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2017-18 Schedule

Posted by Jim Hyla 
2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.arthritishealthdoctors.com)
Date: January 01, 2017 11:42AM

Here’s what I have, the ECAC portion, minus Colgate, plus Miami (Away). As before please post additions, corrections and I’ll add them. Attached is the full ECAC schedule.

Sat 10/16 ? Red/White
Fri 10/20 ? Ex
Sat 10/21 ? Ex
Fri 10/27 ? OOC, Colgate
Sat 10/28 ? OOC, Colgate
Fri 11/03 @ Quinnipiac
Sat 11/04 @ Princeton
Fri 11/10 Dartmouth
Sat 11/11 Harvard
Fri 11/17 St. Lawrence
Sat 11/18 Clarkson
Sat 11/25 ? MSG
Fri 12/01 @ Miami
Sat 12/02 @ Miami
?   12/ ?  Florida College Hockey Tournament
?   12/ ?  Florida College Hockey Tournament
Fri  1/05 Princeton
Sat  1/06 Qunnipiac
Fri  1/12 @ Yale
Sat  1/13 @ Brown
Fri  1/19 ? OOC, Colgate
Sat  1/20 ? OOC, Colgate
Fri  1/26 @ Harvard
Sat  1/27 @ Dartmouth
Fri  2/02 Union
Sat  2/03 Rensselaer
Fri  2/09 @ Clarkson
Sat  2/10 @ St. Lawrence
Fri  2/16 Brown
Sat  2/17 Yale
Fri  2/23 @ Rensselaer
Sat  2/24 @ Union

Fri  3/02-Sun 3/04 ECAC Prelims
Fri  3/09-Sun 3/11 ECAC Quarterfinals
Fri  3/16 ECAC Semi-Finals @ Lake Placid
Sat  3/17 ECAC Finals @ Lake Placid

Fri  3/23-Sun 3/25 NCAA Regionals @ ???

Thu  4/05 NCAA Semi-Finals @ Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN
Sat  4/07 NCAA Finals @ Xcel Energy Center, St. Paul, MN

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/23/2017 03:26PM by Jim Hyla.
 

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Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 01, 2017 02:08PM

Brutal final few weeks. Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: January 01, 2017 02:32PM

Trotsky
Brutal final few weeks. Gather ye rosebuds while ye may.

Yeah, those ECAC and NCAA playoffs are brutal.

 
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 02, 2017 12:57AM

Is Harvard refusing to go to Troy next year? rolleyes
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 02, 2017 02:36AM

ursusminor
Is Harvard refusing to go to Troy next year? rolleyes
They'll go on a different date, since obviously they have that weekend reserved to lose the first round of the Bean Pot.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: ursusminor (---.washdc.east.verizon.net)
Date: January 02, 2017 05:10AM

Trotsky
ursusminor
Is Harvard refusing to go to Troy next year? rolleyes
They'll go on a different date, since obviously they have that weekend reserved to lose the first round of the Bean Pot.
I realize that, and it says that at the top of the file. I wonder why we seem to be the ones to have to do that so often. It was also RPI this year. I guess if they moved Union instead of RPI, they would have even less of an alibi for losing in the Bean Pot.

Jim,
I assume that this schedule is now public knowledge and you have no problem with it being linked elsewhere. I posted it on the RPI thread on USCHO.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/02/2017 05:12AM by ursusminor.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 02, 2017 07:18AM

ursusminor
Trotsky
ursusminor
Is Harvard refusing to go to Troy next year? rolleyes
They'll go on a different date, since obviously they have that weekend reserved to lose the first round of the Bean Pot.
I realize that, and it says that at the top of the file. I wonder why we seem to be the ones to have to do that so often. It was also RPI this year. I guess if they moved Union instead of RPI, they would have even less of an alibi for losing in the Bean Pot.

Jim,
I assume that this schedule is now public knowledge and you have no problem with it being linked elsewhere. I posted it on the RPI thread on USCHO.

You're correct.

 
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Iceberg (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 02, 2017 09:48AM

Why are there league games at Lynah during the Winter Break?
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: January 02, 2017 11:13AM

Iceberg
Why are there league games at Lynah during the Winter Break?
My guess is we've just lucked out recently.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: January 02, 2017 11:55AM

Iceberg
Why are there league games at Lynah during the Winter Break?

That's happened before and the ticket office has asked for donation of tickets that aren't going to be used. I know at least some have been given to area kids teams.

