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Polls 2017-18

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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: January 23, 2018 11:11AM

upprdeck
16 hrs from cornell.. one good days drive.. vs $250-$300 to fly from around here

Agree, I'd probably drive, hate airports, but I'm also crazy and love to drive.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: marty (199.168.151.---)
Date: January 23, 2018 11:30AM

Jim Hyla
upprdeck
16 hrs from cornell.. one good days drive.. vs $250-$300 to fly from around here

Agree, I'd probably drive, hate airports, but I'm also crazy and love to drive.

Yet I bought our tickets last week on Southwest and plan to hook up with a high school friend who will probably extol Minnesota's superiority.

Pathetically Parenthetically , has anyone else here noticed the number of B1G schools in the top 20? Since their inception as a league they have had approximately exactly zero (0) Frozen Four appearances. Maybe this will be the year they break the ice.smashfreak
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2018 11:44AM

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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: adamw (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2018 11:55AM

marty
Pathetically Parenthetically , has anyone else here noticed the number of B1G schools in the top 20? Since their inception as a league they have had approximately exactly zero (0) Frozen Four appearances. Maybe this will be the year they break the ice.smashfreak

When Minnesota made the championship game in 2014, that was in the first year of the Big Ten.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: marty (199.168.151.---)
Date: January 23, 2018 12:41PM

adamw
marty
Pathetically Parenthetically , has anyone else here noticed the number of B1G schools in the top 20? Since their inception as a league they have had approximately exactly zero (0) Frozen Four appearances. Maybe this will be the year they break the ice.smashfreak

When Minnesota made the championship game in 2014, that was in the first year of the Big Ten.

That's what I get for relying on a 66 year old single core processor with defective memory sectors. worry
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: January 23, 2018 12:57PM

Trotsky
Anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls
i thought i wanted to go to allentown but if we do i assume penn state will make the tournament and join us there. see also, bc or bu in worcester/bridgeport. there are other new england schools, of course, but i don't think they'll bring a larger crowd than us.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 23, 2018 06:47PM

ugarte
Trotsky
Anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls
i thought i wanted to go to allentown but if we do i assume penn state will make the tournament and join us there. see also, bc or bu in worcester/bridgeport. there are other new england schools, of course, but i don't think they'll bring a larger crowd than us.

Right now PSU isn't even in the tournament,

FWIW, if North Dakota falls into the 4-band, someone from the east will go to Sioux Falls, because St. Cloud can't play NoDak in the first round. So just in case, go Sioux!
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2018 06:52PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
ugarte
Trotsky
Anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls
i thought i wanted to go to allentown but if we do i assume penn state will make the tournament and join us there. see also, bc or bu in worcester/bridgeport. there are other new england schools, of course, but i don't think they'll bring a larger crowd than us.

Right now PSU isn't even in the tournament,

FWIW, if North Dakota falls into the 4-band, someone from the east will go to Sioux Falls, because St. Cloud can't play NoDak in the first round. So just in case, go Sioux!

Nazi Dakota is currently 12. Plenty of time for both they and Pedo State to drop out of the tourney altogether.


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2018 06:54PM by Trotsky.

 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 23, 2018 06:55PM

ugarte
i thought i wanted to go to allentown

Forget it, Jake.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 23, 2018 08:29PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
ugarte
i thought i wanted to go to allentown but if we do i assume penn state will make the tournament and join us there. see also, bc or bu in worcester/bridgeport. there are other new england schools, of course, but i don't think they'll bring a larger crowd than us.

Right now PSU isn't even in the tournament
you haven't considered that we might get assigned to allentown, in which case they will definitely have made the tournament

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.128.104.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: January 23, 2018 08:35PM

Trotsky
Jeff Hopkins '82
ugarte
Trotsky
Anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls anywhere but Sioux Falls
i thought i wanted to go to allentown but if we do i assume penn state will make the tournament and join us there. see also, bc or bu in worcester/bridgeport. there are other new england schools, of course, but i don't think they'll bring a larger crowd than us.

Right now PSU isn't even in the tournament,

FWIW, if North Dakota falls into the 4-band, someone from the east will go to Sioux Falls, because St. Cloud can't play NoDak in the first round. So just in case, go Sioux!

Nazi Dakota is currently 12. Plenty of time for both they and Pedo State to drop out of the tourney altogether.


"Plenty of time for both them and Penn State to drop out of the tourney."

Tee hee.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2018 08:36PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.

 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 11:50AM

I decided to put up the entire PWR, so people could see how poor our SOS truly is, and possibly explain why we still have to prove something to fans, myself included, and media.

Our OOC opponents are underlined, but not bolded. The highest is BU just above Miami, who is the second from the bottom NCHC team.

5/12 of the ECAC teams are in the top half, but 3 of those are in the bottom 4 of the top half. 2 of the ECAC teams are in the bottom 4 of all teams.

We are a good team and if we can beat Clarkson sometime, Union at least once, and get to the ECAC finals, I'll be really happy and a believer. If not, I'll be happy and believe next year should be even better.

I'll put up the rest once the polls are released.


Men’s Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank	RPI	RPI Rank

1t	Notre Dame	58	20-5-1	.7885	2t	.6056*	1
1t	Cornell	        58	18-2-1	.8810	1	.5995*	2
3	St. Cloud State	57	15-6-3	.6875	6	.5948	3
4t	Clarkson	56	19-4-3	.7885	2t	.5805	4
4t	Denver	        56	14-6-6	.6538	8t	.5788	5
6	Ohio State	54	17-5-4	.7308	4t	.5762	6
7	Minnesota State	53	19-7-0	.7308	4t	.5710*	7
8	Omaha	        52	14-11-1	.5577	15t	.5487	8
9	Providence	51	17-8-3	.6607	7	.5482	9
10	Minnesota Duluth50	14-11-3	.5536	19t	.5465	10
11t	Minnesota	48	16-13-1	.5500	21	.5463	11
11t	North Dakota	48	12-8-8	.5714	14	.5441*	12
13	Western Michigan47	13-12-1	.5192	28	.5393	13
14	Northeastern	46	15-7-4	.6538	8t	.5346	14
15	Penn State	45	13-11-4	.5357	25	.5328	15
16	Michigan	44	12-12-2	.5000	31t	.5310	16
17	Bowling Green	43	16-8-6	.6333	10	.5279	17
18	Northrn Michigan42	17-10-3	.6167	11	.5271	18
19	Wisconsin	41	13-12-4	.5172	30	.5246	19
20	Boston College	40	13-10-3	.5577	15t	.5236	20
21	Maine	        39	14-9-4	.5926	13	.5211	21
22	Bemidji State	38	14-8-6	.6071	12	.5197	22
23	Boston Univer	37	13-11-2	.5385	22t	.5192	23
24t	Miami	        36	9-12-3	.4375	41	.5147	24
24t	Colorado College36	11-11-4	.5000	31t	.5136	25
26	UMass Lowell	34	15-12-0	.5556	17t	.5110	26
27	Harvard	        33	9-8-4	.5238	27	.5094	28
28t	Union	        31	15-12-1	.5536	19t	.5098	27
28t	Mercyhurst	31	13-10-4	.5556	17t	.5009	29
30	Colgate	        30	11-11-4	.5000	31t	.5000	30
31	Canisius	29	13-11-2	.5385	22t	.4995	31
32t	Air Force	27	13-11-3	.5370	24	.4941	32
32t	Michigan Tech	27	13-11-5	.5345	26	.4917	33
34	Dartmouth	26	9-11-2	.4545	36	.4908	34
35	Quinnipiac	25	9-12-4	.4400	39t	.4875	35
36	Michigan State	24	9-16-1	.3654	50	.4874	36
37	Massachusetts	23	11-14-1	.4423	38	.4826	37
38	Yale	        22	9-11-1	.4524	37	.4819	38
39	Connecticut	21	11-16-2	.4138	46	.4803	39
40	Holy Cross	20	11-10-7	.5179	29	.4785	40
41t	Robert Morris	19	11-13-2	.4615	34	.4778	41
41t	Princeton	19	7-10-3	.4250	43	.4778	42
43t	Army	        17	9-11-5	.4600	35	.4769	43
43t	New Hampshire	17	9-13-4	.4231	44	.4721	44
45	RIT	        15	10-13-2	.4400	39t	.4695	45
46	Merrimack	14	7-15-4	.3462	54t	.4694	46
47	Niagara	        13	11-15-2	.4286	42	.4693	47
48	Ferris State	12	12-17-1	.4167	45	.4674	48
49	Bentley	        11	8-13-6	.4074	48	.4640	49
50	Amer Internat	10	10-15-3	.4107	47	.4597	50
51	Brown	        9	6-12-4	.3636	51	.4590	51
52	Alabama Hunts	8	9-17-2	.3571	53	.4559	52
53	Sacred Heart	7	7-14-4	.3600	52	.4541	53
54	Arizona State	6	7-16-5	.3393	56	.4532	54
55	Vermont	        5	7-15-4	.3462	54t	.4524	55
56	Alaska	        4	9-15-2	.3846	49	.4505	56
57	St. Lawrence	3	6-18-2	.2692	57	.4409	57
58	Rensselaer	2	4-19-4	.2222	59	.4306	58
59	Lake Superior	1	6-20-4	.2667	58	.4273	59
60	Alaska Anchorage0	2-20-4	.1538	60	.3927	60

 
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2018 11:53AM by Jim Hyla.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: KenP (---.ssmcnet.noaa.gov)
Date: January 29, 2018 12:12PM

USCHO Poll is up - [www.uscho.com]
I think it is dancing banana time again..........
wow
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 29, 2018 12:15PM

KenP
USCHO Poll is up - [www.uscho.com]
I think it is dancing banana time again..........
wow

Yeah, I don't know if we "deserve" it, but everyone else around us didn't sweep, so whaddaya gonna do? banana

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: ajh258 (208.85.160.---)
Date: January 29, 2018 12:24PM

Never thought I'd see this day in my lifetime.

