PM

KenP
BearLover
upprdeck
One goal was on the D. the breakway we had tremendous pressure and were taking pot shots and the puck just deflected into the perfect spot for a breakaway. the bounce was a bad bounce off the boards, a lucky kick off the Attacker skate, then 2 deflections off the Cornell D for an own goal.. Even the empty netter we controlled the puck for almost the 4 min we pulled the goalie and had tons of chances.
I don't think the third goal was even a defensive breakdown. I remember McCrea giving Veronneau a bit too much space while skating back in transition but I wouldn't necessarily call it a "breakdown"
My original comment was responding to statement that our D was weak because they gave up 4 goals. He left his guy wide open. IMO blame goes to the defense for that one. The other three goals were not attributable to them.
They just showed a replay on TV and you're right. Wow, that was way more space than I remembered. The best non-Donato scorer in the league left wide open.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 27, 2018 02:51PM

Lots of ECAC signings.

Brown: McArdle and Lafferty
Colgate: Panowyk
Harvard: Donato (early), Madsen, Sherman, and Horton
Princeton: Robinson and Halford
Quinnipiac: MacMaster, McKernan and the immortal Bo Pieper
RPI: Prapavessis, Wilson, and Liljergren
SLU: Lough
Union: Scarfo and Brassard
Yale: Hitchcock and Larkin
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-203-15.myvzw.com)
Date: March 27, 2018 02:55PM

Trotsky
Lots of ECAC signings.

Brown: McArdle and Lafferty
Colgate: Panowyk
Harvard: Donato (early), Madsen, Sherman, and Horton
Princeton: Robinson and Halford
Quinnipiac: MacMaster, McKernan and the immortal Bo Pieper
RPI: Prapavessis, Wilson, and Liljergren
SLU: Lough
Union: Scarfo and Brassard
Yale: Hitchcock and Larkin
What does bold font indicate?
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 27, 2018 02:56PM

BearLover
Trotsky
Lots of ECAC signings.

Brown: McArdle and Lafferty
Colgate: Panowyk
Harvard: Donato (early), Madsen, Sherman, and Horton
Princeton: Robinson and Halford
Quinnipiac: MacMaster, McKernan and the immortal Bo Pieper
RPI: Prapavessis, Wilson, and Liljergren
SLU: Lough
Union: Scarfo and Brassard
Yale: Hitchcock and Larkin
What does bold font indicate?

Guys I am really glad to see leave. Either Cornell killers or very, very talented players.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 27, 2018 05:08PM

No one has left Cornell because it is a great school.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 27, 2018 06:10PM

Is this the thread where Trotsky wants to know which players are leaving early for his standings predictions? RPI has seven such players, three who are going to greener pastures and four who have been cut. Nothing is official yet but there has been a lot of discussion on USCHO. Eight if you count a goalie who played less than three minutes and will stay in school.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2018 06:11PM by ursusminor.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 27, 2018 06:14PM

Trotsky
BearLover
Trotsky
Lots of ECAC signings.

Brown: McArdle and Lafferty
Colgate: Panowyk
Harvard: Donato (early), Madsen, Sherman, and Horton
Princeton: Robinson and Halford
Quinnipiac: MacMaster, McKernan and the immortal Bo Pieper
RPI: Prapavessis, Wilson, and Liljergren
SLU: Lough
Union: Scarfo and Brassard
Yale: Hitchcock and Larkin
What does bold font indicate?

Guys I am really glad to see leave. Either Cornell killers or very, very talented players.

So Donato is the only non-senior?

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 27, 2018 08:41PM

Jim Hyla
So Donato is the only non-senior?
So far, yes.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 27, 2018 08:43PM

ursusminor
Is this the thread where Trotsky wants to know which players are leaving early for his standings predictions? RPI has seven such players, three who are going to greener pastures and four who have been cut. Nothing is official yet but there has been a lot of discussion on USCHO. Eight if you count a goalie who played less than three minutes and will stay in school.
Nope, that's Early Departures. We don't need a thread for signings because USCHO tracks it now, but we will need to track transfers and, inevitably, Harvard cheating suspensions.

