Cornell @ Clarkson 2017-02-18

If Cornell wins tonight they will have their best record in the ECAC at this point in the season since 2005.

Appears to be a free video stream HERE.

TimV
Appears to be a free video stream HERE.

I'm asking again, if anyone could record the game, l'd pay whatever it takes to get me a copy. Clarkson doesn't archive the games.

IIRC somebody said on the SLU thread that the carrier is the same as for the SLU game and they could record it. They might be waiting for a response though.

I'd be perfectly willing to do it but I don't know the first thing about how.

Clarkson announcer is acting like an auctioneer on cocaine. Unfathomably annoying.

CU2007
Clarkson announcer is acting like an auctioneer on cocaine. Unfathomably annoying.

On the other hand, at least the gain is turned up too high on his microphone, so it sounds like it's too loud no matter how low I make the volume.

not a bad first period.. kept the puck along the way on D.. some decent cycling of the puck.. too bad the D fell downto create the one good scoring chance that Clarkson got..

someday the PP will come back to life.

our PK is interesting.. we have good numbers but we gave up like 7 goals in 2 games and very little the rest.

Trotsky
IIRC somebody said on the SLU thread that the carrier is the same as for the SLU game and they could record it. They might be waiting for a response though.

What I said was if. And it doesn't appear to be the same s they are using Flash tonight.

[bglive-a.bitgravity.com] this will let you grab the feed with vlc and record it..

doesnt help from the beginning though just from wherever you start watching.

bad 2nd goal. 2 guys back one loses the puck and there other allows the shot.

Princ and Colg trying to give us some help tonight.. still rooting for a PP goal again before March.

upprdeck
still rooting for a PP goal again before March.

How about to start the third?

Clarkson's pesky play, especially the forecheck is keeping CU off their system. Yale did this to great success last time out.

yeah we have not gotten the cycle going as well tonight but still at times had good control.. both goals were really just bad mistakes by the D not that falling down can be controlled. clarkson with very few chances but converted one gift and one gaff.

we have gotten control deep a bunch but not done much with it

Clarkson is very much in this game because of Cornell's sloppy play.

nice come back.. much better play in the 3rd.. too bad they couldnt hold on for the win

Sloppy is saying it nicely.

And with the tie I think Cornell is guaranteed a BYE now. Q is 5 points behind with only 2 games left for each team.

Iceberg
And with the tie I think Cornell is guaranteed a BYE now. Q is 5 points behind with only 2 games left for each team.

Cornell is now guaranteed the bye.

I don't think I've ever seen a team with a power play to begin overtime seem like they wanted to win less than Cornell just did.

Beeeej

Iceberg
And with the tie I think Cornell is guaranteed a BYE now. Q is 5 points behind with only 2 games left for each team.

Cornell is now guaranteed the bye.

I don't think I've ever seen a team with a power play to begin overtime seem like they wanted to win less than Cornell just did.

Extremely timid. Didn't look like they had any idea of what to do.

Beeeej

Iceberg
And with the tie I think Cornell is guaranteed a BYE now. Q is 5 points behind with only 2 games left for each team.

Cornell is now guaranteed the bye.

I don't think I've ever seen a team with a power play to begin overtime seem like they wanted to win less than Cornell just did.

What, you disapprove of the strategy of "hold it at your own blue line for 20 seconds?"

RichH

Beeeej

Iceberg
And with the tie I think Cornell is guaranteed a BYE now. Q is 5 points behind with only 2 games left for each team.

Cornell is now guaranteed the bye.

I don't think I've ever seen a team with a power play to begin overtime seem like they wanted to win less than Cornell just did.

What, you disapprove of the strategy of "hold it at your own blue line for 20 seconds?"

Strongly.

sets them up for next weekend though.

