2016-17 Schedule

Here's the schedule.

As in past, let me know of any errors.

The full ECAC schedule, without travel partners is attached.

Cornell Schedule 2016-17

Sat 10/15 Red/White
Fri 10/21 Ex: University of Ontario Institute of Technology
Sat 10/22 Ex: Brock University
Fri 10/28 @ Merrimack College 
Fri 11/04 @ Dartmouth
Sat 11/05 @ Harvard
Fri 11/11 @ Brown
Sat 11/12 @ Yale
Fri 11/18 Quinnipiac
Sat 11/19 Princeton
Sat 11/26 UHN @ MSG 8PM
Tue 11/29 @ Colgate
Fri 12/02 Miami
Sat 12/03 Miami

   Florida College Hockey Tournament
          
Wed 12/28 N. Michigan-CU 4:05PM
          Merrimack-Colorado College 7:35PM
Thu 12/29 Consy 4:05PM & Championship 7:35PM

Sat  1/07 @ Merrimack
Fri  1/13 @ Princeton
Sat  1/14 @ Quinnipiac
Fri  1/20 Clarkson
Sat  1/21 St. Lawrence
Fri  1/27 Harvard
Sat  1/28 Dartmouth
Fri  2/03 @ Union
Sat  2/04 @ RPI
Tue  2/07 Colgate
Fri  2/10 Yale
Sat  2/11 Brown
Fri  2/17 @ St. Lawrence
Sat  2/18 @ Clarkson
Fri  2/24 RPI
Sat  2/25 Union

Fri  3/03-Sun 3/05 ECAC Prelims
Fri  3/10-Sun 3/12 ECAC Quarters
Fri  3/17 ECAC Semis @ LP
Sat  3/18 ECAC Finals @ LP

Fri  3/24-Sat 3/25 NCAA Regionals  @ Providence, @ Cincinnati
Sat  3/25-Sun 3/26 NCAA Regionals  @ Manchester, @ Fargo

Thu  4/06 NCAA Semis  @ Chicago
Sat  4/08 NCAA Finals  @ Chicago

Cornell at Merrimack next year, tentatively Jan 6-7.

Florida tourney is: CU, Colorado College, Merrimack and Northern Mich. Merrimack and CU have requested that they not play each other in the first round, since they'll play the following weekend.

[www.themackreport.com]

pfibiger
Cornell at Merrimack next year, tentatively Jan 6-7.

Florida tourney is: CU, Colorado College, Merrimack and Northern Mich. Merrimack and CU have requested that they not play each other in the first round, since they'll play the following weekend.

[www.themackreport.com]

Thanks, added. The Florida Tourney isn't as thrilling as some years.

pfibiger
Cornell at Merrimack next year, tentatively Jan 6-7.

Florida tourney is: CU, Colorado College, Merrimack and Northern Mich. Merrimack and CU have requested that they not play each other in the first round, since they'll play the following weekend.

[www.themackreport.com]

"It will be the first time the Merrimack program has played a game in the state of Florida." I guess that Merrimack is conceding that they won't make the Frozen 4 this year. That's probably correct.

Jim Hyla

pfibiger
Cornell at Merrimack next year, tentatively Jan 6-7.

Florida tourney is: CU, Colorado College, Merrimack and Northern Mich. Merrimack and CU have requested that they not play each other in the first round, since they'll play the following weekend.

[www.themackreport.com]

Thanks, added. The Florida Tourney isn't as thrilling as some years.

Indeed. That's a pretty uninspiring field, particularly considering how bad CC has been of late.

Scersk '97

Jim Hyla

pfibiger
Cornell at Merrimack next year, tentatively Jan 6-7.

Florida tourney is: CU, Colorado College, Merrimack and Northern Mich. Merrimack and CU have requested that they not play each other in the first round, since they'll play the following weekend.

[www.themackreport.com]

Thanks, added. The Florida Tourney isn't as thrilling as some years.

Indeed. That's a pretty uninspiring field, particularly considering how bad CC has been of late.

FWIW, they have gone 5-4 since their 0-13 start.

ursusminor

Scersk '97

Jim Hyla

pfibiger
Cornell at Merrimack next year, tentatively Jan 6-7.