There's still plenty of hockey to be played before getting too comfortable. The ultimate goals is win the Frozen 4, not win a USCHO poll (which we all know is BS and pointless).
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 12:35PM

KenP
USCHO Poll is up - [www.uscho.com]
I think it is dancing banana time again..........
wow
#1 in KRACH, too.whistle

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 12:37PM

ajh258
Never thought I'd see this day in my lifetime.

There's still plenty of hockey to be played before getting too comfortable. The ultimate goals is win the Frozen 4, not win a USCHO poll (which we all know is BS and pointless).

This. FF is all that matters, not anything before then.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: KGR11 (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 12:54PM

Between just Notre Dame and Cornell (the two teams getting almost all the #1 votes), I think Cornell has a good argument for being the #1 ranked team. We haven't beaten great teams, but we also haven't lost to bad teams. Can you really rank a team that's lost to Sacred Heart at home above Cornell at this point in the season?

Their position as #1 in the polls is definitely tenuous, but I think they have a good argument to be there at this point in time. They have done what teams with a weak strength-of-schedule need to do: have a winning percentage over 9% higher than everyone else.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: CU2007 (---.sub-70-214-82.myvzw.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 01:02PM

abmarks
ajh258
Never thought I'd see this day in my lifetime.

There's still plenty of hockey to be played before getting too comfortable. The ultimate goals is win the Frozen 4, not win a USCHO poll (which we all know is BS and pointless).

This. FF is all that matters, not anything before then.

Winning the ECAC title also matters.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: marty (---.sub-70-209-128.myvzw.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 01:05PM

CU2007
abmarks
ajh258
Never thought I'd see this day in my lifetime.

There's still plenty of hockey to be played before getting too comfortable. The ultimate goals is win the Frozen 4, not win a USCHO poll (which we all know is BS and pointless).

This. FF is all that matters, not anything before then.

Winning the ECAC title also matters.

And how bout winning 2 regional games? Snake bit since that great win over BC in '03!
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 01:09PM

KGR11
Between just Notre Dame and Cornell (the two teams getting almost all the #1 votes), I think Cornell has a good argument for being the #1 ranked team. We haven't beaten great teams, but we also haven't lost to bad teams. Can you really rank a team that's lost to Sacred Heart at home above Cornell at this point in the season?
This was the same week we tied Ottawa at home, currently 12-12 against Canadian teams.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 01:47PM

Holy fucking Christ, winning is better than losing.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: January 29, 2018 01:56PM

Ottawa pulled the goalie and scored on one of its 13 shots.. much like the first Miami a totally dominating game we let get away..

I dont know if we are the best either.. Still I have seen NorthEastern play in person and we are better than them and they are 11th so if we are top 10 quality and have by far the best record who is to say? I think there are a dozen teams with probably a bit more elite skill guys on offense, but are those teams as well rounded every night which is the one thing you can say about this team so far, the Clarkson game being the one blemish to showing up every night and giving your self a shot to win.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 02:04PM

marty
CU2007
abmarks
ajh258
Never thought I'd see this day in my lifetime.

There's still plenty of hockey to be played before getting too comfortable. The ultimate goals is win the Frozen 4, not win a USCHO poll (which we all know is BS and pointless).

This. FF is all that matters, not anything before then.

Winning the ECAC title also matters.

And how bout winning 2 regional games? Snake bit since that great win over BC in '03!

Winning the Frozen Four kinda guarantees we win two regional games right?

@CU2007- If we win the national title, you'd actually be upset if we lost the ECAC title along the way?

Let's keep our eyes on the prize, people.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: CU2007 (---.sub-70-214-82.myvzw.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 02:26PM

abmarks
marty
CU2007
abmarks
ajh258
Never thought I'd see this day in my lifetime.

There's still plenty of hockey to be played before getting too comfortable. The ultimate goals is win the Frozen 4, not win a USCHO poll (which we all know is BS and pointless).

This. FF is all that matters, not anything before then.

Winning the ECAC title also matters.

And how bout winning 2 regional games? Snake bit since that great win over BC in '03!

Winning the Frozen Four kinda guarantees we win two regional games right?

@CU2007- If we win the national title, you'd actually be upset if we lost the ECAC title along the way?

Let's keep our eyes on the prize, people.

Not at all, but if we don’t - it would be nice to hang an ECAC championship banner. My point is that both matter, not that a national championship wouldn’t make up for losing in the ECACs
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: GBR1234 (38.81.99.---)
Date: January 29, 2018 02:55PM

Up from #4 to #1 in USA Hockey/USA Today Poll
www.usahockey.com/college
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 02:55PM

The polls are nice eye candy, but it's all about the Pairwise for me.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 03:36PM

upprdeck
Ottawa pulled the goalie and scored on one of its 13 shots.. much like the first Miami a totally dominating game we let get away.

Until Ottawa is accepted into Division I they are irrelevant.



I dont know if we are the best either.. Still I have seen NorthEastern play in person and we are better than them and they are 11th so if we are top 10 quality and have by far the best record who is to say? I think there are a dozen teams with probably a bit more elite skill guys on offense, but are those teams as well rounded every night which is the one thing you can say about this team so far, the Clarkson game being the one blemish to showing up every night and giving your self a shot to win.

Worth noting that a week ago in Potsdam, Harvard and Dartmouth put nine past Kielly into the Clarkson net. They managed one this weekend playing a not-very-heathy Cornell team at home.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Cop at Lynah (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 04:19PM

Syracuse.com article

[www.syracuse.com]
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 29, 2018 04:24PM

14850.com:

[www.14850.com]

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 04:25PM

scoop85
The polls are nice eye candy, but it's all about the Pairwise for me.



 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: French Rage (38.99.127.---)
Date: January 29, 2018 04:49PM

Well I'm going to enjoy it for now.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.37.26.69.virtela.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 04:55PM

Trotsky
scoop85
The polls are nice eye candy, but it's all about the Pairwise for me.



+1
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: RichH (134.223.230.---)
Date: January 29, 2018 05:32PM

Trotsky
scoop85
The polls are nice eye candy, but it's all about the Pairwise for me.



I for one, am very happy to look over at these ceramic dalmatians we found for cheap at the Strength of Schedule flea market. I'll polish them every day this week.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 06:27PM

RichH
I for one, am very happy to look over at these ceramic dalmatians we found for cheap at the Strength of Schedule flea market. I'll polish them every day this week.
I'll give you my empty totemic fetish when you pry it from my cold, dead paws.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2018 06:29PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 06:37PM

Okay here they are, even if I'm a bit skeptical.

I'll even restate my objectives.

"We are a good team and if we can beat Clarkson sometime, Union at least once, and get to the ECAC finals, I'll be really happy and a believer. If not, I'll be happy and believe next year should be even better."
USCHO Division I Men's Poll - January 29, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Cornell	        (32)	18-2-1	978	2
2	Notre Dame	(17)	20-5-1	957	1
3	Clarkson		19-4-3	881	3
4	Denver	        (1)	14-6-6	831	4
5	Ohio State		17-5-4	787	6
6	St. Cloud State		15-6-3	779	5
7	Minnesota State		19-7-0	735	7
8	Providence		17-8-3	610	10
9	Minnesota Duluth	14-11-3	545	9
10	North Dakota		12-8-8	535	11
11	Northeastern		15-7-4	529	8
12	Minnesota		16-13-1	451	13
13	Omaha		        14-11-1	322	19
14	Bowling Green		16-8-6	310	15
15	Western Michigan	13-12-1	261	12
16	Boston College		13-10-3	219	16
17	Penn State		13-11-4	216	14
18	Wisconsin		13-12-4	190	18
19	Northern Michigan	17-10-3	167	20
20	Michigan		12-12-2	70	17

Other Receiving Votes: Maine 44, Bemidji State 23, Boston University 20, 
UMass Lowell 19, Harvard 9, Union 9, Colorado College 1, Mercyhurst 1, Colgate 1


