lles is not the answer

After watching tonight's exhibition game, it is obvious that lles is not the answer in goal. It is frustrating as hell to watch him belly flop all over the crease leaving the entire top side wide open on rebounds. I was hoping to see improvement from his freshman year. I know it's only one exhibition game but from what I saw tonight the same erratic play that Andy displayed all of last year is still the norm for him.

Agreed.

I did not see tonight's game, but this weakness was very apparent last year. Is it because he's short for a goalie? You never see it in the NHL.

Of course, neither of the goals tonight had anything to do with your observed weakness. Which may make his performance tonight even more worrisome. It does, however, appear he's regressed somewhat. I still think his skill set is off the charts and throughout this season we'll see him turn into one of the best goalies in the ECAC. (Enter, Kris Mayotte)

Iles keeps pulling what me and my friends call "the Scrivens" - basically crazy moves that unnecessarily increase the risk of letting the puck get by. He often shows a lack of fundamentals in his stance/maneuvers and his size does not play to his advantage, so it doesn't matter how "skilled" you think he is. If he can't defend some basic warp arounds because he's feeling adventurous and goes out of the crease, who cares if he makes few crazy saves per game?

Iles was never better than Garman and Schafer shouldn't have started him alongside Garman, which partially drove Garman to sign pro early. Just because he's from Ithaca and his daddy is a big shot in town doesn't entitle him to be the starting goalie. He had one good weekend last year (away series for Dartmouth/Harvard) and the rest of the time he was merely "getting by". Although their stats were comparable, it was clear that Garman was more dependable and the losses Garman's losses were more caused by our offensive insufficiencies. Additionally, Vincenzo Mariozzi looked much better than Iles during the Red-White game although he only played for a short bit. Schafer should take off his rose-tinted lenses and seriously consider pulling him as our starter.

It doesn't matter what I think. It matters what the staff thinks, and what Iles thinks.

He didn't get beat on any wrap arounds tonight.

Since Parris Duffus twenty years ago, when has a Cornell goalie established himself as The Answer by October of his sophomore year? I come up with one: David LeNeveu. Besides LeNeveu, David McKee comes the closest; he became an elite goaltender in the first semester of his sophomore season. Jason Elliott did so in the second semester of his sophomore year. Matt Underhill and Ben Scrivens had their breakout seasons when they were juniors.

Remember, Andy Iles is only 19 years old. It is far too soon to give up on him.

I'm sure Schafer plays the guys who he believes give us the best chance to win. To suggest he makes decisions based on other criteria is ridiculous.
And its not just Schafer who has great confidence in Andy. The coaches of the US World Juniors team speak very highly of him.
In Schafer [and Iles] I trust!

Iles led the team last season to 60% of its wins during the second semester when it was turning its season around from its abysmal performance during the first half of the season. He sits after only his freshman year at seventh in SV% and ninth in GAA all-time in Cornell hockey history. That in itself is impressive for a freshman.

I doubt sincerely that Iles's father having influence in Ithaca affects Schafer's choice. Schafer cares about his legacy as a coach and that will be measured in wins, not appeasement of locals. Schafer has a gift for identifying talent and developing the skills of prospects for goaltender (think McKee, LeNeveu, Scrivens, etc.). The statistics do not contradict his choice and faith in Iles. I trust his judgment.

Iles has been phenomenal in international play. He backstopped the only team that has beaten Cornell in an exhibition during the last eleven years. He made 39 saves in that game. His style might be unconventional or erratic, but if he delivers results, why should that matter?

Alarmingly, he did make some amateur choices last night. I think that it was during the third period last night that he came dangerously far out of the net. It was a rookie mistake. His performance needs to be better. He delivered a SV% of 0.909 last night which is not atrocious, but we can expect and will get more from him. What we saw last night was a young sophomore who was somewhat unsure of himself because the last time he was on competitive collegiate ice he surrendered five goals to the then-No. 1 team in the nation. He will regain his confidence and deliver as Schafer knows that he can.

Let's hope that he gets better by November 4.

It happens every fall.

CAS
I'm sure Schafer plays the guys who he believes give us the best chance to win. To suggest he makes decisions based on other criteria is ridiculous.
And its not just Schafer who has great confidence in Andy. The coaches of the US World Juniors team speak very highly of him.
In Schafer [and Iles] I trust!

