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Polls 2017-18

Posted by Jim Hyla 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: KenP (---.mycingular.net)
Date: March 05, 2018 04:45PM

Beeeej
jeff '84
Still #2 in both polls. Not that it matters, but any thoughts as to why Notre Dame (#2 in PWR via their better RPI vs Cornell) still haven’t convinced the voters (#5 in USCHO; #4 in USA Today, who by now usually buy into the computer numbers.

[www.usahockey.com]

[www.uscho.com]

They've lost four of their last five. That's not a small thing.
But according to KRACH they have a 65% chance of beating Penn State on Saturday.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: jeff '84 (64.74.86.---)
Date: March 05, 2018 04:45PM

Beeeej
jeff '84
Still #2 in both polls. Not that it matters, but any thoughts as to why Notre Dame (#2 in PWR via their better RPI vs Cornell) still haven’t convinced the voters (#5 in USCHO; #4 in USA Today, who by now usually buy into the computer numbers.

[www.usahockey.com]

[www.uscho.com]

They've lost four of their last five. That's not a small thing.

That’s fair.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 05, 2018 09:08PM

USCHO Division I Men's Poll - March 5, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	St. Cloud State	(44)	22-6-6	992	1
2	Cornell	        (5)	23-4-2	924	2
3	Minnesota State	(1)	28-7-1	896	3
4	Denver		        18-8-8	831	4
5	Notre Dame		23-9-2	815	5
6	Ohio State		23-8-5	772	6
7	Northeastern		21-8-5	646	8
8	Minnesota Duluth	19-14-3	616	7
9	Providence		20-10-4	586	9
10	Clarkson		20-8-6	581	10
11	Michigan		20-13-3	537	12
12	Penn State		18-13-5	406	15
13	Omaha		        17-15-2	353	14
14	North Dakota		14-12-10317	13
15	Minnesota		19-17-2	303	11
16	Union		        21-13-2	253	16
17	Bowling Green		22-10-6	233	17
18	Boston College		18-13-3	197	18
19	Northern Michigan	23-13-3	127	19
20	Boston University	17-13-4	64	20

Other Receiving Votes: Mercyhurst 29, Harvard 9, Maine 7, Western Michigan 6

USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
March 5, 2018
	Team	              Points  (First) Last Poll	Record
	
1	St. Cloud State Univer  502	(28)	1	22-6-6
2	Cornell University	466	(6)	2	23-4-2
3	Minnesota State Univer	426		3	28-7-1
4	University of Notre Dame410		4	23-9-2
5	University of Denver	372		5	18-8-8
6	Ohio State University	352		6	23-8-5
7	Northeastern University	285		8	21-8-5
8	Clarkson University	235		9	20-8-6
9	Univer Minnesota Duluth	228		7	19-14-3
10	Providence College	214		10	20-10-4
11	University of Michigan	199		12	20-13-3
12	Penn State University	128		13	18-13-5
13	Univer Nebraska Omaha	75		15	17-15-2
14	University of Minnesota	65		11	19-17-2
15	Union College	        37		NR	21-13-2

Others receiving votes: University of North Dakota 33, Bowling Green State University 28, 
Boston College 18, Northern Michigan University 4, Harvard University 2, Mercyhurst University 1.

Men's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	                PWR	W-L-T  Win %  Win % Rank  RPI	RPI Rank

