Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by ajh258
Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ajh258 (208.85.161.---)
Date: February 24, 2020 03:52PM
This came out a while ago and was mainly about football and basketball, but I think it could have major implications for hockey recruiting as well.
If student athletes are allowed to profit from their image, could that tip the scale more in favor of Cornell?
I thought a big issue historically was Ivy League did not give athletics scholarships, so even the smart kids went to BU/Minnesota/Penn State because they could attend for free.
Would this help us get more quality players down the road? We definitely have a fan base that could financially support this if we can pack MSG every year.
NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
If student athletes are allowed to profit from their image, could that tip the scale more in favor of Cornell?
I thought a big issue historically was Ivy League did not give athletics scholarships, so even the smart kids went to BU/Minnesota/Penn State because they could attend for free.
Would this help us get more quality players down the road? We definitely have a fan base that could financially support this if we can pack MSG every year.
NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2020 03:54PM by ajh258.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: February 24, 2020 04:15PM
ajh258
This came out a while ago and was mainly about football and basketball, but I think it could have major implications for hockey recruiting as well.
If student athletes are allowed to profit from their image, could that tip the scale more in favor of Cornell?
I thought a big issue historically was Ivy League did not give athletics scholarships, so even the smart kids went to BU/Minnesota/Penn State because they could attend for free.
Would this help us get more quality players down the road? We definitely have a fan base that could financially support this if we can pack MSG every year.
NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
I think an athlete in the Boston or Minneapolis area would have a better chance to make money from their likeness or from endorsements than one in Ithaca.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 24, 2020 04:34PM
ajh258
This came out a while ago and was mainly about football and basketball, but I think it could have major implications for hockey recruiting as well.
If student athletes are allowed to profit from their image, could that tip the scale more in favor of Cornell?
I thought a big issue historically was Ivy League did not give athletics scholarships, so even the smart kids went to BU/Minnesota/Penn State because they could attend for free.
Would this help us get more quality players down the road? We definitely have a fan base that could financially support this if we can pack MSG every year.
NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
The New York Times had an article this weekend about how the high cost of hockey is driving Canadian kids away from it. (Sorry, I'm too lazy to find the link.) Also over the weekend, I noticed that out of 29 players we have 21 from Canada (plus one from Russia and one from China). By comparison, Brown has only 7 from Canada (plus one each from Finland and Norway). And Toothpaste has 15/29 (with 1 from Switzerland).
Now I'm not entirely convinced the Times story is 100% true, and if true, I don't know what the impacts on recruiting for U.S. college hockey would be.
And the same cost factors are probably driving U.S. youth players, so I'm not sure what, if any, implications the trend in Canada might have. But it's hard to imagine these cost-push effects having no impact on college hockey. What do you think they are?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2020 04:35PM by Swampy.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: February 24, 2020 04:45PM
Swampy
ajh258
This came out a while ago and was mainly about football and basketball, but I think it could have major implications for hockey recruiting as well.
If student athletes are allowed to profit from their image, could that tip the scale more in favor of Cornell?
I thought a big issue historically was Ivy League did not give athletics scholarships, so even the smart kids went to BU/Minnesota/Penn State because they could attend for free.
Would this help us get more quality players down the road? We definitely have a fan base that could financially support this if we can pack MSG every year.
NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
The New York Times had an article this weekend about how the high cost of hockey is driving Canadian kids away from it. (Sorry, I'm too lazy to find the link.) Also over the weekend, I noticed that out of 29 players we have 21 from Canada (plus one from Russia and one from China). By comparison, Brown has only 7 from Canada (plus one each from Finland and Norway). And Toothpaste has 15/29 (with 1 from Switzerland).
Now I'm not entirely convinced the Times story is 100% true, and if true, I don't know what the impacts on recruiting for U.S. college hockey would be.
And the same cost factors are probably driving U.S. youth players, so I'm not sure what, if any, implications the trend in Canada might have. But it's hard to imagine these cost-push effects having no impact on college hockey. What do you think they are?
