Looking Ahead
Posted by wakester2468
Looking Ahead
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 08, 2017 12:27PM
While there are three weekends left in the regular season, it seems inevitable that Quinn and Cornell are positioned for a quarterfinal match up.
It is possible that CU could leap frog Harvard in the final standings but not likely. There is a large gap between 5th and 6th place. The big question
is will CU get the first round bye and thus host QU. Looking at Pairwise Standings, that series could have major NCAA ramifications too. This could get very interesting. If nothing else, it's nice to be in the discussion this late in the year.
It is possible that CU could leap frog Harvard in the final standings but not likely. There is a large gap between 5th and 6th place. The big question
is will CU get the first round bye and thus host QU. Looking at Pairwise Standings, that series could have major NCAA ramifications too. This could get very interesting. If nothing else, it's nice to be in the discussion this late in the year.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: February 08, 2017 12:47PM
why is catching not likely? if we win this weekend and they lose to union we are ahead of them this week.
its possible to get to first place this weekend if we do our job at home
its possible to get to first place this weekend if we do our job at home
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 08, 2017 01:04PM
Time for.............
ECAC Playoff Possibilities Stuff
I PM'd jtw and hopefully he's got the time to put it up.
Please...........
ECAC Playoff Possibilities Stuff
I PM'd jtw and hopefully he's got the time to put it up.
Please...........
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: February 08, 2017 01:50PM
Qpac is probably going to finish 5th, but I'd argue Cornell is more likely than not to finish SOMEWHERE other than 4th.
Would be nice to have one of these NHL simulations that gives probability for each playoff seeding.
[www.sportsclubstats.com]
Would be nice to have one of these NHL simulations that gives probability for each playoff seeding.
[www.sportsclubstats.com]
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 08, 2017 02:27PM
First time I've looked at sportsclubstats. Rather cool. Perhaps I am expecting that the top teams will continue to win at the pace we will.
The best part is we play both St Lawrence and Union again so much will depend of that. Unfortunately, Harvard has the tie breaker with us based
on head to head. In actuality, it may be more likely to catch either the Saints or the Dutchmen. I do still think Quin is locked into 5th unless we falter in which case all bets are off. To me, half of the fun is trying to figure things out and checking out bracketology from week to week.
The best part is we play both St Lawrence and Union again so much will depend of that. Unfortunately, Harvard has the tie breaker with us based
on head to head. In actuality, it may be more likely to catch either the Saints or the Dutchmen. I do still think Quin is locked into 5th unless we falter in which case all bets are off. To me, half of the fun is trying to figure things out and checking out bracketology from week to week.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: February 08, 2017 02:52PM
I think its fun just looking at how close this finish might be.
I think Harvard wins
union splits
STL wins this weekend
and we hope Cornell sweeps
STL 27
Union 27
Harvard 26
Cornell 26
Quin 23
then a gap.
Yale 17
clarkson 16
but if that STL ties Prince and Union ties Dart
its a 4 way tie..
that would a lot of fun those last 2 weekends. Im sure its not that hard to find a way for a 5 way tie at the end. we really need to find a way to win these last 4 home games and last night was a good start
I think Harvard wins
union splits
STL wins this weekend
and we hope Cornell sweeps
STL 27
Union 27
Harvard 26
Cornell 26
Quin 23
then a gap.
Yale 17
clarkson 16
but if that STL ties Prince and Union ties Dart
its a 4 way tie..
that would a lot of fun those last 2 weekends. Im sure its not that hard to find a way for a 5 way tie at the end. we really need to find a way to win these last 4 home games and last night was a good start
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: February 08, 2017 03:19PM
wow, awesome. Thanks for this.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 08, 2017 05:18PM
This may be my favorite part of the end of the season other than the games themselves.
THANK YOU!
The PWR is way out of whack with USCHO and CHN. What am I missing?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2017 05:22PM by Trotsky.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: BearLover (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: February 08, 2017 05:24PM
Very nice. Certainly doesn't feel like we're 86% to get a bye and 70% to make the NCAAs...