USA TODAY/USA Hockey Magazine
				
RANK	SCHOOL	      POINTS	RECORD	PREVIOUS
1	Cornell (20)	496	18-2-1	4
2	Notre Dame (14)	489	20-5-1	1
3	Clarkson	425	19-4-3	2
4	St. Cloud State	381	15-6-3	3
5	Denver	        369	14-6-6	5
6	Ohio State	359	17-5-4	6
7	Minnesota State	332	19-7-0	8
8	Providence	258	17-8-3	10
9	Northeastern	197	15-7-4	9
10	Minnesota Duluth193	14-11-3	13
11	North Dakota	191	12-8-8	7
12	Minnesota	142	16-13-1	14
13	Omaha	        92	14-11-1	15
14	Bowling Green	62	16-8-6	NR
15	Boston College	30	13-10-3	NR

Others Receiving Votes: Western Michigan University, 26; 
Penn State University, 17; University of Wisconsin, 7; 
UMass Lowell, 5; Union College, 5; 
Northern Michigan University, 3; University of Michigan, 1

USCHO Division I Women's Poll - January 29, 2018
Rnk	Team	       (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Wisconsin	(15)	26-1-1	150	1
2	Clarkson		23-3-1	125	3
3	Boston College		24-2-3	122	3
4	Colgate		        23-4-1	112	2
5	Cornell		        13-7-2	83	6
6	Ohio State		17-7-4	76	5
7	Minnesota		19-8-2	65	7
8	St. Lawrence		14-9-3	40	8
9	Providence		14-9-6	22	10
10	Robert Morris		15-6-4	19	NR

Other Receiving Votes: Maine 7, Mercyhurst 3, Northeastern 1

Women’s National Collegiate PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR      W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank RPI	RPI Rank

1	Wisconsin	34	26-1-1	.9464	1	.6725*	1
2	Clarkson	33	23-3-1	.8704	3	.6433*	2
3	Boston College	32	24-2-3	.8793	2	.6343	3
4	Colgate	        31	23-4-1	.8393	5	.6239*	4
5	Ohio State	30	17-7-4	.6786	8	.5689	6
6	Cornell	        29	13-7-2	.6364	10	.5646*	7
7	Minnesota	28	19-8-2	.6897	6	.5645	8
8	St. Lawrence	27	14-9-3	.5962	13	.5452	9
9	Providence	26	14-9-6	.5862	14	.5379	10
10	Northeastern	25	13-12-3	.5179	16	.5377	11
11	Maine	        24	16-9-3	.6250	11t	.5344	12
12	Robert Morris	23	15-6-4	.6800	7	.5316	13

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 07:32PM

I'm not following what there is to be skeptical about. PWR is math. The polls are just a bunch of old white dudes' opinions like ours'.

If you doubt the metrics capture an underlying objective value, well, yeah -- I'm sure they don't, but that loose coupling of the indicator and the indicated is always with us; it didn't just pop into being when we got to be #1.

You are what your record says you are, and right now, despite a lousy SOS on the PWR, despite EZAC bias from the polls, we are #1. By definition, that means... we are #1.

C'est une pipe.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2018 07:32PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 07:39PM

Jim Hyla
If not, I'll be happy and believe next year should be even better.
One objection, not to you but to the idea as a whole.

We all know how rare this is, to be very good, to have everything going right, and not to have some immovable Dread Obstacle like RPI '85 or Harvard '89 in our path. There was no last year; there will be no next year. Time has stopped. This year hangs as a motionless pendulum in empty space. It's the whole universe from now until the Summer.


Great moments are born from great opportunity, and that's what you have here tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight.

This doesn't happen often. I'm almost 55 and I don't exercise. I don't have time to f-ck around anymore.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2018 07:41PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: toddlose (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 09:00PM

Trotsky
Jim Hyla
If not, I'll be happy and believe next year should be even better.
One objection, not to you but to the idea as a whole.

We all know how rare this is, to be very good, to have everything going right, and not to have some immovable Dread Obstacle like RPI '85 or Harvard '89 in our path. There was no last year; there will be no next year. Time has stopped. This year hangs as a motionless pendulum in empty space. It's the whole universe from now until the Summer.


Great moments are born from great opportunity, and that's what you have here tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight.

This doesn't happen often. I'm almost 55 and I don't exercise. I don't have time to f-ck around anymore.

+1!!!!
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 09:16PM

Trotsky
I'm not following what there is to be skeptical about. PWR is math. The polls are just a bunch of old white dudes' opinions like ours'.
Yeah, but what is math? Our #1 ranking says that we are doing almost as well as possible against a mediocre slate. That doesn't make it *not* a mediocre slate and it isn't nuts to be skeptical. Blind obedience to the machines is the crazy path here when we know the inputs and are identifying the issues with them. It's not like we're mumbling about intangibles.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: January 29, 2018 09:39PM

Trotsky
Jim Hyla
If not, I'll be happy and believe next year should be even better.
One objection, not to you but to the idea as a whole.

We all know how rare this is, to be very good, to have everything going right, and not to have some immovable Dread Obstacle like RPI '85 or Harvard '89 in our path. There was no last year; there will be no next year. Time has stopped. This year hangs as a motionless pendulum in empty space. It's the whole universe from now until the Summer.


Great moments are born from great opportunity, and that's what you have here tonight, boys. That's what you've earned here tonight.

This doesn't happen often. I'm almost 55 and I don't exercise. I don't have time to f-ck around anymore.

Well, I too am almost 55 and just got off the elliptical :-P. But I’m also a cancer survivor who can stand to lose a few pounds, and I’d like to see Cornell win a team championship in an NCAA sport (sorry, polo team) before I kick. I was there in Foxboro in 2009 for the game that shall not be named, and this year’s team at least gives us a chance to dream. There are some very good teams out there, but I don’t see anything like Maine with Paul Kariya on the horizon.

We have a solid and deep team, and hopefully will get Green and Malott back soon—I thought we were running out of gas at the end of the Dartmouth game. If we can maintain our health and stay aggressive on offense, I think we can be in the mix.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 10:21PM

If we don't get Green back (no reason to think we wouldn't, as far as I know), we are in huge trouble. Mallott is a great player, but we are way deeper at forward.

Re: rankings, expectations, etc.: yeah, Cornell isn't the best team in the country. The team with the #1 ranking, only twenty games into the season, rarely is. In addition to the small sample size it has to work with, the PWR is imperfect in how it doesn't take into account score differential, or lucky bounces, or injuries. And even if we were the best team going into the NCAAs, our chances of winning it all would be, what, 1-in-8?

What our amazing start affords us is an opportunity--we have positioned ourselves to make a run, in the ECAC and in the NCAA. That's all you can ask for going into a single-elimination hockey tournament. Expecting anything more than that is just setting yourself up to be disappointed. In the end, it will be the Friday and Saturday nights at Lynah, not any number of championships, that we look back on most fondly.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2018 10:22PM by BearLover.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 10:37PM

scoop85
Well, I too am almost 55 and just got off the elliptical




"Will Smith don't gotta cuss in his raps to sell records" / "Well I do.

So fuck him and fuck you too."

;-)































Do we still have to put emoticons on everything?
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: January 29, 2018 10:55PM

BearLover
In the end, it will be the Friday and Saturday nights at Lynah, not any number of championships, that we look back on most fondly.

Actually, most of the Friday and Saturday nights at Lynah moosh into each other over time. (Except for, off the top of my head, vs. Harvard in fall '95; vs. Vermont in fall '96; vs. Princeton in winter '94; etc.) It's the nights at other schools' rinks that are burned into my head. Many of my favorite memories from days on the Hill burnish following the team on the road and the resultant hijinks to a nostalgic sheen.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 03:35AM

Some perspective:

Prior #1s in USCHO poll closest to 29 Jan, and their fate:

Year	Team	        1/29ish	 Final 	NC$$	Stretch
2018 Cornell 18-2-1 2017 Minn-Duluth 17-5-4 28- 7-7 2 11-2-3 2016 Quinnipiac 20-1-5 32- 4-7 2 12-3-2 2015 North Dakota 18-5-2 29-10-3 SF 11-5-1 2014 Minnesota 18-2-4 28- 7-6 2 10-5-2 2013 Minnesota 18-4-4 26- 9-5 1R 11-5-1 2012 Minn-Duluth 17-5-4 25-10-6 QF 8-5-2 2011 Boston College 18-6-0 30- 8-1 1R 12-2-1 2010 Miami 18-4-6 29- 8-7 SF 11-4-1 2009 Notre Dame 19-3-3 31- 6-3 1R 12-3-0 2008 Miami 25-3-0 33- 8-1 QF 8-5-1 2007 New Hampshire 19-4-1 26-11-2 1R 7-7-1

All 11 made the tournament.

7 won at least one round.

5 made the Frozen Four.

3 were runners-up

Zero won the national title.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 07:29AM

by that math odds say it has to happen some time.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 30, 2018 07:44AM

upprdeck
by that math odds say it has to happen some time.