 
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: January 03, 2017 01:42PM

Is going back to the Florida tournament confirmed for December 2017?
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 03, 2017 01:53PM

CU2007
Is going back to the Florida tournament confirmed for December 2017?
They usually announce the next field at the close of the tourney. Did they not do that?
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: cufan (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: January 03, 2017 02:29PM

The Florida Tourney is very much in doubt. Heard the rumors upon arrival and talked with Trent Ferguson, Director of Sales. His answer to the question concerning the tourney next year was "To be determined".
Attendance was way down, much less than the announced since I suspect that they were counting the season ticket sales. For Cornell game I would guess under 2000 the first night and the second game "crowd" could be counted in the hundreds. Arena GM Craig Brush (Cornell '70), prime mover of this tourney is nearing retirement and no one seems to have the fire to carry on.
SIGH!
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: January 03, 2017 02:41PM

cufan
The Florida Tourney is very much in doubt. Heard the rumors upon arrival and talked with Trent Ferguson, Director of Sales. His answer to the question concerning the tourney next year was "To be determined".
Attendance was way down, much less than the announced since I suspect that they were counting the season ticket sales. For Cornell game I would guess under 2000 the first night and the second game "crowd" could be counted in the hundreds. Arena GM Craig Brush (Cornell '70), prime mover of this tourney is nearing retirement and no one seems to have the fire to carry on.
SIGH!
It's had a very good run, I wouldn't sigh too hard, particularly if it has hurt us more than helped over all.

But if they hold one more I guess I gotta go. I've never been to it. Maybe that's the problem, I'm still 11-1 in Hanover. :)
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: March 07, 2017 08:58AM

In the getting way ahead of myself department, wondering if there is any update for the 2017-2018 schedule. The ECAC schedule which generally flips from the previous year I
imagine is pretty much all set. Just speculation, I suspect the Florida tournament will not continue. This increases the out of conference schedule to seven games hopefully
within travel distance. I would think we are obligated to travel to Miami(Ohio) for two and if staying with tradition, MSG with BU is likely. Thus, this leaves four games to be determined. Any inside info from anyone would be appreciated.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 07, 2017 09:12AM

I suspect the alternative to FL will be playing musical chairs every year trying to get into other tournaments, and scheduling more AH opponents for the years we fail.

I'd much rather keep FL and try to jazz it up. Find a perennial top tier (NoDak, BC, Minny) co-host for stability. Have a standing invite for the US major junior team as a warm up for their tourney. Full frontal nudity and chimps. Something.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2017 09:13AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.cws.sco.cisco.com)
Date: March 07, 2017 11:13AM

Trotsky
I suspect the alternative to FL will be playing musical chairs every year trying to get into other tournaments, and scheduling more AH opponents for the years we fail.

I'd much rather keep FL and try to jazz it up. Find a perennial top tier (NoDak, BC, Minny) co-host for stability. Have a standing invite for the US major junior team as a warm up for their tourney. Full frontal nudity and chimps. Something.

Bread and circuses?
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: March 07, 2017 12:35PM

I would strongly suggest if the Florida tourney is eliminated that CU attempt to host a tourney of their own at Lynah. An argument against might be a potential lack of attendance while students are away for the holidays. A reduced price for these games would potentially offset it buy appealing to more locals especially kids who might get the chance to attend. Season ticket holders could be charged a lower rate. Season ticket packages for students could be bought either with or without these games. Seems like a no brainer. Pretty sure the allure of playing at Lynah would help draw in top tier hockey schools who otherwise you wouldn't see during either semester. Would be nice to see other programs in Ithaca for a change. Several years ago Cornell hosted such an event but not sure why it was discontinued. Best bet is it had something to do with the almighty $. Not sure what the financial arrangement was for Florida trips but I would think this would be better. Lastly, only having 13 home games this year is just too few. Any thoughts?
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 07, 2017 12:57PM

wakester2468
I would strongly suggest if the Florida tourney is eliminated that CU attempt to host a tourney of their own at Lynah. An argument against might be a potential lack of attendance while students are away for the holidays. A reduced price for these games would potentially offset it buy appealing to more locals especially kids who might get the chance to attend. Season ticket holders could be charged a lower rate. Season ticket packages for students could be bought either with or without these games. Seems like a no brainer. Pretty sure the allure of playing at Lynah would help draw in top tier hockey schools who otherwise you wouldn't see during either semester. Would be nice to see other programs in Ithaca for a change. Several years ago Cornell hosted such an event but not sure why it was discontinued. Best bet is it had something to do with the almighty $. Not sure what the financial arrangement was for Florida trips but I would think this would be better. Lastly, only having 13 home games this year is just too few. Any thoughts?

Let's see, the allure of playing at Lynah in December right after Christmas with no students, so no atmosphere.

That, by itself ought to have teams just willing to pay CU for the opportunity.

Sorry for being so mean, but I just don't see it.

Also, in regards to your other post, if you go back to my first post, I had attached the full ECAC schedule. So yes, it's set, all but travel partners.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 07, 2017 01:32PM

wakester2468
Several years ago Cornell hosted such an event but not sure why it was discontinued.