They must be blind. I am not the only one who holds the opinion that Iles looked worse than Garman last year. We can compare stats and talk all day about what they mean and say we trust Schafer and that stuff, but it doesn't mean anything if we lose a few key games.

cubuckser
Since Parris Duffus twenty years ago, when has a Cornell goalie established himself as The Answer by October of his sophomore year? I come up with one: David LeNeveu. Besides LeNeveu, David McKee comes the closest; he became an elite goaltender in the first semester of his sophomore season. Jason Elliott did so in the second semester of his sophomore year. Matt Underhill and Ben Scrivens had their breakout seasons when they were juniors.

Remember, Andy Iles is only 19 years old. It is far too soon to give up on him.

That's fair. However, I still blame coaching for driving Garman away, who was a tremendous goalie and could've had a better career than Scirvens if he had more ice time.

I'm not saying Andy can't/won't be damn good....I was just disapponited in seeing him display the same awkwardness last night that drove me crazy last year. What I'm referring to is Andys' ability to control rebounds and prevent the second/third shots from beating him when he is on his belly and out of the play. Andy's reputation tells me that if he remains technically sound he will be one of the best...just don't see that enough in my view.

ajh258

CAS
I'm sure Schafer plays the guys who he believes give us the best chance to win. To suggest he makes decisions based on other criteria is ridiculous.
And its not just Schafer who has great confidence in Andy. The coaches of the US World Juniors team speak very highly of him.
In Schafer [and Iles] I trust!

They must be blind. I am not the only one who holds the opinion that Iles looked worse than Garman last year. We can compare stats and talk all day about what they mean and say we trust Schafer and that stuff, but it doesn't mean anything if we lose a few key games.

They're all blind... Those that watched him as a high school freshman carry an average team to the state title...blind. Those that watched him two years later backstop his prep team to the championship...blind. Those that named him the best prep goalie that year...blind. Those that invited him to the NTDP in Ann Arbor...blind. Those that selected him to the Junior National Team...blind. Those that saw him put up the best stats at this summer's Junior National camp...blind. Those that saw him stop 39 shots against Cornell while out-playing Ben Scrivens two years ago...blind.

Iles has always been playing up for his age. Let the kid develop. I have nothing against Garman but when he was Iles' age he was still playing juniors. The two started the same number of games last season and Garman's starts resulted in one more loss than those started by Iles. Iles has excelled at every level he's been at and he will (most likely) at Cornell. I'm frustrated because I think he's so much better than we've seen thus far...but I know I'm as blind as they come in matters such as these.

Trotsky:

Trotsky
It happens every fall.

Because God forbid this site actually sees some relevant discussion about actual games rather than treatises on whether there should be a white stripe on the bottom of the away jerseys this year.

Just because he's from Ithaca and his daddy is a big shot in town

Chris Moulson's brother didn't seem to mean anything to Schafer.

I'll admit that he could be a lot better with his stick handling but we don't need him to be Hextall. Hopefully Schafer will talk to him and he'll make better decisions going forward. That said he does have legitimate weaknesses as a goalie, and absolutely could be a flop. Still I'm not willing to judge him solely based on his performance last night or in a goalie platoon last year where he couldn't string together a few starts in a row. I don't think its a coincidence that his best weekend last year was the one he got to start both games. That said let's not blame him for the ECAC final last year. We were just outclassed on every level that game. Most importantly though, if Schafer comes to the decision that Iles isn't the answer we'll know because he'll recruit another goalie.

I think goalie may be our most questionable position, but I'm not ready to put Iles away quite yet. Just look at Scrivens vs. McKee. McKee was head and shoulders above Scrivens in their early years, but Scrivens turned out to be a better goalie. He was willing, or able, to learn and improve; but I think McKee always seemed to be willing to ride his natural talent, and didn't improve much.

We have seven* freshman forwards. Our three most questionable positions are probably: C, LW and RW.

* Granted, at least four of them (Hudon, Dias, Ferlin, Lowry) are supposed to be super.

By questionable I meant most worrisome. I agree coach needs to pick out the forwards to dress, but that's between top prospects. The goalie position may be our weakest.

Jim Hyla
By questionable I meant most worrisome. I agree coach needs to pick out the forwards to dress, but that's between top prospects. The goalie position may be our weakest.

Agreed. The freshmen looked very good for their experience level. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of them make the top 5 scorers for the year (if not more).

Jim Hyla
By questionable I meant most worrisome. I agree coach needs to pick out the forwards to dress, but that's between top prospects. The goalie position may be our weakest.

