at Brown 2/27

Just win, baby.

Next, on "Hot Tub Time Machine 3"...

I'm weirdly... I don't want to say uninvested in this weekend, but maybe close to it?

Sure, a higher seed would be very nice, and we have an opportunity to really move up if the right things shake out (and as has been pointed out, those right things are, generally, the more likely outcomes based on each team's, say, KRACH or whatever).

But it's really a weekend where winning would make me feel better about the playoffs, rather than actually make a direct difference. Anyone else feeling the same way?

And, you know, Let's Go Red. In case my indifference seems unsupportive.

Although I know that feeling, this time I don't share it. The playoffs are important, but these games are important stand-alone. The 4-game winning streak in late November was a great high and I want the team to experience that again. Partly that's because it's a good launching into the post-season but particularly in a season which may end suddenly and disappointingly, each weekend is a chance to sweep and briefly feel like kings of the world.

Beeeej
Next, on "Hot Tub Time Machine 3"...

Yeah, yeah, smart guy. Fixed.

Unlike some other teams, Meehan is actually not an unfavorable place for Cornell to be playing. Brown is on their usual late-season run, though; so I expect them to come out hard.


Edit: Meep. Forgot to mention that those of us watching video will get the Brown crew today (and the student crew tomorrow). >_>

Iceberg
Meehan is actually not an unfavorable place for Cornell to be playing

The only place better for Schafer's teams has been Lynah East.

wtf

cornell gave up the quick goal again to dig an early hole.. brown generated 4-5 good chances in the first but actually had the puck very little, cornell had large possessions but created no shots.. in the 2nd cornell had multiple cycles , not a ton of greate chances got on goal but brown did almost nothing and cornell got 2 late and had a couple more chances.

not over yet.

after the tieing goal cornell does everything but score. 4-5 high quality chances, pucks just missing goal head saves, missed open nets.

upprdeck
after the tieing goal cornell does everything but score. 4-5 high quality chances, pucks just missing goal head saves, missed open nets.

The story of our season.

This reffing is about as favorable as what Brown got in their last game.

what do i not see on the replay to waive that goal off.? hilbreth has control of the puck. gets checked onto the crease? he didnt create the goalie contact

and that comes after the blatant non call of the stewart hit at the end of the game. or trhe diaz tackle on the late penalty kill.

I was concerned when the goal was scored that there was a chance it would be waived off based on the traffic in the crease. I sure would like to see a replay of that one.

It's been said before, but those Brown announcers, what a clown show. When Fiegl got the hooking penalty, I'm yelling at him on my screen "put down your stick!" -- I wasn't at all surprised that he was called for the penalty. Both announcers said they were watching the puck and didn't see the penalty, which is bizarre considering Fiegl was hooking the guy with the puck.

Anyway, a wierd feeling after this tie. Ordinarily you're thrilled to come back from 3-0 on the road, but given how much we dominated the last two periods, and given how many chances we had (Bardreau and Ryan especially), it doesn't feel so good.

i wonder if cornell pushes for the replay to go to the league ands for explanation. being a game ending play it could be overturned on review. but i highly doubt it.

replays are supposed to be clear and decisive to be changed. the fact it took 4 min and 4 guys talked it over shows they were 100% positive all the call. did the overhead show something different than the game angle

I'd like to see the replay of Coach after the goal was disallowed!!

The replays should really be going to the league anyway. It really shouldn't be much of a problem for the ECAC to do that considering all the troubles on-ice officials seem to have actually being consistent with video review.

all replays have to go to the league for review. you have to send the clips and the refs are supposed to explain the call. did anyone see something that didnt look like the cornell played got backchecked into the crease/goalie? he ended up off his feet.

this is why i dont understand not have a live feed going to a central office like the nhl has. its only a few games twice a week. removed the bad refsfrom the equation..

with no review at all we would be 3-5 pts better, with consistent review we get back 2-3 games as well

So here it is.video: [youtu.be]

Jim Hyla
So here it is.video: [youtu.be]

Holy shit. Granted, I'm not the most up on the rules, but that's a goal.

A) The only contact occurred because the cornell player was pushed into the goalie.
B) The contact wasn't occurring anymore when the puck went in.

Jim Hyla
So here it is.video: [youtu.be]

Wow ... sort of stunned that the call on the ice did not stand

Dafatone

Jim Hyla
So here it is.video: [youtu.be]

Holy shit. Granted, I'm not the most up on the rules, but that's a goal.

A) The only contact occurred because the cornell player was pushed into the goalie.
B) The contact wasn't occurring anymore when the puck went in.

And initially he went into the crease with the puck.

upprdeck
i wonder if cornell pushes for the replay to go to the league ands for explanation. being a game ending play it could be overturned on review. but i highly doubt it.

replays are supposed to be clear and decisive to be changed. the fact it took 4 min and 4 guys talked it over shows they were 100% positive all the call. did the overhead show something different than the game angle

Is there any precedent for that sort of thing happening?

That call was astoundingly bad.

Dafatone

Jim Hyla
So here it is.video: [youtu.be]

Holy shit. Granted, I'm not the most up on the rules, but that's a goal.

A) The only contact occurred because the cornell player was pushed into the goalie.
B) The contact wasn't occurring anymore when the puck went in.

Ernst is trying to play the puck on Bardreau's shot without being interfered with. And Hilbrich is even trying his darnedest to get out of the crease with the Brown player who checked him in there draped all over him.

That's a bullshit call.