Slu/clark at Harvard
union at colg/cornell

1st-4th all still in play.

really if we win the next 2 and the 2nd round games we probably get into the ncaa no matter what happens at lake placid..

still have some goals that are reachable

who imagined when the year started this team being 9-2-2 on the road..

upprdeck
Slu/clark at Harvard

And SLU and Clarkson circle that weekend every year. Harvard has predictably pooed its own bed vs. those two on numerous occasions.

Yet it seems rather improbable that the Cantabridgians will come out of the weekend with no more than one point…

anyone make any sense out of the Starrett scrum? the clarkson kid got decked but no call.. then Starrett hit a clarkson kid late with a bump, then clarkson kid ran Starrett.. So why did Starrett get 2 and 2 but the clarkson kid only 2??

upprdeck
anyone make any sense out of the Starrett scrum? the clarkson kid got decked but no call.. then Starrett hit a clarkson kid late with a bump, then clarkson kid ran Starrett.. So why did Starrett get 2 and 2 but the clarkson kid only 2??

Best I can make of it was that the refs felt that they should have called the initial hit and gave starrett an extra as a makeup.

One more time, with feeling......

what was interesting is that the announcers thought the original hit was by Kubiak.

The persistent penalty bug notwithstanding, why is it that we repeatedly seem to go into scramble/collapse/panic/survival (take your pick) mode in period number three??

Johnny 5
The persistent penalty bug notwithstanding, why is it that we repeatedly seem to go into scramble/collapse/panic/survival (take your pick) mode in period number three??

It is pretty sweet, though, that despite not playing well the only thing between us and beating a decent team on the feared North Country trip on their senior night with our defense devastated by injury was one failed clearing pass.

I know we didn't play well, but in past years anything short of a perfect effort would have caused us to be blown out under those circumstances. We've come a long way in a short time.

I was not able to see this game and the comments on the game do not give a clear picture of why Cornell did not defeat Clarkson when they defeated a ranked opponent the previous night? All the numbers and statistics indicate Clarkson should not have been so even a match. Did any one problem stand out, such as defensive strategy, offensive strategy, short depth, or conditioning? It's not possible to address a problem until you identify it, and problems by definition repeat themselves.

Hooking
I was not able to see this game and the comments on the game do not give a clear picture of why Cornell did not defeat Clarkson when they defeated a ranked opponent the previous night? All the numbers and statistics indicate Clarkson should not have been so even a match. Did any one problem stand out, such as defensive strategy, offensive strategy, short depth, or conditioning? It's not possible to address a problem until you identify it, and problems by definition repeat themselves.

I think our comments on the game paint a very clear picture. Our defensemen literally fell down once and literally handed over the puck once, leading to two Clarkson goals, and that's the difference.

Beeeej
I think our comments on the game paint a very clear picture. Our defensemen literally fell down once and literally handed over the puck once, leading to two Clarkson goals, and that's the difference.

Is it just me, or did McCarron make a mistake in trying to pick up the puck carrier when Kaldis fell, leaving his man completely open to receive the backdoor pass, and leaving Gillam hung out to dry? I realize it was a split-second decision, so I'm not posting to berate McCarron. It just seemed to me that the "correct" play in that situation would have been to stay on his man, and give Gillam a chance to block the shot if the puck handler takes it.

andyw2100

Beeeej
I think our comments on the game paint a very clear picture. Our defensemen literally fell down once and literally handed over the puck once, leading to two Clarkson goals, and that's the difference.

Is it just me, or did McCarron make a mistake in trying to pick up the puck carrier when Kaldis fell, leaving his man completely open to receive the backdoor pass, and leaving Gillam hung out to dry? I realize it was a split-second decision, so I'm not posting to berate McCarron. It just seemed to me that the "correct" play in that situation would have been to stay on his man, and give Gillam a chance to block the shot if the puck handler takes it.

Yes, the standard in a 2-on-1 situation is the goalie stays focused on the primary potential shooter and the defenseman stays with the other forward to try to cut off a pass or one-timer. That goal was a total defensive breakdown.