Denver got destroyed.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2018 08:45PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BigRedHockeyFan (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 31, 2018 06:55AM

Rempal signed with LA. He's leaving 2 years early.

[www.uscho.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/31/2018 06:59AM by BigRedHockeyFan.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: April 05, 2018 03:57PM

A surprising departure for one of Clarkson's top freshmen.

And with Rempal's expected departure that was previously announced, Clarkson is losing some of its best firepower.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 05, 2018 04:25PM

scoop85
A surprising departure for one of Clarkson's top freshmen.

And with Rempal's expected departure that was previously announced, Clarkson is losing some of its best firepower.

Wow! We're pretty much the pre-season #1 by default now.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/05/2018 04:34PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 05, 2018 09:25PM

Angello is gone.. so hope the new kids are good.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: pfibiger (---.res.spectrum.com)
Date: April 10, 2018 02:10PM

Bret Brekke is one of two finalists for the head coaching position at UAF:

[www.newsminer.com]

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: April 17, 2018 09:34PM

marty
BearLover
Also, Miami has decided to fire its assistant coaches and also some of its players.

Brent Brekke!

Brekke is reportedly the new coach at Alaska. Would a road trip be exempt from Ivy game limit?

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: April 17, 2018 10:08PM

Chris '03
marty
BearLover
Also, Miami has decided to fire its assistant coaches and also some of its players.

Brent Brekke!

Brekke is reportedly the new coach at Alaska. Would a road trip be exempt from Ivy game limit?
I'd go, mos def. And not just because I have a friend up there (although that helps).
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.37.26.69.virtela.net)
Date: April 18, 2018 11:22AM

Chris '03
marty
BearLover
Also, Miami has decided to fire its assistant coaches and also some of its players.

Brent Brekke!

Brekke is reportedly the new coach at Alaska. Would a road trip be exempt from Ivy game limit?

Time for a home and home series!
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: April 18, 2018 12:00PM

Chris '03
marty
BearLover
Also, Miami has decided to fire its assistant coaches and also some of its players.

Brent Brekke!

Brekke is reportedly the new coach at Alaska. Would a road trip be exempt from Ivy game limit?

More recent reports are that he turned it down. CHN's story is still live at the original link, but is "unpublished" from the main site.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: jts15 (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: April 18, 2018 04:45PM

espn 104.5 in Albany is running a commercial for tomorrow's local show with Roger Wyland that they will speak with Rick Bennett about the prospect of him joining the NY Rangers. I will post what they have to say if I happen to listen to it but I probably won't be able to.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 19, 2018 07:31AM

jts15
espn 104.5 in Albany is running a commercial for tomorrow's local show with Roger Wyland that they will speak with Rick Bennett about the prospect of him joining the NY Rangers. I will post what they have to say if I happen to listen to it but I probably won't be able to.

The second most despicable person in the western hemisphere? The Rangers wouldn't stoop that low, would they?
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: marty (161.11.160.---)
Date: April 19, 2018 07:32AM

jts15
espn 104.5 in Albany is running a commercial for tomorrow's local show with Roger Wyland that they will speak with Rick Bennett about the prospect of him joining the NY Rangers. I will post what they have to say if I happen to listen to it but I probably won't be able to.

You can listen to the stream here.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: marty (161.11.160.---)
Date: April 19, 2018 10:40AM

marty
jts15
espn 104.5 in Albany is running a commercial for tomorrow's local show with Roger Wyland that they will speak with Rick Bennett about the prospect of him joining the NY Rangers. I will post what they have to say if I happen to listen to it but I probably won't be able to.

You can listen to the stream here.

