ECAC Playoff Possibilities Stuff

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What's the position that we'll finish the ECAC regular season?

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Okay John, isn't it time for this? We can either solve for or .

And 2 hoorays to the first person who can find a way for us to finish 1, 11 or 12, if possible.

I'm afraid to be too optimistic.

Jim Hyla
And 2 hoorays to the first person who can find a way for us to finish 1, 11 or 12, if possible.

Aw for cryin' out loud... talk about waving a pork chop in front of a Doberman...

Well, here goes. The Big Red finishes first if they win out, Quinnipiac loses out, Harvard and Yale both lose at least two other times besides their games with Cornell, St Lawrence loses at least once, and Clarkson loses or ties at least once.

Here is one way all that can happen:

Friday 2/12:
Clarkson over Princeton
Yale over Colgate
Cornell over Brown
RPI over Harvard
St. Lawrence over Quinnipiac
Dartmouth over Union

Saturday 2/13:
Clarkson over Quinnipiac
Cornell over Yale
RPI over Dartmouth
Harvard over Union
St. Lawrence over Princeton

Friday 2/19:
Clarkson over Brown
Dartmouth over Colgate
Cornell over Harvard
RPI over Quinnipiac
Union over Princeton
St. Lawrence over Yale

Saturday 2/20:
St. Lawrence over Brown
Cornell over Dartmouth
Harvard over Colgate
RPI over Princeton
Union over Quinnipiac
Clarkson over Yale

Friday 2/26:
Clarkson over Harvard
RPI over Colgate
Cornell over Union
Yale over Princeton
Brown over Quinnipiac
Dartmouth over St. Lawrence

Saturday 2/27:
Dartmouth over Clarkson
Union over Colgate
Cornell over RPI
Princeton over Brown
Yale over Quinnipiac
St. Lawrence over Harvard

Final standings would be:

1  Cornell        13-6-3   29
2  St. Lawrence   13-7-2   28
3  RPI            11-5-6   28
4  Quinnipiac     12-6-4   28 
5  Clarkson       12-7-3   27
6  Yale           12-7-3   27
7  Dartmouth      13-9-0   26
8  Harvard        11-8-3   25
9  Union           6-11-5  17
10 Colgate         4-16-2  10
11 Princeton       4-16-2  10
12 Brown           3-16-3   9

Part 2:

Cornell finishes last if they lose all their remaining games, Brown wins out, Princeton wins all their games except the one against Brown, Union wins at least four games, and Clarkson wins or ties at least once.

Here is one way all that can happen:

Friday 2/12:
Princeton over Clarkson
Colgate over Yale
Brown over Cornell
Harvard over RPI
Quinnipiac over St. Lawrence
Union over Dartmouth

Saturday 2/13:
Quinnipiac over Clarkson
Yale over Cornell
RPI over Dartmouth
Union over Harvard
Princeton over St. Lawrence

Friday 2/19:
Brown over Clarkson
Colgate over Dartmouth
Harvard over Cornell
Quinnipiac over RPI
Princeton over Union
St. Lawrence over Yale

Saturday 2/20:
Brown over St. Lawrence
Dartmouth over Cornell
Colgate over Harvard
Princeton over RPI
Quinnipiac over Union
Clarkson over Yale

Friday 2/26:
Harvard over Clarkson
Colgate over RPI
Union over Cornell
Princeton over Yale
Brown over Quinnipiac
Dartmouth over St. Lawrence

Saturday 2/27:
Dartmouth over Clarkson
Union over Colgate
RPI over Cornell
Brown over Princeton
Quinnipiac over Yale
St. Lawrence over Harvard

Final standings would be:

1  Quinnipiac     16-2-4   36
2  Harvard        12-7-3   27
3  Yale           11-8-3   25
4  Dartmouth      12-10-0  24
5  St. Lawrence   10-10-2  22
6  RPI             8-8-6   22
7  Clarkson        8-11-3  19
8  Union           7-10-5  19
9  Colgate         8-12-2  18
10 Princeton       8-12-2  18
11 Brown           7-12-3  17
12 Cornell         7-12-3  17

Tiebreaker goes all the way to record against top 8, but Cornell winds up last.

Give My Regards
Aw for cryin' out loud... talk about waving a pork chop in front of a Doberman...

Well, here goes. The Big Red finishes first if they win out, Quinnipiac loses out, Harvard and Yale both lose at least two other times besides their games with Cornell, St Lawrence loses at least once, and Clarkson loses or ties at least once.