Hooking
I was not able to see this game and the comments on the game do not give a clear picture of why Cornell did not defeat Clarkson when they defeated a ranked opponent the previous night? All the numbers and statistics indicate Clarkson should not have been so even a match. Did any one problem stand out, such as defensive strategy, offensive strategy, short depth, or conditioning? It's not possible to address a problem until you identify it, and problems by definition repeat themselves.

One thing that came to mind during the game was how few grade-A scoring chances both teams had. It's almost like the two coaches had a rather deep knowledge of each other's plays, styles, and tendencies for some reason...

I like what Cornell showed me in the 3rd as they found a way to get the two late goals they needed. But they still couldn't kill off the last 3:00 to seal it. Someone missed a good chance to clear the zone and deHaas made a textbook ECAC deflection shot right after it. I like our odds of locking down the final minutes with a lead more often than not, but this year hasn't been as automatic as in past years. Thin defensive corps?

I think it's the d-line injuries. Defensemen falling over left and right, bad clears. Looks like they get tired.

RichH

Hooking
I was not able to see this game and the comments on the game do not give a clear picture of why Cornell did not defeat Clarkson when they defeated a ranked opponent the previous night? All the numbers and statistics indicate Clarkson should not have been so even a match. Did any one problem stand out, such as defensive strategy, offensive strategy, short depth, or conditioning? It's not possible to address a problem until you identify it, and problems by definition repeat themselves.

One thing that came to mind during the game was how few grade-A scoring chances both teams had. It's almost like the two coaches had rather deep knowledge of each other's plays & styles...

I like what Cornell showed me in the 3rd. They found a way to get the two late goals they needed, but couldn't kill off the last 3:00 to seal it. Someone missed a good chance to clear the zone and deHaas made a textbook ECAC deflection shot right after it. I like our odds of locking down the final minutes with a lead more often than not, but this year hasn't been as automatic as in past years. Thin defensive corps?

Very thin!!!!! It will be our problem for the rest of the year.

Interestingly, it looks like we can skate offensively with the rest of the league (Out of league it's tough to say. We didn't play the best teams, but I'd guess we can't stay with the top offensive teams.), but defensively we've got problems. I think it's due to the thin ranks, but how do you know?

In years past, when we had a clamp down defense, I thought we had a chance against the top teams. Now the question will be, can the defense play well enough to give the offense a chance to win.

Regardless, they are generally fun to watch.

By the way, what's happened to all those coach must go, he can't change, complainers. Have they really seen the light?

Dafatone
I think it's the d-line injuries. Defensemen falling over left and right, bad clears. Looks like they get tired.

Maybe the forwards need to work on skating backwards??

Johnny 5

Dafatone
I think it's the d-line injuries. Defensemen falling over left and right, bad clears. Looks like they get tired.

Maybe the forwards need to work on skating backwards??

As opposed to drinking down at "The Creaker"? Maybe you have some drills to suggest too?

I think it's amazing the D is doing as well as it is. As for my skating advice, I'm wondering if someone can help me tighten the laces. ::

marty

Johnny 5

Dafatone
I think it's the d-line injuries. Defensemen falling over left and right, bad clears. Looks like they get tired.

Maybe the forwards need to work on skating backwards??

As opposed to drinking down at "The Creaker"? Maybe you have some drills to suggest too?

I think it's amazing the D is doing as well as it is. As for my skating advice, I'm wondering if someone can help me tighten the laces. ::

Twelve ounce curls do wonders for the forearms, but make skating backwards a bit problematic.

I still do not understand why the Cornell defense prevailed against a superior team and allegedly broke down against a considerably weaker team 24 hours later? I also read here that the Cornell offense was unable to cope with the Yale forecheck and was unable to deal with a similar Clarkson forecheck. If accurate, these reports indicate organizational rather than individual problems.

Hooking
I still do not understand why the Cornell defense prevailed against a superior team and allegedly broke down against a considerably weaker team 24 hours later? I also read here that the Cornell offense was unable to cope with the Yale forecheck and was unable to deal with a similar Clarkson forecheck. If accurate, these reports indicate organizational rather than individual problems.

