Opponents News 2: Hockey's the Reason for the Season

tied at 3 and the clock winding down in OT and Clarkson - Princeton have an actual brawl. not sure about punches (i saw a few swings but nothing squared up) but people thrown to the ice. wild.

there were no edits forget what it says down there

ACTUAL EDIT: well i guess the boxscore tells the story of the brawl as Riche of Princeton was hit with a cross-checking major and a DQ.

Gate-Union in OT and Princeton-Clarkson going to OT. Both ties final now.

Sucks loses to Brown.

Duluth crushes Western, 8-0! Wow.

Donato played for Harvard tonight and had a PP goal and an assist. So much for jet lag.

Dartmouth also takes out Yale, so they're locked into the 5th spot and will host SLU next weekend.

Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

BearLover
Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

Forget about it. If they're gonna rape us then they will. All we can do is win.

Trotsky

BearLover
Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

If they're gonna rape us then they will.

wut

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover
Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

If they're gonna rape us then they will.

wut

greg's being hilariously edgy again and it's probably you who doesn't get it

St. Cloud State and Denver heading to OT on CBS Sports Network. A Denver win would vault them back over us and knock us down to #4, so we want St. Cloud or a tie.

ugarte

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover
Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

If they're gonna rape us then they will.

wut

greg's being hilariously edgy again and it's probably you who doesn't get it

I think his joke is historically backwards (and also historically bad) though

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover
Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

If they're gonna rape us then they will.

wut

greg's being hilariously edgy again and it's probably you who doesn't get it

I think his joke is historically backwards (and also historically bad) though

And bearlover once again brings a criticism without offer of something better.

Beeeej
St. Cloud State and Denver heading to OT on CBS Sports Network. A Denver win would vault them back over us and knock us down to #4, so we want St. Cloud or a tie.

Tied after 5-on-5 OT, now going to 3-on-3 OT.

Beeeej
St. Cloud State and Denver heading to OT on CBS Sports Network. A Denver win would vault them back over us and knock us down to #4, so we want St. Cloud or a tie.

Since OT #1 is over, is this game now a tie for RPI calculations ?

marty

Beeeej
St. Cloud State and Denver heading to OT on CBS Sports Network. A Denver win would vault them back over us and knock us down to #4, so we want St. Cloud or a tie.

Since OT #1 is over, is this game now a tie for RPI calculations ?

I believe so, yes. As far as the NCAA is concerned this was a tie.

speculating on what the do with that bracket is still too far away.. In the end they still worry costs too so until all the teams are decided who knows what will happen.

Beeeej

marty

Beeeej
St. Cloud State and Denver heading to OT on CBS Sports Network. A Denver win would vault them back over us and knock us down to #4, so we want St. Cloud or a tie.

Since OT #1 is over, is this game now a tie for RPI calculations ?

I believe so, yes. As far as the NCAA is concerned this was a tie.

Denver scores in the pseudo-OT to get the extra point for standings purposes, but officially it's a 1-1 Final/OT.

abmarks

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover
Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

If they're gonna rape us then they will.

wut

greg's being hilariously edgy again and it's probably you who doesn't get it

I think his joke is historically backwards (and also historically bad) though

And bearlover once again brings a criticism without offer of something better.

And like a predictive model that relies on KRACH, no rape joke is better than any rape joke

BearLover

abmarks

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover
Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

If they're gonna rape us then they will.

wut

greg's being hilariously edgy again and it's probably you who doesn't get it

I think his joke is historically backwards (and also historically bad) though

And bearlover once again brings a criticism without offer of something better.

And like a predictive model that relies on KRACH, no rape joke is better than any rape joke

Rape jokes: forever funnier and yet more informative than a bearlover post

BearLover
Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

I wonder if, instead of shipping us out west AND shipping a western team east all to take care of a 4 seed NoDak team, they would just swap NoDak with the 3. The Atlantic Hockey winner will be the 16 seed, right? So NoDak would be, at lowest, 15. Swapping them with the 12 seems less disruptive than putting two 1 seeds in wrong time zones.

Then again, maybe the 5 is also in NoDak's conference.

Right now, with Mankato one if the top 4, it's likely they'll get to be the sacrificial lamb for NoDak. They aren't in the same conf. as NoDak so it's OK if they play each other in the first round. That's a bit of a screw-over for St.Cloud fans, since they'll have to come east, but I'd rather travel and play AHA than stay close to home and play a "home" game at NoDak.

If Denver moves back up to #4, it gets dicey for us since neither St.Cloud nor Denver can play NoDak in round 1. In that case, the lower seed of Notre Dame or us probably gets screwed.

OTOH, if NoDak moves up to 12th, then which of the top 4 play them is irrelevant (duh!). They can seed the top 4 strictly on geography. This is why I've been saying we want NoDak to keep winning (or to crash out of the tourney entirely). But this hovering around 12 and 13 is nerve-wracking.

And if something should happen and we drop into the 5-8 band, I'd have to hope that with the dearth of eastern teams in the tourney, they'd try to keep us east for attendance. But I don't really want to think like that. Just win, baby.

BearLover

ugarte

BearLover

Trotsky

BearLover
Nice OT win over North Dakota for Miami, which helps us in the Pairwise...but isn't a first-round road game vs ND becoming increasingly likely?

If they're gonna rape us then they will.

wut

greg's being hilariously edgy again and it's probably you who doesn't get it

I think his joke is historically backwards (and also historically bad) though

You can't hold a really good auto da fe unless the subject is present.

I withdraw the terrible word choice.


If they're going to screw us then they will.


I respect every one of the outraged exactly to the degree he has done something of substance in his life to help women victims. Surely none of you are hypocrites.