Florida tourney is: CU, Colorado College, Merrimack and Northern Mich. Merrimack and CU have requested that they not play each other in the first round, since they'll play the following weekend.

[www.themackreport.com]

Thanks, added. The Florida Tourney isn't as thrilling as some years.

Indeed. That's a pretty uninspiring field, particularly considering how bad CC has been of late.

FWIW, they have gone 5-4 since their 0-13 start.

Beat St. Cloud the other night.

I wouldn't mind some games at Alfond since quite a few other teams in the league have been going up there recently.

Iceberg
I wouldn't mind some games at Alfond since quite a few other teams in the league have been going up there recently.

Not sure Maine will go for Mike's home and home requirement.

Colgate's schedule has been posted on their thread on USCHO.

Tue., Nov. 29....vs. Cornell
Tue., Feb 7........@ Cornell

any rumors for the MSG game next year?

underskill
any rumors for the MSG game next year?

I consider this a rumor, since I have no idea who this blog is run by, or their credentials/credibility:

Taking out the trash a day early (more important things tomorrow): New Hampshire is all but certainly Cornell's Frozen Apple 2016 opponent.

— WAFT Blog (@CornellWAFT) March 10, 2016

Thanks, I'll put them all in as tentative.

7 of the first 9 ECAC games on the road? Yikes.

12/3 and 12/3, home vs. Miami [board.uscho.com]

ursusminor
12/3 and 12/3, home vs. Miami [board.uscho.com]

A rare doubleheader!

ursusminor
12/3 and 12/3, home vs. Miami [board.uscho.com]

12/2 & 12/3 Thanks

ugarte

ursusminor
12/3 and 12/3, home vs. Miami [board.uscho.com]

A rare doubleheader!

Oops!

I wonder how Q will fare without an Anas??

Why is the home Harvard game the same weekend (last weekend of Winter Break) every year now? Many students won't even be back that Friday.

BearLover
Why is the home Harvard game the same weekend (last weekend of Winter Break) every year now? Many students won't even be back that Friday.

Why does Winter Break even exist, moving Spring Break to a non-sensical time?

"What a difference in this generation!"

RichH

underskill
any rumors for the MSG game next year?

I consider this a rumor, since I have no idea who this blog is run by, or their credentials/credibility:

Taking out the trash a day early (more important things tomorrow): New Hampshire is all but certainly Cornell's Frozen Apple 2016 opponent.

— WAFT Blog (@CornellWAFT) March 10, 2016

And he's right.

Jim Hyla

RichH

underskill
any rumors for the MSG game next year?

I consider this a rumor, since I have no idea who this blog is run by, or their credentials/credibility:

Taking out the trash a day early (more important things tomorrow): New Hampshire is all but certainly Cornell's Frozen Apple 2016 opponent.

— WAFT Blog (@CornellWAFT) March 10, 2016

And he's right.

"Pre-sale" started this morning at 10am with no warning, incidentally. You need a Cornell NetID of some kind - student, faculty, alumni, staff - to sign in. Regular sale starts Monday.

[cornellbigredtickets.universitytickets.com]

Beeeej

Jim Hyla

RichH

underskill
any rumors for the MSG game next year?

I consider this a rumor, since I have no idea who this blog is run by, or their credentials/credibility:

Taking out the trash a day early (more important things tomorrow): New Hampshire is all but certainly Cornell's Frozen Apple 2016 opponent.

— WAFT Blog (@CornellWAFT) March 10, 2016

And he's right.

"Pre-sale" started this morning at 10am with no warning, incidentally. You need a Cornell NetID of some kind - student, faculty, alumni, staff - to sign in. Regular sale starts Monday.

[cornellbigredtickets.universitytickets.com]

Well, MSG has officially jumped the shark

Merrimack released their schedule today (7/6). It only shows them hosting one game against Cornell on Saturday, Jan 7.

[www.merrimackathletics.com]
[www.merrimackathletics.com]

Actually that's not exactly the case. Cornell will also visit Merrimack on Friday Oct 28th for a single game alone with returning on Jan 7th for another single game. Very strange.

wakester2468
Actually that's not exactly the case. Cornell will also visit Merrimack on Friday Oct 28th for a single game alone with returning on Jan 7th for another single game. Very strange.