Before I dive head-first into the trap of actually answering your question, let me make sure I understand it:

You are unable to comprehend how the results of a game are not always in line with the mathematical expectations based on results of prior games? Is that about right?

Trolling and ridiculousness aside, Clarkson's a pretty solid team this year.

Beeeej

Hooking
I still do not understand why the Cornell defense prevailed against a superior team and allegedly broke down against a considerably weaker team 24 hours later? I also read here that the Cornell offense was unable to cope with the Yale forecheck and was unable to deal with a similar Clarkson forecheck. If accurate, these reports indicate organizational rather than individual problems.

Before I dive head-first into the trap of actually answering your question, let me make sure I understand it:

You are unable to comprehend how the results of a game are not always in line with the mathematical expectations based on results of prior games? Is that about right?

Best answer. Question was nonsensical.

Beeeej

Hooking
I still do not understand why the Cornell defense prevailed against a superior team and allegedly broke down against a considerably weaker team 24 hours later? I also read here that the Cornell offense was unable to cope with the Yale forecheck and was unable to deal with a similar Clarkson forecheck. If accurate, these reports indicate organizational rather than individual problems.

Before I dive head-first into the trap of actually answering your question, let me make sure I understand it:

You are unable to comprehend how the results of a game are not always in line with the mathematical expectations based on results of prior games? Is that about right?

TRANSLATION: That's why they play the games.

Finally some consensus. No one is obliged to respond to upsetting questions, but the volunteer consensus is, "It is folly to seek or worse, hypothesize the cause of erratic athletic performance [except with numbers and statistics].

Jim Hyla

RichH

Hooking
I was not able to see this game and the comments on the game do not give a clear picture of why Cornell did not defeat Clarkson when they defeated a ranked opponent the previous night? All the numbers and statistics indicate Clarkson should not have been so even a match. Did any one problem stand out, such as defensive strategy, offensive strategy, short depth, or conditioning? It's not possible to address a problem until you identify it, and problems by definition repeat themselves.

One thing that came to mind during the game was how few grade-A scoring chances both teams had. It's almost like the two coaches had rather deep knowledge of each other's plays & styles...

I like what Cornell showed me in the 3rd. They found a way to get the two late goals they needed, but couldn't kill off the last 3:00 to seal it. Someone missed a good chance to clear the zone and deHaas made a textbook ECAC deflection shot right after it. I like our odds of locking down the final minutes with a lead more often than not, but this year hasn't been as automatic as in past years. Thin defensive corps?

Very thin!!!!! It will be our problem for the rest of the year.

Are you saying this because you don't expect us to get back many/any of our injured D-men?

Hooking
Finally some consensus. No one is obliged to respond to upsetting questions, but the volunteer consensus is, "It is folly to seek or worse, hypothesize the cause of erratic athletic performance [except with numbers and statistics].

"Aha! Those are exactly the results I thought we'd get!!" exclaimed the lead scientist on the confirmation bias study.

Beeeej

Hooking
Finally some consensus. No one is obliged to respond to upsetting questions, but the volunteer consensus is, "It is folly to seek or worse, hypothesize the cause of erratic athletic performance [except with numbers and statistics].

"Aha! Those are exactly the results I thought we'd get!!" exclaimed the lead scientist on the confirmation bias study.

Perhaps Hooking will use his numbers and statistics to explain why the great 1968 and 1969 Cornell teams lost to Brown and RPI. I suppose it was all Ned's fault for not "identifying and addressing the problem" that needed correcting.

RichH
One thing that came to mind during the game was how few grade-A scoring chances both teams had. It's almost like the two coaches had a rather deep knowledge of each other's plays, styles, and tendencies for some reason...

As opposed to the prior night when Cornell had a dozen GREAT opportunities -- maybe even more.