I'm assuming this means Swampy isn't getting in line to buy a limited edition Morgan Barron signature toque.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: February 24, 2020 05:17PM
marty
Swampy
ajh258
This came out a while ago and was mainly about football and basketball, but I think it could have major implications for hockey recruiting as well.
If student athletes are allowed to profit from their image, could that tip the scale more in favor of Cornell?
I thought a big issue historically was Ivy League did not give athletics scholarships, so even the smart kids went to BU/Minnesota/Penn State because they could attend for free.
Would this help us get more quality players down the road? We definitely have a fan base that could financially support this if we can pack MSG every year.
NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
The New York Times had an article this weekend about how the high cost of hockey is driving Canadian kids away from it. (Sorry, I'm too lazy to find the link.) Also over the weekend, I noticed that out of 29 players we have 21 from Canada (plus one from Russia and one from China). By comparison, Brown has only 7 from Canada (plus one each from Finland and Norway). And Toothpaste has 15/29 (with 1 from Switzerland).
Now I'm not entirely convinced the Times story is 100% true, and if true, I don't know what the impacts on recruiting for U.S. college hockey would be.
And the same cost factors are probably driving U.S. youth players, so I'm not sure what, if any, implications the trend in Canada might have. But it's hard to imagine these cost-push effects having no impact on college hockey. What do you think they are?
I'm assuming this means Swampy isn't getting in line to buy a limited edition Morgan Barron signature toque.
What would I do with another one?
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ajh258 (208.85.161.---)
Date: February 24, 2020 05:43PM
Jeff Hopkins '82
ajh258
This came out a while ago and was mainly about football and basketball, but I think it could have major implications for hockey recruiting as well.
If student athletes are allowed to profit from their image, could that tip the scale more in favor of Cornell?
I thought a big issue historically was Ivy League did not give athletics scholarships, so even the smart kids went to BU/Minnesota/Penn State because they could attend for free.
Would this help us get more quality players down the road? We definitely have a fan base that could financially support this if we can pack MSG every year.
NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
I think an athlete in the Boston or Minneapolis area would have a better chance to make money from their likeness or from endorsements than one in Ithaca.
I beg to differ. Cornell has more engaged and more wealthy fans across the Northeast vs BU hockey is not even top 5 sports in Boston.
Plus, once you get better players than before, you create a virtuous cycle: more success = more fans = more money.
Those who lose out are smaller schools with niche alumni base and lack of branding (think most ECAC and Hockey East peers). They used to be able to get around it by giving scholarships, but that advantage is being eroded away.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2020 05:45PM by ajh258.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ajh258 (208.85.161.---)
Date: February 24, 2020 06:08PM
All the team has to do is take the revenue they make from merchandise and attribute it to players' likeness. That money used to go to the team and cannot be directly used to subsidize tuition and school costs due to Ivy League rules while the other schools have been doing it for years.
$50k tuition x 30 players = $1.5m to completely cover athletes' cost of attendance.
$1.5m can easily be raised between MSG, Harvard games, and various events given the popularity.
$50k tuition x 30 players = $1.5m to completely cover athletes' cost of attendance.
$1.5m can easily be raised between MSG, Harvard games, and various events given the popularity.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: February 24, 2020 07:00PM
ajh258
Jeff Hopkins '82
ajh258
This came out a while ago and was mainly about football and basketball, but I think it could have major implications for hockey recruiting as well.
If student athletes are allowed to profit from their image, could that tip the scale more in favor of Cornell?
I thought a big issue historically was Ivy League did not give athletics scholarships, so even the smart kids went to BU/Minnesota/Penn State because they could attend for free.
Would this help us get more quality players down the road? We definitely have a fan base that could financially support this if we can pack MSG every year.
NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
I think an athlete in the Boston or Minneapolis area would have a better chance to make money from their likeness or from endorsements than one in Ithaca.