Final standings would be:

1  Cornell        13-6-3   29
2  St. Lawrence   13-7-2   28
3  RPI            11-5-6   28
4  Quinnipiac     12-6-4   28 
5  Clarkson       12-7-3   27
6  Yale           12-7-3   27
7  Dartmouth      13-9-0   26
8  Harvard        11-8-3   25
9  Union           6-11-5  17
10 Colgate         4-16-2  10
11 Princeton       4-16-2  10
12 Brown           3-16-3   9

Part 2:

Cornell finishes last if they lose all their remaining games, Brown wins out, Princeton wins all their games except the one against Brown, Union wins at least four games, and Clarkson wins or ties at least once.

Final standings would be:

1  Quinnipiac     16-2-4   36
2  Harvard        12-7-3   27
3  Yale           11-8-3   25
4  Dartmouth      12-10-0  24
5  St. Lawrence   10-10-2  22
6  RPI             8-8-6   22
7  Clarkson        8-11-3  19
8  Union           7-10-5  19
9  Colgate         8-12-2  18
10 Princeton       8-12-2  18
11 Brown           7-12-3  17
12 Cornell         7-12-3  17

Tiebreaker goes all the way to record against top 8, but Cornell winds up last.

You win, but I do like part 1 the best.

cornell winning out whether they get to the top is fine it likely puts them in the tourney

Sorry for the delay, folks. The last 5 months have been a bit busy for those of us in the LIGO Scientific Collaboration, so I haven't been able to keep up with my usual hockey geek activities. The stuff is up at

[www.elynah.com]
[www.elynah.com]

and it might even work...

jtwcornell91
Sorry for the delay, folks. The last 5 months have been a bit busy for those of us in the LIGO Scientific Collaboration, so I haven't been able to keep up with my usual hockey geek activities. The stuff is up at

[www.elynah.com]
[www.elynah.com]

and it might even work...

Yippee!

Thank you!!

dang we have showed no promosing signs in 2 months,

but a sweep this weekend with just Yale and Quin doig their job
and we tie Dart and RPI, and pass Clarkson for a 3 way tie for 5th going into the last weekend only 2 out of 4th.

this back to back clark/STl losses just being ties and we would be sitting ok..

jtwcornell91
Sorry for the delay, folks. The last 5 months have been a bit busy for those of us in the LIGO Scientific Collaboration, so I haven't been able to keep up with my usual hockey geek activities. The stuff is up at

[www.elynah.com]
[www.elynah.com]

and it might even work...

Um. You discovered gravity waves. I think we can trust you with the playoff script.

Congratufuckinglations by the way.

A sweep of our last 4 games coupled with every other game won by the team with the best Pct gets us here:

38 Qpc
31 Yal
28 SLU
27 Hvd
------
26 Cor
24 Drt
24 RPI
21 Clk
------
17 Uni
10 Cgt
10 Prn
08 Brn

Our best bet to steal the bye is for that plus Harvard to lose at Clarkson, which gives us this:

38 Qpc
31 Yal
28 SLU
26 Cor
------
25 Hvd
24 Drt
24 RPI
23 Clk
------
17 Uni
10 Cgt
10 Prn
08 Brn


See? Easy!

Note that each scenario sets up a QF against Harvard.

Trotsky
A sweep of our last 4 games...

This is why I love eLynah. It's full of people as ridiculously optimistic about Cornell hockey as I am.

We've won one game in our last ten, (a 1-0 win against the team currently in last place in the league), yet Trotsky can start a post with "A sweep of our last 4 games...", and I'm right there with him!

Trotsky

jtwcornell91
Sorry for the delay, folks. The last 5 months have been a bit busy for those of us in the LIGO Scientific Collaboration, so I haven't been able to keep up with my usual hockey geek activities. The stuff is up at

[www.elynah.com]
[www.elynah.com]

and it might even work...

Um. You discovered gravity waves. I think we can trust you with the playoff script.

Congratufuckinglations by the way.

Cool. But let's get to the important stuff: Is he also qualified to state whether or not an opposing goalie is a black hole or just sucks?

It seems like Dartmouth and Brown are well on their way to victories. QU trying to avoid a 2nd-straight loss but that game in Troy still has plenty of time left.

I expect there are a multitude of other ways for us to wind up in fourth with a first-round bye, but one way easily visible by looking at the standings and the games left to be played is:

1) We sweep
2) St Lawrence gets swept by Dartmouth and Harvard
3) Clarkson beats Dartmouth

The above would result in Cornell being in fourth as the only team with 25 points. We'd be a point ahead of Dartmouth, at least a point ahead of RPI (2 points ahead if they tied Colgate on Friday night, and 3 if they lost to Colgate) and 2 points ahead of St Lawrence.

andyw2100
I expect there are a multitude of other ways for us to wind up in fourth with a first-round bye, but one way easily visible by looking at the standings and the games left to be played is:

1) We sweep
2) St Lawrence gets swept by Dartmouth and Harvard
3) Clarkson beats Dartmouth

The above would result in Cornell being in fourth as the only team with 25 points. We'd be a point ahead of Dartmouth, at least a point ahead of RPI (2 points ahead if they tied Colgate on Friday night, and 3 if they lost to Colgate) and 2 points ahead of St Lawrence.