One of the game reviews from Clarkson said the Knights had just 5 shots from the circles and in all night. We were doing a great job not letting them get anything going. On offense, Angello disappeared for the full weekend. He's starting to remind me of a little of Riley Nash actually -- sometimes looks like Dom Moore, other times looks like Michael Moore. I don't get it, but it may be some teams just know how to deal with him, or some teams deploy their best line against him while others send them against Vanderlaan.

Hooking
Finally some consensus. No one is obliged to respond to upsetting questions, but the volunteer consensus is, "It is folly to seek or worse, hypothesize the cause of erratic athletic performance [except with numbers and statistics].

Stay down, son. Stay down.

I was at the game, and there should have been two suspensions for sure.

One, the guy who hit Dalpe and caused the injury should have gotten 5+game, possibly 5+DQ. It was clearly boarding, as Dalpe got thrown into the boards from 5 feet away. Could have also been charging. It also caused what I think was a clear concussion, and I'll be surprised if Dalpe plays again before Lake Placid.

Two, I believe it was deHaas, came flying in shortly after that play to a scrum in front of the Clarkson bench and sucker-punched that guy to the back of the head. Dropped him like a bad habit. Unacceptable, and while I understand why he did it, he really shouldn't be playing next weekend.

daredevilcu
I was at the game, and there should have been two suspensions for sure.

One, the guy who hit Dalpe and caused the injury should have gotten 5+game, possibly 5+DQ. It was clearly boarding, as Dalpe got thrown into the boards from 5 feet away. Could have also been charging. It also caused what I think was a clear concussion, and I'll be surprised if Dalpe plays again before Lake Placid.

Two, I believe it was deHaas, came flying in shortly after that play to a scrum in front of the Clarkson bench and sucker-punched that guy to the back of the head. Dropped him like a bad habit. Unacceptable, and while I understand why he did it, he really shouldn't be playing next weekend.

Since Clarkson doesn't archive their games, (I believe they're the only ECAC team to not have archives. Poor for a tech school. Maybe that's why RPI likes to have fun with them.) we can't really go back and rewatch the play, to identify the player, or to see if it really was a penalty. But, since I don't know the Clarkson players that well, if you meant the play where the Clarkson player went down right before the sucker punch, well all I can say is that no refs hand went up. I would like to review it, if I could.

Jim Hyla
Since Clarkson doesn't archive their games, (I believe they're the only ECAC team to not have archives. Poor for a tech school. Maybe that's why RPI likes to have fun with them.) we can't really go back and rewatch the play, to identify the player, or to see if it really was a penalty. But, since I don't know the Clarkson players that well, if you meant the play where the Clarkson player went down right before the sucker punch, well all I can say is that no refs hand went up. I would like to review it, if I could.

Watching the video in real-time, I remember being surprised, based on the way the Clarkson player crumbled against the boards, that there was no call. At the time I thought it must have been because the hit happened far enough off the boards that the refs viewed it as an open-ice hit, and not as boarding. The commentator did say there was no call. Of course he also thought the hit came from Kubiak, not Starrett, though that information seemed to be given to him from someone else.

Jim Hyla

daredevilcu
I was at the game, and there should have been two suspensions for sure.

One, the guy who hit Dalpe and caused the injury should have gotten 5+game, possibly 5+DQ. It was clearly boarding, as Dalpe got thrown into the boards from 5 feet away. Could have also been charging. It also caused what I think was a clear concussion, and I'll be surprised if Dalpe plays again before Lake Placid.

Two, I believe it was deHaas, came flying in shortly after that play to a scrum in front of the Clarkson bench and sucker-punched that guy to the back of the head. Dropped him like a bad habit. Unacceptable, and while I understand why he did it, he really shouldn't be playing next weekend.

Since Clarkson doesn't archive their games, (I believe they're the only ECAC team to not have archives. Poor for a tech school. Maybe that's why RPI likes to have fun with them.) we can't really go back and rewatch the play, to identify the player, or to see if it really was a penalty. But, since I don't know the Clarkson players that well, if you meant the play where the Clarkson player went down right before the sucker punch, well all I can say is that no refs hand went up. I would like to review it, if I could.