As I mentioned in the Union game thread - after the loss we're still miraculously #3 in the PWR, by one ten-thousandth of a point over Minnesota State, who is currently down 0-1 to Bemidji State in the second. We also still want Denver to lose if possible; they're down 1-2 to SCSU in the second.

1st ECAC round is set.


SLU/Dartmouth
RPI/Colgate
Brown/Princeton
QU/Yale

St. Cloud beats Denver 4-2 and Bemidji ties Mankato.

We stay in 3rd by 0.003 over Mankato with Denver 5th.

Jeff Hopkins '82
St. Cloud beats Denver 4-2 and Bemidji ties Mankato.

We stay in 3rd by 0.003 over Mankato with Denver 5th.

Cornell is fortunate that Denver and Notre Dame lost. Mankato tie also gave Cornell a little breathing room. All things considered, the lost to Union wasn't too bad.

redliner

Jeff Hopkins '82
St. Cloud beats Denver 4-2 and Bemidji ties Mankato.

We stay in 3rd by 0.003 over Mankato with Denver 5th.

Cornell is fortunate that Denver and Notre Dame lost. Mankato tie also gave Cornell a little breathing room. All things considered, the lost to Union wasn't too bad.

and a win over union would have flipped the RPI comparison with Notre dame and placed us in solid second chasing st cloud. instead we are barely hanging on to a top-4 position. I don't need to remind you all how poorly Cornell has played in the NCAAs with the exception of the 02-03 run to the frozen four. we need to do the best we can to get the best seed and the best geographic and opponent draw we can. so you bring your A-game every night and challenge other teams to beat you. we aren't saving galadja like he's some trick play cooked up by boise state for a bowl game. you can bet union is watching tape of galadja's games. barring extenuating circumstances, you don't bench the best goaltender in the country to reward a senior in an away game at that, when you are chasing the championship

A-19

redliner

Jeff Hopkins '82
St. Cloud beats Denver 4-2 and Bemidji ties Mankato.

We stay in 3rd by 0.003 over Mankato with Denver 5th.

Cornell is fortunate that Denver and Notre Dame lost. Mankato tie also gave Cornell a little breathing room. All things considered, the lost to Union wasn't too bad.

and a win over union would have flipped the RPI comparison with Notre dame and placed us in solid second chasing st cloud. instead we are barely hanging on to a top-4 position. I don't need to remind you all how poorly Cornell has played in the NCAAs with the exception of the 02-03 run to the frozen four.

To quote Mr. Marks, what are you smoking? A comeback win from down 0-2 against Ohio State, then an overtime loss to Minnesota literally on their home ice in 2005? A comeback win from down 0-2 against Colorado College, then a triple-overtime loss to eventual national champion Wisconsin, in Wisconsin, in 2006? A comeback win from down 0-2 against Northeastern in 2009? (Okay, the next night sucked, at least hockey-wise.) An exciting OT win against Michigan, followed by a hard-fought one-goal loss to Ferris State in 2012? 2010 and last year are the only complete suckage in the NCAA tourney that I can remember since 2003.

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redliner

Jeff Hopkins '82
St. Cloud beats Denver 4-2 and Bemidji ties Mankato.

We stay in 3rd by 0.003 over Mankato with Denver 5th.

Cornell is fortunate that Denver and Notre Dame lost. Mankato tie also gave Cornell a little breathing room. All things considered, the lost to Union wasn't too bad.

and a win over union would have flipped the RPI comparison with Notre dame and placed us in solid second chasing st cloud. instead we are barely hanging on to a top-4 position. I don't need to remind you all how poorly Cornell has played in the NCAAs with the exception of the 02-03 run to the frozen four. we need to do the best we can to get the best seed and the best geographic and opponent draw we can. so you bring your A-game every night and challenge other teams to beat you. we aren't saving galadja like he's some trick play cooked up by boise state for a bowl game. you can bet union is watching tape of galadja's games. barring extenuating circumstances, you don't bench the best goaltender in the country to reward a senior in an away game at that, when you are chasing the championship

Eh, I would agree with you if Stewart had something like a 3.20 GAA and .870 save percentage coming into the game, but he had been solid in his relatively few opportunities this year.

if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently. talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

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if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently. talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

Our academic and hockey prestige and the advantages those bring us in landing recruits notwithstanding, Cornell will never make the frozen four consistently because we cannot offer scholarships. Period. Stop whining and be realistic.

A-19
if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently. talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

No way we will consistently compete with the “big nationals”. We aren’t going to put that many resources into it, nor lower our admission standards. We should hope to get to NCAAs and sometimes to FF. And before their new coach, Denver had a dry spell. No one is consistent, ask Q.

We are 8-10 in the NCAAs under Schafer. Of note, one of our first-round NCAA losses was Schafer's first year with McCutcheon's players. The other two were in 2010 and 2017 under an "improved ECAC." Our only Frozen Four appearance was when the ECAC stunk.

I don't want the ECAC to completely stink and the sample size is far too small to reach any conclusions. But there is no evidence Cornell was never capable of winning a national championship, or that it's more nationally competitive as its conference improves. I think if things continued as they had in the mid-2000s we would have won a national title at some point.

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if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently. talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

Take your derp back to the WEEI Hot Takes. We won several games in those NC$$s and were close in several others. Your "winning is the only thing" hurr-durr is risible braindead posturing.

We obviously always want to win, but shitting on the accomplishments of those teams is just sad sack front running. Save it for the Bruins or the Red Sox.

no it's cool let's pat ourselves on the back for trying. everyone gets a trophy

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no it's cool let's pat ourselves on the back for trying. everyone gets a trophy

It is your choice to be happy or unhappy.