Scersk '97

Dafatone

Jim Hyla
So here it is.video: [youtu.be]

Holy shit. Granted, I'm not the most up on the rules, but that's a goal.

A) The only contact occurred because the cornell player was pushed into the goalie.
B) The contact wasn't occurring anymore when the puck went in.

Ernst is trying to play the puck on Bardreau's shot without being interfered with. And Hilbrich is even trying his darnedest to get out of the crease with the Brown player who checked him in there draped all over him.

That's a bullshit call.

I'm struggling to think of a worse call I've seen in a Cornell game. Really.

fuck this shit honestly

BearLover
fuck this shit honestly

Well put.

Just watched the video cold before reading any of the comments. I have NO idea why the goal was disallowed!

Looked like a good goal to me. Thanks for the video JH.

If it's any kinda-sorta-consolation, one of the contingencies for us to control our destiny for that 4th seed in tomorrow's game was that Colgate and Yale not tie.

They tied.

If that's GTI, I'm Elmer Fudd!?

Unbelievable! And I was at Quinnipiac earlier this season when Schafer wanted a review on their game-winning goal late in the third period of a 1-0 game, and the refs refused to review it. Now this goal gets reviewed and gets overturned. It's ridiculous.

From another excellent recap, I assume from Brandon Thomas, this interesting fact:

Cornell hasn't rallied from three down to win in at least 15 years.

The recap can be found on CornellBigRed.com or the ECAC site.

I need to again thank Brandon for his writing. He was excellent at the IJ and it's carried over to Cornell. He always has a report on Cornell games, even though other schools skip it. Brown has nothing on the ECAC site. Thanks Brandon and keep up the good work.

Edit: I take back about Brown not having a recap. I now see a link to it on the Cornell recap page. Why the ECAC doesn't put the link on the home page is beyond me, they used to do that.

Larry72
Just watched the video cold before reading any of the comments. I have NO idea why the goal was disallowed!

Is it possible the referees saw an overhead view and concluded the Brown contact with Cornell wasn't why Cornell collided with the goaltender? Not saying I believe this, but that might explain the referee's action.

Watching this is start=stop-slow motion, it looked as if it was the fourth stab at the puck that got Cornell the goal. That was good effort by Cornell.

once you have contact its hard to rule anything after that and you can see him try to avoid and go down under the contact.

also hard to undertand how the early replay of the contact on stewart is not called.

If you watch closely, Hilbrich ends up standing on Ernst's stick, which the goalie lost on the initial poke check. Ernst, rather than play the puck, spent much of the flurry grabbing for his stick.

Not Hilbrich's fault where he's standing, since Tegtmeyer is draped all over him, and also not Hilbrich's fault that the goalie is too attached to his stick to realize that he should play the puck. I still can't get over what a horrible, horrible call that was.

really wish they would post the reasoning behind the reviews and the changes.. did the announce it at the rink? i assume goalie interference was the call not just being in the crease.

too bad we play a sport with no real press to question decisions and a league that doesnt bother to explain calls.

I've been listening to Colgate-Brown and the announcers mentioned that Brown was lucky to get the call that they did. Last night they immediately called it as goalie intereference, but they must have changed their mind after watching the replay.

Jim Hyla
I've been listening to Colgate-Brown and the announcers mentioned that Brown was lucky to get the call that they did. Last night they immediately called it as goalie intereference, but they must have changed their mind after watching the replay.

And they gave Schafer all kinds of crap for protesting the call

scoop85

Jim Hyla
I've been listening to Colgate-Brown and the announcers mentioned that Brown was lucky to get the call that they did. Last night they immediately called it as goalie intereference, but they must have changed their mind after watching the replay.

And they gave Schafer all kinds of crap for protesting the call

I think they gave him crap for throwing papers at the ref. I'd give him crap for that as well.

Jim Hyla
I've been listening to Colgate-Brown and the announcers mentioned that Brown was lucky to get the call that they did. Last night they immediately called it as goalie intereference, but they must have changed their mind after watching the replay.

They did. They said after reviewing at least one other angle that Hilbrich had been forced into the crease by Tegtmeyer. They were very surprised when the goal was waved off.

I actually thought that in general the Brown announcers were extremely fair throughout the game, and quite complimentary of Cornell. They were critical of Mike for exploding, sure, but that's to be expected. If anything I thought they were VERY harsh on Brown, at several points saying it was only a matter of time until Cornell won, and saying at the wrap-up that Brown stole a point from us and we deserved the win.

hearing coach say that they ruled there was no contact is hard to fathom?

sounds like even the first goal shoudltn have counted after review. even though the ecac repots says it was tipped that doesnt matter if the initial contact of the puck is a kick.. no differen than a handpass cant go in.

upprdeck
sounds like even the first goal shoudltn have counted after review. even though the ecac repots says it was tipped that doesnt matter if the initial contact of the puck is a kick.. no differen than a handpass cant go in.

I think this is wrong. A hand-pass is illegal but I don't think a kick-pass is.

ugarte
I think this is wrong. A hand-pass is illegal but I don't think a kick-pass is.

Dunno the college rule specifically, but in the pros, a goal can be scored if the puck deflects off a skate on the way in or is skillfully deflected (no differently than if it were off a stick).

Kick passes are legal everywhere. But you can't kick it into the goal - that would not count. You'd have to kick pass it to someone who then shot it in.

you can kick to pass, but if the kicking motion puck gets deflected in it can be disallowed depending on how its deflected.