1	St. Cloud State	        59	22-6-6	0.7353	3	0.6019*	1
2	Notre Dame	        57	23-9-2	0.7059	5	0.5819	2
2	Cornell	                57	23-4-2	0.8276	1	0.5780*	3
4	Ohio State	        56	23-8-5	0.7083	4	0.5768	4
5	Minnesota State	        55	28-7-1	0.7917	2	0.5758*	5
5	Denver	                55	18-8-8	0.6471	9	0.5707	6
7	Michigan	        52	20-13-3	0.5972	14	0.5494	7
7	Clarkson	        52	20-8-6	0.6765	7	0.5493	8
9	Minnesota Duluth	51	19-14-3	0.5694	16	0.5467	9
10	Northeastern	        50	21-8-5	0.6912	6	0.5453	10
11	Penn State	        49	18-13-5	0.5694	16	0.5441	11
12	Providence	        48	20-10-4	0.6471	9	0.5435	12
13	Minnesota	        47	19-17-2	0.5263	26	0.5413	13
14	Omaha	                46	17-15-2	0.5294	23	0.5348	14
15	North Dakota	        45	14-12-100.5278	25	0.5305	15
16	Bowling Green	        44	22-10-6	0.6579	8	0.5298	16
17	Boston College	        42	18-13-3	0.5735	15	0.5282	17
17	Northern Michigan	42	23-13-3	0.6282	11	0.5262	18
19	Boston University	41	17-13-4	0.5588	19	0.5221	20
20	Union	                39	21-13-2	0.6111	13	0.5257	19
20	Western Michigan	39	15-17-2	0.4706	38	0.5211	21

KRACH: Division I Men

Rank	Team	       Rating	RRWP Win % Rk	W-L-T  Win %  Win Ratio	SOS Rk	SOS

1	St. Cloud State	468.2	.8156	3	22-6-6	0.7353	2.778	3	174.4
2	Cornell	        387.9	.7864	1	23-4-2	0.8276	4.800	38	87.09
3	Notre Dame	372.9	.7799	5	23-9-2	0.7059	2.400	10	159.8
4	Minnesota State	341.3	.7647	2	28-7-1	0.7917	3.800	31	94.14
5	Ohio State	335.4	.7617	4	23-8-5	0.7083	2.429	14	141.9
6	Denver	        296.5	.7393	9	18-8-8	0.6471	1.833	8	164.7
7	Minnesota Duluth223.1	.6831	16	19-14-3	0.5694	1.323	6	169.9
8	Michigan	222.8	.6829	14	20-13-3	0.5972	1.483	12	151.9
9	Clarkson	213.8	.6743	7	20-8-6	0.6765	2.091	19	104.6
10	Minnesota	210.7	.6712	26	19-17-2	0.5263	1.111	1	190.2
11	Penn State	202.9	.6631	16	18-13-5	0.5694	1.323	11	154.6
12	Northeastern	194.4	.6539	6	21-8-5	0.6912	2.238	36	89.11
13	Omaha	        190.6	.6496	23	17-15-2	0.5294	1.125	5	170.0
14	Providence	174.8	.6305	9	20-10-4	0.6471	1.833	27	97.13
15	North Dakota	168.4	.6221	25	14-12-100.5278	1.118	13	151.1
16	Boston College	159.9	.6103	15	18-13-3	0.5735	1.345	16	119.9
17	Bowling Green	155.1	.6034	8	22-10-6	0.6579	1.923	43	82.10
18	Boston Univer	147.2	.5914	19	17-13-4	0.5588	1.267	17	117.0
19	Union	        147.2	.5913	13	21-13-2	0.6111	1.571	29	94.84
20	Western Michigan144.7	.5875	38	15-17-2	0.4706	0.889	9	162.3

Not that these matter anymore :-/ but here's the women.

USCHO Division I Women's Poll - March 5, 2018
Rnk	Team	       (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Clarkson	(14)	33-4-1	149	2
2	Wisconsin	(1)	30-4-2	136	1
3	Colgate		        32-5-1	119	4
4	Boston College		30-4-3	106	3
5	Minnesota		24-10-3	83	7
6	Ohio State		23-10-4	77	5
7	Cornell		        21-9-3	62	6
8	St. Lawrence		20-11-4	40	8
9	Northeastern		19-16-3	27	NR
10	Robert Morris		21-8-4	12	9

Other Receiving Votes: Mercyhurst 11, Maine 3

Women's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank	 RPI  RPI Rank

1	Clarkson	39	33-4-1	0.8816	1	0.6359*	1
2	Wisconsin	38	30-4-2	0.8611	2	0.6356*	2
3	Colgate	        37	32-5-1	0.8553	3	0.6242*	3
4	Boston College	36	30-4-3	0.8514	4	0.6196	4
5	Saint Anselm	35	16-3-3	0.7955	5	0.5785*	5
6	Minnesota	34	24-10-3	0.6892	8	0.5718	6
7	Ohio State	33	23-10-4	0.6757	10	0.5683	7
8	Cornell	        32	21-9-3	0.6818	9	0.5631*	8
9	St. Lawrence	31	20-11-4	0.6286	11	0.5486	9
10	Sacred Heart	30	17-6-2	0.7200	6	0.5455*	10