Unfortunately, both of the officials were puck-watching all game. I don't think they caught a single interaction behind the play against either team. Miserably officiated game. While you're right that they didn't call that a penalty, it should have been 5+game at a minimum, and I'll be shocked if there isn't a league review resulting in two suspensions. The play that Vigneault got called for hooking with 30 seconds to go, Vigneault had the puck. How you hook someone when you're the puck carrier is beyond me.

I believe the hit was from Starrett, because a Clarkson forward went after him immediately, and then following that scrum, he got sucker punched by a Clarkson defenseman coming from the right side. If Starrett was the player who got punched, then he was the guy who boarded the Clarkson player.

If these two teams end up playing each other in the quarterfinal round, the ECAC had better send one of their best crews or it could easily get out of hand in a hurry.

daredevilcu
If these two teams end up playing each other in the quarterfinal round, the ECAC had better send one of their best crews or it could easily get out of hand in a hurry.

Given the relationship between the coaches, I doubt this very much.

This isn't Pecknold and Gaudet. Headhunting and vendettas won't be permitted by either coach.

Jim Hyla

daredevilcu
if you meant the play where the Clarkson player went down right before the sucker punch, well all I can say is that no refs hand went up. I would like to review it, if I could.

I believe the hit was from Starrett, because a Clarkson forward went after him immediately, and then following that scrum, he got sucker punched by a Clarkson defenseman coming from the right side. If Starrett was the player who got punched, then he was the guy who boarded the Clarkson player.

According to the radio crew, Kubiak hit Dalpe, no penalty but a whistle for the injury and the hit seemed clean. At or around the whistle (just before the whistle according to the guys on the mic) Starrett hit another guy (did he hit them both? or was Kubiak on the grassy knoll?) and then de Haas drilled Starrett. The broadcast crew thought the refs were debating whether dehaas was getting 2 or 5 and were stunned when Starrett got a double minor. Cornell doesn't have a homer crew so take that for what it's worth.

I agree DeHaas deserved 5 for the hit on Starret. Uncalled for. Also I didn't notice it during the game, but the Clarkson player did end up returning to the game and was on the ice for the 3rd Cornell goal. Glad that ended up better than it looked.

ugarte

Jim Hyla

daredevilcu
if you meant the play where the Clarkson player went down right before the sucker punch, well all I can say is that no refs hand went up. I would like to review it, if I could.

I believe the hit was from Starrett, because a Clarkson forward went after him immediately, and then following that scrum, he got sucker punched by a Clarkson defenseman coming from the right side. If Starrett was the player who got punched, then he was the guy who boarded the Clarkson player.

According to the radio crew, Kubiak hit Dalpe, no penalty but a whistle for the injury and the hot seemed clean. At or around the whistle (just before the whistle according to the guys on the mic) Starrett hit another guy (did he hit them both? or was Kubiak on the grassy knoll?) and then de Haas drilled Starrett. The broadcast crew thought the refs were debating whether dehaas was getting 2 or 5 and were stunned when Starrett got a double minor. Cornell doesn't have a homer crew so take that for what it's worth.

On a recent broadcast, they noted that Jason Weinstein is a BU grad. (It's probably been mentioned before, but I don't remember hearing it.)

Hooking
I was not able to see this game and the comments on the game do not give a clear picture of why Cornell did not defeat Clarkson when they defeated a ranked opponent the previous night? All the numbers and statistics indicate Clarkson should not have been so even a match. Did any one problem stand out, such as defensive strategy, offensive strategy, short depth, or conditioning? It's not possible to address a problem until you identify it, and problems by definition repeat themselves.

Clarkson is a tougher team than the record indicates (yes, I know what Parcells says about your record), they have beaten quite a few ranked teams Notre Dame, UMass Lowell, Union, Vermont and St Lawrence.