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Cornell now 9 in Pairwise ... will certainly cement an NCAA bid if Yale wins tonight - possible has already

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Even if we lose twice??

Jordan 04
Even if we lose twice??

Seems hard to believe since two losses would be against TUCs. But in playing around with the possibilities I could not get us lower than 14.

Harvard wins in 2OT (according to livestats).

So, naturally, Yale loses. Let's just take care of business in AC next weekend and not worry about the PWR.

On that note, and I know this doesn't belong in this thread, but does anyone know if the athetics department gets a ticket allotment? I'd like to make the trip down to AC from NYC next weekend, but can only make the Saturday session. Before I buy on ticketmaster, I thought I'd see if CU had a particular section.

Cornell should have a ticket allotment. (Cornell ticket office has also had AC ECACs ticket brochures since last fall.) Not sure if they just sell the weekend package. But AC has ~10,000 seats and most are empties (except for NJ HS wrestling when the place is full). Just buy any ticket for Saturday and move around.

Cornell goes to the ECAC final four for the fifth year in a row. They have not done that since 1977 (when they completed their remarkable 12-year run).

It is their 34th trip to the ECAC F4. Since Schafer became coach (17 seasons):

13 Cornell
 9 Harvard*
 7 Clarkson
 6 Colgate*
 6 Dartmouth
 6 St. Lawrence
 5 Princeton
 4 RPI
 3 Yale*
 3 Vermont-Quinnipiac*
 2 Brown
 2 Union

* still in contention this year

Trotsky
Cornell goes to the ECAC final four for the fifth year in a row. They have not done that since 1977 (when they completed their remarkable 12-year run).

1978, 1983, 1987. The only three years where Cornell and Clarkson were both absent. Pretty remarkable.

nyc94

Jordan 04
Even if we lose twice??

Seems hard to believe since two losses would be against TUCs. But in playing around with the possibilities I could not get us lower than 14.

Thus pray for no dark horse conference tourney winners.

Just got Ticketshafted. CU in AC!

And yes, buy a ticket anywhere. Sit where you want.

With Yale dropping out as a TUC we drop to 12th

By winning tonight Harvard blew their chance to do something amazing. With a loss they would have finished the season with more ties than any other result (10-10-11), something no team may ever have done for a season with a non-trivial number of games.

mikek
With Yale dropping out as a TUC we drop to 12th

We now lose the comparisons with Michigan and Minnesota but flipped Michigan State and Denver to wins (Denver v. Wisconsin pending).

edit: Denver won last night so they are winning the comparison with us. And we took back the comparison with Minnesota. Not sure why we were losing it temporarily last night.

What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

css228

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

But I don't want to root for Yale.

When are they going to post highlights/redcast game for game 1? Want to see Whitney's winner again...

bnr24

css228

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

But I don't want to root for Yale.

No ties anymore. Don't root for Yale; root against Harvard.

BearLover
When are they going to post highlights/redcast game for game 1? Want to see Whitney's winner again...

There's a video posted in another thread: [elf.elynah.com]

bnr24

css228

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

But I don't want to root for Yale.

Would you rather root for Harvard?

jtn27

bnr24

css228

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

But I don't want to root for Yale.

Would you rather root for Harvard?

Sinkhole! Sinkhole!

(Yes, this would cost us our building, but it's worth it.)

ugarte

bnr24

css228

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

But I don't want to root for Yale.

No ties anymore. Don't root for Yale; root against Harvard.

It' all about framing. I prefer generally Harvard to Yale, but if Yale winning will help Cornell get a spot in the NCAAs I am fine with it. With the addendum that I don't want the Elis to leave AC with any hardware.

RichH

jtn27

bnr24

css228

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

But I don't want to root for Yale.

Would you rather root for Harvard?

Sinkhole! Sinkhole!

(Yes, this would cost us our building, but it's worth it.)

If the game were in New Haven, we could say "Nuke the Whale".