Odds don't work that way. The law of large numbers simply says it's extremely likely to happen sometime.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.37.26.69.virtela.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 08:09AM

STFU and enjoy the damn ride, all of you!

drive
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 08:12AM

Trotsky
Zero won the national title.
How about #1s at the start of the NCAAs?
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: KenP (---.ssmcnet.noaa.gov)
Date: January 30, 2018 08:23AM

BearLover
Trotsky
Zero won the national title.
How about #1s at the start of the NCAAs?
How about #1s at the end of the NCAAs?
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: DL (---.smartone.com)
Date: January 30, 2018 09:16AM

I genuinely love it when Trotsky trots the numbers out with an unspoken "you're grounded!"
So much opinioneering out there, I'm hella thankful for the hard-numbers grounding. And it comes for free.

Trotsky
Some perspective:

Prior #1s in USCHO poll closest to 29 Jan, and their fate:

Year	Team	        1/29ish	 Final 	NC$$	Stretch
2018 Cornell 18-2-1 2017 Minn-Duluth 17-5-4 28- 7-7 2 11-2-3 2016 Quinnipiac 20-1-5 32- 4-7 2 12-3-2 2015 North Dakota 18-5-2 29-10-3 SF 11-5-1 2014 Minnesota 18-2-4 28- 7-6 2 10-5-2 2013 Minnesota 18-4-4 26- 9-5 1R 11-5-1 2012 Minn-Duluth 17-5-4 25-10-6 QF 8-5-2 2011 Boston College 18-6-0 30- 8-1 1R 12-2-1 2010 Miami 18-4-6 29- 8-7 SF 11-4-1 2009 Notre Dame 19-3-3 31- 6-3 1R 12-3-0 2008 Miami 25-3-0 33- 8-1 QF 8-5-1 2007 New Hampshire 19-4-1 26-11-2 1R 7-7-1

All 11 made the tournament.

7 won at least one round.

5 made the Frozen Four.

3 were runners-up

Zero won the national title.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: January 30, 2018 09:27AM

Beeeej
upprdeck
by that math odds say it has to happen some time.

Odds don't work that way. The law of large numbers simply says it's extremely likely to happen sometime.

thats why mathematicians dont gamble because they dont understand how odds work.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: redice (---.fltg.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 09:34AM

I'm going to just enjoy this week.... Knowing, full well, that things could be different as soon as next week. So, pardon me while I put my "Live at Lynah" CD back on & enjoy the ride... I'll check back next week for a re-charge, thank you......

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Give My Regards (98.159.213.---)
Date: January 30, 2018 09:38AM

BearLover
Trotsky
Zero won the national title.
How about #1s at the start of the NCAAs?

Since the 16-team tournament began in 2003, the #1 overall seed has won the championship four times: Wisconsin in 2006 (screw you, Brian Elliott!), BU in 2009, BC in 2012, and Denver last year. That may not correspond with #1 in the polls at the start of the NCAAs, but who cares what humans think anyway.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.ipyx-102276-zyo.zip.zayo.com)
Date: January 30, 2018 09:46AM

Beeeej
upprdeck
by that math odds say it has to happen some time.

Odds don't work that way. The law of large numbers simply says it's extremely likely to happen sometime.
he knoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooows

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 10:03AM

redice
I'm going to just enjoy this week.... Knowing, full well, that things could be different as soon as next week. So, pardon me while I put my "Live at Lynah" CD back on & enjoy the ride... I'll check back next week for a re-charge, thank you......

Speaking of... isn't it about time the band did another one? We need to immortalize Knights of Cydonia before The Kids (TM) start playing Arctic Monkeys, shoe gaze or some such shit.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2018 10:04AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.37.26.69.virtela.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 05:19PM

Trotsky
redice
I'm going to just enjoy this week.... Knowing, full well, that things could be different as soon as next week. So, pardon me while I put my "Live at Lynah" CD back on & enjoy the ride... I'll check back next week for a re-charge, thank you......

Speaking of... isn't it about time the band did another one? We need to immortalize Knights of Cydonia before The Kids (TM) start playing Arctic Monkeys, shoe gaze or some such shit.

We can't get them to stop playing Macho Man. Why should we worry about them not playing something from their generation?
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 06:59PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
redice
I'm going to just enjoy this week.... Knowing, full well, that things could be different as soon as next week. So, pardon me while I put my "Live at Lynah" CD back on & enjoy the ride... I'll check back next week for a re-charge, thank you......

Speaking of... isn't it about time the band did another one? We need to immortalize Knights of Cydonia before The Kids (TM) start playing Arctic Monkeys, shoe gaze or some such shit.

We can't get them to stop playing Macho Man. Why should we worry about them not playing something from their generation?
Arctic Monkeys and shoe gaze are from way before the current brats' generation. By definition, if we have heard of anything they are listening to it's the equivalent of the Osmonds.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: January 30, 2018 08:21PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
redice
I'm going to just enjoy this week.... Knowing, full well, that things could be different as soon as next week. So, pardon me while I put my "Live at Lynah" CD back on & enjoy the ride... I'll check back next week for a re-charge, thank you......



Speaking of... isn't it about time the band did another one? We need to immortalize Knights of Cydonia before The Kids (TM) start playing Arctic Monkeys, shoe gaze or some such shit.

We can't get them to stop playing Macho Man. Why should we worry about them not playing something from their generation?

Don't hold your breath. Apparently that's Galajda's song now. He was all smiles when the alumni band played it at Yale.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.37.26.69.virtela.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 07:49AM

Chris '03
Jeff Hopkins '82
Trotsky
redice
I'm going to just enjoy this week.... Knowing, full well, that things could be different as soon as next week. So, pardon me while I put my "Live at Lynah" CD back on & enjoy the ride... I'll check back next week for a re-charge, thank you......



Speaking of... isn't it about time the band did another one? We need to immortalize Knights of Cydonia before The Kids (TM) start playing Arctic Monkeys, shoe gaze or some such shit.

We can't get them to stop playing Macho Man. Why should we worry about them not playing something from their generation?

Don't hold your breath. Apparently that's Galajda's song now. He was all smiles when the alumni band played it at Yale.

Great. Just f-in wonderful. help
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 08:43AM

Hey, if it makes Matt feel comfortable then we play Lady of Fucking Spain at every stoppage. If he's happy, we're happy.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 08:49AM

Trotsky
Hey, if it makes Matt feel comfortable then we play Lady of Fucking Spain at every stoppage. If he's happy, we're happy.

I'm unfamiliar with that song. Can you direct us to its lyrics?
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 09:18AM

Swampy
Trotsky
Hey, if it makes Matt feel comfortable then we play Lady of Fucking Spain at every stoppage. If he's happy, we're happy.

I'm unfamiliar with that song. Can you direct us to its lyrics?

[www.youtube.com]
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: French Rage (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 10:48AM

Am I the only one who likes Macho Man MORE because everyone else is ticked off by it? (Also, I was at that SLU game so I'm allowed to do the mocking gestures.)

 
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03/28/03: BU 6, Harvard 4
03/26/04: Maine 5, Harvard 4
03/26/05: UNH 3, Harvard 2
03/25/06: Maine 6, Harvard 1
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Swampy (---.163.128.131.dhcp.uri.edu)
Date: January 31, 2018 02:07PM

Trotsky
Swampy
Trotsky
Hey, if it makes Matt feel comfortable then we play Lady of Fucking Spain at every stoppage. If he's happy, we're happy.

I'm unfamiliar with that song. Can you direct us to its lyrics?

[www.youtube.com]

That video is about "Lady of Spain," with which I'm familiar. But that's not what you said. The song you named sounds more interesting.

But thanks anyway, as it's been a long time since I've watched Slap Shot. Excellent memory you have there.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 03:55PM

Swampy
Trotsky
Swampy
Trotsky
Hey, if it makes Matt feel comfortable then we play Lady of Fucking Spain at every stoppage. If he's happy, we're happy.

I'm unfamiliar with that song. Can you direct us to its lyrics?

[www.youtube.com]

That video is about "Lady of Spain," with which I'm familiar. But that's not what you said. The song you named sounds more interesting.

But thanks anyway, as it's been a long time since I've watched Slap Shot. Excellent memory you have there.
I've always assumed his reaction indicates a scene that was cut. Yes, he's been in enough rinks to hate the sound of the synthesized barrel organ, but even so, Reg seems to be recalling something very specific.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Swampy (---.163.128.131.dhcp.uri.edu)
Date: January 31, 2018 04:31PM

Like everyone else on this forum, I'm thrilled that we're #1 but also skeptical about the ranking's accuracy.

One thing I'd really like to see is our powerplay being more effective. Currently we're ranked #41 at 16.7%, but with our offense being ranked #9 I don't see why we shouldn't be at least in the top 25, which would require at least 20%. Your thoughts?
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: RichH (134.223.230.---)
Date: January 31, 2018 05:16PM

Swampy
Like everyone else on this forum, I'm thrilled that we're #1 but also skeptical about the ranking's accuracy.

One thing I'd really like to see is our powerplay being more effective. Currently we're ranked #41 at 16.7%, but with our offense being ranked #9 I don't see why we shouldn't be at least in the top 25, which would require at least 20%. Your thoughts?