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 08, 2017 05:55PM
BearLover
Very nice. Certainly doesn't feel like we're 86% to get a bye and 70% to make the NCAAs...
And if we win out, we'd be a 2-seed, at worst!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/08/2017 05:56PM by andyw2100.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: February 08, 2017 08:30PM
upprdeck
I think its fun just looking at how close this finish might be.
…
that would a lot of fun those last 2 weekends. Im sure its not that hard to find a way for a 5 way tie at the end. we really need to find a way to win these last 4 home games and last night was a good start
Right now, this is all looking like a replay of 1996, with Quinnipiac in the role of Colgate, Union in the role of Vermont, and Harvard and Clarkson reversed.
Hopefully, it all ends up rhyming, even though I'd be perfectly happy to avoid a series with Quinnipiac.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: February 10, 2017 11:12AM
Jim Hyla
Time for.............
ECAC Playoff Possibilities Stuff
I PM'd jtw and hopefully he's got the time to put it up.
Please...........
It should go live on Monday. Sunday games confuse it, and I don't have time to look into modifying the hack I introduced in 2000 when Bob Gaudet's hissy fit resulted in some Saturday games being moved to Sunday. (IIRC, that doesn't handle situations where a team plays both Saturday and Sunday in a given weekend.)
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 10, 2017 12:15PM
jtwcornell91
Jim Hyla
Time for.............
ECAC Playoff Possibilities Stuff
I PM'd jtw and hopefully he's got the time to put it up.
Please...........
It should go live on Monday. Sunday games confuse it, and I don't have time to look into modifying the hack I introduced in 2000 when Bob Gaudet's hissy fit resulted in some Saturday games being moved to Sunday. (IIRC, that doesn't handle situations where a team plays both Saturday and Sunday in a given weekend.)
Thanks, it's always a lot of fun.
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: BearLover (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: February 10, 2017 01:01PM
Obviously getting a bye is our biggest concern, but finishing 3rd instead of 4th and thereby dodging Q would also be big.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 10, 2017 01:04PM
BearLover
Obviously getting a bye is our biggest concern, but finishing 3rd instead of 4th and thereby dodging Q would also be big.
It would also mean avoiding 1 in the SF, and with this logjam the 1 is likely the team that gets very hot late.
Of course, the ideal solution is to be that team.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/10/2017 01:05PM by Trotsky.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: February 10, 2017 01:09PM
Trotsky
BearLover
Obviously getting a bye is our biggest concern, but finishing 3rd instead of 4th and thereby dodging Q would also be big.
It would also mean avoiding 1 in the SF, and with this logjam the 1 is likely the team that gets very hot late.
Of course, the ideal solution is to be that team.
...and we come full circle to "Just win, baby"
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: BearLover (---.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)
Date: February 10, 2017 01:33PM
Well, currently U looks more likely to finish first than H, and I definitely fear H more than any other ECAC team. (I also don't believe in momentum in sports.)Trotsky
BearLover
Obviously getting a bye is our biggest concern, but finishing 3rd instead of 4th and thereby dodging Q would also be big.
It would also mean avoiding 1 in the SF, and with this logjam the 1 is likely the team that gets very hot late.
Of course, the ideal solution is to be that team.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/10/2017 01:34PM by BearLover.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: February 13, 2017 08:19AM
Jim Hyla
Time for.............
ECAC Playoff Possibilities Stuff
I PM'd jtw and hopefully he's got the time to put it up.
Please...........
Have at it:
[www.elynah.com]
[www.elynah.com]
PM with bug reports, please!