Bad news. The big jerk didn't even get a call from the Rangers per interview. We're stuck with his oafish blathering in the ECAC.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 19, 2018 11:30AM

marty
marty
jts15
espn 104.5 in Albany is running a commercial for tomorrow's local show with Roger Wyland that they will speak with Rick Bennett about the prospect of him joining the NY Rangers. I will post what they have to say if I happen to listen to it but I probably won't be able to.

You can listen to the stream here.

Bad news. The big jerk didn't even get a call from the Rangers per interview. We're stuck with his oafish blathering in the ECAC.
As long as Pecknold is with us Bennett is still not the worst.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: April 26, 2018 09:50AM

Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (74.119.161.---)
Date: April 26, 2018 10:41AM

Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-203-4.myvzw.com)
Date: April 26, 2018 11:48AM

Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: April 26, 2018 12:04PM

BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.

Why, just because that's how it's been since the ECAC tourney went from 10 teams to 12 in 2003? Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four. And while it's not as shocking an upset, in 2007 #4 Cornell also gets a bye then drops two straight at home to #5 Quinnipiac.

 
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Tucson or Bust!

"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: April 26, 2018 01:49PM

I wish we'd go back to 8. Hitherto I assumed it would never happen because C.R.E.A.M. but given this maybe it's possible.

There's been greater mobility in the conference which refutes the rationale for playoff expansion: that perennial second-division teams never get a chance to host the playoffs.

Top 4 finishes since 2006:

9 Cor
8 Uni
6 Hvd
6 Yal
5 Cgt
5 SLU
4 Qpc
3 Clk
3 Drt
2 Prn
1 RPI
0 Brn
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BearLover (---.sub-174-203-4.myvzw.com)
Date: April 26, 2018 03:36PM

Beeeej
BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.

Why, just because that's how it's been since the ECAC tourney went from 10 teams to 12 in 2003? Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four. And while it's not as shocking an upset, in 2007 #4 Cornell also gets a bye then drops two straight at home to #5 Quinnipiac.
Not because it's how things have been, but because it rewards teams who finish highly in the conference. It's strange to eliminate four teams from the playoffs, thereby increasing the important of the regular season for those at the bottom of the standings, while decreasing the importance for those at the top. Selfishly, this would also hurt Cornell.

Re: byes not being a guarantee of anything, that's true (as it should be), but those two instances you cited are the only two from the 12 times Cornell has earned a bye in the current playoff format that it did not win the quarterfinals.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: April 26, 2018 03:58PM

BearLover
Beeeej
BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.

Why, just because that's how it's been since the ECAC tourney went from 10 teams to 12 in 2003? Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four. And while it's not as shocking an upset, in 2007 #4 Cornell also gets a bye then drops two straight at home to #5 Quinnipiac.
Not because it's how things have been, but because it rewards teams who finish highly in the conference. It's strange to eliminate four teams from the playoffs, thereby increasing the important of the regular season for those at the bottom of the standings, while decreasing the importance for those at the top. Selfishly, this would also hurt Cornell.

Re: byes not being a guarantee of anything, that's true (as it should be), but those two instances you cited are the only two from the 12 times Cornell has earned a bye in the current playoff format that it did not win the quarterfinals.

You say it's strange to increase the importance of the regular season for those at the bottom of the standing, but it seems strange because you're looking at it in terms of the current format being the status quo ante. What was strange to me - downright absurd - was expanding the field to twelve teams in the first place, thus drastically decreasing the importance of the regular season for all twelve teams. Of course programs naturally still want to jockey for home ice and other advantages of finishing higher, but if they wanted, they could literally sit and spin on the ice and do nothing for 29-32 games and still make the conference playoffs. Even fifteen years later I think that's moronic. Reducing to 8 teams wouldn't decrease the importance of the regular season to the top four teams, it would simply change the palette of advantages gained by finishing near the top.