KRACH: National Collegiate Women

Rank	Team	       Rating	RRWP Win % Rk	W-L-T  Win %  Win Ratio	SOS Rk	SOS

1	Clarkson	1075.	.8970	1	33-4-1	0.8816	7.444	13	158.0
2	Wisconsin	1024.	.8927	2	30-4-2	0.8611	6.200	5	178.8
3	Colgate	        887.1	.8789	3	32-5-1	0.8553	5.909	11	161.3
4	Boston College	769.6	.8640	4	30-4-3	0.8514	5.727	16	144.3
5	Minnesota	386.9	.7714	8	24-10-3	0.6892	2.217	6	178.6
6	Ohio State	354.0	.7568	10	23-10-4	0.6757	2.083	8	173.5
7	Cornell	        333.5	.7468	9	21-9-3	0.6818	2.143	12	159.5
8	St. Lawrence	272.8	.7109	11	20-11-4	0.6286	1.692	10	163.7
9	Northeastern	218.9	.6685	16	19-16-3	0.5395	1.171	3	187.6

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 12, 2018 05:04PM

This means even less now, in fact I think once postseason play starts, they should stop polling, no one cares and there should not be a final end of season poll. We ave the playoffs, nothing else matters, even for discussing.

But, for completeness sake, I'll carry on.:-|

USCHO Division I Men's Poll - March 12, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	St. Cloud State	(32)	24-7-6	975	1
2	Cornell	        (16)	25-4-2	954	2
3	Notre Dame	(1)	24-9-2	870	5
4	Denver	        (1)	20-9-8	852	4
5	Ohio State		24-8-5	812	6
6	Minnesota State		29-9-1	736	3
7	Northeastern		23-8-5	689	7
8	Minnesota Duluth	21-14-3	644	8
9	Providence		22-10-4	601	9
10	Clarkson		22-9-6	553	10
11	Michigan		20-14-3	488	11
12	North Dakota		16-12-10415	14
13	Penn State		18-14-5	413	12
14	Boston College		20-13-3	301	18
15	Minnesota		19-17-2	298	15
16	Northern Michigan	25-14-3	241	19
17	Omaha		        17-17-2	197	13
18	Boston University	19-13-4	172	20
19	Bowling Green		23-12-6	118	17
20      Union		        21-15-2	62	16[[/u]

Other Receiving Votes: Mercyhurst 53, Harvard 27, 
Michigan Tech 20, Princeton 9

USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
March 12, 2018
	Team	               Points (First) Last Poll	Record
	
1	St. Cloud State Univer	498	(20)	1	24-7-6
2	Cornell University	477	(14)	2	25-4-2
3	University of Notre Dame439		4	24-9-2
4	Ohio State University	386		6	24-8-5
5	University of Denver	380		5	20-9-8
6	Minnesota State Univer	346		3	29-9-1
7	Northeastern University	294		7	23-8-5
8	Univer Minnesota Duluth	252		9	21-14-3
9	Providence College	243		10	22-10-4
10	Clarkson University	215		8	22-9-6
11	University of Michigan	169		11	20-14-3
12	Penn State University	102		12	18-14-5
13	University North Dakota	90		NR	16-12-10
14	University of Minnesota	70		14	19-17-2
15	Boston College	        36		NR	20-13-3

Others receiving votes: Northern Michigan University 24, 
University of Nebraska Omaha 20, Union College 16, 
Harvard University 12, Bowling Green State University 7, 
Mercyhurst University 4.