BearLover
I don't want the ECAC to completely stink and the sample size is far too small to reach any conclusions. But there is no evidence Cornell was never capable of winning a national championship, or that it's more nationally competitive as its conference improves. I think if things continued as they had in the mid-2000s we would have won a national title at some point.

You're full of beans. And have become even more annoying recently. Sorry to have to say it.

Al DeFlorio

BearLover
I don't want the ECAC to completely stink and the sample size is far too small to reach any conclusions. But there is no evidence Cornell was never capable of winning a national championship, or that it's more nationally competitive as its conference improves. I think if things continued as they had in the mid-2000s we would have won a national title at some point.

You're full of beans. And have become even more annoying recently. Sorry to have to say it.

Given that some here are saying we were never championship contenders, it's fair to point out that we were. Taking the eventual champions to triple-overtime means we had a team good enough to win it all.

Tournaments are crapshoots.

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no it's cool let's pat ourselves on the back for trying. everyone gets a trophy

Did I say WEEI? I meant RedState.

Al DeFlorio

BearLover
I don't want the ECAC to completely stink and the sample size is far too small to reach any conclusions. But there is no evidence Cornell was never capable of winning a national championship, or that it's more nationally competitive as its conference improves. I think if things continued as they had in the mid-2000s we would have won a national title at some point.

You're full of beans. And have become even more annoying recently. Sorry to have to say it.

Lmao, what issue do you even have with that highlighted quote? In five years: two NCAA three-seeds, a two-seed, a first overall-seed, two ECAC championships, making the Frozen Four (losing on a disputed call), losing in OT one year and triple OT to the champs another year, never exiting in the first round, having like fifteen NHL draft picks on those teams, having three Hobey finalists, need I go on? Those teams were extremely good and could have won a national title. Sorry if that annoys you.

Our best team since the 70's lost in the semifinals because of a bad first period that included a bullshit call that waved off a goal and a miracle save in the closing seconds. That was our championship team.

The Wisconsin and Minnesota teams we lost to in 3OT/OT were both better than our teams that year, and we essentially played them to a draw on the road. Thinking it is revisionist history or satisfaction with failure to be honest about those years is insane.

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redliner

Jeff Hopkins '82
St. Cloud beats Denver 4-2 and Bemidji ties Mankato.

We stay in 3rd by 0.003 over Mankato with Denver 5th.

Cornell is fortunate that Denver and Notre Dame lost. Mankato tie also gave Cornell a little breathing room. All things considered, the lost to Union wasn't too bad.

and a win over union would have flipped the RPI comparison with Notre dame and placed us in solid second chasing st cloud. instead we are barely hanging on to a top-4 position. I don't need to remind you all how poorly Cornell has played in the NCAAs with the exception of the 02-03 run to the frozen four. we need to do the best we can to get the best seed and the best geographic and opponent draw we can. so you bring your A-game every night and challenge other teams to beat you. we aren't saving galadja like he's some trick play cooked up by boise state for a bowl game. you can bet union is watching tape of galadja's games. barring extenuating circumstances, you don't bench the best goaltender in the country to reward a senior in an away game at that, when you are chasing the championship

Apparently, you do. Sunday afternoon coaching 101.

Princeton - Clarkson 2/23/18 - Complete game

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Quinnipiac - Clarkson 2/24/18 - Complete game

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BigRedHockeyFan
Princeton - Clarkson 2/23/18 - Complete game

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Quinnipiac - Clarkson 2/24/18 - Complete game

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not that there is anything wrong with posting links to the clarkson archives per se but ... why?

Trotsky

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if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently. talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

Take your derp back to the WEEI Hot Takes. We won several games in those NC$$s and were close in several others. Your "winning is the only thing" hurr-durr is risible braindead posturing.

It's also amazing how quickly he moved the goalposts from:

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how poorly Cornell has played in the NCAAs with the exception of the 02-03 run to the frozen four

to "celebrate losses" after I pointed out how many times we'd won in the first round between 2002-03 and now because we played really fucking well. This is the first year in forever that we've had a record this beautiful - and all of a sudden you're so spoiled that coming close isn't good enough anymore, we should be making the Frozen Four every year with no academic scholarships and massively higher academic standards?

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if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently. talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

This take is off-the-charts awful

adamw

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if we are going to compete with the big national programs we need to do more than celebrate losses in the NCAA regionals. teams like nodal and Minny and bc and Denver are making the frozen four consistently. talking about how close we got doesn't cut it anymore.

This take is off-the-charts awful

We'v had a lot of that here lately.

Some quotes from USCHO TMQ.

I think Cornell could be a strong favorite in the ECAC based on how well this team played during the season, but you have so many others who could compete. Harvard may be looking at its final games with Ryan Donato and have always been a strong postseason team. Clarkson is so strong and will be an NCAA team. Even sixth-seeded Dartmouth had some great games down the stretch.

Really, Harvard always a strong post-season team?

Dartmouth is fifth.

Editors are needed.

Oh well!

Jim Hyla
Some quotes from USCHO TMQ.

I think Cornell could be a strong favorite in the ECAC based on how well this team played during the season, but you have so many others who could compete. Harvard may be looking at its final games with Ryan Donato and have always been a strong postseason team. Clarkson is so strong and will be an NCAA team. Even sixth-seeded Dartmouth had some great games down the stretch.

Really, Harvard always a strong post-season team?

Dartmouth is fifth.

Editors are needed.

Oh well!

I read that article and thought "Not a mention of Union?" They have no credibility.