Boorish behavior isn't limited to the Dartmouth coach. Following the game, as Cornell took its victory skate around the rink, two Dartmouth managers walked directly towards the two photographers trying to capture the moment, blocking their shots. I have to think it was intentional -- courteous people usually wait or detour around people taking pictures.

meow meow goes the cat loloolololololllloloooooooooool

css228

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

Without looking at the other nine games today, a Yale win over Harvard gets them back to TUC status and Cornell up to 10 in PWR. Yale would need to win one in AC to stay a TUC but I guess it could just as easily be the consolation game.

I thought there was a post that this wasn't going to happen (see attachment) - that ND wasn't wearing the mascot. This is from today's USCHO front page.

Not a NCAA tournament game, WCHA.

marty
I thought there was a post that this wasn't going to happen (see attachment) - that ND wasn't wearing the mascot. This is from today's USCHO front page.

This is the WCHA tourney so I guess the WCHA will let North Dakota wear whatever jerseys they want. Someone did post (or mentioned in the chat) the in the NC$$ women's QFs, the North Dakota's womens team wore their ND uniforms that was lacking logos and the nickname.

The test will be next weekend, if the Sioux get into the men's NC$$ tourney, will they wear the logo and/or jerseys with "Sioux" on them?

Rita
Someone did post (or mentioned in the chat) the in the NC$$ women's QFs, the North Dakota's womens team wore their ND uniforms that was lacking logos and the nickname.

That would be me! For those of you who need proof, you can see the adapted sweaters in this video.

jtn27

bnr24

css228

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

But I don't want to root for Yale.

Would you rather root for Harvard?

If it means we can kick their asses in AC in the semis, yes. This has nothing to do with the fact that I'd like to see another Harvard game in person this year with a result I approve of.

Rita

marty
I thought there was a post that this wasn't going to happen (see attachment) - that ND wasn't wearing the mascot. This is from today's USCHO front page.

This is the WCHA tourney so I guess the WCHA will let North Dakota wear whatever jerseys they want. Someone did post (or mentioned in the chat) the in the NC$$ women's QFs, the North Dakota's womens team wore their ND uniforms that was lacking logos and the nickname.

The test will be next weekend, if the Sioux get into the men's NC$$ tourney, will they wear the logo and/or jerseys with "Sioux" on them?

I hope the NCAA doesn't check their Under Armour.

ugarte

bnr24

css228

RM 08
What happens if Yale wins tomorrow? Would that help us?

Yes, we want them to get to the ECAC final.

But I don't want to root for Yale.

No ties anymore. Don't root for Yale; root against Harvard.

They could tie in the consolation game. 12-10-12 would be acceptable from a rooting interest standpoint and almost as funny as 10-10-11.

Bit of video from the post-game crowd-salute (and Sean Whitney eating some snow).

CowbellGuy
Bit of video from the post-game crowd-salute (and Sean Whitney eating some snow).

Any meaning behind Espana?

Jordan 04
Any meaning behind Espana?

With erm... "Cymbal Guy" graduating, I guess it was just one more chance for him to do his thing in Lynah.

CowbellGuy

Jordan 04
Any meaning behind Espana?

With erm... "Cymbal Guy" graduating, I guess it was just one more chance for him to do his thing in Lynah.

Oh.

CowbellGuy
Bit of video from the post-game crowd-salute (and Sean Whitney eating some snow).

When does he eat the snow?

EDIT: nevermind...

Mowrey goal:



Whitney goal:




You don't get to see the GWG because I was being told to take down my Angry Gaudet picture.

BearLover

CowbellGuy
Bit of video from the post-game crowd-salute (and Sean Whitney eating some snow).

When does he eat the snow?

EDIT: nevermind...

That's nice, when I was watching at Lynah I didn't see him do that.

As an afterthought, I think I'll send this to Ken Schott, to show him who the best ECAC fans are. As well as best pep band, team, coaches, rink, ...you get the point.

At what point did the team stop inviting the fans on the ice to celebrate after making it to Placid/Albany/AC? I remember the students used to pour over the glass at the end of the game until they changed the glass around 2000. After that we came in through the zamboni doors until at least 2003. Was it a policy change because of safety concerns?