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 13, 2017 08:33AM
jtwcornell91
Have at it
Case 00: Pessimism: Cornell 1-3 (only win v RPI) and all the rest of the results were decided as follows: split the league into top 5 bottom 7, top always beats bottom, in intragroup home always wins. Result:
5. Cornell 27 pts (lose tiebreaker vs Q)
Case 01: Determinism: Case 00 but give Cornell the wins against Clarkson and Union so the top/bottom rules are universal
3. Cornell 31 pts (win tiebreaker vs SLU)
Case 02: Optimism: Case 00 plus Cornell sweep
2. Cornell 33 pts (win tiebreaker vs Union)
Case 03: Optimism and Screw Harvard: Case 02 plus SLU beats Harvard
1. Cornell 33 pts (win tiebreaker vs Union)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2017 08:34AM by Trotsky.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 13, 2017 09:01AM
Trotsky
jtwcornell91
Have at it
Case 00: Pessimism: Cornell 1-3 (only win v RPI) and all the rest of the results were decided as follows: split the league into top 5 bottom 7, top always beats bottom, in intragroup home always wins. Result:
5. Cornell 27 pts (lose tiebreaker vs Q)
Case 01: Determinism: Case 00 but give Cornell the wins against Clarkson and Union so the top/bottom rules are universal
3. Cornell 31 pts (win tiebreaker vs SLU)
Case 02: Optimism: Case 00 plus Cornell sweep
2. Cornell 33 pts (win tiebreaker vs Union)
Case 03: Optimism and Screw Harvard: Case 02 plus SLU beats Harvard
1. Cornell 33 pts (win tiebreaker vs Union)
And you basically reaffirmed Playoff Status, Cornell.
So as they say, let's just win.
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: February 13, 2017 04:05PM
Freshman forward, who has played in fewer than half their games, only 1 point on the season. Not an impactful loss for them.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: February 13, 2017 06:25PM
Northeastern currently leads Boston College 2-1 in the 3rd of the Beanpot consy. Could have interesting PWR implications, though maybe not beyond taking BC out of their "tie" with us.
EDIT: Just like that, it's tied up.
EDIT: Just like that, it's tied up.
___________________________
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2017 06:31PM by Beeeej.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 13, 2017 06:32PM
BC ties at 2; 6 min leftBeeeej
Northeastern currently leads Boston College 2-1 in the 3rd of the Beanpot consy. Could have interesting PWR implications, though maybe not beyond taking BC out of their "tie" with us.
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
Al DeFlorio '65
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: February 13, 2017 07:02PM
Looks like Northeastern pulled it out, 4-2 final.
___________________________
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: GBR1234 (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: February 13, 2017 09:00PM
What are the PWR implications of the Harvard v. BU game?
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: LGR14 (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: February 13, 2017 09:05PM
GBR1234
What are the PWR implications of the Harvard v. BU game?
A Harvard win helps a little bit but probably not enough to move to 12th. A BU win knocks CU back to 14th.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-70-198-36.myvzw.com)
Date: February 13, 2017 09:10PM
LGR14
GBR1234
What are the PWR implications of the Harvard v. BU game?
A Harvard win helps a little bit but probably not enough to move to 12th. A BU win knocks CU back to 14th.
Are you certain of that? It's the BC/Providence comparison that BC upsets to tie us. We beat them with a decent chunk of RPI edge. Not sure that'd flip.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: LGR14 (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: February 13, 2017 09:24PM
Dafatone
LGR14
GBR1234
What are the PWR implications of the Harvard v. BU game?
A Harvard win helps a little bit but probably not enough to move to 12th. A BU win knocks CU back to 14th.
Are you certain of that? It's the BC/Providence comparison that BC upsets to tie us. We beat them with a decent chunk of RPI edge. Not sure that'd flip.