I agree, but I'm really trying not to count chickens. There's also always that transition to D-1, and having so many of them go through it simultaneously is scary.

Cole is skating tonight, so we'll have seen everybody but Hudon.

cbuckser
Since Parris Duffus twenty years ago, when has a Cornell goalie established himself as The Answer by October of his sophomore year? I come up with one: David LeNeveu. Besides LeNeveu, David McKee comes the closest; he became an elite goaltender in the first semester of his sophomore season. Jason Elliott did so in the second semester of his sophomore year. Matt Underhill and Ben Scrivens had their breakout seasons when they were juniors.

Remember, Andy Iles is only 19 years old. It is far too soon to give up on him.

As another reference point, Matt Underhill appeared to take a step back in his development during his sophomore year, when he posted an .894 save percentage and didn't look good doing it. If you accept save percentage as a measure of a goaltender's performance (which I don't, really, but it's what I've got) Underhill was about the 10th best goalie in the ECAC and the second best on his own team (by a fair amount, at that - Ian Burt posted a .913). The following year he emerged as the clear #1 at Cornell and went on to become an All-American and the first in a string of goaltenders who helped return Cornell to national prominence, and he was technically far superior to the goaltender who flailed around to that .894 as a sophomore.

So, is Isles going to be a good, but not great, collegiate goaltender, or will he be the next Matt Underhill? I sure as hell don't know, but neither does anybody else.

As for Garman, remember, he *graduated* - he didn't just quit school to go pro. Maybe he would have stuck around if he were the undisputed starter, but that's not a given. He's 24, so I'm guessing the clock was ticking a little louder than it would have been for a 21 year old.

Iles improved as the game went on tonight against Carleton, although he didn't face that many shots on goal (I think Carleton had 2 for the 1st period? The box scores are not out yet).

Tom Lento
So, is Isles going to be a good, but not great, collegiate goaltender, or will he be the next Matt Underhill? I sure as hell don't know, but neither does anybody else.

None of us will until he plays regularly. Iles hasn't been the man in 2 years. The NTDP always rotates goalies and then there was last season. Iles is 19 and has played 2650 minutes over 47 games in the past 2 seasons -- not counting World Junior tournament/camps. By comparison, Cornell's new freshman goalie is 21 and has played 5601 minutes over 94 games in that same period. Iles needs to play. The staff will determine whether he deserves to or not.

Tom Lento
As for Garman, remember, he *graduated* - he didn't just quit school to go pro. Maybe he would have stuck around if he were the undisputed starter, but that's not a given.

Once Garman graduated, he could not have returned to the team, even if he had come back to Cornell for an advanced degree. For whatever reason, Ivy League rules prohibit graduate students from varsity sports, according to Brandon Thomas in the Ithaca Journal. See the earlier forum thread on Garman leaving: [elf.elynah.com]

But he had to ask for permission to graduate after three years. He could have elected to complete his degree with a senior year.

marty
But he had to ask for permission to graduate after three years. He could have elected to complete his degree with a senior year.

Put yourself in Garman's shoes. He has the talent to make money playing professional hockey at some level. If he stays it is likely to be under the same platoon system. Regardless of the merits of this system how was that going to help him advance his professional career. The short answer is that it was not. So, he apparently met the requirements to graduate and made a perfectly rational decision to get started with the rest of his life. Good for him, I wish him nothing but the best.

Towerroad

marty
But he had to ask for permission to graduate after three years. He could have elected to complete his degree with a senior year.

Put yourself in Garman's shoes. He has the talent to make money playing professional hockey at some level. If he stays it is likely to be under the same platoon system. Regardless of the merits of this system how was that going to help him advance his professional career. The short answer is that it was not. So, he apparently met the requirements to graduate and made a perfectly rational decision to get started with the rest of his life. Good for him, I wish him nothing but the best.

Me too.

From:

[cornellsun.com]

Mike Schafer
Head coach Mike Schafer ’86 was pleased to get all three goalies playing experience this weekend, but noted, “Andy is our No. 1. We know that as a coaching staff.”

pfibiger
From:
[cornellsun.com]

Mike Schafer
Head coach Mike Schafer ’86 was pleased to get all three goalies playing experience this weekend, but noted, “Andy is our No. 1. We know that as a coaching staff.”