A-ron
At what point did the team stop inviting the fans on the ice to celebrate after making it to Placid/Albany/AC? I remember the students used to pour over the glass at the end of the game until they changed the glass around 2000. After that we came in through the zamboni doors until at least 2003. Was it a policy change because of safety concerns?

As I recall 1996, climbing over the glass was completely spontaneous: the whole crowd was so worked up that weekend as Cornell completely wrecked Colgate and the crowd sent their two goalies into therapy that we all stormed the glass after the buzzer without any planning. The rink staff couldn't have stopped us if they wanted to. It was craziness.

A-ron
At what point did the team stop inviting the fans on the ice to celebrate after making it to Placid/Albany/AC? I remember the students used to pour over the glass at the end of the game until they changed the glass around 2000. After that we came in through the zamboni doors until at least 2003. Was it a policy change because of safety concerns?

I think 2005-2006 was the last season.

Was it an official policy to stop allowing the students on the ice or was it never an official thing to begin with and it just happened a few years in a row? One of my favorite memories was running on the ice in 2003 and talking to all the players after the game and then singing the alma mater with fans and players intermingled.

The glass used to be lower so people could actually climb over it. The first time I saw it was in 1985, but it probably dated from the first settlements of Ithaca in the 17th century. Or maybe the Indians did it. I'm sorry, I meant the Bobcats.

When the higher glass was installed (late 90's?) that diverted the flow around to the Zamboni door. I'm disappointed to hear it's no longer done at all. Another enchantment plowed under by modernity. Weber was right. In the 70's, he was even twins.

We definitely came onto the ice in 1979 after the game against Providence. That reminds me, I am a week late this year, but "Happy Randy Wilson Day" everyone!

Trotsky
The glass used to be lower so people could actually climb over it. The first time I saw it was in 1985, but it probably dated from the first settlements of Ithaca in the 17th century. Or maybe the Indians did it. I'm sorry, I meant the Bobcats.

Not only that, but the glass used to be held by metal "ribs" that made it a lot more sturdy to vault over. With the first renovation of the ice cooling system and boards (removing the beloved "Lynah Bounce" at the zamboni door), the new-style "seamless" glass was installed. There's now nothing except a small stabilizer between the panes of glass, which gives them a lot more give and flex. This is safer for the players, but not for someone putting their entire weight on the top edge. When the seamless glass went in, they basically said "please, please, please don't go over the glass. We'll let you on the ice through the doors."

Kyle Rose
As I recall 1996, climbing over the glass was completely spontaneous: the whole crowd was so worked up that weekend as Cornell completely wrecked Colgate and the crowd sent their two goalies into therapy that we all stormed the glass after the buzzer without any planning. The rink staff couldn't have stopped us if they wanted to. It was craziness.

And some of us went over twice that season. I've yet to hear of another instance of a regular season game getting a "storming the ice" treatment, but I'd say a few dozen of us found ourselves running around the ice on 11/11/95 after the first regular season win vs. Harvard since 1985. I remember hanging on the glass doing "winning team" and looking down the front row of B and seeing a few people just nodding at me, and I nodded back totally understanding that we were going over. I have to wonder what the Harvard team thought about having to see that reaction for a game in November.

Trotsky
The glass used to be lower so people could actually climb over it. The first time I saw it was in 1985, but it probably dated from the first settlements of Ithaca in the 17th century. Or maybe the Indians did it. I'm sorry, I meant the Bobcats Deer Ticks.

When the higher glass was installed (late 90's?) that diverted the flow around to the Zamboni door. I'm disappointed to hear it's no longer done at all. Another enchantment plowed under by modernity. Weber was right. In the 70's, he was even twins.

FYP or not?

It was definitely done in 2002 and 2003, but they didn't do it in 2004, but that was largely due to no hockey season that year IIRC.

Trotsky
they basically said "please, please, please don't go over the glass. We'll let you on the ice through the doors."