Given that we lose most ties with those around us, due to the change to greatest number of wins in the tiebreaking procedures, what you detail is one of the few ways we end up in 4th.

We need to score three more points than SLU to end up ahead of them, and I view that as pretty unlikely scenario, mostly because the North Country is strong at home. But, hey, stranger things have happened, and it's good to be in it.

the bigger thing now is will winning the next 4 at home put us in a spot we wont need to get to the final 4 to make the NCAA. thats about all we can control at this point.

upprdeck
the bigger thing now is will winning the next 4 at home put us in a spot we wont need to get to the final 4 to make the NCAA. that's about all we can control at this point.

We may not get much higher in PWR even if we sweep. A sweep next weekend doesn't guarantee a bye, but if we don't get a bye it would likely get us up to 5th, meaning our next two would be against Princeton or perhaps Colgate. No help comes from those two, even if wins.

The other thing is if we get knocked out in the QF that's two losses, again, because of the likely 5th place finish, against the 4 instead of say Q. That would be enough to knock us down to where the inevitable long shot conference winner somewhere would knock us out.

I don't see us getting to the NCAAs without making it to Lake Placid.

Trotsky

upprdeck
the bigger thing now is will winning the next 4 at home put us in a spot we wont need to get to the final 4 to make the NCAA. that's about all we can control at this point.

We may not get much higher in PWR even if we sweep. A sweep next weekend doesn't guarantee a bye, but if we don't get a bye it would likely get us up to 5th, meaning our next two would be against Princeton or perhaps Colgate. No help comes from those two, even if wins.

The other thing is if we get knocked out in the QF that's two losses, again, because of the likely 5th place finish, against the 4 instead of say Q. That would be enough to knock us down to where the inevitable long shot conference winner somewhere would knock us out.

I don't see us getting to the NCAAs without making it to Lake Placid.

A long shot conference winner isn't that much of a long shot. Minnesota and Penn State are right below us, and either one can pull an upset in a 6 team tourney.

the question would be if we won the next 4 and then split 1-2 would we stay up around 12 or is that loss in the quarters too much to overcome?

is the ecac doing the semi losers game so even getting to the final 4 could mean 2 more losses? but getting that far also could also mean we beat yale/quin

upprdeck
is the ecac doing the semi losers game so even getting to the final 4 could mean 2 more losses? but getting that far also could also mean we beat yale/quin

There is no consolation game, just the two semis and the championship.

It sure looks like Brown got screwed twice this year at RPI. Last night I don't fault the refs but if you look here at about the 1:50 mark there seems no way that this wasn't a goal.

HIghlights of Brown @ RPI

The regular season game featured the no camera view BS which allowed Brown to score in OT without winning the game.

Regular Season OT Brown @ RPI

All the games this weekend were decided by one goal except Colgate's win which was by two thanks to an empty net. Impressive efforts by 9-12!

another example of ecac crews not using the replays correctly. they have access to the tv replay so they should be using it. and why have a high replay if its zoomed out so far you cant actually see the inside of the goal? cameras are so cheap these days i dont understand why they dont have more angle to look at.

upprdeck
another example of ecac crews not using the replays correctly. they have access to the tv replay so they should be using it. and why have a high replay if its zoomed out so far you cant actually see the inside of the goal? cameras are so cheap these days i dont understand why they dont have more angle to look at.

In addition to the points you make, the "from above" angle --DID-- show the puck in the net if one looked very closely.

andyw2100

upprdeck
another example of ecac crews not using the replays correctly. they have access to the tv replay so they should be using it. and why have a high replay if its zoomed out so far you cant actually see the inside of the goal? cameras are so cheap these days i dont understand why they dont have more angle to look at.

In addition to the points you make, the "from above" angle --DID-- show the puck in the net if one looked very closely.

Maybe so, but there are other issues, too. The crew at RPI must look at LCD monitors in a space behind the scorer's table. There is no black hood to wear such as I have seen during the NCAA regionals. I think the screen view is mediocre at best but that is just an opinion made from across the rink. On top of the monitor issue there has to be a definitive view to overturn on ice rulings. A final fly in the ointment is whether the puck actually made it completely over the goal line on Friday.

As to views, I think the norm is to only use the overhead shots during league play on campus locations. I don't know what they can see to review in Lake Placid but I assume that all camera angles are available in the regionals and Frozen Four.