IIRC, we started out really well, holding above 30% for the first few weeks. Then, when the PK hit a rough spot, the PP % started falling as well. The PK has recovered, but not the PP. Really, the 5x5 play has buoyed the offense all season, which is a difference in past teams. The best teams in the Schafer era have always been strong on special teams. It's one of those things that makes me a bit nervous.

Edit: It's an even scarier picture when you only look at conference games. The PP% in ECAC games is only 11.7%, ranking #11 out of 12. Eek. But the ECAC PK% is 90%, the best in league play.

Not to mention this team hasn't scored more than 3 goals in a game in nearly a month, but they're still hanging in the Top-10 for GPG.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2018 05:27PM by RichH.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: January 31, 2018 05:25PM

RichH
Swampy
Like everyone else on this forum, I'm thrilled that we're #1 but also skeptical about the ranking's accuracy.

One thing I'd really like to see is our powerplay being more effective. Currently we're ranked #41 at 16.7%, but with our offense being ranked #9 I don't see why we shouldn't be at least in the top 25, which would require at least 20%. Your thoughts?

IIRC, we started out really well, holding above 30% for the first few weeks. Then, when the PK hit a rough spot, the PP % started falling as well. The PK has recovered, but not the PP. Really, the 5x5 play has buoyed the offense all season, which is a difference in past teams. The best teams in the Schafer era have always been strong on special teams. It's one of those things that makes me a bit nervous.

Malott spent a decent amount of time on the PP before he got hurt, no? Could account for at least some of the difference.

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-217-17.myvzw.com)
Date: January 31, 2018 06:20PM

Watching most of the games, I've really liked how our PP has looked. This is very subjective, but I think we're getting better chances than the results suggest. Unlike some of our recent years, where our PP has looked ugly.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: osorojo (---.res.bhn.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 07:15PM

It seems this Cornell hockey team succeeds because of a team and teamwork rather than being borne upon the backs of a few superstars. This conflicts with current team sports wisdom, or at least current sports reporting, where superstars are the cause success and failure. This attitude is reflected in (or a partner to) the current opinion that the efforts of a few political superstars is responsible for the success or failure of government.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 07:25PM

Dafatone
Watching most of the games, I've really liked how our PP has looked. This is very subjective, but I think we're getting better chances than the results suggest. Unlike some of our recent years, where our PP has looked ugly.
Me too. We cycle low well, we take advantage of guys actually breaking to the net.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: January 31, 2018 10:14PM

Beeeej
RichH
Swampy
Like everyone else on this forum, I'm thrilled that we're #1 but also skeptical about the ranking's accuracy.

One thing I'd really like to see is our powerplay being more effective. Currently we're ranked #41 at 16.7%, but with our offense being ranked #9 I don't see why we shouldn't be at least in the top 25, which would require at least 20%. Your thoughts?

IIRC, we started out really well, holding above 30% for the first few weeks. Then, when the PK hit a rough spot, the PP % started falling as well. The PK has recovered, but not the PP. Really, the 5x5 play has buoyed the offense all season, which is a difference in past teams. The best teams in the Schafer era have always been strong on special teams. It's one of those things that makes me a bit nervous.

Malott spent a decent amount of time on the PP before he got hurt, no? Could account for at least some of the difference.

Didn't he just get hurt during the Colgate weekend?
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 03, 2018 12:02AM

from the uscho stub recap. how can this be right?

 
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2018 12:30AM

ugarte
from the uscho stub recap. how can this be right?
My guess: in 2003 they were #1 in one poll and #2 in the other, and in the 60s and 70s they didn't have polls. No idea if either of those things are right. Actually, the most likely is that USCHO is incorrect.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 03, 2018 05:04AM

They didn't get all the first place votes in 2003. I guess they do not recognize the polls from the Archaic Age.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 05, 2018 01:18PM

On 2/5 we drop to 3 in USCHO, holding 4 first place votes. Clarkson drops all the way to 7.
 1. Notre Dame
 2. Denver
 3. Cornell
 4. St. Cloud

 5. Mankato
 6. Ohio State
 7. Clarkson
 8. North Dakota

 9. Providence
10. Duluth
11. Northeastern
12. Minnesota

13. UNO
14. Bowling Green
15. Western Michigan
16. Penn State
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: jeff '84 (64.74.86.---)
Date: February 05, 2018 01:32PM

Trotsky
On 2/5 we drop to 3 in USCHO, holding 4 first place votes. Clarkson drops all the way to 7.
 1. Notre Dame
 2. Denver
 3. Cornell
 4. St. Cloud

 5. Mankato
 6. Ohio State
 7. Clarkson
 8. North Dakota

 9. Providence
10. Duluth
11. Northeastern
12. Minnesota

13. UNO
14. Bowling Green
15. Western Michigan
16. Penn State

... and drop to #4 in USA Today (Clarkson drops to #7 in that poll as well.)
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Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 05, 2018 02:45PM

USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 5, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll
1       Notre Dame	(36)	21-5-2	982	2
2	Denver	        (8)	16-6-6	927	4
3	Cornell	        (4)	19-3-1	896	1
4	St. Cloud State	(2)	17-6-3	867	6
5	Minnesota State		21-7-0	779	7
6	Ohio State		18-6-4	757	5
7	Clarkson		19-6-3	735	3
8	North Dakota		12-8-8	606	10
9	Providence		17-9-4	567	8
10	Minnesota Duluth	14-13-3	501	9
11	Northeastern		15-7-5	494	11
12	Minnesota		16-13-1	491	12
13	Omaha		        14-13-1	366	13
14	Bowling Green		17-9-6	308	14
15	Western Michigan	14-13-1	303	15
16	Penn State		13-12-5	202	17
17	Wisconsin		14-13-4	194	18
18	Boston College		13-11-3	138	16
19	Michigan		13-13-2	128	20
20	Northern Michigan	18-11-3	127	19

Other Receiving Votes: Boston University 44, Maine 37, 
UMass Lowell 21, Harvard 13, Union 9, Bemidji State 4, 
Mercyhurst 2, Canisius 1, Quinnipiac 1


Men's Poll
(2017-18 Season, Week #18 - Feb. 5)

Rank      Team                            Last Week    Record Weeks in Poll
1 	University of Notre Dame,  498 (26) 2 	21-5-2 	18
2 	University of Denver,      460 (6)  5 	16-6-6 	18
3 	St. Cloud State University,433 	    4 	17-6-3 	18
4 	Cornell University,        432 (2)  1 	19-3-1 	12
5 	Minnesota State University,356 	    7 	21-7-0 	17
6 	Ohio State University,     347 	    6 	18-6-4 	9
7 	Clarkson University,       332 	    3 	19-6-3 	16
8 	University of North Dakota,258 	   11 	12-8-8 	18
9 	University of Minnesota,   204 	   12 	16-13-1 18
10 	Providence College,        200 	    8 	117-9-4 18
11 	Northeastern University,   179 	    9 	15-7-5 	17
12 	UniversityMinnesota Duluth 144 	   10 	14-13-3 15
13 	University Nebraska Omaha  97 	   13 	14-13-1 4
14 	Western Michigan University55 	    - 	14-13-1 11
15 	Bowling Green State Univer 41 	   14 	17-9-6 	3

Others Receiving Votes: Penn State University, 16;  University of Michigan, 9; 
University of Wisconsin, 9; Boston College, 7; UMass Lowell, 3.

Men’s Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T   Win % Win % Rank RPI	RPI Rank
1t	Notre Dame	58	21-5-2	.7857	2	.6080*	1
1t	St. Cloud State	58	17-6-3	.7115	6	.6007	2
1t	Denver	        58	16-6-6	.6786	7	.5860	3
4	Cornell	        56	19-3-1	.8478	1	.5857*	4
5	Minnesota State	55	21-7-0	.7500	3	.5728*	5
6	Ohio State	54	18-6-4	.7143	5	.5699	6
7	Clarkson	53	19-6-3	.7321	4	.5665	7
8	North Dakota	51	12-8-8	.5714	13	.5437*	9
9t	Minnesota	50	16-13-1	.5500	19t	.5459	8
9t	Omaha	        50	14-13-1	.5179	25t	.5405	10
9t	Minnesota Duluth50	14-13-3	.5167	27t	.5386	11
12	Providence	48	17-9-4	.6333	9	.5380	12
13	Western Michigan47	14-13-1	.5179	25t	.5380	13
14	Northeastern	46	15-7-5	.6481	8	.5317	14
15	Michigan	45	13-13-2	.5000	31t	.5282	15
16	Penn State	44	13-12-5	.5167	27t	.5281	16
17	Wisconsin	43	14-13-4	.5161	30	.5266	17
18	Bowling Green	42	17-9-6	.6250	10	.5248	18
19	North Michigan	41	18-11-3	.6094	11	.5246	19
20	Boston Univer	40	14-11-2	.5556	15t	.5215	20
21	Boston College	39	13-11-3	.5370	22	.5206	21
22	Maine	        38	15-10-4	.5862	12	.5177	22
23	Harvard	        37	10-8-4	.5455	21	.5174	23
24	Colorado College36	11-11-4	.5000	31t	.5144	24
25t	Union	        34	16-13-1	.5500	19t	.5118	25
25t	UMass Lowell	34	15-12-0	.5556	15t	.5115	26
25t	Miami	        34	10-13-3	.4423	42	.5112	27