I do remember that announcement followed by the players then gesturing towards the fans and beckoning them towards the ice. Other than a post ECAC vistory celebration at Jillian's in Albany after an OT win vs. Hahvahd there really isn't a chance for the team to directly interact with the fans so close to the game...pretty amazing experience.

So do the players not do that anymore? It would be ashame if that stopped just because of one less-than-stellar season. I hope it's a result of some policy change or liability issue and not a gap in occurences.

A-ron

Trotsky
they basically said "please, please, please don't go over the glass. We'll let you on the ice through the doors."

I am RichH, and I approve this message.

Trotsky

A-ron

Trotsky
they basically said "please, please, please don't go over the glass. We'll let you on the ice through the doors."

I am RichH, and I approve this message.

oops

Trotsky

A-ron

Trotsky
they basically said "please, please, please don't go over the glass. We'll let you on the ice through the doors."

I am RichH, and I approve this message.

I'M Spartacus!

ooh ooh, just stumbled onto this thread. I can definitely give you the exact years here, since the ice-storming stopped while I was in school.

2005, Topher scored the GWG against Clarkson, and jumped about a meter, and we rushed the ice.

2006, Moulson scored the GWG against Clarkson (longest game in Lynah to date, beating the day before), and I got a lovely picture with him after we went in through the zamboni doors. It was his last second of game time at Lynah, fittingly scoring a goal. I still have a man-crush, if you can't tell.

Between the 04-05 and 05-06 seasons, the glass got about 2 feet higher and they took out the plastic support thingies that held them together at the top. Wouldn't be a good idea to jump it, though I do remember a couple of brave people doing so that year.

07 didn't exist, and after we DEMOLISHED Dartmouth in '08 (shoutout to Joe Grossman, who probably rather enjoyed his last collegiate series being owned by the Faithful), I believe we stayed in the stands and did the same thing they did this year.

There are two reasons the fans do not hit the ice to celebrate the ECAC quarterfinal victory any more:

1. The glass is too high so it is impossible for most to climb over safely.
2. It hasn't happened in so long that the current student body doesn't realize it is part of the tradition.

There is no reason why a new tradition can't be started: walking on the ice through the open doorways to celebrate with the team. All it takes is a handful of fans from Sections A and O to make a move. I don't ever recall that anyone in Athletics discouraged the practice [although there is probably some guy in risk management having a heart attack at the thought since they think it is inviting disaster for the minor officials to throw candy into the crowd].

dag14
There are two reasons the fans do not hit the ice to celebrate the ECAC quarterfinal victory any more:

1. The glass is too high so it is impossible for most to climb over safely.
2. It hasn't happened in so long that the current student body doesn't realize it is part of the tradition.

There is no reason why a new tradition can't be started: walking on the ice through the open doorways to celebrate with the team. All it takes is a handful of fans from Sections A and O to make a move. I don't ever recall that anyone in Athletics discouraged the practice [although there is probably some guy in risk management having a heart attack at the thought since they think it is inviting disaster for the minor officials to throw candy into the crowd].

Honestly, it should just be an institutionalized practice. If the rink staff opens the doors, the people will come onto the ice, whether they know its a tradition or not.

dag14
There are two reasons the fans do not hit the ice to celebrate the ECAC quarterfinal victory any more:

1. The glass is too high so it is impossible for most to climb over safely.
2. It hasn't happened in so long that the current student body doesn't realize it is part of the tradition.

There is no reason why a new tradition can't be started: walking on the ice through the open doorways to celebrate with the team. All it takes is a handful of fans from Sections A and O to make a move. I don't ever recall that anyone in Athletics discouraged the practice [although there is probably some guy in risk management having a heart attack at the thought since they think it is inviting disaster for the minor officials to throw candy into the crowd].

