College Hockey Podcast

Lately I've been listening to the "Hockey Goes to College" weekly podcast. Good stuff. The coverage is very Boston-centric, and pretty critical of the ECAC, but entertaining and informative, nonetheless.

LaJollaRed
Lately I've been listening to the "Hockey Goes to College" weekly podcast. Good stuff. The coverage is very Boston-centric, and pretty critical of the ECAC, but entertaining and informative, nonetheless.

How is it critical? is it the old "EZAC" trope?

Trotsky

LaJollaRed
Lately I've been listening to the "Hockey Goes to College" weekly podcast. Good stuff. The coverage is very Boston-centric, and pretty critical of the ECAC, but entertaining and informative, nonetheless.

How is it critical? is it the old "EZAC" trope?

Respect for the teams that have earned it, less for the others. I know from chatting with him on Twitter that @twolinepass doesn't think much of Schafer as a coach.

ugarte

Trotsky

LaJollaRed
Lately I've been listening to the "Hockey Goes to College" weekly podcast. Good stuff. The coverage is very Boston-centric, and pretty critical of the ECAC, but entertaining and informative, nonetheless.

How is it critical? is it the old "EZAC" trope?

Respect for the teams that have earned it, less for the others. I know from chatting with him on Twitter that @twolinepass doesn't think much of Schafer as a coach.

That's because Ryan Lambert is absolutely obsessed with advanced stats. If a team does not have a high corsi, then Lambert automatically concludes that the team is garbage and incapable of winning. He also concludes that the players are terrible and the coaching is a problem.

Cornell doesn't have a high corsi. It's probably the result of some combination of Schafer's overall game plan and not having players who are as fast or as skilled offensively as many of our opponents.

Of course, Lambert isn't watching Cornell games (he watches a lot of Hockey East, but I doubt he has ever turned on a regular season Cornell game outside of maybe Q and Sucks--in which case he regularly sees us getting dominated in possession).

Long story short, take Lambert's opinions with a grain of salt. There's a lot of merit to use corsi and PDO in trying to figure out whether a team's success or lack of success is likely to persist. It's also good for figuring out whether team deserves to be winning games that it's not or vice-versa. But Lambert (a writer on Puck Daddy, by the way) lives and dies by the paper metrics.

ugarte

Trotsky

LaJollaRed
Lately I've been listening to the "Hockey Goes to College" weekly podcast. Good stuff. The coverage is very Boston-centric, and pretty critical of the ECAC, but entertaining and informative, nonetheless.

How is it critical? is it the old "EZAC" trope?

Respect for the teams that have earned it, less for the others. I know from chatting with him on Twitter that @twolinepass doesn't think much of Schafer as a coach.

A lot of people here don't think much of Schafer as a coach.

css228

ugarte

Trotsky

LaJollaRed
Lately I've been listening to the "Hockey Goes to College" weekly podcast. Good stuff. The coverage is very Boston-centric, and pretty critical of the ECAC, but entertaining and informative, nonetheless.

How is it critical? is it the old "EZAC" trope?

Respect for the teams that have earned it, less for the others. I know from chatting with him on Twitter that @twolinepass doesn't think much of Schafer as a coach.

A lot of people here don't think much of Schafer as a coach.

That's why I didn't think there would be much blowback.

css228
A lot of people here don't think much of Schafer as a coach.

That's a little bit relative considering there's fewer than 20 regular participants here. The vocal "fire Schafer" pitchfork mob numbers about 3-4, which probably equals the "Schafer Forever" club. The majority seems to be in the "the past was great, but we're getting itchy for results again" philosophy. Personally, I thought he might have wanted to try his hand in the pros and if so, he had a great chance to hand the program over to Casey.

If you really think J. Andrew would want to go through an interview process where he has to ask candidates about Corsi QoC and Zone Start Percentage, there's a suspension bridge I'm selling.

RichH
That's a little bit relative considering there's fewer than 20 regular participants here.

Feels like a bit more. I wonder how many posters made 100 posts in 2016. Age could probably tell us.

lets get cornell admissions to do a better job to help with recruiting and then we can worry about a coach.

upprdeck
lets get cornell admissions to do a better job to help with recruiting and then we can worry about a coach.

Just what kind of help do you want?

how about getting kids into school here that have no problem getting admitted into other ivies for starters.

upprdeck
how about getting kids into school here that have no problem getting admitted into other ivies for starters.

Speaking of which it appears Vlad Dzhioshvili will not be attending Cornell, as Heisenberg now lists him as uncommitted. Given the timing, I wonder if it might be admissions related.

RichH

css228
A lot of people here don't think much of Schafer as a coach.

That's a little bit relative considering there's fewer than 20 regular participants here. The vocal "fire Schafer" pitchfork mob numbers about 3-4, which probably equals the "Schafer Forever" club. The majority seems to be in the "the past was great, but we're getting itchy for results again" philosophy. Personally, I thought he might have wanted to try his hand in the pros and if so, he had a great chance to hand the program over to Casey.

If you really think J. Andrew would want to go through an interview process where he has to ask candidates about Corsi QoC and Zone Start Percentage, there's a suspension bridge I'm selling.