Obviously all games are important this time of year but here are a few OOC series to watch for their direct impact to Cornell in the NC$$ Tourney:

"Important" Games
WCHA -- Michigan Tech vs Minnesota State -- MSU is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed
NCHC -- Nebraska Omaha vs North Dakota -- both teams are on the bubble. A North Dakota loss will go a long way to Cornell avoiding a trip to Sioux Falls
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Penn State vs Notre Dame -- At this point Penn State is a virtual lock for the tournament. Better to have them win and hurt the Irish who are vying for a #1 seed
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Michigan vs Ohio State -- Ohio State is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed

Other Games to watch
NCHC -- Colorado College vs Denver -- Denver still has an outside shot at #1 seed but this series has less as impact than other results
NCHC -- Miami vs St. Could State -- Miami wins will help our RPI
Hockey East -- UConn vs Boston University -- BU wins will help our RPI (but will also help MSU-Mankato)
Atlantic -- American Int'l vs Canisius -- Canisius wins will help our RPI
ECAC - Dartmouth played Denver. If they lose it will lower Denver’s RPI but not impact us or Notre Dame of MSU. Call it a silver lining to the cloud if Sucks wins.

KenP
Obviously all games are important this time of year but here are a few OOC series to watch for their direct impact to Cornell in the NC$$ Tourney:

"Important" Games
WCHA -- Michigan Tech vs Minnesota State -- MSU is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed
NCHC -- Nebraska Omaha vs North Dakota -- both teams are on the bubble. A North Dakota loss will go a long way to Cornell avoiding a trip to Sioux Falls
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Penn State vs Notre Dame -- At this point Penn State is a virtual lock for the tournament. Better to have them win and hurt the Irish who are vying for a #1 seed
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Michigan vs Ohio State -- Ohio State is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed

Other Games to watch
NCHC -- Colorado College vs Denver -- Denver still has an outside shot at #1 seed but this series has less as impact than other results
NCHC -- Miami vs St. Could State -- Miami wins will help our RPI
Hockey East -- UConn vs Boston University -- BU wins will help our RPI
Atlantic -- American Int'l vs Canisius -- Canisius wins will help our RPI

Nice, thanks

KenP
Obviously all games are important this time of year but here are a few OOC series to watch for their direct impact to Cornell in the NC$$ Tourney:

"Important" Games
WCHA -- Michigan Tech vs Minnesota State -- MSU is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed
NCHC -- Nebraska Omaha vs North Dakota -- both teams are on the bubble. A North Dakota loss will go a long way to Cornell avoiding a trip to Sioux Falls
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Penn State vs Notre Dame -- At this point Penn State is a virtual lock for the tournament. Better to have them win and hurt the Irish who are vying for a #1 seed
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Michigan vs Ohio State -- Ohio State is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed

Other Games to watch
NCHC -- Colorado College vs Denver -- Denver still has an outside shot at #1 seed but this series has less as impact than other results
NCHC -- Miami vs St. Could State -- Miami wins will help our RPI
Hockey East -- UConn vs Boston University -- BU wins will help our RPI (but will also help MSU-Mankato)
Atlantic -- American Int'l vs Canisius -- Canisius wins will help our RPI
ECAC - Dartmouth played Denver. If they lose it will lower Denver’s RPI but not impact us or Notre Dame of MSU. Call it a silver lining to the cloud if Sucks wins.

Mankato, NoDak, and St. Cloud all won in the “bad news” side. CC, BU, & Canisius all won (Canisius only won 8-1), and it’s always good news when Harvard loses.

According to CHN, Notre Dame leads Cornell in RPI 0.5797 to 0.5796 after Friday’s games. Clarkson is down to #12. They’re guaranteed to lose at most one game before the selections, so they’ve got that going for them. (?)

RichH

KenP
Obviously all games are important this time of year but here are a few OOC series to watch for their direct impact to Cornell in the NC$$ Tourney:

"Important" Games
WCHA -- Michigan Tech vs Minnesota State -- MSU is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed
NCHC -- Nebraska Omaha vs North Dakota -- both teams are on the bubble. A North Dakota loss will go a long way to Cornell avoiding a trip to Sioux Falls
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Penn State vs Notre Dame -- At this point Penn State is a virtual lock for the tournament. Better to have them win and hurt the Irish who are vying for a #1 seed
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Michigan vs Ohio State -- Ohio State is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed

Other Games to watch
NCHC -- Colorado College vs Denver -- Denver still has an outside shot at #1 seed but this series has less as impact than other results
NCHC -- Miami vs St. Could State -- Miami wins will help our RPI
Hockey East -- UConn vs Boston University -- BU wins will help our RPI (but will also help MSU-Mankato)
Atlantic -- American Int'l vs Canisius -- Canisius wins will help our RPI
ECAC - Dartmouth played Denver. If they lose it will lower Denver’s RPI but not impact us or Notre Dame of MSU. Call it a silver lining to the cloud if Sucks wins.

Mankato, NoDak, and St. Cloud all won in the “bad news” side. CC, BU, & Canisius all won (Canisius only won 8-1), and it’s always good news when Harvard loses.

According to CHN, Notre Dame leads Cornell in RPI 0.5797 to 0.5796 after Friday’s games. Clarkson is down to #12. They’re guaranteed to lose at most one game before the selections, so they’ve got that going for them. (?)

With the Denver loss it essentially is a 4-horse race for the last three #1 seeds. I won’t call it percentage but our “likelihood score” for a #1 seed increased fron 71 to 82. I like that trend.

KenP
With the Denver loss it essentially is a 4-horse race for the last three #1 seeds. I won’t call it percentage but our “likelihood score” for a #1 seed increased fron 71 to 82. I like that trend.