I guarantee you that there is. When I was president of Habitat for Humanity, I spent a very uncomfortable hour in Risk Management's office, because apparently my predecessor had promised that we would all wear safety goggles while building trusses on campus. The guy had saved the Daily Sun article with a photo of a volunteer sans goggles for nearly an entire year - just itching to lecture the poor sap who had to come beg to hold the event again (me).

dag14
All it takes is a handful of fans from Sections A and O to make a move. I don't ever recall that anyone in Athletics discouraged the practice [although there is probably some guy in risk management having a heart attack at the thought since they think it is inviting disaster for the minor officials to throw candy into the crowd].

The scariest expression I've ever seen on a human was when a handful of us reflexively started to go over the glass at Boston Garden after the '86 win. Never let anyone tell you an Irish cop can't freeze you in stride with one look.

This doesn't really fit anywhere and it doesn't deserve it's own thread, so I'll just stick it here. The last letter in this series of letters seems to be referring to us: [www.nytimes.com]

Steven J. Gruber
Andrew Delbanco says “the charge that elite college culture encourages smugness and self-satisfaction contains, like Mr. Santorum’s outburst, a germ of truth.” A germ?

Has he ever been to a sports event where one team is an Ivy League school and its entire student section engages in the chant “Safety school! Saaaaa-fety school!” at the opponents?

Clearly he thinks we reserve that chant for non-Ivies.

jtn27
This doesn't really fit anywhere and it doesn't deserve it's own thread, so I'll just stick it here. The last letter in this series of letters seems to be referring to us: [www.nytimes.com]

Steven J. Gruber
Andrew Delbanco says “the charge that elite college culture encourages smugness and self-satisfaction contains, like Mr. Santorum’s outburst, a germ of truth.” A germ?

Has he ever been to a sports event where one team is an Ivy League school and its entire student section engages in the chant “Safety school! Saaaaa-fety school!” at the opponents?

Clearly he thinks we reserve that chant for non-Ivies.

This is my fault, because I took Steve (who went to high school with me) to a Cornell-Clarkson game when he was visiting freshman year and said something stupid to justify the "safety school" cheer.

Trotsky

dag14
All it takes is a handful of fans from Sections A and O to make a move. I don't ever recall that anyone in Athletics discouraged the practice [although there is probably some guy in risk management having a heart attack at the thought since they think it is inviting disaster for the minor officials to throw candy into the crowd].

The scariest expression I've ever seen on a human was when a handful of us reflexively started to go over the glass at Boston Garden after the '86 win. Never let anyone tell you an Irish cop can't freeze you in stride with one look.

I remember a game at the Garden where one guy tried to either throw something over the glass or climb over the glass. Never let anyone tell you that ten Irish cops can't beat the shit out of a lone hockey fan.

jtn27
This doesn't really fit anywhere and it doesn't deserve it's own thread, so I'll just stick it here. The last letter in this series of letters seems to be referring to us: [www.nytimes.com]

Steven J. Gruber
Andrew Delbanco says “the charge that elite college culture encourages smugness and self-satisfaction contains, like Mr. Santorum’s outburst, a germ of truth.” A germ?

Has he ever been to a sports event where one team is an Ivy League school and its entire student section engages in the chant “Safety school! Saaaaa-fety school!” at the opponents?

Clearly he thinks we reserve that chant for non-Ivies.

Based on where he's from, I'd bet he's a Robert Morris fan.

jtwcornell91

jtn27
This doesn't really fit anywhere and it doesn't deserve it's own thread, so I'll just stick it here. The last letter in this series of letters seems to be referring to us: [www.nytimes.com]

Steven J. Gruber
Andrew Delbanco says “the charge that elite college culture encourages smugness and self-satisfaction contains, like Mr. Santorum’s outburst, a germ of truth.” A germ?

Has he ever been to a sports event where one team is an Ivy League school and its entire student section engages in the chant “Safety school! Saaaaa-fety school!” at the opponents?

Clearly he thinks we reserve that chant for non-Ivies.

This is my fault, because I took Steve (who went to high school with me) to a Cornell-Clarkson game when he was visiting freshman year and said something stupid to justify the "safety school" cheer.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.