When did Cornell host a tournament at Lynah?
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: March 07, 2017 01:35PM

andyw2100
wakester2468
Several years ago Cornell hosted such an event but not sure why it was discontinued.

When did Cornell host a tournament at Lynah?

It certainly wasn't during the winter holidays - we've been playing/hosting the tourney in Estero since 2000.

 
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Tucson or Bust!

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- Steve Worona
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 07, 2017 01:47PM

Beeeej
andyw2100
wakester2468
Several years ago Cornell hosted such an event but not sure why it was discontinued.

When did Cornell host a tournament at Lynah?

It certainly wasn't during the winter holidays - we've been playing/hosting the tourney in Estero since 2000.

Right.

I actually don't remember Cornell hosting a tournament like that since I've been following Cornell hockey (1982), but I've also been shown that my memory is not perfect, so I am open to hearing about something I may have forgotten.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 07, 2017 02:08PM

andyw2100
Beeeej
andyw2100
wakester2468
Several years ago Cornell hosted such an event but not sure why it was discontinued.

When did Cornell host a tournament at Lynah?

It certainly wasn't during the winter holidays - we've been playing/hosting the tourney in Estero since 2000.

Right.

I actually don't remember Cornell hosting a tournament like that since I've been following Cornell hockey (1982), but I've also been shown that my memory is not perfect, so I am open to hearing about something I may have forgotten.

Two two-year runs: 59-60 and 77-78.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: andyw2100 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: March 07, 2017 02:16PM

Trotsky
andyw2100
Beeeej
andyw2100
wakester2468
Several years ago Cornell hosted such an event but not sure why it was discontinued.

When did Cornell host a tournament at Lynah?

It certainly wasn't during the winter holidays - we've been playing/hosting the tourney in Estero since 2000.

Right.

I actually don't remember Cornell hosting a tournament like that since I've been following Cornell hockey (1982), but I've also been shown that my memory is not perfect, so I am open to hearing about something I may have forgotten.

Two two-year runs: 59-60 and 77-78.

So not exactly "several years ago." :)
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: March 07, 2017 02:38PM

So according to Merriam Webster, much to my dismay, you are correct. Several is more than a few but less than many. However, showing my age, I was at the Christmas tournament
in the late 70's. I would be curious to see the breakdown of the student to non student at games the past few years. I'm not implying that the place would be sold out by any means.
However, with reduced pricing for seniors, youth and for that matter giving season ticket holders a break for once, it would certainly be better than what we have seen in Fla.
So give it a try for one year. What the hell do you have to lose? Two more home games for those season ticket holders who would like to see some hockey at Christmas time. I went to Estero this year for the first time and was so disappointed.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: March 07, 2017 02:52PM

wakester2468
So give it a try for one year. What the hell do you have to lose?

The players like the warm beaches stocked without regard to Ivy admissions and the coaching staff likes the team bonding opportunities?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2017 02:55PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: upprdeck (---.fs.cornell.edu)
Date: March 07, 2017 03:23PM

from what i have gathered the players are not all the psyched about the florida trip even now. they would probably just fly home for a week.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 07, 2017 03:38PM

Trotsky
wakester2468
So give it a try for one year. What the hell do you have to lose?

The players like the warm beaches stocked without regard to Ivy admissions and the coaching staff likes the team bonding opportunities?

And you have money to lose. You don't think the teams, 3 others if you'll have a tournament, are paying their own way, do you? You have to pay their transportation, room and board, as well as any perks you give them. Then there's the question of whether they expect some extra money for attending.

Finally, I still don't think it would be easy to attract the kind of schools that I think people are talking about. Again, do teams look at coming to Ithaca in late December as a wonderful opportunity? Doubtful.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: March 08, 2017 07:29AM

So rather than just speculate that it wouldn't work, why not put out feelers to a handful of teams to determine the viability of such an idea.
Not knowing the financial arrangement Cornell has had yearly for the Florida trip, it's difficult to compare the monetary ramifications.
Regarding weather, Dartmouth for many years has hosted their holiday tournament with top level participants from major conferences such as BC and Michigan to
mention a couple. This is hockey. Not spring training baseball.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 08, 2017 07:44AM

wakester2468
So rather than just speculate that it wouldn't work, why not put out feelers to a handful of teams to determine the viability of such an idea.
Not knowing the financial arrangement Cornell has had yearly for the Florida trip, it's difficult to compare the monetary ramifications.
Regarding weather, Dartmouth for many years has hosted their holiday tournament with top level participants from major conferences such as BC and Michigan to
mention a couple. This is hockey. Not spring training baseball.

Do you know that this hasn't happened? I don't, but in Florida you have a CU hockey alum who wanted to make it work.

Maybe you could offer to do some leg work and see what's the interest. It's easy to complain, but it takes work to make something happen.