USCHO Division I Women's Poll - February 5, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Clarkson	(7)	26-3-1	141	2
2	Wisconsin	(5)	26-3-1	136	1
3	Boston College	(3)	24-2-3	124	3
4	Colgate		        25-4-1	98	4
5	Ohio State		19-7-4	95	6
6	Cornell		        14-7-3	69	5
7	Minnesota		20-8-3	65	7
8	St. Lawrence		16-9-3	47	8
9	Robert Morris		15-6-4	22	10
9	Maine		        17-9-4	22	NR

Other Receiving Votes: Providence 3, Mercyhurst 2, Minnesota Duluth 1

Women’s National Collegiate PairWise Rankings
Click on a column header to sort by that column.
Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank	 RPI	RPI Rank

1	Wisconsin	34	26-3-1	.8833	1t	.6433*	1
2	Clarkson	33	26-3-1	.8833	1t	.6396*	2
3	Boston College	32	24-2-3	.8793	3	.6319	3
4	Colgate	        31	25-4-1	.8500	5	.6242*	4
5	Ohio State	30	19-7-4	.7000	6	.5850	5
6	Minnesota	29	20-8-3	.6935	8	.5648	7
7	Cornell	        28	14-7-3	.6458	11	.5606*	8
8	St. Lawrence	27	16-9-3	.6250	13	.5485	9
9	Maine	        26	17-9-4	.6333	12	.5395	10
10	Robert Morris	25	15-6-4	.6800	9	.5352	11
11	Northeastern	24	13-13-3	.5000	17t	.5304	12
12	Providence	23	14-11-6	.5484	14	.5243	13
13	New Hampshire	22	13-11-7	.5323	16	.5232	14
14	Minnesota Duluth21	12-13-3	.4821	21	.5197	16
15	Quinnipiac	20	15-13-2	.5333	15	.5151	17

 
___________________________
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 11, 2018 02:38PM

Here's the PWR, I'll put the polls up tomorrow.

Men’s Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank	RPI	RPI Rank

1	St. Cloud State	59	19-6-3	.7321	4	.6064	1
2	Denver	        58	16-6-6	.6786	7	.5859	3
3	Notre Dame	57	22-6-2	.7667	2t	.6020*	2
4	Cornell	        56	20-3-2	.8400	1	.5841*	4
5	Minnesota State	55	23-7-0	.7667	2t	.5781*	5
6	Ohio State	54	19-7-4	.7000	6	.5714	6
7	Clarkson	53	19-6-5	.7167	5	.5621	7
8	Providence	51	18-9-4	.6452	8	.5427	9
9t	Minnesota	50	18-13-1	.5781	13t	.5536	8
9t	Omaha	        50	14-13-1	.5179	25t	.5410	10
9t	Minnesota Duluth50	14-13-3	.5167	27t	.5385	11
12	North Dakota	48	13-9-8	.5667	16t	.5379*	12
13	Western Michigan47	14-13-1	.5179	25t	.5375	13
14	Michigan	46	14-13-3	.5167	27t	.5309	14
15	Northeastern	45	16-8-5	.6379	9	.5302	15
16	North Michigan	44	20-11-3	.6324	10	.5282	16
17	Penn State	43	13-12-5	.5167	27t	.5280	17
18	Bowling Green	42	17-9-6	.6250	11	.5247	18
19	Boston Univer   41	15-11-3	.5690	15	.5243	19
20	Wisconsin	40	14-15-4	.4848	33	.5198	21
21	Boston College	39	14-12-3	.5345	21	.5202	20
22t	Union	        37	18-13-1	.5781	13t	.5180	22
22t	Colorado College37	12-12-4	.5000	30t	.5169	23
24	Maine	        36	15-11-4	.5667	16t	.5146	24
25	UMass Lowell	35	16-14-0	.5333	22t	.5083	25
26t	Harvard	        34	10-10-4	.5000	30t	.5067	26
26t	Miami	        34	10-15-3	.4107	45	.5063	27

Women’s National Collegiate PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win %  Win % Rank RPI	RPI Rank

1	Wisconsin	34	27-3-2	.8750	1	.6373*	1
2	Boston College	33	25-3-3	.8548	5	.6271	2
3	Clarkson	32	27-4-1	.8594	3t	.6255*	3
4	Colgate	        31	27-4-1	.8594	3t	.6255*	4
5	Ohio State	30	20-8-4	.6875	8t	.5767	6
6	Cornell	        29	17-7-3	.6852	10	.5666*	7
7	Minnesota	28	20-8-3	.6935	7	.5644	8
8	St. Lawrence	27	17-9-4	.6333	12	.5499	9
9	Maine	        26	17-9-5	.6290	13	.5390	10
10	Robert Morris	25	17-6-4	.7037	6	.5387	11
11	Northeastern	24	14-14-3	.5000	17t	.5322	12
12	New Hampshire	23	14-11-7	.5469	14t	.5318	13
13	Providence	22	14-11-7	.5469	14t	.5258	14
14	Minnesota Duluth21	12-14-4	.4667	21	.5183	16
15	Quinnipiac	20	15-14-3	.5156	16	.5140	18

 
___________________________
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: KenP (137.75.68.---)
Date: February 12, 2018 01:09PM

Cornell and St. Cloud swap spots. Men drop to #4 still receiving 7 first place votes. Not a whole lot of spread in the top four. Quickly drops off in a tight race for #5 and #6, then the rest of the field.

Women are up to #5.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 12, 2018 01:20PM

USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 12, 2018
Rnk	Team	       (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Notre Dame	(15)	22-6-2	945	1
2	Denver	        (15)	16-6-6	933	2
3	St. Cloud State	(13)	19-6-3	905	4
4	Cornell	         (7)	20-3-2	889	3
5	Minnesota State		23-7-0	796	5
6	Ohio State		19-7-4	790	6
7	Clarkson		19-6-5	695	7
8	Providence		18-9-4	625	9
9	North Dakota		13-9-8	557	8
10	Minnesota		18-13-1	546	12
11	Minnesota Duluth	14-13-3	499	10
12	Northeastern		16-8-5	450	11
13	Omaha		        14-13-1	374	13
14	Bowling Green		17-9-6	304	14
15	Western Michigan	14-13-1	289	15
16	Penn State		13-12-5	200	16
17	Northern Michigan	20-11-3	181	20
18	Michigan		14-13-3	149	19
19	Boston College		14-12-3	120	18
20	Boston University	15-11-3	82	NR

Other Receiving Votes: Wisconsin 53, Union 49, Maine 21, UMass Lowell 17, 
Mercyhurst 15, Harvard 7, Bemidji State 5, Colorado College 4

I'll add USA whenever it gets easily posted.

USCHO Division I Women's Poll - February 12, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Wisconsin	(12)	27-3-2	146	2
2	Clarkson	(2)	27-4-1	131	1
3	Colgate	        (1)	27-4-1	117	4
4	Boston College		25-3-3	116	3
5	Cornell		        17-7-3	80	6
6	Ohio State		20-8-4	79	5
7	Minnesota		20-8-3	66	7
8	St. Lawrence		17-9-4	45	8
9	Robert Morris		17-6-4	22	9

Other Receiving Votes: Providence 7, New Hampshire 2, 
Minnesota Duluth 2, Mercyhurst 1

 
___________________________
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: jeff '84 (64.74.86.---)
Date: February 12, 2018 02:26PM

Stay at #4 in USA Today poll...
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 12, 2018 02:32PM

jeff '84
Stay at #4 in USA Today poll...
It's out? I don't see it.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 12, 2018 02:54PM

Trotsky
jeff '84
Stay at #4 in USA Today poll...
It's out? I don't see it.

Maybe no article, but it was posted before noon.

[www.uscho.com]


EDIT: I'm an idiot. you guys were talking USA Today...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2018 02:56PM by abmarks.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: RichH (---.northgrum.com)
Date: February 12, 2018 02:56PM

Trotsky
jeff '84
Stay at #4 in USA Today poll...
It's out? I don't see it.

[www.usahockey.com]
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 12, 2018 03:44PM

USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
February 12, 2018
	Team	               Points (First) Last Poll	Record

1	University Notre Dame   490	(14)	1	22-6-2
2	St. Cloud State Univer	469	(13)	3	19-6-3
3	University of Denver	463	(6)	2	16-6-6
4	Cornell University	425	(1)	4	20-3-2
5	Minnesota State Univery	381		5	23-7-0
6	Ohio State University	351		6	19-7-4
7	Clarkson University	308		7	19-6-5
8	Providence College	243		10	18-9-4
9	University of Minnesota	217		9	18-13-1
10	University North Dakota	205		8	13-9-8
11	Northeastern University	163		11	16-8-5
12	Univer Minnesota Duluth	115		12	14-13-3
13	Univer Nebraska Omaha	89		13	14-13-1
14	Bowling Green UniVER    58		15	17-9-6
15	Western Michigan Univer 34		14	14-13-1
	
Others receiving votes: Boston College 18, University of Michigan 14, 
Northern Michigan University 12, Penn State University 11, 
Boston University 6, Union College 5, UMass Lowell 3.