Harvard win is good for a .5496 RPI. A BU win would drop us to a .5482 RPI. But you're right, a BU win doesn't knock us back to 14th anymore after the loss from earlier. For what it's worth, BC would sit at .5432 with a BU victory.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2017 09:25PM by LGR14.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 13, 2017 10:36PM
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Minnesota-Duluth 59 .6078 1 .0137 18-5-5 .7321 .7133
2 Denver 58 .5995 2 .0107 20-6-4 .7333 .7260
3 Harvard 57 .5816 3 .0055 18-5-2 .7600 .7797
4 Minnesota 56 .5691 4 .0044 18-8-2 .6786 .6889
5 Boston University 55 .5673 5 .0071 19-9-2 .6667 .6783
6 Penn State 54 .5654 6 .0009 18-6-2 .7308 .7190
7 Western Michigan 53 .5653 7 .0061 16-8-4 .6429 .6439
8 Providence 51 .5581 8 .0055 18-8-4 .6667 .6599
9 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5575 9 .0039 19-9-3 .6613 .6667
10 North Dakota 50 .5550 10 .0074 15-11-3 .5690 .5479
11 Union 49 .5533 11 .0025 20-8-2 .7000 .7152
12 St. Cloud State 48 .5507 12 .0094 15-14-1 .5167 .5200
13 Cornell 47 .5496 13 .0014 16-6-3 .7000 .6953
14 Boston College 47 .5422 14 .0037 18-12-2 .5938 .6031
15 Ohio State 45 .5421 15 .0085 14-8-6 .6071 .6088
16 Vermont 44 .5408 16 .0033 17-10-3 .6167 .6069
17 Nebraska-Omaha 43 .5400 17 .0034 15-12-5 .5469 .5422
18 Notre Dame 42 .5397 18 .0046 17-9-4 .6333 .6096
19 St. Lawrence 41 .5382 19 .0037 15-9-6 .6000 .6143
20 Air Force 40 .5375 20 .0012 19-8-5 .6719 .6844
1 Minnesota-Duluth 59 .6078 1 .0137 18-5-5 .7321 .7133
2 Denver 58 .5995 2 .0107 20-6-4 .7333 .7260
3 Harvard 57 .5816 3 .0055 18-5-2 .7600 .7797
4 Minnesota 56 .5691 4 .0044 18-8-2 .6786 .6889
5 Boston University 55 .5673 5 .0071 19-9-2 .6667 .6783
6 Penn State 54 .5654 6 .0009 18-6-2 .7308 .7190
7 Western Michigan 53 .5653 7 .0061 16-8-4 .6429 .6439
8 Providence 51 .5581 8 .0055 18-8-4 .6667 .6599
9 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5575 9 .0039 19-9-3 .6613 .6667
10 North Dakota 50 .5550 10 .0074 15-11-3 .5690 .5479
11 Union 49 .5533 11 .0025 20-8-2 .7000 .7152
12 St. Cloud State 48 .5507 12 .0094 15-14-1 .5167 .5200
13 Cornell 47 .5496 13 .0014 16-6-3 .7000 .6953
14 Boston College 47 .5422 14 .0037 18-12-2 .5938 .6031
15 Ohio State 45 .5421 15 .0085 14-8-6 .6071 .6088
16 Vermont 44 .5408 16 .0033 17-10-3 .6167 .6069
17 Nebraska-Omaha 43 .5400 17 .0034 15-12-5 .5469 .5422
18 Notre Dame 42 .5397 18 .0046 17-9-4 .6333 .6096
19 St. Lawrence 41 .5382 19 .0037 15-9-6 .6000 .6143
20 Air Force 40 .5375 20 .0012 19-8-5 .6719 .6844
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 14, 2017 10:01AM
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB W- L-T Win % Wgtd Win % 9 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5575 9 .0039 19- 9-3 .6613 .6667 10 North Dakota 50 .5550 10 .0074 15-11-3 .5690 .5479 11 Union 49 .5533 11 .0025 20- 8-2 .7000 .7152 12 St. Cloud State 48 .5507 12 .0094 15-14-1 .5167 .5200 13 Cornell 47 .5496 13 .0014 16- 6-3 .7000 .6953 14 Boston College 47 .5422 14 .0037 18-12-2 .5938 .6031
Nearly as close to 9 as to 14.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2017 10:03AM by Trotsky.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: abmarks (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 14, 2017 03:26PM
Trotsky
Nearly as close to 9 as to 14.
How so? I Don't see it
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 14, 2017 03:51PM
abmarks
Trotsky
Nearly as close to 9 as to 14.
How so? I Don't see it
.0074 above 14.