During the thirteen years of two different 10-team playoff formats, every time Cornell hosted the quarters (or "quints" ), even without the advantage of being a bye team hosting a non-bye team, they won. It's a small sample size, but 10 for 12 isn't much bigger.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: April 27, 2018 08:24AM

Beeeej
Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four.

Certainly my right honourable friend will recall that we were without the services of Ryan Vesce, captain and second in points that season, for games two and three, and that he was "not 100%" in any way for game one.

Not an excuse, though.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: April 27, 2018 08:34AM

Scersk '97
Beeeej
Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four.

Certainly my right honourable friend will recall that we were without the services of Ryan Vesce, captain and second in points that season, for games two and three, and that he was "not 100%" in any way for game one.

Not an excuse, though.

I couldn't forget if I wanted to. But even that is a strong argument that a bye isn't everything it's cracked up to be - we couldn't get our captain healthy and keep him healthy with two weeks off.

 
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Tundra British Columbia Headhunters Circus
Tucson or Bust!

"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: April 28, 2018 11:23PM

BearLover
Beeeej
BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.

Why, just because that's how it's been since the ECAC tourney went from 10 teams to 12 in 2003? Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four. And while it's not as shocking an upset, in 2007 #4 Cornell also gets a bye then drops two straight at home to #5 Quinnipiac.
Not because it's how things have been, but because it rewards teams who finish highly in the conference. It's strange to eliminate four teams from the playoffs, thereby increasing the important of the regular season for those at the bottom of the standings, while decreasing the importance for those at the top. Selfishly, this would also hurt Cornell.

Re: byes not being a guarantee of anything, that's true (as it should be), but those two instances you cited are the only two from the 12 times Cornell has earned a bye in the current playoff format that it did not win the quarterfinals.

I find this whole argument a bit odd, because and eight-team format would still have a reward for finishing in the top four: home ice in the quarterfinals.

Actually, it's been pointed out that the "old" (non-final-five) 10-team format had a benefit for each pair of spots in the standings: finishing 10th got you in the playoffs, finishing 8th got you home ice in the Tuesday night preliminary game, finishing 6th let you avoid the prelim and go straight to the quarterfinals, finishing 4th got you home ice in the quarters, and finishing 2nd got you a quarterfinal series against a team that had played an extra game Tuesday night. As it turns out, that last advantage came with the disadvantage that the top two finishers didn't know which opponent to prepare for until Wednesday, so the coaches apparently didn't like the format.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: April 29, 2018 01:27PM

jtwcornell91
BearLover
Beeeej
BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.

Why, just because that's how it's been since the ECAC tourney went from 10 teams to 12 in 2003? Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four. And while it's not as shocking an upset, in 2007 #4 Cornell also gets a bye then drops two straight at home to #5 Quinnipiac.
Not because it's how things have been, but because it rewards teams who finish highly in the conference. It's strange to eliminate four teams from the playoffs, thereby increasing the important of the regular season for those at the bottom of the standings, while decreasing the importance for those at the top. Selfishly, this would also hurt Cornell.

Re: byes not being a guarantee of anything, that's true (as it should be), but those two instances you cited are the only two from the 12 times Cornell has earned a bye in the current playoff format that it did not win the quarterfinals.

I find this whole argument a bit odd, because and eight-team format would still have a reward for finishing in the top four: home ice in the quarterfinals.

Actually, it's been pointed out that the "old" (non-final-five) 10-team format had a benefit for each pair of spots in the standings: finishing 10th got you in the playoffs, finishing 8th got you home ice in the Tuesday night preliminary game, finishing 6th let you avoid the prelim and go straight to the quarterfinals, finishing 4th got you home ice in the quarters, and finishing 2nd got you a quarterfinal series against a team that had played an extra game Tuesday night. As it turns out, that last advantage came with the disadvantage that the top two finishers didn't know which opponent to prepare for until Wednesday, so the coaches apparently didn't like the format.
Yeah I guess I'm assuming home ice isn't a significant advantage. If that's true, then changing to an 8-team format shifts the big incentive from the top 4 to the bottom 4. With that said, the current reward for a top-4 finish of home ice + week off to rest your players + no chance of being upset in the fist round might just be too good to the point of being unfair.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ipcom.comunitel.net)
Date: April 29, 2018 02:27PM

BearLover
jtwcornell91
BearLover
Beeeej
BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.