 
___________________________
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 19, 2018 12:38PM

Men are 2 in USCHO and women are 5. No USA out yet.

 
___________________________
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: RichH (134.223.116.---)
Date: February 19, 2018 02:31PM

Jim Hyla
Men are 2 in USCHO and women are 5. No USA out yet.

Also #2 in USA Men's poll.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: jeff '84 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 19, 2018 04:10PM

RichH
Jim Hyla
Men are 2 in USCHO and women are 5. No USA out yet.

Also #2 in USA Men's poll.

[www.usahockey.com]
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 19, 2018 06:11PM

Here's all of them, except for USA's women, which I refuse to do, since it waits till Tuesday to come out.

USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 19, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	St. Cloud State	(28)	20-6-4	967	3
2	Cornell	        (18)	22-3-2	940	4
3	Denver	        (3)	17-7-6	878	2
4	Minnesota State	(1)	25-7-0	853	5
5	Notre Dame		22-8-2	845	1
6	Ohio State		19-8-5	695	6
7	Providence		20-9-4	687	8
8	Minnesota		19-13-2	619	10
9	Minnesota Duluth	16-13-3	550	11
10	Clarkson		19-8-5	546	7
11	Northeastern		19-8-5	527	12
12	North Dakota		14-10-8	499	9
13	Michigan		16-13-3	355	18
14	Omaha		        15-14-1	345	13
15	Bowling Green		19-9-6	312	14
16	Northern Michigan	20-11-3	222	17
17	Western Michigan	14-14-2	201	15
18	Penn State		14-13-5	133	16
19	Union		        20-13-1	119	NR
20	Boston College		16-13-3	114	19

Other Receiving Votes: Boston University 41, Harvard 18, 
Wisconsin 12, Mercyhurst 10, Colorado College 5, Maine 3, 
Bemidji State 2, UMass Lowell 1, Connecticut 1

USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
February 19, 2018
	Team	               Points (First) Last Poll	Record

1	St. Cloud State Univer  500	(26)	2	20-6-4
2	Cornell University	471	(8)	4	22-3-2
3	University of Notre Dame424		1	22-8-2
4	University of Denver	409		3	17-7-6
5	Minnesota State Univer	398		5	25-7-0
6	Ohio State University	302		6	19-8-5
7	Providence College	287		8	20-9-4
8	University of Minnesota	264		9	19-13-2
9	Clarkson University	206		7	19-8-5
10	Northeastern University	195		11	19-8-5
11	Univer Minnesota Duluth	176		12	16-13-3
12	University North Dakota	175		10	14-10-8
13	University of Michigan	 92		NR	16-13-3
14	Univer Nebraska Omaha	 77		13	15-14-1
15	Bowling Green University 51		14	19-9-6

Others receiving votes: Western Michigan University 19, 
Union College 10, Northern Michigan University 8, 
Penn State University 6, Boston College 6, Boston University 4.

Men's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win %  Win % Rank  RPI	RPI Rank

1	St. Cloud State	59	20-6-4	0.7333	3	0.6049	1
2	Notre Dame	57	22-8-2	0.7188	4	0.5871*	2
2	Cornell	        57	22-3-2	0.8519	1	0.5848*	3
4	Minnesota State	56	25-7-0	0.7812	2	0.5771*	4
4	Denver	        56	17-7-6	0.6667	8	0.5762	5
6	Ohio State	54	19-8-5	0.6719	5	0.5682	6
7	Clarkson	52	19-8-5	0.6719	5	0.5529	8
8	Minnesota	51	19-13-2	0.5882	14	0.5563	7
8	Providence	51	20-9-4	0.6667	8	0.5465	9
8	Minnesota Duluth51	16-13-3	0.5469	20	0.5432	10
11	Michigan	49	16-13-3	0.5469	20	0.5427	11
12	Northeastern	48	19-8-5	0.6719	5	0.5403	12
13	North Dakota	47	14-10-8	0.5625	16	0.5396*	13
14	Omaha	        46	15-14-1	0.5167	26	0.5375	14
15	Western Michigan45	14-14-2	0.5000	28	0.5325	15
16	North Michigan	44	20-11-3	0.6324	11	0.5288	16
17	Penn State	43	14-13-5	0.5156	27	0.5265	17
18	Bowling Green	42	19-9-6	0.6471	10	0.5256	18
19	Boston Univer	40	16-13-3	0.5469	20	0.5203	22
20	Union	        39	20-13-1	0.6029	12	0.5253	19
20	Boston College	39	16-13-3	0.5469	20	0.5237	20
22	Harvard	        38	13-10-4	0.5556	19	0.5220	21

USCHO Division I Women's Poll - February 19, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Wisconsin	(15)	29-3-2	150	1
2	Clarkson		29-4-1	128	2
3	Boston College		28-3-3	121	4
4	Colgate		        29-4-1	111	3
5	Cornell		        19-7-3	86	5
6	Ohio State		21-9-4	71	6
7	Minnesota		20-10-3	63	7
8	St. Lawrence		18-10-4	47	8
9	Robert Morris		18-7-4	23	9
10	Providence		16-11-7	19	NR

Other Receiving Votes: Maine 5, Minnesota Duluth 1


Women's Division I PairWise Rankings  

I have no idea if this is accurate.
Well actually I have some idea, it's not accurate.
Why they put in St. Anselm is beyond me, 
but trying to switch to Comparison layout is all screwy.
Hopefully they'll correct it.

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win %  Win % Rank  RPI	RPI Rank

1	Wisconsin	39	29-3-2	0.8824	1	0.6430*	1
2	Boston College	38	28-3-3	0.8676	2	0.6283	2
3	Clarkson	37	29-4-1	0.8676	2	0.6247*	3
4	Colgate	        36	29-4-1	0.8676	2	0.6227*	4
5???????Saint Anselm????35	15-2-3	0.8250	5	0.5820*	5
6	Cornell	        34	19-7-3	0.7069	6	0.5716*	6
7	Ohio State	33	21-9-4	0.6765	9	0.5708	7
8	Minnesota	32	20-10-3	0.6515	11	0.5553	8
9	St. Lawrence	31	18-10-4	0.6250	12	0.5462	9
10	Robert Morris	30	18-7-4	0.6897	7	0.5340	10
11	Providence	29	16-11-7	0.5735	13	0.5321	11

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Weder (192.72.255.---)
Date: February 19, 2018 06:55PM

Jim Hyla
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings

I have no idea if this is accurate.
Well actually I have some idea, it's not accurate.
Why they put in St. Anselm is beyond me,
but trying to switch to Comparison layout is all screwy.
Hopefully they'll correct it.

Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank

1 Wisconsin 39 29-3-2 0.8824 1 0.6430* 1
2 Boston College 38 28-3-3 0.8676 2 0.6283 2
3 Clarkson 37 29-4-1 0.8676 2 0.6247* 3
4 Colgate 36 29-4-1 0.8676 2 0.6227* 4

5???????Saint Anselm????35 15-2-3 0.8250 5 0.5820* 5
6 Cornell 34 19-7-3 0.7069 6 0.5716* 6
7 Ohio State 33 21-9-4 0.6765 9 0.5708 7
8 Minnesota 32 20-10-3 0.6515 11 0.5553 8
9 St. Lawrence 31 18-10-4 0.6250 12 0.5462 9
10 Robert Morris 30 18-7-4 0.6897 7 0.5340 10
11 Providence 29 16-11-7 0.5735 13 0.5321 11


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It is accurate. The women's tournament is a "national collegiate" championship, which means that Division II schools are technically eligible.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 19, 2018 07:34PM

Weder
Jim Hyla
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings

I have no idea if this is accurate.
Well actually I have some idea, it's not accurate.
Why they put in St. Anselm is beyond me,
but trying to switch to Comparison layout is all screwy.
Hopefully they'll correct it.

Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank

1 Wisconsin 39 29-3-2 0.8824 1 0.6430* 1
2 Boston College 38 28-3-3 0.8676 2 0.6283 2
3 Clarkson 37 29-4-1 0.8676 2 0.6247* 3
4 Colgate 36 29-4-1 0.8676 2 0.6227* 4

5???????Saint Anselm????35 15-2-3 0.8250 5 0.5820* 5
6 Cornell 34 19-7-3 0.7069 6 0.5716* 6
7 Ohio State 33 21-9-4 0.6765 9 0.5708 7
8 Minnesota 32 20-10-3 0.6515 11 0.5553 8
9 St. Lawrence 31 18-10-4 0.6250 12 0.5462 9
10 Robert Morris 30 18-7-4 0.6897 7 0.5340 10
11 Providence 29 16-11-7 0.5735 13 0.5321 11


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It is accurate. The women's tournament is a "national collegiate" championship, which means that Division II schools are technically eligible.