.0079 below 9.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 14, 2017 10:50PM
andyw2100
abmarks
Trotsky
Nearly as close to 9 as to 14.
How so? I Don't see it
.0074 above 14.
.0079 below 9.
It actually could be slightly closer (or further apart) because when you subtract numbers with four-figure accuracy, the difference calculated could be off by one in the fourth place.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 15, 2017 07:22AM
ursusminor
andyw2100
abmarks
Trotsky
Nearly as close to 9 as to 14.
How so? I Don't see it
.0074 above 14.
.0079 below 9.
It actually could be slightly closer (or further apart) because when you subtract numbers with four-figure accuracy, the difference calculated could be off by one in the fourth place.
picky, picky, picky
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 15, 2017 03:57PM
Jim Hyla
ursusminor
andyw2100
abmarks
Trotsky
Nearly as close to 9 as to 14.
How so? I Don't see it
.0074 above 14.
.0079 below 9.
It actually could be slightly closer (or further apart) because when you subtract numbers with four-figure accuracy, the difference calculated could be off by one in the fourth place.
picky, picky, picky
But the numbers are only measured to 4-digits precision. So if we round off to 3 digits, using standard conventions, we get Cornell with .550, UML with .558, and BC with .542. So we're .008 away from both #9 & #14.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: jkahn (---.73.146.216.biz.sta.networkgci.net)
Date: February 15, 2017 06:35PM
It should be noted that we are in a more vulnerable position than the teams around us. 25% of RPI is based upon a team's winning percentage, and since we're at .700, a loss knocks more points off our percentage than it does for the teams with lesser win percentages (and more than Union, also at .700, since Union's played more games). We go 5 and 3 the rest of the way and our RPI goes down, while BC's goes up with the same 5 and 3 for them. I'm making the assumption here that the other RPI factors don't change all that much the rest of the way, but the most significant shifts at this point in the season will be come from teams' own wins and losses. I'm also ignoring the home/road factors for simplification though I'm aware of them.Trotsky
Rk Team PCWs RPI Rk QWB W- L-T Win % Wgtd Win % 9 Mass.-Lowell 51 .5575 9 .0039 19- 9-3 .6613 .6667 10 North Dakota 50 .5550 10 .0074 15-11-3 .5690 .5479 11 Union 49 .5533 11 .0025 20- 8-2 .7000 .7152 12 St. Cloud State 48 .5507 12 .0094 15-14-1 .5167 .5200 13 Cornell 47 .5496 13 .0014 16- 6-3 .7000 .6953 14 Boston College 47 .5422 14 .0037 18-12-2 .5938 .6031
Nearly as close to 9 as to 14.
___________________________
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Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 16, 2017 12:32PM
With two weeks remaining in the regular season and all teams having four games left, and with the top four teams all within two point in the ECAC standings, it seems quite possible that at the end, some teams will be tied with the same total points. I'm looking for some clarity on tie breaking procedures. Obviously head to head is the first
deciding factor and I suspect total wins might be next ( one win being better than two ties} but after that I'm pretty clueless on the protocol. Anyone know the list in terms of importance right up to a flip of a coin?
deciding factor and I suspect total wins might be next ( one win being better than two ties} but after that I'm pretty clueless on the protocol. Anyone know the list in terms of importance right up to a flip of a coin?
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: marty (104.129.194.---)
Date: February 16, 2017 12:46PM
wakester2468
With two weeks remaining in the regular season and all teams having four games left, and with the top four teams all within two point in the ECAC standings, it seems quite possible that at the end, some teams will be tied with the same total points. I'm looking for some clarity on tie breaking procedures. Obviously head to head is the first
deciding factor and I suspect total wins might be next ( one win being better than two ties} but after that I'm pretty clueless on the protocol. Anyone know the list in terms of importance right up to a flip of a coin?
Look!
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: February 16, 2017 03:25PM
Presumably it is still possible to have a 4-way tie for first.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Tom Lento (199.201.64.---)
Date: February 16, 2017 07:05PM
Trotsky
Presumably it is still possible to have a 4-way tie for first.