Maybe someone should forward the thread to the coaching staff so they have the benefit of our collective insights. They may have been blinded by seeing Iles too often. As Malcolm Gladwell notes in Blink, sometimes first impressions are better and more accurate. As a Harvard alum, perhaps Gladwell formed the kernel of that insight when he wandered into Bright Center, saw the Crimson play, and immediately came away with a two-word judgment that is eternally correct.

billhoward

pfibiger
From:
[cornellsun.com]

Mike Schafer
Head coach Mike Schafer ’86 was pleased to get all three goalies playing experience this weekend, but noted, “Andy is our No. 1. We know that as a coaching staff.”

Maybe someone should forward the thread to the coaching staff so they have the benefit of our collective insights. They may have been blinded by seeing Iles too often. As Malcolm Gladwell notes in Blink, sometimes first impressions are better and more accurate. As a Harvard alum, perhaps Gladwell formed the kernel of that insight when he wandered into Bright Center, saw the Crimson play, and immediately came away with a two-word judgment that is eternally correct.

Technically, this is a correct statement if Marozzi hasn't proved himself to be as good of a goalie as Iles during practice. However, this quote, which might be taken out of context, is also implying that Iles is a good enough goalie, which is not completely accurate.

ajh258

billhoward

pfibiger
From:
[cornellsun.com]

Mike Schafer
Head coach Mike Schafer ’86 was pleased to get all three goalies playing experience this weekend, but noted, “Andy is our No. 1. We know that as a coaching staff.”

Maybe someone should forward the thread to the coaching staff so they have the benefit of our collective insights. They may have been blinded by seeing Iles too often. As Malcolm Gladwell notes in Blink, sometimes first impressions are better and more accurate. As a Harvard alum, perhaps Gladwell formed the kernel of that insight when he wandered into Bright Center, saw the Crimson play, and immediately came away with a two-word judgment that is eternally correct.

Technically, this is a correct statement if Marozzi hasn't proved himself to be as good of a goalie as Iles during practice. However, this quote, which might be taken out of context, is also implying that Iles is a good enough goalie, which is not completely accurate.

No it doesn't. It says he's their No. 1, says nothing about being good enough. It implies that he's better than the rest. I think he has the possibility to improve as Scrivens did. If so, this team could have a very good next few years. I'm very hopefull. But that's just me.

billhoward

pfibiger
From:
[cornellsun.com]

Mike Schafer
Head coach Mike Schafer ’86 was pleased to get all three goalies playing experience this weekend, but noted, “Andy is our No. 1. We know that as a coaching staff.”

Maybe someone should forward the thread to the coaching staff so they have the benefit of our collective insights. They may have been blinded by seeing Iles too often. As Malcolm Gladwell notes in Blink, sometimes first impressions are better and more accurate. As a Harvard alum, perhaps Gladwell formed the kernel of that insight when he wandered into Bright Center, saw the Crimson play, and immediately came away with a two-word judgment that is eternally correct.

First impressions are also incredibly hard to change, so maybe they just have a different first impression than you do and are still working off that impression. Hopefully though he's this negativity is proven unwarranted and Iles takes command of the top spot. I'm just a little concerned about his size and decision making/abilities when it comes to handling the puck. While this wouldn't be necessary, it would be awesome.


I guess we could settle for DiPietro or Turco though...

OK, I'll start. It was frustrating to watch Andy at times last night. He makes some saves no one should be able to make (the post-to-post pad save in the first, right before Mercyhurst tied it at 1, was a thing of beauty), allows goals many goalies would stop (but aren't necessarily terrible goals), and (worst of all) seems to spend a lot of his time catching pucks at head height and above when in the butterfly, or doing a good imitation of someone looking for contact lenses on their belly. All that being said, our D blew a lot of assignments last night; surprising because that's the group with plenty of experience.

Cornell's best goalies, it seems to me, have always been very "quiet" goalies; Andy so far is anything but that. His quickness is a great asset but his need to be quick/frantic is often a result of being out of position. I just hope the last game of last season and the first game of this one don't start messing with his head. GO RED!!!

My take on Iles is that because of his flopping style he looks worse than he is a lot of the time. It's tough to accurately judge a goaltender when he plays like that. Now whether he needs to play like that is the question. Is it because of his lack of size and he compensates with his quickness thus he had developed that style? Maybe he would benefit by trying to play a more traditional butterfly style.


With all of that being said, I put him in the adequate goaltender category. I don't think he will steal Cornell any games by being outstanding but on the other hand I don't think he is going to loose many games by being horrible.