I seriously doubt anyone in the pros would ever have hired Schafer, at least without going through the minors first. Dave Hakstol was the first college coach hired directly to the NHL since either Mike Keenan or Bob Johnson. In other words, a coach has to have way more success at a much higher level of college hockey to draw the eyes of an NHL GM, and Schafer was never gonna take the pay cut of being a minor league coach.And I don't buy that Andy would even know what those things are. And before you say a coach is more than just getting results at an ivy league school, he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey. My qualms with him go way beyond what results he gets on the ice.

css228

RichH

css228
A lot of people here don't think much of Schafer as a coach.

That's a little bit relative considering there's fewer than 20 regular participants here. The vocal "fire Schafer" pitchfork mob numbers about 3-4, which probably equals the "Schafer Forever" club. The majority seems to be in the "the past was great, but we're getting itchy for results again" philosophy. Personally, I thought he might have wanted to try his hand in the pros and if so, he had a great chance to hand the program over to Casey.

If you really think J. Andrew would want to go through an interview process where he has to ask candidates about Corsi QoC and Zone Start Percentage, there's a suspension bridge I'm selling.

I seriously doubt anyone in the pros would ever have hired Schafer, at least without going through the minors first. Dave Hakstol was the first college coach hired directly to the NHL since either Mike Keenan or Bob Johnson. In other words, a coach has to have way more success at a much higher level of college hockey to draw the eyes of an NHL GM, and Schafer was never gonna take the pay cut of being a minor league coach.And I don't buy that Andy would even know what those things are. And before you say a coach is more than just getting results at an ivy league school, he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey. My qualms with him go way beyond what results he gets on the ice.

I always thought the assumption was Cornell to NHL assistant, not his own team. That seems plausible to me - or it did when the team was more consistently successful.

css228
he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey

Careful, for your sake but mostly for Age's. I'm honestly not sure whether a college hockey coach counts as a "public figure."

Trotsky

css228
he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey

Careful, for your sake but mostly for Age's. I'm honestly not sure whether a college hockey coach counts as a "public figure."

Click one more link on that second page you cite, and you'll see why Age is actually not at nearly as much risk as css228 would be.

[www.eff.org]

Beeeej

Trotsky

css228
he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey

Careful, for your sake but mostly for Age's. I'm honestly not sure whether a college hockey coach counts as a "public figure."

Click one more link on that second page you cite, and you'll see why Age is actually not at nearly as much risk as css228 would be.

[www.eff.org]

He's a highly prominent employee of state funded institution. He's absolutely a public figure.

css228

Beeeej

Trotsky

css228
he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey

Careful, for your sake but mostly for Age's. I'm honestly not sure whether a college hockey coach counts as a "public figure."

Click one more link on that second page you cite, and you'll see why Age is actually not at nearly as much risk as css228 would be.

[www.eff.org]

He's a highly prominent employee of state funded institution. He's absolutely a public figure.

Thank you, counselor CSS.

css228
And before you say a coach is more than just getting results at an ivy league school, he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey. My qualms with him go way beyond what results he gets on the ice.

Do you have any evidence of this?

BearLover

css228
And before you say a coach is more than just getting results at an ivy league school, he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey. My qualms with him go way beyond what results he gets on the ice.

Do you have any evidence of this?

Out of respect to the source of this info, I'm not going to out them if that's why you're asking for. They were close with hockey players. They worked in athletics. And they don't make shit up.

css228

BearLover

css228
And before you say a coach is more than just getting results at an ivy league school, he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey. My qualms with him go way beyond what results he gets on the ice.

Do you have any evidence of this?

Out of respect to the source of this info, I'm not going to out them if that's why you're asking for. They were close with hockey players. They worked in athletics. And they don't make shit up.

It's worth noting that: there seem to have been almost no player disciplinary issues over Schafer's tenure, a very higher percentage of Cornell players stay four years (even the NHL prospects), and a number of our best players have excelled academically as well as athletically (Greening, Scrivens, Iles, McRae twins, etc.).

Not sure if what you're saying is true, but there's not much in Schafer's visible track record to suggest problems off the ice.

My perception is that Schafer is recruiting smart kids who are also good guys. Now if he can bring in a couple of snipers...

css228
I seriously doubt anyone in the pros would ever have hired Schafer, at least without going through the minors first. Dave Hakstol was the first college coach hired directly to the NHL since either Mike Keenan or Bob Johnson. In other words, a coach has to have way more success at a much higher level of college hockey to draw the eyes of an NHL GM, and Schafer was never gonna take the pay cut of being a minor league coach.And I don't buy that Andy would even know what those things are. And before you say a coach is more than just getting results at an ivy league school, he's been known to bully players out of majors they want to take because it doesn't conform with playing college hockey. My qualms with him go way beyond what results he gets on the ice.

Just to respond to you putting words in my mouth several times:

1) When I said "pros," I didn't mean the NHL. I never mentioned the NHL. I was thinking the same path that his peers, coaches such as Mark Morris or Brian McCutcheon took, in starting in the low minors/AHL. My thought is that he might not want to be a Jack Parker or Red Berenson and stay into his golden years. Maybe I'm wrong, as I don't know what's in the guy's head, just like you don't know if he's as motivated by money as you just implied.

2) Of course Andy doesn't know what those things are, which was EXACTLY my point.

3) Why on earth did you assume I would say that "more than just results" stuff? I never even implied that.

I'll just step aside now and let you continue your smear campaign or whatever.

113 people who have more than 100 posts (all time) and were active in the last year. That's as close as I can get without doing real work