Good catch. I wasn't looking for the date in Oct so I only saw the one game in January.

Maybe the coaches wanted to spread the games out a bit so the two teams didn't face each other three times within 10 days or so.

Unusual (unfortunate for diversity of schedule) that Cornell both plays Merrimack twice and has the potential of playing them in the Florida tournament. Gives Cornell a game there before the games the next weekend at Dartmouth and Harvard.

Official schedule posted, except for Florida opponents.

In conference play, 5 of last 7 and 9 of last 13 at home.

Trotsky
In conference play, 5 of last 7 and 9 of last 13 at home.

Yeah, tough schedule in the first half from that standpoint. First five RS games and three weekends on the road. But the make it through that OK and the home stretch is a lot better.

I could see that first exhibition game being a little rough on the fans if they aren't prepared for it:

"Screw BU! University of Ontario Institute of Technology too!"

KeithK

wakester2468
Actually that's not exactly the case. Cornell will also visit Merrimack on Friday Oct 28th for a single game alone with returning on Jan 7th for another single game. Very strange.

Good catch. I wasn't looking for the date in Oct so I only saw the one game in January.

Maybe the coaches wanted to spread the games out a bit so the two teams didn't face each other three times within 10 days or so.

I suspect, if possible, he didn't want to start with 2 games on the road, against a team that had already played 6 real games. How I wish the Ivies would change.

As an aside, I posted everything known on the first post of this thread. Let me know if there are any typos.

What's the difference between this thread and the "2016-2017 Schedule" thread? Can we merge them somehow?

billhoward
Unusual (unfortunate for diversity of schedule) that Cornell both plays Merrimack twice and has the potential of playing them in the Florida tournament. Gives Cornell a game there before the games the next weekend at Dartmouth and Harvard.

Even more disconcerting, we will only have one non-exhibition game before entering Ivy/ECAC play. I'd much prefer to have us playing a game on Oct. 28 or 30, no matter what the issues are with Merrimack. Also, given the economics, it seems awfully extravagant to pay for two separate trips to eastern Massachusetts for only one game.

I know the Ivy League limits the number of out-of-conference games, but especially for the earlier game it makes more sense to play UMass Lowell, PC, or one of the other nearby schools while we're in the neighborhood.

Cornell signed a contract that they would play Merrimack twice after Merrimack played twice in Ithaca last year. With a 29 game limit and having Miami in Ithaca in December there was no option
to pick up another game in New England in October. With the Florida trip and MSG annual game, there is just nothing that could be done. Breaking a contract with Merrimack would be wrong in many ways and future opponents coming to Ithaca would have second thought

The real source of the problem is the Ivy League. It is understandable not to start football until the 3rd Saturday in Sept for freshman students welfare and the fact Ivy's don't participate in playoffs. The hockey programs in the Ivy League are very much penalized even in their own league nevermind nationally by this ridiculous game limit. This really needs to be changed. A compromise of 32 games seems reasonable. All other schools nationally play either 35 or 36.

It seems later than usual for the official schedule to be published. From what I've seen to this
point, there seems to be a hole in the schedule for the last weekend in October. Anyone know if the final schedule
is done?

Coach Schafer's last email update said he would be in Buffalo for the US Select 17 camp for a while and would probably be sending out schedules this week.

Ask and you shall receive. It seemed odd that CU had no game the weekend after the exhibition games.
Now even stranger is the solution. Cornell owes Merrimack two games in Andover which traditionally would be on a friday and saturday which was the original plan for early January. Merrimack just released their schedule and Cornell will actually be traveling to Merrimack on the last weekend of October for one game and then again on the first weekend in January for another single game. Very odd indeed.
Can't ever remember this ever happening before.

wakester2468
The real source of the problem is the Ivy League. It is understandable not to start football until the 3rd Saturday in Sept for freshman students welfare and the fact Ivy's don't participate in playoffs. The hockey programs in the Ivy League are very much penalized even in their own league nevermind nationally by this ridiculous game limit. This really needs to be changed. A compromise of 32 games seems reasonable. All other schools nationally play either 35 or 36.