MattS
My take on Iles is that because of his flopping style he looks worse than he is a lot of the time. It's tough to accurately judge a goaltender when he plays like that. Now whether he needs to play like that is the question. Is it because of his lack of size and he compensates with his quickness thus he had developed that style? Maybe he would benefit by trying to play a more traditional butterfly style.


With all of that being said, I put him in the adequate goaltender category. I don't think he will steal Cornell any games by being outstanding but on the other hand I don't think he is going to loose many games by being horrible.

I think you're right that he almost has to play this style because of his size. And he did steal us away at Harvard last year. I'm not sure he'd benefit from a pure butterfly though because his size means a lot of the top portion of the net would be there for the taking. Perhaps hybrid?

What Ithaca native collegiate goalie has a last name that rhymes with "smiles"?

I thought Iles looked ok most of the time, but he showed very poor anticipation/reaction to the 5th goal (the one the went off a skate). He seemed frozen to his left when the pass went to the right.

Hopefully Kris Mayotte will be able to help him along. It's been a while since Cornell had a goalie coach. I suspect he'll be fine on most nights.

http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,171014,171034#msg-171034.

Remember folks, Scrivens spent most of the 2006-2007 season flopping around the ice, wandering way too far from the net and sending many people on ELF (and I'm sure in the stands) into minor fits. I'm inclined to give Iles the benefit of the doubt and see how he progresses through the season. This is one of the few things I'm actually optimistic about (which goes against my nature and inner Eeyore).

Rita
http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,171014,171034#msg-171034.

Remember folks, Scrivens spent most of the 2006-2007 season flopping around the ice, wandering way too far from the net and sending many people on ELF (and I'm sure in the stands) into minor fits. I'm inclined to give Iles the benefit of the doubt and see how he progresses through the season. This is one of the few things I'm actually optimistic about (which goes against my nature and inner Eeyore).

Scrivens just made 38 of 39 saves in the NHL, and back in 06-07, I wanted Troy Davenport to play over him. This is why I'm not coaching. Well, one reason.

Let's spend more time analyzing why Scrivens let that 39th opportunity get behind him. It could be a cause for alarm.

billhoward
Let's spend more time analyzing why Scrivens let that 39th opportunity get behind him. It could be a cause for alarm.

The game has left him behind.

Catching up on the over-night posts over my second cup of morning coffee. When I got to this Scrivens thread I laughed so hard I spit coffee all over my computer. Thank you. This is what makes eLynah a treasure, in spite of the John Harvards-type rants.

Trotsky

billhoward
Let's spend more time analyzing why Scrivens let that 39th opportunity get behind him. It could be a cause for alarm.

The game has left him behind.

It's the system.

Ahem.

ugarte
Ahem.

That was quick.

He may not be the answer, but it's damned likely he'll be "goalie of the week" this coming week.

Scrivens was the answer, so if Iles gets the ECAC Championship and then into the Forzen Fours, then he will become the answer.

True statement

What was the question?

ajh258
Scrivens was the answer, so if Iles gets the ECAC Championship and then into the Forzen Fours, then he will become the answer.

I appreciate everything Scrivens did while at Cornell, but I must have missed those Frozen Fours.

ithacat

ajh258
Scrivens was the answer, so if Iles gets the ECAC Championship and then into the Forzen Fours, then he will become the answer.

I appreciate everything Scrivens did while at Cornell, but I must have missed those Frozen Fours.

Cornell's Frozen Four goalies: Dryden (thrice); Cropper; Elenbaas (twice); Eliot; LeNeveu

imafrshmn

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Who is Kevin Cole...

I dunno. I fogrot.

God I love the forzen four. Definitely better than all the other fours, such as final or frozen.

BMac
God I love the forzen four. Definitely better than all the other fours, such as final or frozen.

Brom performed admirably at the last one.

I was for zen for a long time, but meditation is such a pain in the ass.

ithacat

ajh258
Scrivens was the answer, so if Iles gets the ECAC Championship and then into the Forzen Fours, then he will become the answer.

I appreciate everything Scrivens did while at Cornell, but I must have missed those Frozen Fours.

Scrivens didn't have the firing power that Iles has now, so the bar must be set higher.

ajh258

ithacat

ajh258
Scrivens was the answer, so if Iles gets the ECAC Championship and then into the Forzen Fours, then he will become the answer.

I appreciate everything Scrivens did while at Cornell, but I must have missed those Frozen Fours.

Scrivens didn't have the firing power that Iles has now, so the bar must be set higher.