Yes, there are several paths, although of course at least one tie is required. Here's one that involves the current top 4 winning all but one game against teams 5-12 (the one exception being a Union draw, potentially vs. QC):
Cornell and SLU tie, Cornell beats Clarkson, Union, and RPI.
SLU beats Harvard, Brown, and Colgate.
Harvard beats Clarkson, Yale, and Brown
Union goes 2-0-1 against Colgate, QC, and Princeton
Here's one with just one tie, but it requires either Brown or Colgate to beat SLU and Cornell plus one other (QC most likely) to beat Union:
SLU beats Cornell and Harvard and splits with Brown and Colgate
Cornell beats Union, Clarkson, and RPI
Harvard goes 2-0-1 against Clarkson, Yale, and Brown
Union goes 2-1-0 against Colgate, QC, and Princeton
And with that, I have wasted enough time at work.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: February 23, 2017 01:01PM
In a game to potentially watch tonight, PWR 8 Lowell is at BC.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 23, 2017 05:58PM
Trotsky
In a game to potentially watch tonight, PWR 8 Lowell is at BC.
Also Miami at UMD.
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.sub-70-209-135.myvzw.com)
Date: February 23, 2017 10:12PM
Jim Hyla
Trotsky
In a game to potentially watch tonight, PWR 8 Lowell is at BC.
Also Miami at UMD.
U Mass Lowell beat BC, and we seem to now be 9th in the pairwise.
Also Miami has tied Minnesota Duluth at 3. Roughly 9 minutes remaining in the third. Free audio here: [network1sports.com]
Edit: Minnesota Duluth homer announcer flipping out about the officiating!
Edit 2 - UMD scored on a powerplay, with 1:24 left.
Edit 3: It ends 4-3 UMD over Miami. I wonder how much we would have been helped by a Miami win or tie. Oh well.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2017 10:31PM by andyw2100.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 08:04AM
Every game seems to be more important than the previous one. While an initial goal of getting a first round bye has been achieved, Pairwise rankings sure doesn't allow for a let down in any game. The Union game, although not affecting Cornell's final positioning in ECAC standings is of vital importance. A win most likely will give us a good chance of an at large bid in the NCAA's if we don't get the automatic bid by winning at Lake Placid. Harvard is on a roll winning the Beanpot and playing as well as anyone in the country.
Without getting too far ahead of things, with a win against Union and a Harvard victory over Clarkson, we secure the 2nd seed thus if things work out in the playoffs according to
seeding, we would play Union rather than Harvard in the semis at Lake Placid. Granted that's looking a ways down the road but Union is a much more desirable opponent. It is possible that we might need to win that semifinal in Lake Placid to get a birth in the NCAA tourney. To me, this makes tonight's game against U the most important of the year.
Without getting too far ahead of things, with a win against Union and a Harvard victory over Clarkson, we secure the 2nd seed thus if things work out in the playoffs according to
seeding, we would play Union rather than Harvard in the semis at Lake Placid. Granted that's looking a ways down the road but Union is a much more desirable opponent. It is possible that we might need to win that semifinal in Lake Placid to get a birth in the NCAA tourney. To me, this makes tonight's game against U the most important of the year.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 25, 2017 08:26AM
wakester2468
Harvard is on a roll winning the Beanpot and playing as well as anyone in the country.
Without getting too far ahead of things, with a win against Union and a Harvard victory over Clarkson, we secure the 2nd seed thus if things work out in the playoffs according to
seeding, we would play Union rather than Harvard in the semis at Lake Placid.
Not sure what you are talking about. We can finish no higher or lower than third, no matter what happens tonight.
Our game will have an impact on the 1-2 spots. If we beat Union, and Harvard wins as well (or if other scenarios involving ties play out) we will, as you suggest, face Union instead of Harvard in Lake Placid if the playoff results hold, but it will be as a three-seed, playing Union as a two-seed.