Why, just because that's how it's been since the ECAC tourney went from 10 teams to 12 in 2003? Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four. And while it's not as shocking an upset, in 2007 #4 Cornell also gets a bye then drops two straight at home to #5 Quinnipiac.
Not because it's how things have been, but because it rewards teams who finish highly in the conference. It's strange to eliminate four teams from the playoffs, thereby increasing the important of the regular season for those at the bottom of the standings, while decreasing the importance for those at the top. Selfishly, this would also hurt Cornell.

Re: byes not being a guarantee of anything, that's true (as it should be), but those two instances you cited are the only two from the 12 times Cornell has earned a bye in the current playoff format that it did not win the quarterfinals.

I find this whole argument a bit odd, because and eight-team format would still have a reward for finishing in the top four: home ice in the quarterfinals.

Actually, it's been pointed out that the "old" (non-final-five) 10-team format had a benefit for each pair of spots in the standings: finishing 10th got you in the playoffs, finishing 8th got you home ice in the Tuesday night preliminary game, finishing 6th let you avoid the prelim and go straight to the quarterfinals, finishing 4th got you home ice in the quarters, and finishing 2nd got you a quarterfinal series against a team that had played an extra game Tuesday night. As it turns out, that last advantage came with the disadvantage that the top two finishers didn't know which opponent to prepare for until Wednesday, so the coaches apparently didn't like the format.
Yeah I guess I'm assuming home ice isn't a significant advantage. If that's true, then changing to an 8-team format shifts the big incentive from the top 4 to the bottom 4. With that said, the current reward for a top-4 finish of home ice + week off to rest your players + no chance of being upset in the fist round might just be too good to the point of being unfair.
The critical point that goes right over your head is that teams that finish ninth through twelfth in a twelve-team league have no business being in a post-season tournament, just like teams that finish fifth through seventh don't play in the Ivy lacrosse tournament and teams that finish fifth through eighth don't play in the Ivy basketball tournament.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.ftas.verizon.net)
Date: April 29, 2018 03:49PM

Al DeFlorio
BearLover
jtwcornell91
BearLover
Beeeej
BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.

Why, just because that's how it's been since the ECAC tourney went from 10 teams to 12 in 2003? Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four. And while it's not as shocking an upset, in 2007 #4 Cornell also gets a bye then drops two straight at home to #5 Quinnipiac.
Not because it's how things have been, but because it rewards teams who finish highly in the conference. It's strange to eliminate four teams from the playoffs, thereby increasing the important of the regular season for those at the bottom of the standings, while decreasing the importance for those at the top. Selfishly, this would also hurt Cornell.

Re: byes not being a guarantee of anything, that's true (as it should be), but those two instances you cited are the only two from the 12 times Cornell has earned a bye in the current playoff format that it did not win the quarterfinals.

I find this whole argument a bit odd, because and eight-team format would still have a reward for finishing in the top four: home ice in the quarterfinals.