I hope you're correct. Ben's senior season did have a team that had 3 100-pointers (Greening, R. Nash, and Gallagher), plus a couple of other guys who made it to the AHL pretty quickly (ie, their first year out of Cornell (B. Nash and J. Devin). Personally, I think that team probably should have made it to the FF once, if not twice. They were eliminated by a UNH team that they had dominated during the season (RIT came out of the Albany region). The year earlier they fell to a hot Bemidji State in the Regional Final. Things really were set up for them those last 2 seasons -- they were talented, experienced, and the draws allowed them to avoid WCHA powers.

This team may have a lot of talent, but they're relatively young and inexperienced. Need to be patient. I'd be very happy with an NCAA berth this season.

Jordan 04

BMac
God I love the forzen four. Definitely better than all the other fours, such as final or frozen.

Brom performed admirably at the last one.

Ylae has never had the answer for them.

ugarte
Ahem.

OK, but let's be realistic: we all know bad goalies have good games sometimes (usually against [insert team the speaker roots for here]). If you thought Iles wasn't the answer before this weekend, good performances in mid-November home games against middling opposition aren't likely to change your mind.

Josh '99

ugarte
Ahem.

OK, but let's be realistic: we all know bad goalies have good games sometimes (usually against [insert team the speaker roots for here]). If you thought Iles wasn't the answer before this weekend, good performances in mid-November home games against middling opposition aren't likely to change your mind.

Good goalies also have bad games sometimes. They can also improve between ages 19-22.

Josh '99

ugarte
Ahem.

OK, but let's be realistic: we all know bad goalies have good games sometimes (usually against [insert team the speaker roots for here]). If you thought Iles wasn't the answer before this weekend, good performances in mid-November home games against middling opposition aren't likely to change your mind.

Let's see how many other goalies blank this middling travel pair this season. I'll bet the answer is zero. I'm not making the argument that he needs a new suit for the Hobey ceremony but "[Player] sucks" threads started a week into the season deserve to be mocked.

ugarte

Josh '99

ugarte
Ahem.

OK, but let's be realistic: we all know bad goalies have good games sometimes (usually against [insert team the speaker roots for here]). If you thought Iles wasn't the answer before this weekend, good performances in mid-November home games against middling opposition aren't likely to change your mind.

Let's see how many other goalies blank this middling travel pair this season. I'll bet the answer is zero. I'm not making the argument that he needs a new suit for the Hobey ceremony but "[Player] sucks" threads started a week day into the preseason deserve to be mocked.

FYP.

Jordan 04

Josh '99

ugarte
Ahem.

OK, but let's be realistic: we all know bad goalies have good games sometimes (usually against [insert team the speaker roots for here]). If you thought Iles wasn't the answer before this weekend, good performances in mid-November home games against middling opposition aren't likely to change your mind.

Good goalies also have bad games sometimes. They can also improve between ages 19-22.

Sure. To clarify, I'm not defending the original premise of the thread, I'm just saying that if you did agree with that premise, these two games probably won't have changed your mind.

BMac
God I love the forzen four. Definitely better than all the other fours, such as final or frozen.

It's the for-est of all the fours.

As the starter of this thread I have to say I was very impressed with Andy on Saturday night. He was the difference in the first period. I'm also unbiased enough to recognoze his improvement. Only once in Saturday's game did I scratch my head at him going down to his stomach while the puck was still in play. Other than that one brief moment he postioned himself well and kept himself in the play. Andy has shown marked improvement over the first segment of the schedule. His contunued development is key to the success of this years team.

Since people seem to think that Scrivens has achieved some form of Deity status for his efforts at Cornell and now having elevated his game to the Show, Let's take a look back at his and Iles' comparable stats for the same time frames in their tenure on the hill to this point. Remember that Iles was a true 18 yr old Freshman and Scrivens was 20 his first game for the Red. In terms of physical maturity that's a Big difference.