Men's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	       PWR	W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank	RPI	RPI Rank

1	St. Cloud State	59	24-7-6	0.7297	3	0.5943*	1
2	Notre Dame	57	24-9-2	0.7143	5	0.5830	2
2	Cornell	        57	25-4-2	0.8387	1	0.5824*	3
4	Ohio State	56	24-8-5	0.7162	4	0.5783	4
4	Denver	        56	20-9-8	0.6486	9	0.5658	5
6	Minnesota State	54	29-9-1	0.7564	2	0.5644*	6
7	Northeastern	53	23-8-5	0.7083	6	0.5497	7
8	Minnesota Duluth51	21-14-3	0.5921	14	0.5480	8
8	Providence	51	22-10-4	0.6667	8	0.5479	9
10	Michigan	49	20-14-3	0.5811	16	0.5456	10
10	Clarkson	49	22-9-6	0.6757	7	0.5453	11
12	Penn State	48	18-14-5	0.5541	21	0.5415	12
13	Minnesota	47	19-17-2	0.5263	25	0.5406	13
14	North Dakota	46	16-12-10	0.5526	22	0.5334	14
15	Boston College	44	20-13-3	0.5972	13	0.5333	15
16	Bowling Green	43	23-12-6	0.6341	11	0.5268	16
16	North'n Michigan43	25-14-3	0.6310	12	0.5263	17
18	Boston Univer	42	19-13-4	0.5833	15	0.5259	18
18	Omaha	        42	17-17-2	0.5000	28	0.5258	19
20	Mercyhurst	40	21-11-4	0.6389	10	0.5223	20
21	Union	        38	21-15-2	0.5789	17	0.5172	21
21	Princeton	38	17-12-4	0.5758	19	0.5147	22

USCHO Division I Women's Poll - March 5, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Clarkson	(14)	33-4-1	149	2
2	Wisconsin	(1)	30-4-2	136	1
3	Colgate		        32-5-1	119	4
4	Boston College		30-4-3	106	3
5	Minnesota		24-10-3	83	7
6	Ohio State		23-10-4	77	5
7	Cornell		        21-9-3	62	6
8	St. Lawrence		20-11-4	40	8
9	Northeastern		19-16-3	27	NR
10	Robert Morris		21-8-4	12	9

Other Receiving Votes: Mercyhurst 11, Maine 3

Women's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	       PWR      W-L-T  Win %  Win % Rank RPI	RPI Rank

1	Wisconsin	39	31-4-2	0.8649	2	0.6401*	1
2	Clarkson	38	34-4-1	0.8846	1	0.6369*	2
3	Colgate	        37	33-5-1	0.8590	3	0.6267*	3
4	Boston College	36	30-5-3	0.8289	4	0.6123	4
5	Saint Anselm	35	16-3-3	0.7955	5	0.5785*	5
6	Ohio State	34	24-10-4	0.6842	8	0.5743	6
7	Minnesota	33	24-11-3	0.6711	10	0.5691	7
8	Cornell	        32	21-9-3	0.6818	9	0.5634*	8
9	St. Lawrence	31	20-11-4	0.6286	11	0.5485	9
10	Sacred Heart	30	17-6-2	0.7200	6	0.5455*	10

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 12, 2018 05:24PM

In all honesty now that we have metrics like PWR there is no point to have polls anymore. They were always BS anyway. Nobody watches even a fraction of the teams and all the polling is "move my team up, rank the teams I've seen, copy everybody else on the ones I haven't."
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 12, 2018 06:26PM

Trotsky
In all honesty now that we have metrics like PWR there is no point to have polls anymore. They were always BS anyway. Nobody watches even a fraction of the teams and all the polling is "move my team up, rank the teams I've seen, copy everybody else on the ones I haven't."

The only reason I can see for polls is to start discussion in the early part of the season, before there's enough data to get a reasonable PWR.

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 12, 2018 07:56PM

Jim Hyla
Trotsky
In all honesty now that we have metrics like PWR there is no point to have polls anymore. They were always BS anyway. Nobody watches even a fraction of the teams and all the polling is "move my team up, rank the teams I've seen, copy everybody else on the ones I haven't."

The only reason I can see for polls is to start discussion in the early part of the season, before there's enough data to get a reasonable PWR.
That's fair. Although I think even then polls aren't about real performance but last year's best finishers, a couple anticipated drops from graduations, seasoned with recruiting hype.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2018 07:57PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 19, 2018 04:15PM

Not that this matters anymore, even for discussion, but here it is.