I beg to differ. Cornell has more engaged and more wealthy fans across the Northeast vs BU hockey is not even top 5 sports in Boston.
Plus, once you get better players than before, you create a virtuous cycle: more success = more fans = more money.
Those who lose out are smaller schools with niche alumni base and lack of branding (think most ECAC and Hockey East peers). They used to be able to get around it by giving scholarships, but that advantage is being eroded away.
Well, I was thinking in terms of endorsement money going to the players. A TV ad on NESN would reach a much bigger audience than a radio ad on WHCU.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 24, 2020 07:19PM
ajh258
All the team has to do is take the revenue they make from merchandise and attribute it to players' likeness. That money used to go to the team and cannot be directly used to subsidize tuition and school costs due to Ivy League rules while the other schools have been doing it for years.
$50k tuition x 30 players = $1.5m to completely cover athletes' cost of attendance.
$1.5m can easily be raised between MSG, Harvard games, and various events given the popularity.
Easily? You're going to have to show me how that would be easy.
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Rita (---.ftmy.qwest.net)
Date: February 24, 2020 10:51PM
What about the next Cornellian, who happens to play hockey, that wants to create a better version of the beer tap? Under the new NC$$ regs, would s/he be able to get the patent and profit and still keep their eligibility?
That part of the NC$$ rules always bugged me. If an athlete has talent in another area (musician, cupcake baker) why couldn't they make money from that and still keep their scholarship and eligibility?
That part of the NC$$ rules always bugged me. If an athlete has talent in another area (musician, cupcake baker) why couldn't they make money from that and still keep their scholarship and eligibility?
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ajh258 (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2020 10:58PM
Jim Hyla
ajh258
All the team has to do is take the revenue they make from merchandise and attribute it to players' likeness. That money used to go to the team and cannot be directly used to subsidize tuition and school costs due to Ivy League rules while the other schools have been doing it for years.
$50k tuition x 30 players = $1.5m to completely cover athletes' cost of attendance.
$1.5m can easily be raised between MSG, Harvard games, and various events given the popularity.
Easily? You're going to have to show me how that would be easy.
Ask some rich alumnus to establish a trust of $50m to “buy” athlete merchandise, and make the coaches the trustees.
We can all contribute to the trust as well. $1,500,000 / 15 home games / 4500 = $22 per ticket per game. That’s not crazy if we can get half there, half from donations.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Robb (---.lightspeed.dybhfl.sbcglobal.net)
Date: February 24, 2020 11:15PM
That's not how revenue, expenses, and profit work. To offset $1.5M in scholarships, your events have to have a net *profit* of $1.5M, not revenue. I know you said "half" but you don't really think those events generate 50% profit, do you? If they did, every hedge fund on Wall Street would be founding hockey leagues instead of buying up tech firms.ajh258
Jim Hyla
ajh258
All the team has to do is take the revenue they make from merchandise and attribute it to players' likeness. That money used to go to the team and cannot be directly used to subsidize tuition and school costs due to Ivy League rules while the other schools have been doing it for years.
$50k tuition x 30 players = $1.5m to completely cover athletes' cost of attendance.
$1.5m can easily be raised between MSG, Harvard games, and various events given the popularity.
Easily? You're going to have to show me how that would be easy.
Ask some rich alumnus to establish a trust of $50m to “buy” athlete merchandise, and make the coaches the trustees.
We can all contribute to the trust as well. $1,500,000 / 15 home games / 4500 = $22 per ticket per game. That’s not crazy if we can get half there, half from donations.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ice (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2020 12:19AM
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.44.98.30.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: February 25, 2020 08:11AM
Robb
That's not how revenue, expenses, and profit work. To offset $1.5M in scholarships, your events have to have a net *profit* of $1.5M, not revenue. I know you said "half" but you don't really think those events generate 50% profit, do you? If they did, every hedge fund on Wall Street would be founding hockey leagues instead of buying up tech firms.ajh258
Jim Hyla
ajh258
All the team has to do is take the revenue they make from merchandise and attribute it to players' likeness. That money used to go to the team and cannot be directly used to subsidize tuition and school costs due to Ivy League rules while the other schools have been doing it for years.