We've been talking about this for, literally, decades. 29 is after all progress. After the Great Divorce the limit was 25 for a long time.

I value the academic emphasis of the Ivies, but I do think the game limit is somewhat disingenuous since the team still does full practices and weight room. I feel they could go to 32 on a three-year trial.

Trotsky
I feel they could go to 32 on a three-year trial.

What would be the metric for deciding whether the trial was successful? Average GPA of players? Whether the teams/coaches/players like it? (Of course they will) Seems to me that you either make the change on principle (or ratr realizing that 32 and an earlier start date don't go gainst our principles) or you don't.

KeithK

Trotsky
I feel they could go to 32 on a three-year trial.

What would be the metric for deciding whether the trial was successful? Average GPA of players? Whether the teams/coaches/players like it? (Of course they will) Seems to me that you either make the change on principle (or ratr realizing that 32 and an earlier start date don't go gainst our principles) or you don't.

Qualitative. See if the players have felt overwhelmed, adjust accordingly. The principle is we put academics first. The schedule length plays into that, but any given number* of games is not a matter of principle, it's a pragmatic balancing act.

* After all, if it were principle, the optimal number of games would be zero.

wakester2468
Cornell signed a contract that they would play Merrimack twice after Merrimack played twice in Ithaca last year. With a 29 game limit and having Miami in Ithaca in December there was no option
to pick up another game in New England in October. With the Florida trip and MSG annual game, there is just nothing that could be done. Breaking a contract with Merrimack would be wrong in many ways and future opponents coming to Ithaca would have second thought

First, this doesn't explain why Cornell could not play Merrimack on both October 28 & 29, 2016. The previous weekend Merrimack plays Colgate twice. Evidently, Merrimack's mid-week game against BC on Oct. 25 is the reason we are not playing Merrimack on October 28.

But regarding the Ivy League, aside from principle out of context, one might make reasonable assumptions about likely contexts. During the regular season each year Cornell, and I assume the other Ivies, wants to play 4 out-of-conference, on-campus games, MSG, and the Florida tournament. Let's assume the Ivies approve, consistent with principle, of teams playing 2 games in a holiday tournament plus one "special venue" game per year. This leaves the 4 out-of-conference games. Furthermore, assume the later all require home-and-home series over two years. Finally, assume that Ivy teams try to get uncommon, high-quality out-of-conference opponents, which implies a higher likelihood of more distant teams. In turn, because of travel costs this increases the likelihood of two-game series rather than individual games. So we can assume Ivy teams are highly likely to schedule two sets of double games per season with reciprocal travel over two years. But because the opponents belong to other leagues, there's the possibility that league schedules might preempt back-to-back games. In short, while not the most likely scenario, outcomes like what's happening this year with Merrimack are a distinct possibility.

So now the Ivy League has to ask the question: Which is more in keeping with league principles, allowing more scheduling flexibility or making student-athletes take one extra, unnecessary, distant trip to play two separate games just in order to fulfill scheduling obligations? (The latter also has the additional implication that Ivy teams, already disadvantaged by playing opponents with more games under their belts, may have another disadvantage due to unnecessary travel requirements as an artifact of league rules.) The answer seems obvious, and there are several ways the Ivy League could add the additional flexibility. One is to allow more games, which would open more dates. Another would be to allow an earlier start. A third would be to allow either of the first two options, but only once every so many (two, three, four?) years. A fourth would be to make exceptions, along the lines of options 1 and 2, when teams can demonstrate they are caught in such a scheduling bind through no fault of their own, as seems to be the case with Cornell-Merrimack this year.

Just in case anyone is depending on my schedule listing, I just noticed that I had the first @ Merrimack game listed incorrectly. It's Fri 10/28 not Sat 10/29. The second one is correct Sat 1/7.

Also, 10/21-22 are Friday and Saturday, respectively, not Saturday and Sunday.

Beeeej
Also, 10/21-22 are Friday and Saturday, respectively, not Saturday and Sunday.

Thanks, I can't figure out why I did that.

The Cornell website and that of Northern Michigan both show Cornell-Northern Michigan as the early game on Dec. 28.