Actually, it's been pointed out that the "old" (non-final-five) 10-team format had a benefit for each pair of spots in the standings: finishing 10th got you in the playoffs, finishing 8th got you home ice in the Tuesday night preliminary game, finishing 6th let you avoid the prelim and go straight to the quarterfinals, finishing 4th got you home ice in the quarters, and finishing 2nd got you a quarterfinal series against a team that had played an extra game Tuesday night. As it turns out, that last advantage came with the disadvantage that the top two finishers didn't know which opponent to prepare for until Wednesday, so the coaches apparently didn't like the format.
Yeah I guess I'm assuming home ice isn't a significant advantage. If that's true, then changing to an 8-team format shifts the big incentive from the top 4 to the bottom 4. With that said, the current reward for a top-4 finish of home ice + week off to rest your players + no chance of being upset in the fist round might just be too good to the point of being unfair.
The critical point that goes right over your head is that teams that finish ninth through twelfth in a twelve-team league have no business being in a post-season tournament, just like teams that finish fifth through seventh don't play in the Ivy lacrosse tournament and teams that finish fifth through eighth don't play in the Ivy basketball tournament.
I know it's en vogue to trash me on here, but there are other "critical points" to consider, such as rewarding teams for having great regular seasons.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.red-81-37-108.dynamicip.rima-tde.net)
Date: April 30, 2018 01:11AM

BearLover
Al DeFlorio
BearLover
jtwcornell91
BearLover
Beeeej
BearLover
Al DeFlorio
Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.

Why, just because that's how it's been since the ECAC tourney went from 10 teams to 12 in 2003? Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four. And while it's not as shocking an upset, in 2007 #4 Cornell also gets a bye then drops two straight at home to #5 Quinnipiac.
Not because it's how things have been, but because it rewards teams who finish highly in the conference. It's strange to eliminate four teams from the playoffs, thereby increasing the important of the regular season for those at the bottom of the standings, while decreasing the importance for those at the top. Selfishly, this would also hurt Cornell.

Re: byes not being a guarantee of anything, that's true (as it should be), but those two instances you cited are the only two from the 12 times Cornell has earned a bye in the current playoff format that it did not win the quarterfinals.

I find this whole argument a bit odd, because and eight-team format would still have a reward for finishing in the top four: home ice in the quarterfinals.

Actually, it's been pointed out that the "old" (non-final-five) 10-team format had a benefit for each pair of spots in the standings: finishing 10th got you in the playoffs, finishing 8th got you home ice in the Tuesday night preliminary game, finishing 6th let you avoid the prelim and go straight to the quarterfinals, finishing 4th got you home ice in the quarters, and finishing 2nd got you a quarterfinal series against a team that had played an extra game Tuesday night. As it turns out, that last advantage came with the disadvantage that the top two finishers didn't know which opponent to prepare for until Wednesday, so the coaches apparently didn't like the format.
Yeah I guess I'm assuming home ice isn't a significant advantage. If that's true, then changing to an 8-team format shifts the big incentive from the top 4 to the bottom 4. With that said, the current reward for a top-4 finish of home ice + week off to rest your players + no chance of being upset in the fist round might just be too good to the point of being unfair.
The critical point that goes right over your head is that teams that finish ninth through twelfth in a twelve-team league have no business being in a post-season tournament, just like teams that finish fifth through seventh don't play in the Ivy lacrosse tournament and teams that finish fifth through eighth don't play in the Ivy basketball tournament.
I know it's en vogue to trash me on here, but there are other "critical points" to consider, such as rewarding teams for having great regular seasons.
They would be rewarded by playing the fifth through eighth seeds, likely the teams they would have been playing in the current format anyway. Letting teams with three or four wins in 22 regular-season games play for the league's tournament championship is ridiculous.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Tom Lento (199.201.64.---)
Date: May 02, 2018 04:46PM

Al DeFlorio
BearLover
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jtwcornell91
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Beeeej
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Jim Hyla
Hockey East ADs Vote to Change Playoff Format

"The league's athletic directors, meeting at the annual Coaches' Convention in Naples, Fla., voted this week to eliminate the first round of the Hockey East playoffs, meaning that the top eight teams in the regular-season standings will qualify for the tournament and the bottom three teams will be eliminated."
Smart move. Maybe the ECAC will take note.
Why smart? Shouldn't we have some sort of real reward for the top four finishers (a bye)? Under this proposed new system, the only reward is an easier pairing.