$50k tuition x 30 players = $1.5m to completely cover athletes' cost of attendance.
$1.5m can easily be raised between MSG, Harvard games, and various events given the popularity.
Easily? You're going to have to show me how that would be easy.
Ask some rich alumnus to establish a trust of $50m to “buy” athlete merchandise, and make the coaches the trustees.
We can all contribute to the trust as well. $1,500,000 / 15 home games / 4500 = $22 per ticket per game. That’s not crazy if we can get half there, half from donations.
I'd invest with those kind of returns!
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.239.191.68.cl.cstel.com)
Date: February 25, 2020 08:21AM
ajh258
Jim Hyla
ajh258
All the team has to do is take the revenue they make from merchandise and attribute it to players' likeness. That money used to go to the team and cannot be directly used to subsidize tuition and school costs due to Ivy League rules while the other schools have been doing it for years.
$50k tuition x 30 players = $1.5m to completely cover athletes' cost of attendance.
$1.5m can easily be raised between MSG, Harvard games, and various events given the popularity.
Easily? You're going to have to show me how that would be easy.
Ask some rich alumnus to establish a trust of $50m to “buy” athlete merchandise, and make the coaches the trustees.
We can all contribute to the trust as well. $1,500,000 / 15 home games / 4500 = $22 per ticket per game. That’s not crazy if we can get half there, half from donations.
Show me how easy it is to find that $50m alum.
So I have 4 season tickets, you want me to pay another $1300 and still donate to the hockey program?
We can't get students to fill the rink at today's prices and you want to increase ticket prices by $22 each?
Pie in the sky.
___________________________
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
"Cornell Fans Made the Timbers Tremble", Boston Globe, March/1970
Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2020 09:39AM
Regardless of what the NC$$ decides, the Ivies will never permit student athletes to earn money. They have a lucrative marketing brand principles to protect.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2020 09:40AM by Trotsky.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ajh258 (208.85.161.---)
Date: February 25, 2020 09:49AM
Maybe we should hire someone to help drive revenues here if Ivy League allows this.
$1.5m profitability is not a crazy sales profitability target even if we can't find a rich alumnus.
$1.5m profitability is not a crazy sales profitability target even if we can't find a rich alumnus.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2020 09:57AM
One of us studied to do exactly this. Just sayin'.ajh258
Maybe we should hire someone to help drive revenues here if Ivy League allows this.
$1.5m profitability is not a crazy sales profitability target even if we can't find a rich alumnus.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: February 25, 2020 12:11PM
If the NCAA relents on NIL rights it will be because of litigation fears. The Ivies will allow it if for no other reason than NIL rights for Ivy athletes are probably negligible.Trotsky
Regardless of what the NC$$ decides, the Ivies will never permit student athletes to earn money. They havea lucrative marketing brandprinciples to protect.
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Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Tom Lento (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2020 01:57PM
Rita
What about the next Cornellian, who happens to play hockey, that wants to create a better version of the beer tap? Under the new NC$$ regs, would s/he be able to get the patent and profit and still keep their eligibility?
That part of the NC$$ rules always bugged me. If an athlete has talent in another area (musician, cupcake baker) why couldn't they make money from that and still keep their scholarship and eligibility?
Based on the press article, the NCAA rule change is limited to likeness, name, and image. Assuming that's correct, the athlete can sign a deal with Nike or Reebok or EA Sports but can't sell other things. What'd be interesting, though, is if the athlete entered a business deal with a manufacturer to sell a beer tap as the "Douglas Murray Beer Tap" or similar.