USCHO Division I Men's Poll - March 19, 2018
Rnk	Team	       (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	St. Cloud State	(28)	25-8-6	966	1
2	Notre Dame	(14)	25-9-2	956	3
3	Denver	        (7)	22-9-8	893	4
4	Cornell	        (1)	25-5-2	859	2
5	Ohio State		24-9-5	815	5
6	Minnesota State		29-9-1	743	6
7	Providence		23-11-4	661	9
8	Northeastern		23-9-5	644	7
9	Clarkson		23-10-6	581	10
10	Michigan		20-14-3	541	11
11	Minnesota Duluth	21-16-3	508	8
12	Penn State		18-14-5	429	13
13	Boston University	21-13-4	366	18
14	North Dakota		17-13-10	343	12
15	Minnesota		19-17-2	247	15
16	Princeton		19-12-4	198	NR
17	Boston College		20-14-3	188	14
18	Michigan Tech		22-16-5	175	NR
19	Northern Michigan	25-15-3	112	16
20	Omaha		        17-17-2	80	17

Other Receiving Votes: Air Force 78, Bowling Green 76, 
Mercyhurst 16, Harvard 14, Union 10, Robert Morris 1

Men's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank	RPI	RPI Rank

1	St. Cloud State	59	25-8-6	0.7179	4	0.5917*	1
2	Notre Dame	57	25-9-2	0.7222	3	0.5864*	2
2	Cornell	        57	25-5-2	0.8125	1	0.5762*	3
4	Ohio State	56	24-9-5	0.6974	5	0.5755	4
4	Denver	        56	22-9-8	0.6667	7	0.5746	5
6	Minnesota State	54	29-9-1	0.7564	2	0.5645*	6
7	Providence	53	23-11-4	0.6579	9	0.5474	7
8	Michigan	51	20-14-3	0.5811	16	0.5453	8
8	Northeastern	51	23-9-5	0.6892	6	0.5449	9
10	Clarkson	50	23-10-6	0.6667	7	0.5432	10
11	Penn State	49	18-14-5	0.5541	21	0.5412	11
12	Minnesota Duluth47	21-16-3	0.5625	20	0.5404	12
12	Minnesota	47	19-17-2	0.5263	23	0.5403	13
14	North Dakota	46	17-13-10	0.5500	22	0.5350	14
15	Boston Univer	45	21-13-4	0.6053	13	0.5340	15
16	Boston College	42	20-14-3	0.5811	16	0.5298	16
16	Bowling Green	42	23-12-6	0.6341	10	0.5261	17
16	Princeton	42	19-12-4	0.6000	14	0.5259	18

USCHO Division I Women's Poll - March 19, 2018
Rnk	Team	       (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Clarkson	(15)	36-4-1	150	1
2	Colgate		        34-6-1	133	3
3	Wisconsin		31-5-2	122	2
4	Ohio State		24-11-4	104	6
5	Boston College		30-5-3	89	4
6	Minnesota		24-11-3	76	5
7	Cornell		        21-9-3	51	7
8	Northeastern		19-17-3	36	9
8	St. Lawrence		20-11-4	36	8
10	Mercyhurst		18-15-4	27	NR

Other Receiving Votes: Robert Morris 1

Women's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank	RPI	RPI Rank

1	Clarkson	39	36-4-1	0.8902	1	0.6465*	1
2	Wisconsin	38	31-5-2	0.8421	2	0.6317*	2
3	Colgate	        37	34-6-1	0.8415	3	0.6268*	3
4	Boston College	36	30-5-3	0.8289	4	0.6119	4
5	Saint Anselm	35	16-3-3	0.7955	5	0.5785*	5
6	Ohio State	34	24-11-4	0.6667	10	0.5685	6
7	Minnesota	33	24-11-3	0.6711	9	0.5664	7
8	Cornell	        32	21-9-3	0.6818	8	0.5638*	8
9	St. Lawrence	31	20-11-4	0.6286	11	0.5495	9
10	Sacred Heart	30	17-6-2	0.7200	6	0.5455*	10

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
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