I think this is wonderful and they should place the D3 mens champion in the D1 tourney draw.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 20, 2018 09:09AM

Weder
Jim Hyla
Women's Division I PairWise Rankings

I have no idea if this is accurate.
Well actually I have some idea, it's not accurate.
Why they put in St. Anselm is beyond me,
but trying to switch to Comparison layout is all screwy.
Hopefully they'll correct it.

Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank

1 Wisconsin 39 29-3-2 0.8824 1 0.6430* 1
2 Boston College 38 28-3-3 0.8676 2 0.6283 2
3 Clarkson 37 29-4-1 0.8676 2 0.6247* 3
4 Colgate 36 29-4-1 0.8676 2 0.6227* 4

5???????Saint Anselm????35 15-2-3 0.8250 5 0.5820* 5
6 Cornell 34 19-7-3 0.7069 6 0.5716* 6
7 Ohio State 33 21-9-4 0.6765 9 0.5708 7
8 Minnesota 32 20-10-3 0.6515 11 0.5553 8
9 St. Lawrence 31 18-10-4 0.6250 12 0.5462 9
10 Robert Morris 30 18-7-4 0.6897 7 0.5340 10
11 Providence 29 16-11-7 0.5735 13 0.5321 11


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It is accurate. The women's tournament is a "national collegiate" championship, which means that Division II schools are technically eligible.

Thanks, I was confused since St. Anselm has not recently been on prior top PWR. However, since you jogged my memory, I do remember seeing them on other PWR. How they suddenly reappeared is interesting. If they work up to a top 4 seed, wow. Only Div 1 teams played were Holy Cross and Sacred Heart. Hopefully your reference is correct, and they can be moved down. But whichever team they displace will be mad.

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: jeff '84 (64.74.86.---)
Date: February 26, 2018 01:40PM

Looks like Jim is away from his desk....

[www.uscho.com]

[www.usahockey.com]

Stay at #2 in both polls.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 26, 2018 01:48PM

jeff '84
Looks like Jim is away from his desk....

[www.uscho.com]

[www.usahockey.com]

Stay at #2 in both polls.
I expected Mankato to run all the way to #2. I dare say they deserve it.
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 26, 2018 02:27PM

jeff '84
Looks like Jim is away from his desk....

[www.uscho.com]

[www.usahockey.com]

Stay at #2 in both polls.

Just too busy, crazyI'll post it all after work.

Men only got 2 FP votes, about right, in my view.

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 26, 2018 05:15PM

Here they are.

USCHO Division I Men's Poll - February 26, 2018
Rnk	Team	      (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	St. Cloud State	(47)	21-6-5	996	1
2	Cornell	        (2)	23-4-2	905	2
3	Minnesota State	(1)	26-7-1	876	4
4	Denver		        17-8-7	865	3
5	Notre Dame		23-9-2	797	5
6	Ohio State		21-8-5	792	6
7	Minnesota Duluth	18-13-3	654	9
8	Northeastern		21-8-5	603	11
9	Providence		20-10-4	586	7
10	Clarkson		20-8-6	584	10
11	Minnesota		19-15-2	487	8
12	Michigan		18-13-3	463	13
13	North Dakota		14-11-9	355	12
14	Omaha		        16-14-2	318	14
15	Penn State		16-13-5	299	18
16	Union		        21-13-2	232	19
17	Bowling Green		20-10-6	210	15
18	Boston College		18-13-3	194	20
19	Northern Michigan	21-12-3	177	16
20	Boston University	17-13-4	47	NR

Other Receiving Votes: Mercyhurst 29, Western Michigan 15, 
UMass Lowell 7, Harvard 5, Bemidji State 2, Maine 1, Colorado College 1

USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
February 26, 2018
	Team	               Points (First) Last Poll	Record

1	St. Cloud State Univer	510	(34)	1	21-6-5
2	Cornell University	459		2	23-4-2
3	Minnesota State Univer	413		5	26-7-1
4	University Notre Dame	407		3	23-9-2
5	University of Denver	391		4	17-8-7
6	Ohio State University	357		6	21-8-5
7	Univer Minnesota Duluth	274		11	18-13-3
8	Northeastern University	252		10	21-8-5
9	Clarkson University	235		9	20-8-6
10	Providence College	208		7	20-10-4
11	University of Minnesota	181		8	19-15-2
12	University of Michigan	146		13	18-13-3
13	Penn State University	71		NR	16-13-5
14	University North Dakota	55		12	14-11-9
15	Univer Nebraska Omaha	45		14	16-14-2

Others receiving votes: Bowling Green State University 23, Union College 23, 
Boston College 16, Northern Michigan University 7, UMass Lowell 3, 
Western Michigan University 3, Mercyhurst University 1.

Men's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank	RPI	RPI Rank

1	St. Cloud State	59	21-6-5	0.7344	3	0.6044*	1
2	Notre Dame	57	23-9-2	0.7059	4	0.5822	2
2	Cornell	        57	23-4-2	0.8276	1	0.5783*	3
4	Minnesota State	56	26-7-1	0.7794	2	0.5751*	4
4	Denver	        56	17-8-7	0.6406	9	0.5736	5
6	Ohio State	54	21-8-5	0.6912	5	0.5730	6
7	Clarkson	53	20-8-6	0.6765	7	0.5504	7
8	Minnesota Duluth52	18-13-3	0.5735	14	0.5502	8
9	Minnesota	50	19-15-2	0.5556	19	0.5482	9
9	Michigan	50	18-13-3	0.5735	14	0.5456	10
11	Northeastern	49	21-8-5	0.6912	5	0.5443	11
12	Providence	48	20-10-4	0.6471	8	0.5426	12
13	Penn State	47	16-13-5	0.5441	21	0.5363	13
14	North Dakota	46	14-11-9	0.5441	21	0.5341	14
15	Omaha	        45	16-14-2	0.5312	24	0.5339	15
16	Boston College	43	18-13-3	0.5735	14	0.5277	16
16	North Michigan	43	21-12-3	0.6250	11	0.5272	17
18	Bowling Green	41	20-10-6	0.6389	10	0.5254	19
19	Union	        40	21-13-2	0.6111	13	0.5269	18
19	Western Michigan40	14-16-2	0.4688	39	0.5222	20
19	Boston Univer	40	17-13-4	0.5588	18	0.5208	21
22	Mercyhurst	38	19-11-4	0.6176	12	0.5172	22
23	Colorado College37	13-14-5	0.4844	34	0.5163	23
23	Wisconsin	37	14-17-4	0.4571	40	0.5143	24
25	Harvard	        35	13-12-4	0.5172	28	0.5112	25


USCHO Division I Women's Poll - February 26, 2018
Rnk	Team	       (First)	Record	Points	Last Poll

1	Wisconsin	(14)	29-3-2	149	1
2	Clarkson	(1)	31-4-1	129	2
3	Boston College		30-3-3	124	3
4	Colgate		        31-4-1	108	4
5	Ohio State		23-9-4	83	6
6	Cornell		        21-8-3	80	5
7	Minnesota		22-10-3	61	7
8	St. Lawrence		20-10-4	46	8
9	Robert Morris		20-7-4	29	9
10	Maine		19-13-5	9	NR
Other Receiving Votes: Northeastern 4, Bemidji State 2, Providence 1

Women's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank	Team	        PWR	W-L-T  Win % Win % Rank	RPI	RPI Rank

1	Wisconsin	39	29-3-2	0.8824	1	0.6414*	1
2	Boston College	38	30-3-3	0.8750	2	0.6279	2
3	Clarkson	37	31-4-1	0.8750	2	0.6265*	3
4	Colgate	        36	31-4-1	0.8750	2	0.6263*	4
5	Saint Anselm	35	16-3-3	0.7955	5	0.5785*	5
6	Ohio State	34	23-9-4	0.6944	9	0.5725	6
7	Cornell	        33	21-8-3	0.7031	8	0.5684*	7
8	Minnesota	32	22-10-3	0.6714	10	0.5612	8
9	St. Lawrence	31	20-10-4	0.6471	11	0.5524	9
10	Sacred Heart	30	17-6-2	0.7200	6	0.5457*	10
11	Robert Morris	29	20-7-4	0.7097	7	0.5419	11

 
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: jeff '84 (64.74.86.---)
Date: March 05, 2018 04:14PM

Still #2 in both polls. Not that it matters, but any thoughts as to why Notre Dame (#2 in PWR via their better RPI vs Cornell) still haven’t convinced the voters (#5 in USCHO; #4 in USA Today, who by now usually buy into the computer numbers.

[www.usahockey.com]

[www.uscho.com]
 
Re: Polls 2017-18
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 05, 2018 04:33PM

jeff '84
Still #2 in both polls. Not that it matters, but any thoughts as to why Notre Dame (#2 in PWR via their better RPI vs Cornell) still haven’t convinced the voters (#5 in USCHO; #4 in USA Today, who by now usually buy into the computer numbers.

[www.usahockey.com]

[www.uscho.com]

They've lost four of their last five. That's not a small thing.

 
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