I believe the rationale behind not allowing bake sales and whatnot is that it's a vector for skirting the rules on alumni gifts to athletes. Imagine:
Top HS Football Player: "Oh, I'm also an aspiring cake artist."
Rich alum: "Really? Can you do a cake for my daughter's birthday during your redshirt year here? Make it really luxurious, my birthday cake budget is $10,000. I'm sure some other folks in the football boosters would like similar cakes for their kids..."
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Tom Lento (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2020 02:03PM
ugarte
If the NCAA relents on NIL rights it will be because of litigation fears. The Ivies will allow it if for no other reason than NIL rights for Ivy athletes are probably negligible.Trotsky
Regardless of what the NC$$ decides, the Ivies will never permit student athletes to earn money. They havea lucrative marketing brandprinciples to protect.
In the absence of litigation risk I can see the Ivies taking a pointless principled stance on this for league marketing reasons, but I agree it won't matter to the athletes. That's not just an Ivy thing, either - outside of a few places like Minnesota I don't think D-I hockey players will generate meaningful revenue from likeness or image so I can't imagine this'd be useful as a recruiting tool in general.
As far as I understand it this rule change really only affects top tier D-I Football and Basketball, plus a handful of international superstar level players (maybe US Women's Soccer team players who are still in college, that sort of thing).
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ugarte (---.177.169.163.IPYX-102276-ZYO.zip.zayo.com)
Date: February 25, 2020 03:41PM
I don't think so. NIL rights aren't about sponsorship, I don't think. It's about jerseys with your name on it or to use your name/stats/likeness for EA College Football or Topps cards.Tom Lento
Rita
What about the next Cornellian, who happens to play hockey, that wants to create a better version of the beer tap? Under the new NC$$ regs, would s/he be able to get the patent and profit and still keep their eligibility?
That part of the NC$$ rules always bugged me. If an athlete has talent in another area (musician, cupcake baker) why couldn't they make money from that and still keep their scholarship and eligibility?
Based on the press article, the NCAA rule change is limited to likeness, name, and image. Assuming that's correct, the athlete can sign a deal with Nike or Reebok or EA Sports but can't sell other things. What'd be interesting, though, is if the athlete entered a business deal with a manufacturer to sell a beer tap as the "Douglas Murray Beer Tap" or similar."
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Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Tom Lento (163.114.132.---)
Date: February 25, 2020 07:53PM
ugarte
I don't think so. NIL rights aren't about sponsorship, I don't think. It's about jerseys with your name on it or to use your name/stats/likeness for EA College Football or Topps cards.Tom Lento
Rita
What about the next Cornellian, who happens to play hockey, that wants to create a better version of the beer tap? Under the new NC$$ regs, would s/he be able to get the patent and profit and still keep their eligibility?
That part of the NC$$ rules always bugged me. If an athlete has talent in another area (musician, cupcake baker) why couldn't they make money from that and still keep their scholarship and eligibility?
Based on the press article, the NCAA rule change is limited to likeness, name, and image. Assuming that's correct, the athlete can sign a deal with Nike or Reebok or EA Sports but can't sell other things. What'd be interesting, though, is if the athlete entered a business deal with a manufacturer to sell a beer tap as the "Douglas Murray Beer Tap" or similar."
Oh, interesting. Still, unless Doug Murray branded the Ubertap with his name, I imagine that still wouldn't apply, and even then only to the licensing for the name, right?
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 25, 2020 10:09PM
putting your name on a product is an endorsement, not a NIL issue. NIL is about being able to sell the three things in the acronym, as themselves, as opposed to the school or another third party being able to exploit them without compensating you. It's not Doug Murray on the Doug Murray Ubertap, but using the name Doug Murray itself in a college hockey video game (name) with his stats and an avatar designed to accurately represent him (likeness) and a picture of him in uniform on the packaging (image).Tom Lento
Oh, interesting. Still, unless Doug Murray branded the Ubertap with his name, I imagine that still wouldn't apply, and even then only to the licensing for the name, right?