Why, just because that's how it's been since the ECAC tourney went from 10 teams to 12 in 2003? Home ice and an easier pairing is already pretty fantastic, and even the bye isn't a guarantee of anything - witness 2004, #2 Cornell gets a bye then promptly donkeys off a best-of-three against #9 Clarkson just a year after making the Frozen Four. And while it's not as shocking an upset, in 2007 #4 Cornell also gets a bye then drops two straight at home to #5 Quinnipiac.
Not because it's how things have been, but because it rewards teams who finish highly in the conference. It's strange to eliminate four teams from the playoffs, thereby increasing the important of the regular season for those at the bottom of the standings, while decreasing the importance for those at the top. Selfishly, this would also hurt Cornell.

Re: byes not being a guarantee of anything, that's true (as it should be), but those two instances you cited are the only two from the 12 times Cornell has earned a bye in the current playoff format that it did not win the quarterfinals.

I find this whole argument a bit odd, because and eight-team format would still have a reward for finishing in the top four: home ice in the quarterfinals.

Actually, it's been pointed out that the "old" (non-final-five) 10-team format had a benefit for each pair of spots in the standings: finishing 10th got you in the playoffs, finishing 8th got you home ice in the Tuesday night preliminary game, finishing 6th let you avoid the prelim and go straight to the quarterfinals, finishing 4th got you home ice in the quarters, and finishing 2nd got you a quarterfinal series against a team that had played an extra game Tuesday night. As it turns out, that last advantage came with the disadvantage that the top two finishers didn't know which opponent to prepare for until Wednesday, so the coaches apparently didn't like the format.
Yeah I guess I'm assuming home ice isn't a significant advantage. If that's true, then changing to an 8-team format shifts the big incentive from the top 4 to the bottom 4. With that said, the current reward for a top-4 finish of home ice + week off to rest your players + no chance of being upset in the fist round might just be too good to the point of being unfair.
The critical point that goes right over your head is that teams that finish ninth through twelfth in a twelve-team league have no business being in a post-season tournament, just like teams that finish fifth through seventh don't play in the Ivy lacrosse tournament and teams that finish fifth through eighth don't play in the Ivy basketball tournament.
I know it's en vogue to trash me on here, but there are other "critical points" to consider, such as rewarding teams for having great regular seasons.
They would be rewarded by playing the fifth through eighth seeds, likely the teams they would have been playing in the current format anyway. Letting teams with three or four wins in 22 regular-season games play for the league's tournament championship is ridiculous.

I know this is an internet message board, but let's try to ease up on asserting long-held opinions as absolute incontrovertible truth here. Beyond finances and scheduling logistics there isn't really any hard and fast reason for a playoff field to cut off at any particular number of teams, and of course finances and scheduling logistics have basically nothing to do with determining which team is better (except in so far as they act as barriers to doing so - for example, we can't make every playoff series best of 15).

You're free to think a 12 team playoff in a 12 team league is absurd - and FWIW I also find it silly - but it really doesn't matter. The league could go to 10 of 12 and have a 4 team best 2-of-3 play-in (like today, but with the RS taking out the bottom two). Or it could just go to top 4 plays in Placid with no on-campus series. Or it could go to the old-school Ivy League Lax model and just make the RS the only thing that matters (assuming the NCAA would still allow that auto-bid). All of these are just as valid as the current tournament format, and all of them have their good points and their bad points from the perspective of league accolades, league representation in the NCAA tournament, and finding the best team.