By these numbers:

.88 Notre Dame
.82 Cornell
.81 Mankato
.55 Ohio State

I don't know why the line on that table is after 14. Atlantic is the one conference whose highest team is outside the top 16, so why isn't the line after 15? All I got is the line movers for HE have a > .50 chance of winning the AQ.

NoDak must go down and they must go down hard. BU, BC, and NMU are the best bets, unless UNO can handle it directly.

Very sad, but we can help. Rensselaer assistant coach Graham struck by car, in ICU at Albany Medical Hospital and RPI Assistant Coach Struck By Vehicle, In Intensive Care.

Here's the GoFundMe page. Looks like the community has already been generous. Hope and suspect that a goodly amount was from the hockey community. Give as generously as you can.

Jim Hyla
Very sad, but we can help. Rensselaer assistant coach Graham struck by car, in ICU at Albany Medical Hospital and RPI Assistant Coach Struck By Vehicle, In Intensive Care.

Here's the GoFundMe page. Looks like the community has already been generous. Hope and suspect that a goodly amount was from the hockey community. Give as generously as you can.

Guy fractures his skull, needs money for therapy to recover. Be nice if RPI medical for professors and staff covered that.

billhoward

Jim Hyla
Very sad, but we can help. Rensselaer assistant coach Graham struck by car, in ICU at Albany Medical Hospital and RPI Assistant Coach Struck By Vehicle, In Intensive Care.

Here's the GoFundMe page. Looks like the community has already been generous. Hope and suspect that a goodly amount was from the hockey community. Give as generously as you can.

Guy fractures his skull, needs money for therapy to recover. Be nice if RPI medical for professors and staff covered that.

One would hope/expect that RPI's medical coverage would include such things. (Even Obamacare, if we still have it.) Maybe the GoFundMe is to support his family if RPI stops paying him while he's out of commission.

Swampy

billhoward

Jim Hyla
Very sad, but we can help. Rensselaer assistant coach Graham struck by car, in ICU at Albany Medical Hospital and RPI Assistant Coach Struck By Vehicle, In Intensive Care.

Here's the GoFundMe page. Looks like the community has already been generous. Hope and suspect that a goodly amount was from the hockey community. Give as generously as you can.

Guy fractures his skull, needs money for therapy to recover. Be nice if RPI medical for professors and staff covered that.

One would hope/expect that RPI's medical coverage would include such things. (Even Obamacare, if we still have it.) Maybe the GoFundMe is to support his family if RPI stops paying him while he's out of commission.

And wouldn't the insurance carried by the driver of the vehicle who hit him supposedly be responsible for all these costs? I'm not saying it's not wonderful when a community pulls together, and I really hope he's going to be okay, it's just a little weird.

KenP
Obviously all games are important this time of year but here are a few OOC series to watch for their direct impact to Cornell in the NC$$ Tourney:

"Important" Games
WCHA -- Michigan Tech vs Minnesota State -- MSU is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed
NCHC -- Nebraska Omaha vs North Dakota -- both teams are on the bubble. A North Dakota loss will go a long way to Cornell avoiding a trip to Sioux Falls
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Penn State vs Notre Dame -- At this point Penn State is a virtual lock for the tournament. Better to have them win and hurt the Irish who are vying for a #1 seed
(Saturday Only) Big Ten -- Michigan vs Ohio State -- Ohio State is one of the teams vying for a #1 seed

Other Games to watch
NCHC -- Colorado College vs Denver -- Denver still has an outside shot at #1 seed but this series has less as impact than other results
NCHC -- Miami vs St. Could State -- Miami wins will help our RPI
Hockey East -- UConn vs Boston University -- BU wins will help our RPI (but will also help MSU-Mankato)
Atlantic -- American Int'l vs Canisius -- Canisius wins will help our RPI
ECAC - Dartmouth played Denver. If they lose it will lower Denver’s RPI but not impact us or Notre Dame of MSU. Call it a silver lining to the cloud if Sucks wins.

Saturday:
Mankato lost.
North Dakota beat UNO 0:53 in OT, dammit.
Notre Dame got the winning goal vs PSU with 0:31 remaining in regulation.
OSU won 0:32 into OT.

Denver beat CC, 3-2 with two Troy Terry 3rd-period goals.
Miami beat SCSU in OT, but the winning goal came after the 5:00 mark, so it counts as a tie. (right?)
BU sweeps UConn.
Canisius lost in OT, but the winning goal came after the 5:00 mark, so it counts as a tie.

As of 11:06 pm, CHN PWR page has Notre Dame & Cornell's RPI tied to four decimal places, both at 0.5821.
At the end of the Denver win, Notre Dame is now ahead 0.5822 to 0.5821 since ND and Denver played h2h.

Miami wins

RichH
Miami beat SCSU in OT, but the winning goal came after the 5:00 mark, so it counts as a tie. (right?)

I didn't think so. My understanding is RS games are a tie after 5 minutes because that's the NC$$ rule, but PS tourney games which are "played until there is a winner" are marked as whoever wins no matter how long it takes.

Trotsky

RichH
Miami beat SCSU in OT, but the winning goal came after the 5:00 mark, so it counts as a tie. (right?)

I didn't think so. My understanding is RS games are a tie after 5 minutes because that's the NC$$ rule, but PS tourney games which are "played until there is a winner" are marked as whoever wins no matter how long it takes.

WORKS FOR ME.

Trotsky

RichH
Miami beat SCSU in OT, but the winning goal came after the 5:00 mark, so it counts as a tie. (right?)