While this season thus far is a pleasant surprise, it's always fun to look to the future to speculate who will be on the schedule next year.
My guess is BU will return to the Garden but the two year cycle with Merrimack and Miami is completed.
Would love to see Cornell play Penn State which would make a lot of sense for both schools. Frankly, Cornell did the Nittany Lions a favor two years
go in their infancy bringing them to MSG which unquestionably was a great recruiting tool for them. Look who is #1 nationally now.
A visit to New England makes a lot of sense too with such a strong fan base in that area. Maybe BC, UNH or Lowell.
Then there is Florida which I'd like to see ended. The gloss is off that tourney and getting top teams there is getting harder along with the fact CU
historically does more damage to there ranking than not each year, an example being CC this year. Would love to see us host a tourney over the holidays
like years ago. Might help bring locals and kids back to Lynah during break.
Wondering if anyone at this early date has heard any rumblings about future opponents.

I'd love to see us play Penn State at the Linc in Philly. Or maybe do a home and home - the two schools aren't very far apart.

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'd love to see us play Penn State at the Linc in Philly. Or maybe do a home and home - the two schools aren't very far apart.

Or just at the Wells Fargo Center ... Quick trip from the NYC metro area and not too far from Ithaca itself. Lot of PSU alums and fans in Philly, bet there'd be a great crowd.

PSU plays Princeton at Wells Fargo in about a week, so we'll see what kind of crowd they draw (though I'd imagine that Cornell would do more of its part than Princeton will). It would be crucial to have the game played after the college football season, though.

CU2007

Jeff Hopkins '82
I'd love to see us play Penn State at the Linc in Philly. Or maybe do a home and home - the two schools aren't very far apart.

Or just at the Wells Fargo Center ... Quick trip from the NYC metro area and not too far from Ithaca itself. Lot of PSU alums and fans in Philly, bet there'd be a great crowd.

Oops...that's what I meant. I wasn't asking for an outdoor game. Those have been done to death.

wakester2468
While this season thus far is a pleasant surprise, it's always fun to look to the future to speculate who will be on the schedule next year.
My guess is BU will return to the Garden but the two year cycle with Merrimack and Miami is completed.

We have not done the return visit to Miami, so I suspect there'd be a two game series there next season.

jkahn

wakester2468
While this season thus far is a pleasant surprise, it's always fun to look to the future to speculate who will be on the schedule next year.
My guess is BU will return to the Garden but the two year cycle with Merrimack and Miami is completed.

We have not done the return visit to Miami, so I suspect there'd be a two game series there next season.

500 mi due west of my home, essentially an interstate straight shot. Hmm...

Not sure why I thought the Miami matchup had gone two years but you are correct which means we are most likely obligated to visit Miami next season. To balance
of the schedule that means we will likely start another two year home and home series with a new opponent with the first year being at Lynah. I hope it is a Hockey East
team not an Atlantic hockey League team which does us no good in Pairwise rankings. I've come to realize going 1 - 1 in a series against a top opponent is much better than 2 - 0 against a weaker one

wakester2468
Not sure why I thought the Miami matchup had gone two years but you are correct which means we are most likely obligated to visit Miami next season. To balance
of the schedule that means we will likely start another two year home and home series with a new opponent with the first year being at Lynah. I hope it is a Hockey East
team not an Atlantic hockey League team which does us no good in Pairwise rankings. I've come to realize going 1 - 1 in a series against a top opponent is much better than 2 - 0 against a weaker one

Not sure that's so. If you play and beat an AHA team which loses all of their OOC games, but wins most of their in-conference games, their overall record will still be fairly high, which numerically will help your RPI.

Just noticed that the Feb. 3 game at Union has been pushed back to 8:30 p.m. (Maybe for TV? The Union site lists the game as an American Sports Network broadcast.)

Weder
Just noticed that the Feb. 3 game at Union has been pushed back to 8:30 p.m. (Maybe for TV? The Union site lists the game as an American Sports Network broadcast.)

Thanks for the heads up. Since I drive home after the game, it'll make for a late night.

Weder
Just noticed that the Feb. 3 game at Union has been pushed back to 8:30 p.m. (Maybe for TV? The Union site lists the game as an American Sports Network broadcast.)

Game got picked up by TSN2 - Canadian version of ESPN2 - Maybe useful exposure to recruits?