If you ask me, and of course nobody did, I think keeping the current scheduling format but shortening it to 10 teams would be just fine. It generates more gate revenue for most teams, it has the "every 2 spot" reward structure JTW pointed out upthread, and it eliminates the "next opponent" uncertainty for the QF bye teams. It gives the kind of RS rewards BearLover is prioritizing while allowing the "playoffs should be restricted" purists to feel a little better about things.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 02, 2018 04:57PM

It was 8 when we were a 17-team league. By that ratio it would be 6. Three on-campus best-of-threes. Three winners advance to Placid, the bottom two play the first night, the winner plays the RS champs the next night. Now every slot starts to be really, really important.
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 19, 2018 02:14PM

ESPNU crawler says Quinn leaving BU for Rangers.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: May 22, 2018 05:20PM

Oliver Wahlstrom, who was a Harvard commit and is almost certain to go in the top-10 in this year's NHL draft, has flipped to BC. Harvard still has an excellent class coming in, but losing Wahlstrom takes a bit of the luster off that class.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: French Rage (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: May 28, 2018 11:58PM

scoop85
Oliver Wahlstrom, who was a Harvard commit and is almost certain to go in the top-10 in this year's NHL draft, has flipped to BC. Harvard still has an excellent class coming in, but losing Wahlstrom takes a bit of the luster off that class.

Good news for his future wife that Oliver will not be playing hockey at Harvard.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 29, 2018 07:40AM

French Rage
scoop85
Oliver Wahlstrom, who was a Harvard commit and is almost certain to go in the top-10 in this year's NHL draft, has flipped to BC. Harvard still has an excellent class coming in, but losing Wahlstrom takes a bit of the luster off that class.

Good news for his future wife that Oliver will not be playing hockey at Harvard.
Preppy!
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: June 02, 2018 05:45PM

scoop85
Oliver Wahlstrom, who was a Harvard commit and is almost certain to go in the top-10 in this year's NHL draft, has flipped to BC. Harvard still has an excellent class coming in, but losing Wahlstrom takes a bit of the luster off that class.
In a Boston Globe article today, Wahlstrom says it came down to Michigan or BC. He apparently lived for awhile in Boston and said he feels he's a Boston kid.

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrk.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 04, 2018 06:55AM

Boston not being Cambridge. Even if Bright-Landry Center is in Boston proper.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: June 04, 2018 12:25PM

billhoward
Boston not being Cambridge. Even if Bright-Landry Center is in Boston proper.

Bright-Landry Center is in the Independently Consolidated Shithole of Allston.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: June 07, 2018 08:11AM

Our government making us safe and helping our economy again:

Phil Roy Leaves Clarkson After Work Visa Denied by U.S. Government

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: June 07, 2018 08:43AM

Jim Hyla
Our government making us safe and helping our economy again:

Phil Roy Leaves Clarkson After Work Visa Denied by U.S. Government

The shit-show that seems to have no end in sight.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: CAS (---.85.43.122.lightower.net)
Date: June 07, 2018 09:02AM

+1 Jim & scoop. Sad
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Iceberg (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 07, 2018 11:10PM

This isn't NCAA related, but I just saw a guy in the audience (not far from the Capitals net ) wearing a Cornell shirt/jersey during the Cup celebrations. Which one of you was it? nut
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: June 08, 2018 09:34AM

scoop85
Jim Hyla
Our government making us safe and helping our economy again:

Phil Roy Leaves Clarkson After Work Visa Denied by U.S. Government

The shit-show that seems to have no end in sight.

If you're registered to vote, there is an end in sight .

 
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: June 08, 2018 10:53AM

Jim Hyla
scoop85
Jim Hyla
Our government making us safe and helping our economy again:

Phil Roy Leaves Clarkson After Work Visa Denied by U.S. Government

The shit-show that seems to have no end in sight.

If you're registered to vote, there is an end in sight .

Because certainly nothing could go wrong with that, right?

 
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Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.37.26.69.virtela.net)
Date: June 08, 2018 12:42PM

Beeeej
Jim Hyla
scoop85
Jim Hyla
Our government making us safe and helping our economy again:

Phil Roy Leaves Clarkson After Work Visa Denied by U.S. Government

The shit-show that seems to have no end in sight.

If you're registered to vote, there is an end in sight .

Because certainly nothing could go wrong with that, right?

Da.
 
Re: Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season
Posted by: drs48 (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
Date: June 08, 2018 08:07PM

Shit show fer sher.......+10
 
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