I didn't think so. My understanding is RS games are a tie after 5 minutes because that's the NC$$ rule, but PS tourney games which are "played until there is a winner" are marked as whoever wins no matter how long it takes.

That's my understanding too more or less. Pretty sure it's more format than time. Long beanpot ot doesn't mean a pwr tie I don't think. Since there are no gimmicks.

Our win coupled with Mankato’s loss was a huge gain for us as playoffstatus.com now shows 99% chance of a #1 seed (up from 82). Also shows an 8% chance (up from 2) of dethroning St Cloud as the #1 overall.

KenP
Our win coupled with Mankato’s loss was a huge gain for us as playoffstatus.com now shows 99% chance of a #1 seed (up from 82). Also shows an 8% chance (up from 2) of dethroning St Cloud as the #1 overall.

Discuss Argue.

marty

KenP
Our win coupled with Mankato’s loss was a huge gain for us as playoffstatus.com now shows 99% chance of a #1 seed (up from 82). Also shows an 8% chance (up from 2) of dethroning St Cloud as the #1 overall.

Discuss Argue.

I am more curious about what permutations create what at this point...

1. What needs to happen to get a number one overall seed?
2. What results today will eliminate any chance of an#2 seed?

Regarding the nightmare first-round ND road game pairing: Cornell is the only Eastern team with a shot at a 1-seed, and there is only one NCHC team with a realistic shot at a one-seed. So it would seem as though, if Cornell does get a 1-seed, we should be pretty safe?

If the NCAA really wanted to shake things up, they would place all of the teams into each of the regions 2-4, and then let the #1 seeds choose where they want to go.

BearLover
Regarding the nightmare first-round ND road game pairing: Cornell is the only Eastern team with a shot at a 1-seed, and there is only one NCHC team with a realistic shot at a one-seed. So it would seem as though, if Cornell does get a 1-seed, we should be pretty safe?

I don't think we're out of the woodwork yet. If we finish 3rd or 4th with Denver (the one NCHC team you mention) as the 4th or 3rd team, and NoDak makes it (and doesn't move up enough to get a 3 seed), we may very well get sent west.

I'm torn, because I want the best possible draw/location and am pulling for us to stay east, but if we're in Sioux Falls, I get to go.

Dafatone

BearLover
Regarding the nightmare first-round ND road game pairing: Cornell is the only Eastern team with a shot at a 1-seed, and there is only one NCHC team with a realistic shot at a one-seed. So it would seem as though, if Cornell does get a 1-seed, we should be pretty safe?

I don't think we're out of the woodwork yet. If we finish 3rd or 4th with Denver (the one NCHC team you mention) as the 4th or 3rd team, and NoDak makes it (and doesn't move up enough to get a 3 seed), we may very well get sent west.

I'm torn, because I want the best possible draw/location and am pulling for us to stay east, but if we're in Sioux Falls, I get to go.

I meant SCSU as the one NCHC team; I think Denver is pretty unlikely at this point.

Dafatone

BearLover
Regarding the nightmare first-round ND road game pairing: Cornell is the only Eastern team with a shot at a 1-seed, and there is only one NCHC team with a realistic shot at a one-seed. So it would seem as though, if Cornell does get a 1-seed, we should be pretty safe?

I don't think we're out of the woodwork yet. If we finish 3rd or 4th with Denver (the one NCHC team you mention) as the 4th or 3rd team, and NoDak makes it (and doesn't move up enough to get a 3 seed), we may very well get sent west.

I'm torn, because I want the best possible draw/location and am pulling for us to stay east, but if we're in Sioux Falls, I get to go.

I'd assume St. Cloud is an NCHC team with a lock on a #1 seed.

RichH
As of 11:06 pm, CHN PWR page has Notre Dame & Cornell's RPI tied to four decimal places, both at 0.5821.
At the end of the Denver win, Notre Dame is now ahead 0.5822 to 0.5821 since ND and Denver played h2h.

And now, as of 7:53 PM Sunday evening, with the only final so far today being Harvard over Dartmouth, (both teams that we're 2-0 against this year) Notre Dame is now at .5833 while we are still at .5821.

Jim Hyla

Dafatone

BearLover
Regarding the nightmare first-round ND road game pairing: Cornell is the only Eastern team with a shot at a 1-seed, and there is only one NCHC team with a realistic shot at a one-seed. So it would seem as though, if Cornell does get a 1-seed, we should be pretty safe?

I don't think we're out of the woodwork yet. If we finish 3rd or 4th with Denver (the one NCHC team you mention) as the 4th or 3rd team, and NoDak makes it (and doesn't move up enough to get a 3 seed), we may very well get sent west.

I'm torn, because I want the best possible draw/location and am pulling for us to stay east, but if we're in Sioux Falls, I get to go.

I'd assume St. Cloud is an NCHC team with a lock on a #1 seed.

Completely forgot they were NCHC, my mistake. Honestly, half the time I still think we're on the old WCHA/CCHA system.

But generally, I'd say we get sent west if NoDak makes it as a 4 and we either finish in 4th or in 3rd with Denver in 4th. If we fall below 4th it changes, but we probably wind up east.

Clarkson now up 5-1 after 2.

Miami up 2-0 on St. Cloud

Denver up 2-0 on CC

Minnesota State tied with MTU

If Mankato loses (and they're tied 1-1 right now), it actually gives more flexibility.

St. Cloud losing (and they're down 3-1 right now), means NoDak has a better chance of moving up.

And the Clarkson game is a final, 5-1.

Denver crushing CC - now 5-0.

St. C. gets one back against Miami - now 3-2 in the 3rd.

Mankato still tied with Tech - 1-1 in the 3rd.