Glad to see the coaching staff has far more knowledge and foresight into how to run their team then the Monday morning Bench Bosses around these parts. There is no ANSWER. other than 42. All you can do is hope for successful seasons and support the Team and coaching staff in every way possible. Enjoy the ride while it lasts and don't get down on them when they run into a bad spell.




year gs min. GA GAA Sh S% W L T SO
1011 fr Iles 18 1010:49 42 2.49 444 .914 8 7 2 0
1112 so Iles 7 417:40 16 2.30 154 .906 5 2 0 2

Oct 29 Mercyhurst L 4-5 0-1-0 Iles
Nov 04 at Yale W 6-2 1-1-0 Iles
Nov 05 at Brown L 4-5 1-2-0 Iles
Nov 11 at Harvard W 4-2 2-2-0 Iles
Nov 12 at Dartmouth W 3-2 3-2-0 Iles
Nov 18 Princeton W 4-0 4-2-0 Iles
Nov 19 Quinnipiac W 4-0 5-2-0 Iles
Nov 22 Niagara
Nov 26 Boston University

year gs min. ga gaa sh S% W L T SO
0607 fr Scrivens 12 573:55 22 2.30 224 .911 3 6 2 0
0708 so Scrivens 35 1962:43 66 2.02 883 .930 19 12 2 4

Oct 27 RIT L 1-4 0-1-0 Scrivens
Nov 02 PRINCETON L 2-3 0-2-0 Davenport
Nov 03 QUINNIPIAC W 5-3 1-2-0 Scrivens
Nov 09 at Yale W 2-1 2-2-0 Scrivens
Nov 10 at BRWN W 4-1 3-2-0 Scrivens
Nov 16 at #19 Harvard L 1-2 3-3-0 Scrivens
Nov 17 at Dartmouth W 4-1 4-3-0 Scrivens
Nov 24 vs Boston U L 3-6 4-4-0 Scrivens

What is the square root of 1764, Alex?

MotherPucker
There is no ANSWER. other than 42.

This forum figured that out organically.

What do you get when you multiply six by nine?

ftyuv
What do you get when you multiply six by nine?

That would be the question if we're in base 13.

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What do you get when you multiply six by nine?

Trotsky

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What do you get when you multiply six by nine?

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Woah, I have to admit I wasn't expecting the answer to be "a tattoo."

Kid worked hard to earn tonight's shut out.

AHEM

The Answer with three straight shutouts!

Apparently Iles current shutout streak of 202:28 is 3rd all time at Cornell. This thread makes us look like idiots. Glad he's disproving us with his play.

Andy Iles = AI = The Answer = AI = Allen Iverson

Coincidence?

Wonder how many tattoos Andy has...

Robb
Andy Iles = AI = The Answer = AI = Allen Iverson

Coincidence?

Wonder how many tattoos Andy has...

If Iles starts holding his hand to his ear and screaming to the Lynah crowd then I'll totally buy into that comparison.

Practice? I have three straight shutouts and we talkin' about practice?

Here's what else three straight shutouts will do for you.

Andy's numbers after the Dartmouth game: 3.23 GAA, 0.870 SV%.

Andy's numbers after Niagara: 2.01 GAA, 0.918 SV%.

Invitation to someone with Photoshop skills:

Give My Regards
Here's what else three straight shutouts will do for you.

Andy's numbers after the Dartmouth game: 3.23 GAA, 0.870 SV%.

Andy's numbers after Niagara: 2.01 GAA, 0.918 SV%.

It's the system.

Tom Lento

Give My Regards
Here's what else three straight shutouts will do for you.

Andy's numbers after the Dartmouth game: 3.23 GAA, 0.870 SV%.

Andy's numbers after Niagara: 2.01 GAA, 0.918 SV%.

It's the system.

So let me get this straight? When Iles had a .750 save percentage and was struggling, he's nothe answer and the systems not to blame but when he has 200+ shutout minutes in a row the system is responsible for that and Andy is benefitting from the system? Just want to make sure I'm following that logic correctly (I do understand there may be an element of sarcasm in your response, but this is for the people who actually do believe its the system). The only real options here to explain what's going on is that either Andy was always a capable goaltender being made to look bad by sloppy defensive play, which has now improved and allowed him to flourish (I.e. the system explanation), or that Iles' play has significantly improved over the past few weekends and he's playing like one of the top goalies in the country at the moment. I believe its a bit of both but since I've never seen a system that stops multiple 1v1 breakaways you have to give Andy credit.

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Tom Lento

Give My Regards
Here's what else three straight shutouts will do for you.

Andy's numbers after the Dartmouth game: 3.23 GAA, 0.870 SV%.

Andy's numbers after Niagara: 2.01 GAA, 0.918 SV%.

It's the system.

So let me get this straight? When Iles had a .750 save percentage and was struggling, he's nothe answer and the systems not to blame but when he has 200+ shutout minutes in a row the system is responsible for that and Andy is benefitting from the system? Just want to make sure I'm following that logic correctly (I do understand there may be an element of sarcasm in your response, but this is for the people who actually do believe its the system). The only real options here to explain what's going on is that either Andy was always a capable goaltender being made to look bad by sloppy defensive play, which has now improved and allowed him to flourish (I.e. the system explanation), or that Iles' play has significantly improved over the past few weekends and he's playing like one of the top goalies in the country at the moment. I believe its a bit of both but since I've never seen a system that stops multiple 1v1 breakaways you have to give Andy credit.