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Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Swampy (184.170.253.---)
Date: February 25, 2020 10:51PM
Tom Lento
ugarte
If the NCAA relents on NIL rights it will be because of litigation fears. The Ivies will allow it if for no other reason than NIL rights for Ivy athletes are probably negligible.Trotsky
Regardless of what the NC$$ decides, the Ivies will never permit student athletes to earn money. They havea lucrative marketing brandprinciples to protect.
In the absence of litigation risk I can see the Ivies taking a pointless principled stance on this for league marketing reasons, but I agree it won't matter to the athletes. That's not just an Ivy thing, either - outside of a few places like Minnesota I don't think D-I hockey players will generate meaningful revenue from likeness or image so I can't imagine this'd be useful as a recruiting tool in general.
As far as I understand it this rule change really only affects top tier D-I Football and Basketball, plus a handful of international superstar level players (maybe US Women's Soccer team players who are still in college, that sort of thing).
I think sports like lacrosse might be affected. Unlike hockey or soccer, there’s no professional league whose superheroes attract all the attention, yet there’s a growing population of kids who would ask Uncle Punch & Aunt Judy to spend a few more bucks for a birthday present (lacrosse stick, jersey, or cleats) with Jeff Teat’s name on it.
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: February 25, 2020 11:48PM
i've been noodling around and NIL rights in this context may actually include endorsement deals but the NCAA may be involved in capping the valueugarte
putting your name on a product is an endorsement, not a NIL issue. NIL is about being able to sell the three things in the acronym, as themselves, as opposed to the school or another third party being able to exploit them without compensating you. It's not Doug Murray on the Doug Murray Ubertap, but using the name Doug Murray itself in a college hockey video game (name) with his stats and an avatar designed to accurately represent him (likeness) and a picture of him in uniform on the packaging (image).Tom Lento
Oh, interesting. Still, unless Doug Murray branded the Ubertap with his name, I imagine that still wouldn't apply, and even then only to the licensing for the name, right?
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quality tweets | bluesky (twitter 2) | ALAB Series podcast | Other podcasts and writing
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Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: February 25, 2020 11:50PM
ugarte
i've been noodling around and NIL rights in this context may actually include endorsement deals but the NCAA may be involved in capping the valueugarte
putting your name on a product is an endorsement, not a NIL issue. NIL is about being able to sell the three things in the acronym, as themselves, as opposed to the school or another third party being able to exploit them without compensating you. It's not Doug Murray on the Doug Murray Ubertap, but using the name Doug Murray itself in a college hockey video game (name) with his stats and an avatar designed to accurately represent him (likeness) and a picture of him in uniform on the packaging (image).Tom Lento
Oh, interesting. Still, unless Doug Murray branded the Ubertap with his name, I imagine that still wouldn't apply, and even then only to the licensing for the name, right?
I smell a podcast.
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"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
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Beeeej, Esq.
"Cornell isn't an organization. It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
- Steve Worona
Re: Would this help recruiting? NCAA Permit Athletes to Profit
Posted by: Tom Lento (---.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
Date: February 26, 2020 10:33AM
Beeeej
ugarte
i've been noodling around and NIL rights in this context may actually include endorsement deals but the NCAA may be involved in capping the valueugarte
putting your name on a product is an endorsement, not a NIL issue. NIL is about being able to sell the three things in the acronym, as themselves, as opposed to the school or another third party being able to exploit them without compensating you. It's not Doug Murray on the Doug Murray Ubertap, but using the name Doug Murray itself in a college hockey video game (name) with his stats and an avatar designed to accurately represent him (likeness) and a picture of him in uniform on the packaging (image).Tom Lento
Oh, interesting. Still, unless Doug Murray branded the Ubertap with his name, I imagine that still wouldn't apply, and even then only to the licensing for the name, right?
I smell a podcast.
I’d give that a listen.
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