Denver 6 - CC 1 Final

St. Cloud / Miami and Mankato / MTU both going to OT.

Jeff Hopkins '82
St. Cloud / Miami

Since we played Miami 2x, why would a Miami win not be good for us?

Trotsky

Jeff Hopkins '82
St. Cloud / Miami

Since we played Miami 2x, why would a Miami win not be good for us?

It would, but it didn't happen. St. C wins in OT. 4-3.

But Michigan Tech upsets Mankato. One less bubble team slot open. The WCHA autobid now is the 15 seed.

Jeff Hopkins '82
But Michigan Tech upsets Mankato. One less bubble team slot open. The WCHA autobid now is the 15 seed.

A BU or BC win in hockey east might make the 14 seed an autobid* and North Dakota probably needs to win the conference. Of course the same is true of Princeton/Harvard winning the ECAC but on March 11 I'd rather win the conference and risk a trip west than root for "lowering North Dakota's chances to get in the tournament."

* possibly would vault BC over NoDak but pushing NoDak to 15 is the same result

ugarte

Jeff Hopkins '82
But Michigan Tech upsets Mankato. One less bubble team slot open. The WCHA autobid now is the 15 seed.

A BU or BC win in hockey east might make the 14 seed an autobid* and North Dakota probably needs to win the conference. Of course the same is true of Princeton/Harvard winning the ECAC but on March 11 I'd rather win the conference and risk a trip west than root for "lowering North Dakota's chances to get in the tournament."

* possibly would vault BC over NoDak but pushing NoDak to 15 is the same result

Here's a twist...right now Minnesota is 13. if Notre Dame and Ohio State both finish in the top four, they can't play Minnesota. St. Cloud can't play North Dakota. It means either we or St. Cloud HAVE to play Minnesota. Likely that will be us, especially if they preserve the #1 versus #16. The lower seed of Notre Dame and tOSU get to go to Sioux Falls to play N. Dakota.

Now, if Denver creeps into the top 4, neither they nor St. Cloud can play NoDak. So either we or Notre Dame get shipped to Sioux Falls.

So my rooting interests are BC, BU, and Ohio State, and anybody but North Dakota.

Wouldn't ND get sent west instead of us, since they are already pretty far west and we are very east? (Assuming ND doesn't get the first-overall seed.)

Jeff Hopkins '82
Here's a twist...right now Minnesota is 13. if Notre Dame and Ohio State both finish in the top four, they can't play Minnesota. St. Cloud can't play North Dakota. It means either we or St. Cloud HAVE to play Minnesota. Likely that will be us, especially if they preserve the #1 versus #16. The lower seed of Notre Dame and tOSU get to go to Sioux Falls to play N. Dakota.

This is actually looking pretty likely at this point, and it's a major kick in the keister. Similar thing happened in 2003. Cornell would not be afforded the luxury of playing the WCHA autobid team, and would instead play Minnesota - you are right. Then again, maybe that's not so terrible.

adamw

Jeff Hopkins '82
Here's a twist...right now Minnesota is 13. if Notre Dame and Ohio State both finish in the top four, they can't play Minnesota. St. Cloud can't play North Dakota. It means either we or St. Cloud HAVE to play Minnesota. Likely that will be us, especially if they preserve the #1 versus #16. The lower seed of Notre Dame and tOSU get to go to Sioux Falls to play N. Dakota.

This is actually looking pretty likely at this point, and it's a major kick in the keister. Similar thing happened in 2003. Cornell would not be afforded the luxury of playing the WCHA autobid team, and would instead play Minnesota - you are right. Then again, maybe that's not so terrible.

I put it in another thread, but if Duluth loses out (both semi and consy) they drop to 13 and Minnesota moves up to 12. Then we can get one of the autobids if we finish second or maybe even 3rd, depending on how many upsets there are.

Beeeej

Swampy

billhoward

Jim Hyla
Very sad, but we can help. Rensselaer assistant coach Graham struck by car, in ICU at Albany Medical Hospital and RPI Assistant Coach Struck By Vehicle, In Intensive Care.

Here's the GoFundMe page. Looks like the community has already been generous. Hope and suspect that a goodly amount was from the hockey community. Give as generously as you can.

Guy fractures his skull, needs money for therapy to recover. Be nice if RPI medical for professors and staff covered that.

One would hope/expect that RPI's medical coverage would include such things. (Even Obamacare, if we still have it.) Maybe the GoFundMe is to support his family if RPI stops paying him while he's out of commission.

And wouldn't the insurance carried by the driver of the vehicle who hit him supposedly be responsible for all these costs? I'm not saying it's not wonderful when a community pulls together, and I really hope he's going to be okay, it's just a little weird.

Like when we're asked to send razors, foodstuffs, sox to our servicemen in Iraq. Isn't that the job of our government? I can see sending Episcopal crosses and inflatable life-size dolls, but not sox or foot powder.

billhoward
Like when we're asked to send razors, foodstuffs, sox to our servicemen in Iraq. Isn't that the job of our government? I can see sending Episcopal crosses and inflatable life-size dolls, but not sox or foot powder.

Personally, I would love to move the American League teams from Chicago and Boston that far away. Good riddance.

+1

RichH

billhoward
Like when we're asked to send razors, foodstuffs, sox to our servicemen in Iraq. Isn't that the job of our government? I can see sending Episcopal crosses and inflatable life-size dolls, but not sox or foot powder.

Personally, I would love to move the American League teams from Chicago and Boston that far away. Good riddance.

You hate the White Sox?

How can anybody summon the energy to even opine on the White Sox? They are the most anodyne team in baseball not named the Padres.

The Red Sox obvs I agree. Fuck them with Roger Clemens' broken bat.