You think there is an element of sarcasm in the response? How about 100% sarcasm and nothing but.

dag14

css228

Tom Lento

Give My Regards
Here's what else three straight shutouts will do for you.

Andy's numbers after the Dartmouth game: 3.23 GAA, 0.870 SV%.

Andy's numbers after Niagara: 2.01 GAA, 0.918 SV%.

It's the system.

So let me get this straight? When Iles had a .750 save percentage and was struggling, he's nothe answer and the systems not to blame but when he has 200+ shutout minutes in a row the system is responsible for that and Andy is benefitting from the system? Just want to make sure I'm following that logic correctly (I do understand there may be an element of sarcasm in your response, but this is for the people who actually do believe its the system). The only real options here to explain what's going on is that either Andy was always a capable goaltender being made to look bad by sloppy defensive play, which has now improved and allowed him to flourish (I.e. the system explanation), or that Iles' play has significantly improved over the past few weekends and he's playing like one of the top goalies in the country at the moment. I believe its a bit of both but since I've never seen a system that stops multiple 1v1 breakaways you have to give Andy credit.

You think there is an element of sarcasm in the response? How about 100% sarcasm and nothing but.

Fair enough its just given the amount of people I have met that actually believe it is the system, Id rather we not even start down that road, sarcastically or not.

css228
You think there is an element of sarcasm in the response? How about 100% sarcasm and nothing but.

Fair enough its just given the amount of people I have met that actually believe it is the system, Id rather we not even start down that road, sarcastically or not.[/quote]
The "it's the system" line has been an ongoing joke here for years and years. It's a safe bet that anytime you see "it's the system" on this forum without any further explanation it's sarcastic.

KeithK
The "it's the system" line has been an ongoing joke here for years and years. It's a safe bet that anytime you see "it's the system" on this forum without any further explanation it's sarcastic.

Typical.

Kyle Rose

KeithK
The "it's the system" line has been an ongoing joke here for years and years. It's a safe bet that anytime you see "it's the system" on this forum without any further explanation it's sarcastic.

Typical.

Jerk.

Trotsky

Kyle Rose

KeithK
The "it's the system" line has been an ongoing joke here for years and years. It's a safe bet that anytime you see "it's the system" on this forum without any further explanation it's sarcastic.

Typical.

Jerk.

I wish we had a "like" button for posts like this.

Trotsky

Kyle Rose

KeithK
The "it's the system" line has been an ongoing joke here for years and years. It's a safe bet that anytime you see "it's the system" on this forum without any further explanation it's sarcastic.

Typical.

Jerk.

For the record:

1) I was being sarcastic
2) Kyle really is a jerk

Tom Lento
For the record:

1) I was being sarcastic
2) Kyle really is a jerk

The statement on this side of the card is true.
The statment on the other side is false.

Tom Lento

Trotsky

Kyle Rose

KeithK
The "it's the system" line has been an ongoing joke here for years and years. It's a safe bet that anytime you see "it's the system" on this forum without any further explanation it's sarcastic.

Typical.

Jerk.

For the record:

1) I was being sarcastic
2) Kyle really is a jerk

If I invoke the name RichS, does that mean he'll show up? If so... oops.

A good interview with Andy is in here about halfway down the article. Linked for convenience, though decide for yourself whether you want to give page hits to a guy so ignorant that he called Cornell a "rising power" a few weeks ago.

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...a guy so ignorant that he called Cornell a "rising power" a few weeks ago.

Give Joshua Boyd a break. We all cannot be as astute as we commentators on ELynah are. It's also Boyd's first year following the ECAC. He has many things to learn. Like Skorton and Schafer said at Red Hot Hockey 2009, we cannot hold those who attended other universities accountable for their lack of education in college hockey.

On the topic of this post, I am a fan of Iles. He shows great potential to be a great goaltender in the tradition of Cornell. I worry however that when his shutout streak ends that Iles will implode much like Scrivens did during the UNH game in the NCAA Tournament in 2010 (6-2). Such a bad way to end an otherwise amazing senior year of hockey.

Let's hope that nothing similar happens to Iles on Saturday.