Oh, and Harvard plays Saint Lawrence tonight, not Clarkson.
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Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 08:37AM
I have posted rather erroneous posts here on occasions but this last one might be the worst. You are right about not finishing any place but 3rd and the face Harvard plays
St Lawrence tonight. The point I was trying to make although with bogus facts is that it is preferable in my opinion to have Harvard finish ahead of Harvard thus requiring us
to defeat Union tonight. Let's try this again. It help us Pairwise with Union and eliminates a potential semi final match up with Harvard at Lake Placid. Think i will leave it at that.
St Lawrence tonight. The point I was trying to make although with bogus facts is that it is preferable in my opinion to have Harvard finish ahead of Harvard thus requiring us
to defeat Union tonight. Let's try this again. It help us Pairwise with Union and eliminates a potential semi final match up with Harvard at Lake Placid. Think i will leave it at that.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 25, 2017 08:43AM
wakester2468
The point I was trying to make although with bogus facts is that it is preferable in my opinion to have Harvard finish ahead of Harvard thus requiring us
to defeat Union tonight.
But what happens if Harvard finishes behind Harvard?
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 08:57AM
Damn, I need to get rid of this decaf and go to the leaded stuff.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: KenP (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 08:58AM
Then Harvard is pulling Harvard back. In other words, Harvard sucks.andyw2100
wakester2468
The point I was trying to make although with bogus facts is that it is preferable in my opinion to have Harvard finish ahead of Harvard thus requiring us
to defeat Union tonight.
But what happens if Harvard finishes behind Harvard?
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 09:02AM
That is one thing to agree on and I'm sure I'm right about.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 09:08AM
PWR changes so much this late.
But one thing we know is that in the NCHC St cloud or ND will go backwards since the likely play each other, one is losing 2 games
in Hockey east good chance that BU/prov play and hurt one of them with 2 losses, also could have ND/Vermont give someone 2 losses
thats 3 teams around us in the bubble that will get 2 losses and if we take care of business tonight and the first round we can only take one.. thats about all we can control
then it comes down to imploding leagues beyond the 2 likely non PWR qualifiers
But one thing we know is that in the NCHC St cloud or ND will go backwards since the likely play each other, one is losing 2 games
in Hockey east good chance that BU/prov play and hurt one of them with 2 losses, also could have ND/Vermont give someone 2 losses
thats 3 teams around us in the bubble that will get 2 losses and if we take care of business tonight and the first round we can only take one.. thats about all we can control
then it comes down to imploding leagues beyond the 2 likely non PWR qualifiers
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 09:20AM
All good points. Think I will leave the stats and facts to others for awhile. They always seem to get in the way of my opinions.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 09:26AM
That is the great weakness of evidence.wakester2468
All good points. Think I will leave the stats and facts to others for awhile. They always seem to get in the way of my opinions.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 10:04AM
wakester2468
Damn, I need to get rid of this decaf and go to the leaded stuff.
There's also that preview link. Proofreading does help.
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Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-70-198-36.myvzw.com)
Date: February 25, 2017 10:59AM
To fearmonger, I could see the lack of a lake placid consolation game being our downfall. Or union's, for that matter.
The way I see it, the loser of today's game probably needs to win one in lake placid. A consolation game would help.
The way I see it, the loser of today's game probably needs to win one in lake placid. A consolation game would help.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: upprdeck (---.syrcny.east.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 11:51AM
i think if we win tonight , the lack of game is good, if we lose tonight and get to the semis and lose then its bad.
Re: Looking Ahead
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2017 11:55AM
Significant improvement over last year in ECAC RS G/GP (with rounding).
Cornell needs 3 goals tonight to average 3.2. Under Schafer we have done that 7 times: 96, 97, 00, 02, 03, 05, 10. In 5 of those 7 seasons we went on to win the ECAC Tournament.
Cornell needs 3 goals tonight to average 3.2. Under Schafer we have done that 7 times: 96, 97, 00, 02, 03, 05, 10. In 5 of those 7 seasons we went on to win the ECAC Tournament.
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