Trotsky

RichH

billhoward
Like when we're asked to send razors, foodstuffs, sox to our servicemen in Iraq. Isn't that the job of our government? I can see sending Episcopal crosses and inflatable life-size dolls, but not sox or foot powder.

Personally, I would love to move the American League teams from Chicago and Boston that far away. Good riddance.

You hate the White Sox?

How can anybody summon the energy to even opine on the White Sox? They are the most anodyne team in baseball not named the Padres.

Two words: Hawk Harrelson. His voice scrapes my retinas, and I want him to be tortured in hell for as long as he has tortured the airwaves.

But really, I don't dislike the White Sox. I call out the White Sox as yet another dig to Red Sox fans who insist on calling them "The Sox." I do so to remind them that there's a team that had the name "Sox" first, AND they went through a longer WS drought, AND their fans weren't 1/10000th as annoying about it. When *they* ended the 88-year stretch, their reaction wasn't "LOOOK AT US!!!" it was "Leave us alone and let us enjoy this." The White Sox = The Right Sox.

RichH
But really, I don't dislike the White Sox. I call out the White Sox as yet another dig to Red Sox fans who insist on calling them "The Sox." I do so to remind them that there's a team that had the name "Sox" first, AND they went through a longer WS drought, AND their fans weren't 1/10000th as annoying about it. When *they* ended the 88-year stretch, their reaction wasn't "LOOOK AT US!!!" it was "Leave us alone and let us enjoy this." The White Sox = The Right Sox.

What do you expect? Boston is the City of Losers. When they win it's just that much more apparent they, personally, are losers.

Save the Cornell fans and the other buildings; sink the Pru and the other people in the Harbor.

Interesting observation on the other semi: Harvard hasn't lost an ECAC semi game since 2001 and Clarkson hasn't since 2002. Granted, Harvard's run is a little more impressive as they've been in 10 since then, and Clarkson only 2.

...and now we root for Harvard (ugh) to win today, or if Clarkson wins, Princeton tomorrow, to get NoDak off the bubble and onto the golf course.

I'm still not rooting for Harvard.

For those who saw Clarkson's GWG, have we seen a Cornell goal like that all year? We almost never score on those tic-tac-toe passing plays in transition, and we convert on an extremely low percentage of odd-man rushes. As great as Cornell's season has been, they don't have the offensive firepower of any of the other three teams at Lake Placid. Cornell is still a few more Donaldsons away from that...

BearLover
For those who saw Clarkson's GWG, have we seen a Cornell goal like that all year? We almost never score on those tic-tac-toe passing plays in transition, and we convert on an extremely low percentage of odd-man rushes. As great as Cornell's season has been, they don't have the offensive firepower of any of the other three teams at Lake Placid. Cornell is still a few more Donaldsons away from that...

A fair point, although we did have a number of very nice goals in the rout against Q. But a good percentage of our goals have been by driving the net, getting wrap-around chances, rebounds, and the like. Tonight we had a hard time stringing together passes and when we had some clean looks from the slot we couldn’t convert.

Certainly disappointing making the trip to LP and having the rug pulled out from under us. But hey that’s sports.

scoop85

BearLover
For those who saw Clarkson's GWG, have we seen a Cornell goal like that all year? We almost never score on those tic-tac-toe passing plays in transition, and we convert on an extremely low percentage of odd-man rushes. As great as Cornell's season has been, they don't have the offensive firepower of any of the other three teams at Lake Placid. Cornell is still a few more Donaldsons away from that...

A fair point, although we did have a number of very nice goals in the rout against Q. But a good percentage of our goals have been by driving the net, getting wrap-around chances, rebounds, and the like. Tonight we had a hard time stringing together passes and when we had some clean looks from the slot we couldn’t convert.

Certainly disappointing making the trip to LP and having the rug pulled out from under us. But hey that’s sports.

Cornell can find guys in the slot and score on wraparounds and rebounds and that will win them enough games when their defense is as good as it's been this year. But they are still flat out bad at scoring in transition. Maybe that's something that will change with next year's freshman class. This year's seniors are good at many things, but scoring in transition isn't one of them. The number of times this year I've seen Cornell with numbers in transition not even get a shot off has to be at least four times greater than the number of goals they've scored in such a spot.

BearLover
For those who saw Clarkson's GWG, have we seen a Cornell goal like that all year? We almost never score on those tic-tac-toe passing plays in transition, and we convert on an extremely low percentage of odd-man rushes. As great as Cornell's season has been, they don't have the offensive firepower of any of the other three teams at Lake Placid. Cornell is still a few more Donaldsons away from that...

I can't tell you which game it was, but I watched a pretty limited number of games this season via livestream, and I absolutely saw one such Cornell goal. It stood out to me exactly because it has not been a typical way for Cornell to score in the last several years.

I'm not about to start watching footage, but I'm sure it's in the highlights on YouTube if you want to look for it.

Beeeej

BearLover
For those who saw Clarkson's GWG, have we seen a Cornell goal like that all year? We almost never score on those tic-tac-toe passing plays in transition, and we convert on an extremely low percentage of odd-man rushes. As great as Cornell's season has been, they don't have the offensive firepower of any of the other three teams at Lake Placid. Cornell is still a few more Donaldsons away from that...

I can't tell you which game it was, but I watched a pretty limited number of games this season via livestream, and I absolutely saw one such Cornell goal. It stood out to me exactly because it has not been a typical way for Cornell to score in the last several years.

That sort of proves my point, though. I considered adding the disclaimer "I'm sure someone could dredge one up, but..."

Also, Miami has decided to fire its assistant coaches and also some of its players.