I'm sure that if someone like Craig Brush would make an offer, CU would be willing to listen.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: March 08, 2017 08:04AM

Not sure how you interpret my post as complaining. This is just a thought for an alternative to the Florida games should they not continue. My suggestion is only
in response to other posts that discuss the fact that the event might not continue. If I were a Florida CU alum like yourself, I would be echoing the same thoughts as you. I am a loyal alum myself of over 40 years from New Hampshire. If there was a way to do some leg work I would be more than happy but that's not realistic. On another note, like you in Florida, I live one mile from the SNHU Arena(formerly the Verizon Wireless Arena) in Manchester where the Northeast Regional is this year. For a few weeks now, Jason Moy in his bracketology has predicted CU to be placed here. After so many years, personally it would be nice to see the Big Red play in my home town for the first time. It's a very nice facility worth attending and supporting the team should it happen.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: March 08, 2017 08:44AM

Jim Hyla

in Florida you have a CU hockey alum who wanted to make it work.



Can you explain this for those of us who don't know the ins and outs?
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 08, 2017 09:05AM

CU2007
Jim Hyla

in Florida you have a CU hockey alum who wanted to make it work.

Can you explain this for those of us who don't know the ins and outs?

I'll refer you to his bio page from the Florida Everblades website.

Scroll down and you'll see:

"Brush played hockey for four seasons at Cornell University where he was a member of the 1970 undefeated NCAA Championship team, which was the only team in collegiate history to accomplish this feat."

He's the President of the Everblades.

 
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"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.syrcny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: March 08, 2017 09:17AM

wakester2468
Not sure how you interpret my post as complaining. This is just a thought for an alternative to the Florida games should they not continue. My suggestion is only
in response to other posts that discuss the fact that the event might not continue. If I were a Florida CU alum like yourself, I would be echoing the same thoughts as you. I am a loyal alum myself of over 40 years from New Hampshire. If there was a way to do some leg work I would be more than happy but that's not realistic. On another note, like you in Florida, I live one mile from the SNHU Arena(formerly the Verizon Wireless Arena) in Manchester where the Northeast Regional is this year. For a few weeks now, Jason Moy in his bracketology has predicted CU to be placed here. After so many years, personally it would be nice to see the Big Red play in my home town for the first time. It's a very nice facility worth attending and supporting the team should it happen.

I assume you're referring to me, but Syracuse is a long way from Florida and I've never been to one of the tournaments.

So why don't you look into a tournament in Manchester? There are a lot of teams nearby, so transportation costs wouldn't be that much.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: March 08, 2017 09:30AM

Actually that's not the worst idea you have had. In conjunction with UNH which is 40 minutes away and with the fact that there seems to be a good relationship between Dick Umile and Cornell already, there is some validity to that concept. There is a Cornell Club of NH in town and we already know how Cornell takes over Lynah East annually. The two could host jointly like Maine for awhile did in Fla.
The top notch New England schools might like such an event. It's a pipe dream but why not fantasize.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: jkahn (---.73.146.216.biz.sta.networkgci.net)
Date: March 23, 2017 01:58PM

Dec. 1 and 2 at Miami.
I found it on Miami's website:
[www.miamiredhawks.com]

 
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Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.arthritishealthdoctors.com)
Date: March 23, 2017 03:27PM

jkahn
Dec. 1 and 2 at Miami.
I found it on Miami's website:
[www.miamiredhawks.com]

Thanks, added.

 
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: March 23, 2017 03:37PM

Any rumblings on Estero? Won't be long until you can probably safely stick a fork in it.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.102.129.41.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: March 23, 2017 08:00PM

I heard some CHA members at LP saying it wasn't happening.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.20.---)
Date: March 24, 2017 08:55AM

Jeff Hopkins '82
I heard some CHA members at LP saying it wasn't happening.

bummer, thanks for the update.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: March 27, 2017 08:10AM

Although disappointed with Saturdays outcome, I prefer to think of this season as a success with my preseason hopes of making it to Lake Placid met and
exceeded. While 2017 - 2018 season is 7 months away, I hope posts continue through the spring and summer months. Sometimes the anticipation of what's to
come is as enjoyable as it is during the season I especially am looking forward to the official schedule with such things as who replaces Merrimack, MSG and the Florida situation. A lot of variables this year. Keep the faith. GO RED!
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: wakester2468 (---.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)
Date: May 25, 2017 07:27AM

Does anyone have any information regarding the official 2017-2018 schedule? If it hasn't been released yet, curious when to expect the announcement. Will be interesting to see who we add for out of conference opponents to go along with traveling to Miami. Also still wondering if the Florida trip will continue.
 
Re: 2017-18 Schedule
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: May 25, 2017 11:23AM

wakester2468
Also still wondering if the Florida trip will continue.
If it doesn't we need to take the Ned Harkness Cup and stow it for another future attempt. Like in Switzerland. Or Kepler-186f after FTL.
 

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